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deportation thing and could you just drive us back to the border and let us cross back into mexico, you know be a brother? i didn't hesitate. he said no, it's my job. i can't do that and they take them in but what i remember about vetting counter as i remember asking their names and i remember introducing myself to them and i remember wanting to remember them because i had a connection and i wanted to hold them in my mind that i wanted that woman to be safe and for their child to be safe. a couple of hours later i went back out on patrol. i was sitting in my car and i had completely forgotten their names. i think that's the first step in dehumanization is forgetting what makes them an individual.
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>> the committee will come to order. while the national defense strategy emphasizes strategic competition with russia and china and also makes clear the department will have to maintain its focus on defeating terrorist threats to the united states. many of the conditions that allowed terrorist groups to proliferate such as uncovered spaces weak governmental institutions for security and struggling economy exists on the african continent.
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the concern is that the terrorist threat in and from africa will grow as isis is pushed out of iraq and syria. the same time africa has the fastest growing population in the world and natural resources and great potential. we are witnessing the strategic competition talk about in india taking place there too. china established his first overseas military base in africa last year just a few miles from the u.s. base for example. using it military force africom largely works by with a pure african partners to address threats on the continent. also uses dod security cooperation to develop african military partners capable of providing their own security. with this approach especially given the enormous distances and lack of infrastructure in the comment.
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general walheim said the commander of africom will give his assessment of the threats to the security and the national defense strategy affects u.s. priorities. he will also help us explore the risks risk versus the benefits of our approach to africa within the strategic context of our strategic goals. .. recommendations are being reviewed by the chiefs of staff and secretary defends mattis. in addition the families of the fallen have not yet been briefed on the result of. on the matters related to the investigation today that is with
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some purported leaks. we previously requested a copy of the investigative reports on behalf of the committee and we expect to receive it right away when it is finished. we further expect the general and his staff will be available to the committee promptly upon the request as we conduct our oversight into the issues raised by that incident i think it is an important part of our national security. it doesn't get as much attention as it should. we've certainly seen the threats emerge in the national terrorist groups popping up in various places in africa and condescending that threat is important but there are tremendous opportunities for
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partnerships are the challenges. there's a number of different aspects to that and it's important for building the relationship we need to make sure that our interests are protected in a more prosperous place. i'm interested in your testimony. testimony. i've been to east africa on a number of occasions and it is an excellent model for how we can work we've been able to deal with the situation in somalia and the threat from al qaeda.
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i'm interested in how we can replicate that better and west africa where we have a tough time fighting the partners where you have the chaos of spelling out. how do we made sure we don't have a growing problem coming out of west africa, who are the best partners otherwise i agree with the chair and statemen chat and i look forward to the statement thank you, general. >> thank you for being here today without objection the statement will be made a part of the record. thank you mr. chairman. ranking member smith, distinguished members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to update you on the efforts of the united states
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command known as ask.com. i would like to begin by remembering the soldiers and sailors we lost on the continent during the operations in the past year. we honor their dedication to duty by offering severe condolences to their families. i have completed my review of the investigation for the secretary of defense. once the secretary pleads this review i intend to provide a comprehensive and detailed account of the investigation as soon as possible. this morning i would like to talk about the strategy for the continent and then update you on the priority regional efforts. the u.s. interest in africa is reflected in the mission statement. strengthens security forces and national threats and conducts crisis response in order to
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advance u.s. national interests and promote regional security, stability and prosperity in africa. the mission statement deliberately highlights the importance of partners. in reality, very few if any of the challenges on the african continent can be resolved in the military use of force. accordingly, the first strategic tenet underscores the activities are designed to support and enable the diplomatic efforts. we can create time and space to establish effective and accountable governance while fostering for the economies to develop. the second theme describes the strategic approach by and through. for the defense forces, the credibility t divided for their own security they are also
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challenged by instability and exploitation stemming from the disruption by the violent extremist organizations. they take advantage of the spaces and recruit for the populations lacking economic opportunities. we approach these through the security principals of keeping pressure on the networks such as isis, al qaeda in order to mitigate the destabilizing influence. we remain ready to stand ready to the contingencies and protect the facilities on the continent. they are aligned in the guidance and in accordance with the recently released national defense strategy in the context of the changes in the operating
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environment we are updating our strategy in the theater campaign plan to reflect the guidance provided by the secretary of defense. turning now to the regional efforts i would like to describe some of the challenges that we face each day on the continent. in east africa, the contributions are part of the international commitment to help somalia with their architecture. it remains a threat in the region as demonstrated by the 202017 bombing. the challenges facing the government are enormous. nevertheless, they continue to slowly make progress and by doing so continue to maintain the support of the international community. with partners and organizations including the african union and european union, the connecticut
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capacity building efforts assist the federal government of somalia with their implementation of the comprehensive approach. in north africa libya remains divided ahead of the elections this year in close connection as part of the effort to support its diplomatic objectives and the political reconciliation we will continue to work to maintain pressure on the isis, lydia and al qaeda networks. it refers to the bill spanning a broad part of africa from the atlantic ocean to the red sea. the support is the multinational efforts in the western and
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nearby west africa. we provide training, advice and assistance to the countries in the multinational joint task force in order to help them contain violent extremism and secure their borders. in conclusion this morning to continued progress on the continent with the partners reflects dedicated efforts of the men and women of africa. by the trusting relationships with the agency and the international community in order to foster security on the african continent. i look forward to your questions. >> i think your statement was clear that i just want to make sure.
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you commented when the secretary signed off and they've been notified they would receive a copy of the investigation of the incident as well as the recommendations and you and your staff will be available to brief and answer any questions that we have, is that right? do you have any idea when that will be? >> once there is complete, the first order of business as we said from the outset is to brief the families information. i would like to hear you answer the question why should we care. what is it about africa and the
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national security interests that the united states has in their area of responsibility by sending the united states military men and women conducting missions and possibly even at the risk of their lives. one of the challenges are the violent extremist organizations that describe the outset. they permeate the entire continent in the various locations and at the present time if they don't have the capability to conduct operations for example in the united states but they certainly aspire to do that so one of the big things we try to do with our efforts to build capacity inside the continent is to ensure those that wish harm and the region anin the region andthe europeann the united states the art contained and can be handled in
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other words we are trying to prevent something from happening before it does it. when we talk to the partners all the tim time they get a strong desirhave a strongdesire for thd involvement so it's important we have strategic interests and the chinese have built the base outside of the gate. 52.4 billion that is one point for people on the planet.
