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tv   2016 Gun Violence Student Cam Interview  CSPAN  March 23, 2018 9:00am-9:32am EDT

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>> [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] .. thank you. >> in 2016 two students from marjorie stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida won honorable mention.
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documentary entitled target focused on gun violence in schools. student cam c-span annual documentary competition that encourages students to think critically about issues that affect our communities and nation. here is the documentary from daniel and rachel bean. >> quickly descend into chaos. >> 911. >> yes. >> has anybody been injured, ma'am? okay. >> the school is in the panic and i'm in the library. >> active shooting incident in the united states. >> according to active shooter study done by fbi from 2013
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there's been a grand total of 27 active shooter school related incidents. >> according to every town since 2013 there has been nearly 160 gun related incidents on school grounds averaging about one a week, parents have developed a frightening urgent or desire to pull kids from classes due to amount of gun violence that students may face, we sat down with mayor in hometown of parkland located in south florida in order to discuss protocols for active shooter incidents. >> i think that gun safety is vitally important especially around our schools because we need to promote a safe learning environment, some of the improvements that our schools made as far as single point of access to keep people out of schools that don't blopg in campus are big improvement but i think we always need to work harder to make sure that we are doing everything that we can with regard to gun safety on the
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school campuses and i think if we should have very strict policies and every law should be enforced to make sure that there are no future issues. we have in place police and public safety officers that are available through the county, through our local contract and we rely on the county for the services. >> but the issue of school safety isn't just a local concern, it's a federal one. we sat down with 21st district congressman ted deutsche to talk about the matter. >> i've been in congress for almost six years and the biggest frustration that aye had is that since the shootings in connecticut, send sandy hook that we have not been able to do anything in washington, nothing
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to -- to try to take meaningful action to help reduce the level of gun violence in this country and so we have moments of silence in congress where my colleagues also stand on the house floor, democrats and republicans together, from whatever state the latest tragedy took place in, the latest massacre took place in and ask all of us to have a moment of silence in honor of the victims and we should, but i think we are not honoring their memory unless we actually take meaningful action to pass legislation to make the communities that we live in safer. >> even though there's multiple solutions to the same problem, lack of unity will lead us nowhere. sandy hook shooting was one to have most tragic school attacks in recent years, this has to be one to have last speeches a president should give on the subject. if we do nothing, it won't be.
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>> most of those who died were young children with whole lives ahead of them and every parent in america has heart heavy with hurt. among the fall were also teachers, men and women who devoted their lives to help our children fulfill their dreams, so our hearts are broken today, we grieve for the families of those we lost and keep in our prayers those who survived because as blessed they to have their children home, they know their child's innocence has been torn away far too early. as a nation we have endured far too many tragedies in the last few years. >> although we have talk today officials on the matter, it is students and teachers who will be the ones in danger. >> gun safety is a big issue because a lot of incidents with guns have been happening recently and although they are important to have they're just not safe anymore. >> we can have a video camera in
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every classroom, we could have ankle brake -- bracelets and that would give us more safety, maybe, but what it comes down to is children intelligence. it's like dealing with any other part of bad out there that it comes down to human intelligence and people talking and, you know, when you start talking about mental health issues that students are having a hard time dealing with life, you know, whether life means what's going on at home or at school or in both places, that they have an outlet and they have a way of being able to talk to somebody and that probably would solve a lot more problems. >> it is our conclusion that the safety of students and staff during active school shooting incidents is most and important
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viable cause to be brought up in presidential campaign. [inaudible] >> unpleasant learning environment. [inaudible] >> although the past is behind us and lingers on our shoulder, future to come and ambient present. >> rachel bean was a junior in 2016 at marjorie stoneman douglas and now studying in the university of central florida. daniel, senior in 2016 attends florida university and both join us on this both, rachel, let me begin with you after listening to your documentary, again, take us back to last month when you found out about the shooting 17 killed at your former high school, what was your reaction? >> well, first of all, i didn't believe that it was real and i hate to use this cliché right
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off the back, but you never think it would happen to you and when i first found out, i thought, oh, maybe it's just, you know, somebody pulled the fire alarm, somebody made the threat because that's happened before in the past, but it wasn't until i was watching the news developments and they came out officially with this statistics that 17 people had been killed, the first thing was obviously i was completely shocked because i'm seeing my high school on the news like the parking lot where i wasn't allow ed to make left turns and it was very surreal, it was -- broke my heart, honestly, it took me a few days to even think to start thinking about the implications of what had happened just because i was so incredibly heartbroken. >> did you think back to your documentary, rachel? >> instantly.