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whether it be humanitarian or security and the scale of the potential problems is enormous. if there were outbreaks of some kind of disease, hiv continued to spread and the numbers we would talk about in the scale and scope. if you think of it as an example with a security virtually half the population is secure last week it was 6 million people ann and around 5 million people, these are members of the scale and scope that were left unchecked and we have significant challenges with large scale for the won't appear coat of time. there was great concern about a terrorist threat to the united
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states connected to in some ways somalia. are you saying that basically has gone away? >> some of the organizations have convenience with a group like al qaeda or isis and are small in number and their activities are focused that have to do with the regional problems dobut when they are supported by the financial backing and the like then you have to assume their desire for the whole country that still exists. today the question about al-shabaab you may be referring to the computer bombs and we had
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continuous pressure on the network inside of somalia for the last few months. one of the changes over the last year he is struggling to put together a strategy that a federal government would have a contributing factor to the member state so all of the efforts are tied to his strategy so i would not say that it's gone away but right now based on some of the activity that we have done in conjunction with the national partners bearing thhere inthe situation of contre territory. there was the big bombing in mogadishu and event here in the last week i of february and another bomb went off so they don't ever really go away.
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but the overall intention is to get a situation where the national security forces can hand hold that and we can then leave. i might remind all members after the conclusion of this open hearing we will become dea be cn the classified section upstairs as we have been doing with the combatant commanders. >> i want to follow up on the west africa question. obviously it's still active in fact threats was able to become tamed as we worked with our partners. you have a far more chaotic situation. could you educate us a little bit on libya and a crazy mix
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part of its terrorism and also organized crime and the human trafficking drugs and a whole lot of other things. what exactly is the threat coming out after the incident but it was there before i remember being there after 2009 when we were trying to figure out what was going on, what is the threat emanating out of the region and how are we trying to come through and it? >> there are two significant areas first northeastern nigeria don't just west africa. the second area is primarily a northern area where they consolidated into one group that
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supported it. they've joined together in the conduct of the attack in burkina faso. the peace process that was agreed upon several years ago with the federal government and various groups has not taken hold and meanwhile under the banner they have a love of freedom olot offreedom of movema particular region so there is a particular threat and then i know over the last week or so they demonstrated the ability to do these type of things.
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tto content them while we build of the partner forces to handle that specifically as a country surrounded by problems in all of its borders and in the northwestern part this is where the groups come back and forth and have the freedom of movement in these spaces. to underscore the size it's almost two times the size of texas and if you talk about the coastline it's almost 1100 miles from the border up to the northern parts of the dislike jacksonville florida to know if new york. those are the big areas. you mentioned libya and we have
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a strategic framework one of them is the counterterrorism effort we need to work to prevent the civil war in the process and to try to combat the migration issue that makes its way on many occasions to somal somalia. congratulations on your service for the command my home state is grateful to share with having been established by fre priest s from southern carolina. they've been sponsored by many in south carolina and i felt immediately at home.
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to establish the operations in africa and in order to prevent them from establishing themselves. what capability do you have to execute the information operations in africa. it's to establish operations in the area to expedite the process and also are you able to effectively coordinate with the department of state? steve and that i would say than this session the efforts primarily in the information with older at a tactical level they were at various locations
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where we take the messages to knock down or mitigate the messages that come from the organizations. to do some of the things we can talk about in the closed sessi session. the first time in history in support of the developmental efforts because at the end of the day that is the long-term solution for the continent and so we are very attuned to that. they work at the tactical level. >> i am sure that the government agencies are hopeful that the recent opening after noticed in
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the region to alter your approach to engage the establishment of the military influences? >> it is an interesting question because they are involved in nearly all over the continent from the resources and the like but interestingly it's the first base that they have built. it is a strategic location for us in the special operations command, trance, we all know that location so it's important to us. we are not naïve to think some of the things they are doing in the counterintelligence or taking place.
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this 2500 or so peacekeepers on the continent that happened to the concept. under the rubric and the framework. we are working closely with our state department to find a way that we understand the nature of the overall strategy but there are some places we can cooperate on the planet. another played back on the terrorism information.
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it really related to the national defense strategy for the great power competition of terrorism as the primary focus. perhaps that answers part of how you deal with that but what is the impact, how does that affect you and the command?
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i hone in on those paragraphs that talk about africa and on page 18 of the strategy there is a paragraph that about this that illustrates quite a productive manner. it is under this section to engage with part and making relationships in the trusting relationships that's very important and also the national defense strategy was directed to us and if i have time this morning either now or in the session i would like to spend time on defining it because it is more than just a bumper sticker. >> there is a lot of concern that due to a lack of investment in the state departmen departmee posts that matter with the kind
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of experience and background that we need we are falling short in this regard. do you have confidence that is not occurring or what should we be doing to shore that up right now because even if they are built in a few years from now. the long-term goal, that's the long-term solution. it signed a contract for $309 million which set the developmental infrastructure for healthcare and that is what we need in the case that's what they need to keep moving forward
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so we encourage that and look for the development side all the time and it's a part of what we do. it is an architecture or strategy that allows us were forces us with the military support will end up not in direct combat roles of the engagement of the operations are conducted primarily by the partner forces are support and a background role. one piece of this is off the the train, advise, assist those are things we do with our partner forces. >> i hate to interrupt, but my time is running out. how do we measure the success of that? >> this is a difficult question and i don't have the answer. one of the things they have to
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do is build institutions into the executive agencie agency lie service headquarters so that they don't just continue to train a soldier after soldier, don't know where they are and lose track of their service. you've got to hone in on the institution site and we have been forced to past few years so we have to have that aspect to be successful. we have sufficient tools. our job is to do it with a small footprint. our people understand that and it requires us to be innovative in how we do business. so we are fine in that regard. >> thank you very much. i yield back. >> you've spoke about china's work. can you speak about what russia
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might or might not be doing as well? >> ever concern at least at the moment has to do with the northern part of africa and the training and specifically referring to libya. .. >> weapon sales don't come with a lot of strings attached. that's how they make revenue from that. it's about influence and that's where our concern is. >> at the crisis in south afri
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africa, said something that you look at in terms of not necessarily solving up at the potential for unrest within a population and the impact it has on the instability of the government and to maintain law? >> that's unique about it when it was first built ten years ago. we have a very highly skilled and represented by partners. our state department and usaid people track that. we don't have direct involvement. we've had exercises and we do have military engagements with south africa. we wash then see how it might impact various aspects of our engagement. >> and the drugs coming out of west africa, can you speak about anything about drugs coming out of south asia coming into kenya
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and the impact it might have on corrupting those already fragile governments? >> my knowledge and interest primarily comes from western africa as it moves and through libya and into the european continent. perhaps even in the united states. a lot of these terrorist groups but to a large degree there involved in weapons, people, jokes and that's how they make their livelihood tap into recruit young man to give them a livelihood and a better life. there's no doubt that this drug smuggling pieces a big part of what goes on. a challenge that we have is when a group labels themselves says isis or al qaeda you have to look closely at their ties to
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historic catalan livestock rating and try to get an understanding to what they're trying to do to carry out the isis normal trying to attack the west. many problems are rooted in drug trafficking and weapons trafficking. >> mr. courtney. >> thank you for your testimony this morning. the report on the ambush is still a little bit on hold until you clear it with the families. that makes sense. i want to ask a question related to it. i don't think it goes into the specifics of that incident. i received an e-mail from somebody was serving in nature which is white people serving over there does receive imminent
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danger pay. their countries in africa like algeria, chad, egypt and kenya who currently qualify for that but folks serving and molly don't. we know enough about the incident from public hearings that it was a violent and vicious events. should our service spends who are serving qualify for idp? >> the short answer is yes. where it is dangerous several months ago my understanding that it is at omb for reconciliation. have made that request a while back. >> thank you. think members might be interested in following up to make sure they do the right thing. i want to spend a minute on china's presence which is close
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physically other any steps being taken in terms of worries about surveillance or intelligence gathering that there might be vulnerabilities given the proximity? >> you're correct, it's right next door. there has been rumors that the chinese militaries wanted to come over. there is indeed engagement periodically. individuals come to events and so there's a lot of interaction in contact there. we are taking significant steps in the counterintelligence on so we have all the defenses we need there. but one of the challenges will have are things like this, the government is probably $1.2 billion in debt to the chinese.
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at some point that money needs to be collected. they had buildings and roads but this continues to pilot the debt i what's of concern to us is a small item but the government took over the main port from a company that is in uae. they have told her country team that there is no intent to have the chinese run that port but the bottom line is they took it over because it's another way for them to gain revenue to pay back the debt. we're gonna wash that close. if in the worst-case scenario it happens in the chinese to take over and we have insurances that they won't that restricts our access in the navy's ability to
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get in there and offload supplies and the like. there are challenges with that. this is a classic example with how we have got to proceed in the careful as we move forward. >> thank you mr. chairman you have a lot of fans up here and a lot of fans in the crowd as evidenced by older marines who came to be with you. you're in germany, you own africa and the movement of transnational criminals to europe and making its way to the europe can you touch on the sumac i won't identify who those older marines are, we talked about in libya to help litigate
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the migration issue, our presence is small in numbers, were heavily involved in a counterterrorism peace and to our state department to get them into tripoli on a regular basis. this 24 embassies that these include turkey and china e.u. and the uk and i met with solomon who is the un special representative a few weeks ago and he indicated the main effort is moving to try to get these things done so, were working closely and supporter state department to help get in there
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to make a difference. one of our task is the migrant issue. we do that to a large degree indirectly. you need a functioning federal government and even then there's no . we have some partner forces that are there specifically to train their forces on the precinct of the problem. but the problem is not going to go away until there's a livelihood replaced for the money these individuals all across the chain make on the migrant issue. it's a way of life and business how many of these individuals make their money. our statistics show that a good
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majority of them will come from countries that they're able to pay to do this. whether family members will garner the money and ultimately bring more family members on. this is the heart of the problem. we deal with that indirectly with helping and assisting our partners who train the police force. this will not go away until there's a developmental side and a livelihood that will take the place of the money of the migrant problem. >> who is the number one agency work with that tries to track the bad guys that move in with the good guys to try to make a better living? is tracking that on our side? >> we work in conjunction with
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special operations that have global interests. we work with other agency partners and maybe in close sessions we can talk in more detail. >> the european authorities in german authorities push back to and that helps you operate in africa or do you have that type of back-and-forth. >> working with the germans we probably don't work in that level of detail, we have those individuals on the staff. i'd have to get back to you. i would say it's very little, if any. >> i yield back. >> i understand your comments about the report and i think we want to respect the process of investigation and the ability for those families who lost a servicemember to learn the findings of the report first.
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given the importance that africa has for the united states national security and our growing presence there there is a full hearing on what we find in that report. i hope that this committee and you will appear before us so we can have that oversight and accountability and apply that going forward. we appreciate your willingness to share that with us and also the broader public has a broader understanding of that as well. my understanding is that we are engaged there under the legal ostracism of the 2001 use of military force, having connected al shabab with the perpetrators of 9/11 attack.
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that allows us to use military force and have service members there. functionally i would argue we are at wars that an accurate reading of the situation there? >> i wouldn't characterize that were at war. one of the things that gets lost is the overall international effort there were a part of, the european union trains the uae trains there and we have a part of that as well. the second thing is our 30s come from the secretary of defense so what we do their and what our niches comes from those authorities. it's important to understand that were not there putting targets on a daily basis.