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instantly. when i found out that there had been a shooting at my high school, i -- i thought, what a coincidence, how insane, what are the chances of making a documentary two years and then two years prior to something like this happening. i-- i thought back to the documentary but i hoped that it wouldn't have happened in the first place. >> yeah. and danny, what did you think when you heard the news? >> i was honestly in shock as well. my sister is a freshman there and my first thing when i heard the news, make sure she was okay, mainly feel angry that i couldn't be there to protect her. as the older brother that's all i wanted to keep her safe and
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knowing that this happened to her, i couldn't believe it. >> and danny, when you thought about your documentary, i mean, at the time that you were making it, why did you guys -- why did you and rachel decide to do this, did you feel fear at the time that you were making this that there could be gun violence at your school? >> well, no one thinks that it will happen to their school and no one thinks it would happen to them until it does, i thought this was an issue that needed to be addressed and at the time there wasn't much talk about it. we were looking for sources and wouldn't find much on it and we thought the word should be spread. >> rachel, what about you, was this a topic that you and your friends talked about or your parents talked about? why did you decide that with daniel that this documentary needed to be made? >> well, i think the first thing we tried to think of in general
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was an answer to the campaign, presidential campaign and i think we both kind of thought what is the biggest issue that we want our leaders, our politicians to know about that is a problem for us or could be a problem for us and the future, at the time i was reading an autobiography, yeah, a biography about the columbine high school, that's when our teacher gave us assignment, i thought, oh, wow, i have all of this information, i talked it over with danny and he agreed that it's definitely something that we were both concerned about and it was something that we were able to do as high schoolers and it's something that we were able to do in short amount of time that
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we completed our documentary. >> and daniel, when you were researching, was there something particular about marjorie stoneman douglas high school that concerned you? i know you talked to the mayor about making sure that that school was safe, but was there something particular about the school that concerned you at all or you we wanted to highlight? >> when i was a sophomore we did have a close call, a kid on social media that said along the lines that he was going to shoot up the school but for system reason he made very distinctive that anyone wearing a red shirt would be a target, the day after we had a lot of enforcement to make sure the threat was not real. it was my first thinking about this incident that if that could have happened at the school at
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the time, what can happen from it truly happening. this is something that we should bring up and let it known. >> rachel, for the documentary you spoke to your teacher eric gardner, tv teacher, some might recognize the name, he helped save students live during the february 14th shooting. in the documentary he talked about having human intelligence to prevent these types of shootings. did that exist at this school? he talked about the importance of connect to go kids in their lives inside or outside the schools, did that exist at the school? >> i would say definitely existed for a lot of the students at marjorie stoneman douglas. when i was in high school the tv production teacher eric forward ner -- gardner who you just
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talked about influenced me and helped me become the first that i am today and believed in me when i didn't believe myself. a lot of people are like that. most of the teachers are invested in the children that really care. we had a few teachers that weren't that interested in it. when we talk about human intelligence, humans, there's high levels of motivation and self-awareness and intelligence humans as a whole process the ability to learn and form concepts and understand things and comprehend ideas, so i think in this context, the human intelligence are interpreted differently than what would be the standard definition and i think in the terms of human intelligence, it would probably be something along the lines like feeling emotional connection with people and definitely a lot of that at the