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>> were taken the lives of any combatants there under that authority, is that correct? >> what other countries under your command are we doing that in right now? >> we can do so and smalley and libya. >> a follow-up question about complementing resources with the state department diplomatic resources to complement the military presence there and also the human rights dynamic of this, there is a report this last summer about a raid that was supported by the u.s. military and three children were
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killed and you all were investigating at the pentagon was investigating that attack can you tell us about the repercussions of the and what the findings had determined and how that affected missions and what we can do on the diplomatic side to complement. >> i'm sure you're referring to the incident where immediately upon were not involved in direct combat but there were casualties there and it became unclear as it happens list every time we did can direct an inquiry and some of the issues brought up with children and women that just in happen. the facts weren't there. there are several articles on that topic and i decided kind of
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a dilemma. if you react to everyone on social media there were articles to demonstrate transparency i decided to have an investigation take place so we looked into it we don't support some of the things that were out there so let an agency take care of it. >> i feel like as we work with partner companies we became connected with their actions. >> with the dynamics of the clan since the molly and something very complex.
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that masters in thesis was on the fact that the united states does not understand the dynamics of somalia and i made that are required reading in my team. the bottom line is that clan dynamics in the social media is something very difficult for us and we have to combat it all the time because they have false information that they put out as part of their strategy. >> general, you have a very large job and i appreciate your efforts. in your written testimony you talk about increasing institutional capacity in africa. can you discuss the benefits and shortfalls and give us an example of progress you've made in this region. >> one of the cornerstones of these partnership programs is
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development at the institutional level. you have to have an executive organization that has strategy. one that takes care of -- and there's plenty of examples in the continent where this has not gone well. we train advise and assist inet we still don't have good accountability. one thing were trying to do is work at the institutional level to make sure it's there. one of the places is his success stories tunisia. we've been working close with the tunisians but the development of their intelligence service that has
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the ability to synthesize and gain information is a success story. when you look at the factors that go into that you have an educational level and a level to absorb that capacity. that's an example of something that has gone very well. >> several years ago i read an article that was new to me. was shocking and at the time it was about sedan and the reality that there is slavery going on there today. this was 20 years ago how people from the north were coming down and capturing young men and piercing their ear and they became owned by that person. is there still i believe it
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still going on, could you articulate what country is slavery going on and are we doing anything to stop this? >> i cannot say what country slavery is going on. there's fragile states, you mention sedan and the south sudan in terms of that particular challenge answer by saying all the training that we do have a human rights aspect to it. we train them on laws of four and that there's a humanitarian side to that. but which ones have slave trades ongoing i would have to get back to you.
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>> as we have worked to increase the bipartisan budget could you articulate some of the concerns you have in your command with readiness issues and what you need to address that. you feel like the increased resources we've given you will help me though shortfalls? >> the budget is something were very happy about the resources we have are good for what we have. it's always been an economy of force. we've sent time after time things with personal evacuation are things we would like to have more of. i think the general would say that they have adequate isr. we have adequate resources to do it were supposed to do.
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we need to work within those limits and be creative and coordinate that the overall budget certainly gives us what we need. we need to advocate for the assets that we have but then if we need to fill some of those that's how we will attack the problem of adequate resources. >> thank you very much. and thank you for your leadership and i want to recognize that in a few months in october you will be celebrating the ten year anniversary so congratulations. this man been asked differently on national resources two different lines of effort, i have information that shows from
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fiscal year 12 - 17 our aid tech africa usaid has been level, 7 t request the request has been cut by $3 billion. that has not been approved by congress and that is a cut essentially to two programs. one is development assistance of the others food for peace. also i noticed that from fiscal year 13 - 15 the title x security assistance which include train and equip has gone from a hundred million to closer to 600 million you had mentioned
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at the outset of your testimony that the national security interest in africa were threefold, one to five violent extremism and strike the united states and the other was to encroach by china or russia. any reference that one quarter of the global population and the needs they have. if we don't address the needs of that population those are the underlying causes the fuel that first concern you have which is the violent extremism, no job or housing tends to draw people to those activities. so given those trendlines in the request for decrease in development assistance in the increase in title x to see a
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disconnect there? does it create additional challenges for you to try to accomplish? >> in regards to the funding peace, we have to be cut cognizant of those funds. recently a month or so ago the state to mark state department stop some of the equipment coming because of their ability to account for it was not there. we said you needed to be responsible for i we will not continue to give you equipment for that. to have development you have to have a secure environment. we are cognizant and get this question a lot heavily militarized our policy on the african continent.
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but we need to build partner capacities of various countries can secure their borders from the violent extremist organizations so you do need to have security. the other hand is with the youth population over 40% of the population is under the age of 15. 60% of the population is under the age of 24. 50% of the people are 15. you can see the requirement for education and job skills and to have a livelihood is certainly a developmental issue that needs to be addressed so even if there more for dod, it's necessary.
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we also have to have development organ i can get to where you need to be. >> there are few unfilled positions at the state department, one is the ambassador to tanzania. either high at risk are very high alert is that creating more challenges for you to accomplish your mission i would support any nomination in securing ambassador ships to these countries. because it's very important. >> thank you for being here, i spent a week last year with general and went into many of the various countries over there. it's not possible to explain how vast that territory is unless
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you get to see it. from an airplane or helicopter. there are tremendous sums of territory out there seen in the past where china has attempted to purchase land in areas like this in the chinese to purchase land significance amount in africa. >> i would say the port was not the last port to build on a continent. you can look at different facilities on the eastern coast it ties into the belt row concept. to move their goods in and out. so their plan is out there and they're executing it so there will be more.
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>> one thing i remember is that they had a ship in the port and of all the things i heard from the general the thing that surprised me the most is to see hospital ship whether delivering services to citizens. there seem to be a marked change in the chinese approach to influence the country. you mention the isr and the lack thereof. it's a platform that we have spent money and development. and therefore stood not included in its budget this year because of a shift towards the national defense strategy shift towards china and russia.
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the potential loss of those platforms because of the shift towards china and russia, what impacts would that have on a continent like africa? >> we desire and advocate for access to all the intelligence capabilities. ground movement video, that's how you put a picture together. there is a piece and then the national defense strategy talks about readiness in china and russia. the specific parts of this terrorist type threat. we know when it comes time to making hard decisions we understand that. any intelligence from the various levels that i've described are helpful.
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>> stopping the procurement at this stage might actually delay the ability, we simply wont have the platform to develop the isr to you if we delay the purchase in hopes of being able to do another system in the future. any information you can give us about the links between the terrorist organizations inside the continent of africa and links to terrorists in the u.s.? >> i would say the links we say deal more directly with isis core at this point in time. >> have no further questions i look forward to seeing you in the next session.
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>> thank you for being here. he talked about you have the authority to take lives in somalia libya. do they give you authority to carry out those actions route the curren continent? >> we work for orders with the secretary of defense to do those direct action missions. i traveled with representative scott and i agree that it's very vast and big it also leads to problems of having timely qrs. if you can give some recommendations of how you improve. >> let's talk about the pr piece
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of this in terms of being able to react we talked about the size and scope of the seaboard and what we have to do is be innovative and agile. we have to move damage against troll units to where the operations are so were closely linked to that. we need to move around to be positions where they can support the ongoing operations all designed to be as quick as we can. we have to be methodical and tied to the operations. we have to make sure assets and how they think about it so were able to accommodate a faster response time. >> in regards to the operation that took place what was the nearest qr?
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>> we made it commitment to the families and we be happy to answer that later. >> there's about five to 6000 troops on the continent. >> on any given day there's about a thousand contractors. the bulk of the troops are in two places. a huge number in kenya the other places are in the west. some of the countries do not want us to make a big deal out of the numbers and i respect that. but there the west and the bulk of our people when it comes to people like you are offended aback is the size is huge for
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us. three and a half times the united states and the african continent and then you have small pockets of people in many different places so our challenge is significant. that's how we accommodate and have agreements with their partner missions to include airplane facilities so if partner forces were encouraged by the national defense strategies. we leverage what they bring as well to get at some of the issues we talked about. >> how often are you on the continent of africa. >> probably once or twice a month. >> thank you, i yield back.
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>> i like to go back for a few more questions. it's a very narrow body of water right across from yemen. reports that i have heard about the actions of last week is that they illegally seized the port and reports i've read so they did not seize it for operating by profit but actually intend to gifted to china. my first question is is it your information that the port was illegally seized? and have you heard reports that are valid that there some intent to gifted to china? >> i know that dubai port worlds is taking this to court. they will challenge the activity and monday london.
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they believe they have the inherent right to nullify the contract. with regards to the future or country team and ambassador talked with senior officials and were ensure that there is no intention to give this over to china. whether the country can run the port as i understand it for the next six months and then transition it to someone else so that's my information on it. >> suppose they did give that to china, what would that mean to the united states interest in that region? >> if the chinese took over the port the consequences could be significant if there were restrictions in our ability to use it. it's a huge place in activity there. were ships come in to refuel
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there could be some consequences. that's why it's important to watch this talking about congressman scott this is where your visits are very important and wire visibility is very important, the chinese are building facilities, they built a soccer stadium. they built the infrastructure for communication. it's a small country and it's a strategic geography situation but when you have a hospital ship serving them they see that. it enhances the chinese view and it is important that were visible and when we tell them that word their best people that we back that up. small investments in small items
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but it's an effort to let our partners know that were serious. i think were six or eight years into the lease. it's a strategic location for us so we need to keep it in that area. where do you see the united states. >> in ten years if the chinese involvement is on an upward part. if we don't go with them than a some point in time we have a very high approval rating by most places in africa. when you see visible signs, soccer stadiums and the like they know that the chinese bought that for them.
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we need to continue to do small things. small things go along way they want to know that we are trusting partners and engaged in there to assist them build capacity for their security. we might night keep pace but at least her influence of involvement will not go away. >> i just want to register my concern of the last week that things are moving perhaps faster than we may have thought. if this was an illegal seizure of that port was to save the government would not illegally terminator release before the term is up. thank you. i yield back. >> thank you.
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i need to follow up on an issue also. the south china sea looking at the expansion and we have a strategy as far as how are going to address a we see cuts potentially to usa cuts to other program in the state department, i'm just trying to understand what's her strategy over there. your latest answer was that we don't have to outdo the chinese we just need to make sure that were incremental and what we do. i don't see that at all going on in the african continent. >> we will never oust and outspend the chinese but i think
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our involvement contributions can be made a noted. one thing i mentioned about the result of the national security strategy and how were rewriting this one of the elements is the china piece. china has been on the african continent for some time. we haven't dealt with it in terms of strategic interests. were taken baby steps. we have to understand there's a global strategy. mention the south china sea that context inside africa were in the initial stages trying to get african china in the same sentence and try to make progress with them and that they're not an adversary but there are ways we can work together. were trying to move the ball down the court.