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school, i mean, it wasn't like everybody had school spirit, you know, go with stoneman douglas, but there was definitely kind of unspoken, unconscious, subconscious level of connection that everybody had to each other and you'd walked down the hallways and you see the same people and even know their name, you would smile and nod because you saw each other every day and that was your way of communicating with each other and unfortunately it seems like some people felt that it just wasn't like that but personally i did see a lot of that. >> yeah. rachel, i understand you knew of nikolas cruz, what did you know of him or know him at the time when you were in school? >> so i met him when i was a sophomore in high school. he had a class with me best friend who is israel right now
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studying abroad and he got with us sometimes in the morning and he would eat lunch with us occasionally and he didn't really say that much, he seemed like a pretty lonely kid and i have a habit of going up to lonely people and inviting them to sit with me and my friend during lunch because that happened when i was a freshman in high school so i felt like i should go and invite people to do the same thing. i encountered it a few times, i believe one time we sat next to each other during a fire drill because we were just outside and i saw somebody who i knew so we just hung out and sat next to each other. he didn't really say much. he kept to himself, really. he liked my friend so my friend kayla came up to me and said, hey, you know, you should
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pretend to be my girlfriend because i told him i was gay and i want to date him and i was fake girlfriend for two dais and then he stopped hanging around with us and that was around the time that he switched schools. >> daniel, you in the video feature president obama's speech after what happened in 2013 at newton and you'd say in your video that that should a president's last speech on this topic, but it probably wouldn't be if nothing happens, do you feel though after what happened at your high school in parkland florida that, do you see change happening across the country? what do you think, daniel? >> well, first i want to say that the topic about mr. gardner. i personally want to thank you him because my sister was one of the students in his classroom that he help protect.
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i want to thank him personally. back to the topic of the president's speech, i -- hopefully now the issue can be addressed more properly and with that, it's a tough thing, really, but we just have to push through. >> rachel, what do you think about the walk-outs that are happening across the country and the march for our lives rally? >> i think it's incredible. i really do. after such a terrible, terrible event where 17 people died, i hesitate to use the word died, i would prefer to use the term murdered. this wasn't tragedy, and voidable tragedy, it wasn't fact of life and that's the scary
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part, is that people are starting to think that these mass shootings, mass murderers are fact of life and it was so incredible to see kids who i went to high school with, people who i waited in line with in the bus, people who i ate lunch with are taking something so terrible, a mass murder is essentially what it was and a massacre and turning it and using it as a way to help make sure that this will never happen again, and i feel like maybe now after everything that the politicians will listen and if the politicians aren't going to listen and they are not going to make policies that can protect our kids, then i know for a fact that the kids from my high school and everybody else who is a supporter and marchs in the march for lives will make a difference.
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it's our lives that are in danger, not somebody who is a career politician in their gilded cage who sit in a capitol building. they are concerned about protecting second amendment rights and gun, it's not the gun that is die, it's the kids that die and their kids go to public or private schools aren't the ones who are dying, it's the everyday normal people. and the way that we are being able to help and the way the march of our life is going on, it's a real unity. this is something that people want to change and people want things to change and enough is enough. that's the whole point of march for our lives, is we are not going to be taking this anymore. there's been enough of kids dying in places that are supposed to be safe.