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>> we don't have to build -- in china there during that the south china sea on purpose. they're doing it to develop or capture natural resources. building infrastructure to having influence moneywise is indicated, how would the incremental approach how do we get it to the point where were competing on the same playing field with the chinese on both investment, and getting the posture of the military. >> i think these are areas that medical engagements and
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exchanges with the chinese that would be beneficial. there's a humanitarian piece to it and something were gonna try to pursue. with regards to our business aspects in terms of development and money, some of the issues the chinese don't have to deal with some of those in regards to money and the like. they go into areas where it suits them they're concerned with minerals and potential market of a consumer class they're not bound by rules they have free reign to go on these gray areas were we probably would not venture. >> i feel there is a critical need to have an overall whole of government approach strategic
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plan, i don't know if there is one yet but i would like to see one. >> thank you. general thank you for being here today. i'm concerned about our long-term counterterrorism strategy and what were doing to make sure it's sustainable. we make tactical gains in libyan somalia that we oftentimes see those rollback because we lack a larger strategy or diplomatic approach. can you provide your assessment and how to improvement make sure were building on our gains to achieve long-term approach. >> that is one of the person what were trying to do. gains to buy time for the government to take hold. it's us supporting political
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efforts in devoting significant energy and resources to assist state department that's where the activities are taken place. more meetings we realize this and when the state department and they come to us and say we want to get our security people in there to see if it is safe then we work really hard that military assets are devoted to it. that's where the political process will take over and leverage the effort that's ongoing. one thing for sure they don't agree on much but there is a
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counterterrorism piece they all agree on. >> my next question deals with how we deal with adversarial propaganda. from your perspective what is your most effective tool to counter adversarial information operation sees basis or russia. >> cap a larger level our actions go a long way to combat that. we can talk about tactical things that her actions and commitment and interface and leadership inside the countries can go a long way to counter it. that's very important. this money pulls out a look at some places where the chinese have built things in citizens
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can see these have a high rating. our ratings are not that good in other places it could be better. we need to make sure actions back up her words and use those assets in the 30s we have to get a message out there that throws back or mitigates that the terrorists are trying to do. >> so how you work with the state department which for the record i'm deeply concerned that the funding hasn't been spent in terms of our effort countering disinformation from our adversaries, are we doing enough from your perspective? >> work over always say what is
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a country team think we have a great relationship there. the former ambassador who can speak the language of his colleagues and we lies that a lot. we have good relationships on the continent and have a good relationship with our state department. i don't have anything other than that on that question. >> what role should dod play compared to the state department? >> who have authorities and capabilities that we need to correlate with the we do it all the time many of these places in africa were not talking about high-end activity, we work
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closely with our partners to try to make it happen especially where we have specific units to do that thing. >> thank you for your leadership and service to our country. my questions are similar to that with china. i read that they're spending about $60 billion in africa and most is not tractate, predatory lending weather still charging interest rates and are fully aware that they're not can it be able to repay those loans. they engaged in extraction of companies with respect her sovereignty. ra doesn't come with strings attached and we don't engage in those predatory behaviors.
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the african building was but by the chinese when you look at history in the east india company they went with commercial interests that went with imperialism and colonialism. do you believe china is engaged in a new form of colonialism? >> i believe there engaged for their self-interest. minerals and markets there are about having access to the resources and about their interests. takes into consideration 40% gdp arrangement. it's all designed to enhance the global posture down the road. one of the reasons these countries sign on to some of these loans that will come back
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there hedging their bets and don't want to put their eggs in one basket with one country. it's in their interest have flexibility and so forth. when there'd offered situations where can help a the country have a tendency to go in that regard. >> for which a recommendation be? i believe we've never had an imperialist or colonial aspiration us. we might not have a perfect policy but we don't seek to make these states for self-interest. we have a very different philosophical outlook on the world. what would you recommend our strategy be? >> you have to look at the
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strategic interests are and what that means to us in terms of engagement and resources. africa for some time has been an economy of force. one of my questions early on the issue of failed countries in the field continent and the impact it could have whether humanitarian or medical issue. today and in the future the scope and scale can be so great it could overwhelm the resources of the rest of the country. we have to stay engaged but we have to do that with an open i. >> codec other comment of my colleagues have i hope we can have a strategy in africa that
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looks not just at our interests but also that we stand up for the sovereignty of these countries and not have improper influence by trying to in the region. >> my last assignment in the air force was standing up to africon in those early days i feel personally vested in your issue succeeding. my questions are shape of my experiences there part of my responsibility is what we saw in somalia for example we would watch hundreds of thousands trainees being trained and graduated. we had a number of approved terrorists that we could hit we
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went through the whole process i weird ramp up time and again only to have to do vtc with political appointees who tell us we had no permission to execute. it's a perfect example of how not to do it all of that is fleeting. i think of one that was involved in 1998 and we talked about what they have done lately. we worked out for dozens and watch hundreds or thousands be trained by al shabab. the ron willing or unable of the
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government to do anything about it. i saw last year there are 30 strikes in somalia. when i can i kill our way out of this but you can help create the space for opportunities for stability and make sure terrorist organization down expert their terror seems like things are ramping up anything giving some greater decision-making authority. can you share something has shifted for decentralizing see you can actually go after some of these terrorists. >> we've commissioned a study of the ten years and africon to see what was envisioned in the session what i can tell you is that things have changed
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significantly from what you just described. the principal standards of procedures we have authority. we don't have to go through the process described. one thing that's very interesting to watch those have been delegated the authority to conduct the strikes of the efforts they go through to make sure noncombatants are taken care of as well as ngos. places like somalia is important that we know where they are. but we have the authorities that we need a very comfortable with how this is being done. >> has some of that shifted with the new administration? >> to be honest, we've had some
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authority that they were for particular time. there are some bounding by geography and that type of thing but to support a strategy for a federal government that were trying to assist. >> i think it's important for the american people to know the extraordinary measures they go through to make sure we had the bad guy nobody else around it. i'm also government decision-making authority it's good to hear that you have the authority you need. there's a challenge with the geography and resources. have you had any issues with the sharing of resources were did not have it when you needed it based on arrangements?