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>> well, rachel and daniel, we thank you both for your thoughts. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you. >> c-span will be covering the march for our lives rally saturday noon -- 12:00 o'clock p.m. eastern time, go to for more details. >> the march for our lives rally against mass shootings takes place in washington, d.c. tomorrow, follow our live coverage beginning at noon eastern on c-span and you can also watch it online at or listen with the free c-span radio app. we have more coverage today on events related to gun violence, 2:00 p.m. eastern, briefing on improving school safety and ways to prevent gun violence. a student of marjorie stoneman douglas high school and members of national prevention science coalition will take place, that's live on c-span again starting at 2:00 p.m. eastern. later connecticut senator
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richard who spoke at event that we showed you joins panel for conversation a day before the march for our lives rally, live coverage of that begins at 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. this sunday on 1968 america in turmoil, the presidential election of 1968 began with eight presidential candidates, by the end the sitting president bowed up, robert kennedy was assassinated, television coverage was dominated by violent clashes between chicago police and proteststeststestorsn democratic national convention. pat buchanan, how richard nixon rose from defeat to create the new majority and codirector of oral history program at the university of virginia. watch 1968, america in turmoil
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live sunday at 8:30 a.m. eastern on c-span's washington journal and on american history tv on c-span3. >> you have the right of a presence of an attorney, do you understand that? >> that right was guarantied in the 1963 supreme court case getty -- gideon v.wainwright. here is a look at their documentary. >> i agree that this case dramatically illustrates the point that you cannot have a fair trial without counsel. ♪
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♪ >> and then clarence gideon defend yourself. >> on june 3rd, 1961 an unknown man broke into a pool hall, clarence was arrested based solely on witness account. he could not afford a lawyer and because of the law at the time a man with eighth grade education was forced to defend himself against trained prosecutor. >> so gideon was brought for his trial, he stood up and said to the judge, your honor, i don't have a lawyer, i'm too poor to hire one. the state doesn't permit it. >> he lost the trial and was sentence today five years in prison. to gideon it was unjust, he had the right to be provided an attorney. he wrote a letter appealing to
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the supreme court. >> he appealed to the supreme court. his principal argument is i have been denied constitutional rights because i didn't have a lawyer to represent me. >> initially the sixth amendment right to counsel was not right to public defender. it was a right to go and hire your own lawyer and be assured that that lawyer would be allowed to represent you in court. >> a series of supreme court cases in 1930's decided that courts had to provide a lawyer to the accused if they could not afford one. >> but in the state courts, there was no such requirement. >> in 1942 a case known betsy v. brady, the state did not have right to appointed lawyer mean if supreme court found the defendant disabled, mentally ill or illiterate. >> no man, certainly no layman can conduct a trial in his own
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defense so that the trial is a fair trial. >> and a layman, a person who is not a trained lawyer, he doesn't know how to defend himself, cross examine witnesses, how to make objections, he's helpless. >> the prosecution has on its team the entire government, they have the police and all of the resources that they put to bear in a single defendant, -- >> so by 1960's lawyers, prosecutors were ready for change. the supreme court accepted gideon's case. the state of florida was represented by a lawyer bruce jacob and addressed whether sixth amendment extended to state courts. >> it started with proption that
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the 14th amendment requires a fair trial and say that the defendant in a criminal proceeding cannot a fair trial unless he has counsel. >> on march 18th, 1963 after three months the supreme court's decision was announced. the justices ruled unanimously in favor of gideon. >> this landmark opinion held states and localities have obligation to provide counsel to indigent defendants. >> he got a retrial that turm -- time with a lawyer, he was found not guilty. 2,000 prisoners in florida were sent free. because of gidoen's case every state had to appoint lawyers. >> think about it how hard it is to be alone in that system, you're someone who has the judge
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looking at you literally from up on high, looking down at you, you've got the prosecutor in court literally pointing the finger at you, strangers and jurors are staring at you with skepticism and the public defender is the only person on your side. >> if there are changes on public defender system. >> the reality is we continue to struggle honor to right to counsel uphelding gideon. [inaudible] >> the war on drugs, rising arrest rates and mandatory minimums have caused states to become overloaded and system to collapse. >> legal representation has been undermine by crushing case loads. >> in some offices public defenders have hundreds of cases at a time and can't investigate
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them and some -- some offices lawyers are only able to spend a couple of hours per case. >> court-appointed attorneys are often not experienced, committed or competent. >> and it's very short-sided not to have a system in which every person will be adequately represented. >> basically more professionals. [inaudible] >> as a former prosecutor, i would support virtually any increase in resources that are given to criminal defendants. >> in some states public defenders are also very understaffed and underresourced. each lawyer may carry 2,225 misdemeanor cases and 700 cases in a year.
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>> counties and cities don't fund public defender offices. we need lawyers to have the resources to do their jobs in the way the constitution requires. >> our failure to uphold the sixth amendment undermines the premise that in america every american -- person has the right to trial and presume innocent before guilty. >> although there's much to be done to eliminate social bias in legal system the case has remarkable advancements and changed the way we interpret the right to counsel. ..
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[inaudible conversations]. >> committee on homeland security will come to order. the committee is meeting today to learn from the lessons learned from last year's disaster, preparedness and response and recover efforts from hurricane harvey and maria in order to


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