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>> it's just how we all conduct operations we stayed. we have good working relationships. if they don't have what we need will have to go back another day. that's usually not the case. >> thank you. >> it has been five months since we had a briefing and i appreciate what were saying with needing to brief the family. when is that can happen? when are we gonna have our briefing five months is a long time. and things get leaked to the
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press so when is it going to happen and when i get to come back and brief us i'm not asking for anything that is classified. i just want a general timeline. . . very detailed. the investigation now i have reviewed and signed off and provided it to the secretary of
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defense. then that's been the position from the get-go. once they are briefed we intend to bring myself, the two star to provide a detailed briefing and answer all questions. we made an animated video which is a good way to illustrate what happens. the timeline depends on getting the light. we need ticket them at certain places so there is a recess on the calendar for a couple of weeks but we are prepared once they are briefed to come here in
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the next day and briefed you all as i just described in a closed session. that is the plan. >> part of this includes the affairs of a part. they worked with those individuals and that is a part of the investigation whether or not that is in the investigation line wili will look into that bm requesting as a part of my job if there is included in the report. we will be able to clear that
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up. i want to thank you for the great support that you extended ththis special operation leaders and commanders. there was an earlier thing brought up on the state department experience i'd like to point out the ambassador was the former deputy chief and also served in ten african countries. he is hom homegrown, not a polil appointee i can think o can't tf anybody more qualified than he is and we see some of these stories. he also served in chad and mali
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which are areas that speak to the great cooperation at least my own observations of the military at the department of colleagues in the senate that have confirmed appointments faster we might be able to alleviate that and that is probably out of the scope of the committee. can you speak to the impact that the shot downs have and how they affect the forces? >> when we shut down the government were to do the least funding can you speak to the impact that has on the program and how that affects the partner forces? >> the shutdowns have been relatively few days and hours
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etc.. in these programs it's something we would like to see go faster. you made mention earlier about working with the g5 can you speak to why it is a better approach to the partnership and stability banned the un mission or sponsored partnership? >> it is a solution that we want and by the way we have bilateral engagements with those individual countries that are a part of the helps of the fact
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that it's an african solution is good but it's important i think to understand again we are talking about 5,000 people that will operate in the power someone told me twice the size of the state of minnesota so is an extremely large area but nonetheless an effort to try to solve an african problem and i'm sorry, the second part of that? >> it would be better than the un mission. >> frankly this organization has the ability to conduct offensive operations. there've been three operations thus far so they have the authority to cross into pursue the enemy and to conduct the operations as a big plus. >> i have to totally agree with regard to the statements on the vital strategic interest these
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fragile economies if they were to fail, it would have the implication that we really cannot have them. anytime we have seen an abandonment, especially places like sub-saharan africa where we work for decades, then we will see disease and famine and human suffering on a massive scale and it would be much more costly to try to prepare that coming back, so i appreciate all that effor effortbthey do on a day-to-day basis and hopefully we can
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dissuade people that want to abandon some of the efforts thank you mr. sharon in and i will yield back. >> thank you for being here. i want to echo something you were talking about on the timeline for the investigations it took about five months from the time of the incident to put out the report. i am not aware of any significant issues and the
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program that we are engaged with with walter reed project that works in these various countri countries. that is a hard sell. they try to keep the problems where they are and are very beneficial and a big part of the development piece of a.
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as a rule in the name i watch closely what they are doing in the eastern part and those of various countries, tanzania, kenya. this is tied to the one-vote one growth strategies about this but i watch. they are all over th in various countries and markets but for what i do on a daily basis i'm interested in that part of the development of the future ports and infrastructure in the eastern part of africa. >> to ask about the air support that you are receiving, while the commander of the 17th air force dedicated towards africom you merge them together and they support both now. do you feel you are receiving adequate support from the air force? >> thbut compliments for dual
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headed for the component very good relationship of close personal friend and we find ways to share the assets. there've been opportunities the past year and a half we use other aircraft that has been providehave beenprovided for ana while might complement commander who wears two hats i have to remind him he has priority and once he gets that information is no problem at the bottom line is we are getting support from the air force. >> good to hear. in the comments he talked about the democracy free enterprise. can you give those showing the most lack of promised? >> tunisia it's my understanding they are not allowed to vote is just the way it is. it's not a judgment it is just how it works.
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this week or in the near future there are going to be municipal elections and this is the first time the military will be able to vote and they will see how that works but the bottom line is i just think it's a wonderful story of how they are trying to make progress in the democracy. dude you have what you need.
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with respect to somalia, we significantly ramped up the targeting efforts.
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it is in somalia and throughout to ensure we are not just playing whack a mole in the lasting stability in the region. what assets are you working with that directly interact with the local tribes are entities in the region. >> i think that sends a very strong signa signal and backs us issue of the support for diplomacy. i think you mentioned what you're doing with regards to the kinetic activities which we have turned up the heat of the last few months which isn't to say
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that it supports the federal government strategy. he's been in power now for a year. if you look at where he came from there was no federal government for 25 years if you were 25-years-old in somalia you don't know what the federal government is supposed to do. it's to create a state along federal lines, so the ability to have influence, the ability to work with the federal states they need to see how it is helpful to them. moreover, you have to generate revenue for the tax bases and so forth, so it is important that as long as they continue to make progress and the activity is allowing that to happen, it is going to be slow there is no doubt about it. i saii've said on several occass you measure progress by the aid of aeighth of an inch modify yardsticks were rumors that is just how it goes as long as they are making progress, they will maintain the support of the international community and then the endgame of these types of
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insurgencies if you want to call it that, the endgame will be that they will need to decide for themselves with the arrangement will be at the end of the day would be a political arrangement or some kind of power-sharing arrangement. the majority of these type of events inning al shibata in this particular case usually have some type of a negotiated settlement and this is probably just a strategy to try to continue to beat al-shabaab back to the point where the defections of leadership become the order of the day and something of a negotiated settlement with the national government is probably to take place. the united nations says climate change related in the response of africa largely related to the access to the water resources.
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how it is affecting the stability's across the contine continent. they move to the grasslands for the livestock cattle. this has an issue and causes them to have problems in terms of security and disagreements in terms of who owns or can use the water rates for the livestock so in the climate change perspective, all these things when it comes to it all these things that impact the likelihood of these particular tribes or groups has a
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significant impact on secure se. >> you may have answered this but the operation which enabled the national seems as if it's moved away from larger cities, postoperation, ability to pursue. and can you speak to how the others support the effort? >> congressman come as you know it was an effort starting in august of 2016 if we conducted over 500 strikes in support of the cour quartet liberated the y for those that were loyal at the book of the fighting. after january 17 we issued a
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watch in the southern part of the country and we have significant strikes to put them in a situation where they were in a survival mode so if you look at the number of strikes it is like 40 today and we continue to monitor that. they are still there and active. biggest movthey have moved to or locations, but isis remains one of the major efforts because it is still one of the major efforts inside of libya. >> thank you, general. >> thank you mr. chairman. general, thank you very much for being here. you mentioned in the written testimony as well as in your discussion today that the poor governance instability and lack of economic opportunity and so forth provide a hotbed for the recruits that into attacking us and our allies and you mentioned earlier regarding the terrorist groups and how they are trafficking drugs and there is
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an economic benefit for them to be involved in that an and it's well for the recruiting purposes. so i guess that you would agree the economic development would be a significant factor in reducing the potential pool of recruits. >> i do, congressman. absolutely. >> okay, so how does the u.s. helped increase the capacity of the partner countries to help address that issue? >> one of the issues that is tied to this is governance and in many cases these individuals that are recruited by some of the leadership's of these organizations yesterday's livelihood issues and about a better life, yes it's about being able to make money but also there is a piece about grievances with local government or federal governments or
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perhaps with the military forces that have perhaps been working in that area so it is important than from a training perspective as we work to build partnership capacity at the battlefield ethics involved those type of things are important with that training because you don't want the military to drive the youth. we see this tongue-in-cheek but if you want the measuring stick of a partner operating in an appropriate manner if they are looking for the village of women and children that run inside and shut their doors, that's nothing. if they come and want to shake hands with the military force, that says something as well. so the bottom line is this they are absolutely true, livelihood, money, status and the like. but again, quality and accountable governance and an accountable military is part of it, to back. >> it seems to me that that is a critical issue and when you have a corrupt government and so
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forth it is a difficult hurdle to overcome and it seems to me that it's best that comes from those partnering countries rather than from us somehow trying to enhance the economic opportunity, and i don't know how you do that. but in addition to the economic outcomes, if we were able to find solutions in that regard what else can we do be it through the effort or using the whole of government approach how do the reduce apart from the economic side of things the likelihood of the violent extremist to continue to be recruited? >> one of my favorite items there is simply education. education and literacy in some of these states is very important and that is for the women as well. i mean, this is a classic example. 7.5 children per female is the birth rate inside that country and so, we know that education
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will allow females for pics able to have a better livelihood and we know that for childbearing will go down. simple education literacy rates are very important. long-term solutions i agree that this happened overnight and get the problem is increasing it seems overnight. so i would love to be able to explore further solutions not only for the long-term benefit for immediate solutions to help slow down the recruiting process. thank you very much mr. chairman and i will yield back. >> thank you general for being hergeneral for beinghere today,. we won't use djibouti for an example where china shower gifts upon the country if you when you talk about shopping malls etc., shopping is nice, but it isn't
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nice if you don't feel that you are secure and you talk about doing the little things. i guess my question there and maybe other countries around africa and the do they feel that their relationship with the u.s. is a valuable and important part of their security and is mentioned, and opportunity. is that where we are going in are those the things you were talking about that we do that would leave an impression towards the u.s. favorably? >> in my travels and discussions with senior leaders they all want u.s. involvement in u.s. leadershithisleadership and it e to be large. it doesn't have to be grand, but they want to know that they have our support. they want to have our leadership and a relationship with us. that's not to say that it means they shouldn't find other avenues. i mean they certainly will do what is in their best interest, but there are very few if any
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who would welcome u.s. engagement and leadership. part of my question would be to look at these advances from china if they look at them cautiously do they look at him suspiciously or is it just a great relationship? >> in this for him what i would say is they appreciate your frankness and our openness. they appreciate the ability to go back and forth in the transparent way. if we do what we say we are going to do and abide by certain constraints or rules, they appreciate that. i'm not sure they can say that about their chinese counterpar counterparts. i visited chad a couple of years ago, and this was a place that we have invented u.s. troops training them and i can tell you to a person they were thrilled that we were there. those types of actions is that
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still the same for wine and are we trying to build those relationships to make them more independent in their defense is? >> we are trying to make them more dependent things on their own capability. we still have a relationship, there are some we could talk about in another session. but it is a member of the g5 and we have engagement with chad and work with their groups they are part of an overall effort tied to the nexus in that region. i will say that they are very concerned about the border with libya in terms of isis and others coming through it is a big concern of theirs that the countries in that particular area are extremely poor but for example it is a country that has gotten threats on all sides, the democratic governmendemocratic d us to come to support them. we have been there in some ways
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since the 1990s and we are trying to prevent a problem from happening. they have the opportunity for example when the second term is up to have the opportunity to be the first country in africa to have a democratic transition in government and so again, we are trying to support a country and make sure that they are not taken over by violent extremist organizations who would take over those spaces and make plans to do things outside of the united states. >> i appreciate all of your efforts, it is a large continent with a lot of different nations and strategies different everywhere you turned and i appreciate you taking on the challenge. >> we will give the general five to ten minutes to stretch his legs and then we will reconvene upstairs in a classified session. for now, this public hearing is adjourned.
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of government approaches and trying to use all the tools available that the chinese and russians are doing that very well we are hurting ourselves by taking tradpicking trade fightsd economic fights with others and i don't think that's smart. >> should be used to protect against the base? >> as we said, trade isn't something that the committee can directly affect. we can try to understand the implications and i think that is what has been clear. basically we've talked about this whole of government approach is every one of them and i suspect that there will be helping.
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>> [inaudible conversations] today i'm announcing $533 million in additional humanitarian assistance to fight famine and food insecurity and address other needs resulting from conflict since amalia, south sudan, ethiopia and the
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lake chad basin. the alarming levels of hunger in these areas are largely man-made. as the conflict the conflict erd people flee their homes under these conditions people cannot produce crops and ofte often loe access altogether too can become education and healthcare. many lose everything and regrettably, mother nature can still be cruel such as in the horn of africa with a prolongede prolonged drought is contributing to grave food insecurity. these additional funds will provide emergency food, nutrition assistance and other aid including safe drinking water. thousands of tons of food and delivered health programs to help prevent the spread of deadly diseases like cholera to millions of people. this will save lives. the american people as we always have them are there to partner with african countries to ensure the most vulnerable populations
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receive life-saving assistance. we also call upon others to join us in meeting the growing humanitarian needs in africa. we hope these initial contributions will encourage others to contribute aid to increase burden sharing and meet the growing humanitarian needs in africa. however, this assistance will not solve these ongoing conflicts that will only buy us time to pursue diplomatic solutions
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