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case podcast or your contact subscriber. earlier this month sen. jeff flake went to manchester, new hampshire, the first in the nation presidential primary and spoke at a politics and eggs breakfast which attracted presidential candidates. he will not seek reelection this fall. the new hampshire institute of politics at the new england council hosted this event. >> to the podium, every candidate, an incredible place, incredible. we have been doing it here for 50 years.
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>> everybody, this is it. [inaudible conversations] >> to the supreme court. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]
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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> if you think it slows down. >> it is a great hike. grew up in new york. one on one.
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living rooms. >> very real face-to-face. >> we had some candidates last time, 40 or 55 doing media shots and here so my students get to know them. >> really cool. that is awesome. >> good to go? we are good to go. >> what people find refreshing is we bring together democrats, republicans from the new england region to talk about important issues that affect our economy and quality of life here in this great area of the country. the purpose of introducing our very special friend here today, i will ask the president of this prestigious college to do
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the introduction. with that, dr. salvo. [applause] >> good morning. big day, st. patrick's day eve. he has 363 green ties, wearing one of them today. if you didn't know, he's the only living person that was an eyewitness to saint patrick driving the snakes out of ireland. if you need help driving the snakes out of washington, just ask brett for help. [applause] >> welcome to the new hampshire institute followed 6, great to have everyone back here again. new hampshire has a long tradition of political and civic engagement and we are very happy to take part in that process. it is my pleasure to welcome
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united states sen. jeff flake from arizona. sen. flake was first elected to the senate in 2013 and previously served six terms and the house of representatives. sen. flake has been an advocate for limited government, responsible spending and free-trade. recently he authored conscience of a conservative, a rejection of destructive politics and return to principal which has been described by the new york times among others as a thoughtful defense of traditional conservatism. prior to entering politics sen. flake served as executive director of the goldwater institute in arizona, republican think tank. sen. flake is a dual graduate of brigham young university where he earned his bachelors and masters degree. he lives in mesa, arizona.
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sen. flake will be focusing on his continuing message of country over party. please join me welcoming united states sen. jeff flake. [applause] >> and honor to be here, and honor to be hosted by the new england council. i can't believe memorabilia around here, what it feels like to be here. my best political memories of traveling around with sen. mccain, one memorable event here, traveled close to the
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canadian border and he was going to talk about prescription drugs, importation, that was one of his issues. it was snowing, and absolute blizzard. the only ones with us were the ones that were with us on the bus. they got off and we were shivering in a light sportcoat. sen. mccain said i need cheap prescription drugs because i got pneumonia now. as we were standing there some guy rides by on a bike and it was the most surreal thing i have ever seen. anyway, we were looking for a perfect place for a quiet getaway evening or afternoon and weekend so we are glad you could join us for that quiet time but i stand before you today, the rarest of species, the american conservative.
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americana never trumpist. there is a rumor we are not only rare but in danger. i don't believe it. i will have to ask gordon humphrey or someone else what he thinks about this but seriously. when the punitive the conservative party loses its grasp on the meaning of basic terms like for instance the word conservative, that could be a sign we have taken a wrong turn somewhere. such is the conservative dilemma. hypothetically in 2018, we have a libertine, budget busting president who exudes chaos and dotes on authoritarians, replaced the state department with twitter, lives in a golden palace when he's not in the white house and he is the conservative. just for arguments sake i grew
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up bucking bronco's and castrating bulls. my wife cuts my hair because i'm too cheap to go to a barber and she says a long road to re as a party. the collapse of our principles and narrowing of our base didn't happen overnight at won't be fixed anytime soon. is a lifelong republican, the health of my party is of great
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concern to me. to have a healthy politics you need healthy parties but as important as the republican party is to me, my country is more important. it is well past time for us to put country before party. we have tried the other way for too long. we have done our worst. now it is time to do our best. as long as i can remember we had a 3 x 5 card stained with vegetable oil, cookie dough and brownie mix pasted to our refrigerator that read assume the best, look for the good. to do list, wedding invitation, school pictures, ribbons from the county fair, came and went over the years but that card remains, assume the best, look for the good. that was as close to a motto as our family on the ranch head.
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so much of this phrase indoors, it adorns the refrigerators with handwritten cards and even hangs above the doorways in stenciled would in the homes of all my parents children, all 11 of them. that is how i got elected, by the way. i'm grateful to my parents for giving me that creed, assume the best, look for the good, as a prism through which to see the world. like one of those to do lists on the fridge we have a few things we are in desperate need of reminding. if i didn't know better i would say is a political movement we have
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through, then a true leader has the confidence to have people more experienced than he tell him why it might be a terrible idea. subject area experts become involved, may be an astute lawyer who can give advice whether something you want to do adheres to the constitution. staffing happened, key people are read in, policy is made. the time it takes for a notion to tickle the cerebellum, send a signal to your fingers to pick up your phone and some type of tweet is not a comparable process. we should know there is no strategic brilliance to marvel at. we know it is chaos for its own sake projected to the world. we are told in washington to
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ignore the president's words, pay attention to what he does, not what he says, people say. those calls ignore the entirety of american history and exhort us to adopt a new norm to accommodate undignified public behavior just for this one presidents. in the sweep of our history we have never been urged to not listen to what pres. says, such admonitions are preposterous now. accommodating of a unacceptable, willfully adding deafness to our already stunning blindness gives a whole new meaning to sen. moynihan's phrase defining deviancy down. we will get through this and when we do, perhaps what will most to be remembered from this. you will be the president's war on objective reality and the reflective
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impulse to speak falsely. this is a problematic trait in business. it is a serious problem in personal relationships. as a defining character trait, absolutely devastating in an american president. if one's word is one's bond, then the bonds that bind americans to each other and to the world are truly imperiled. there is nothing that will be more vital to expunge from the american record than this frenzied attack on the truth. there are few jobs that will be more difficult than putting that course back in the barn. such is the power of the president to build or destroy. the iron he should not escape us here that someone whose name became known to us as a builder would have such pension for destruction. what does it say about conservatives that our message is now so different from the
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words my parents taught me? so different as to amount to a rejection of the optimistic vision of ronald reagan, the extraordinary decency of george hw bush, the principled, constitutionalism of barry goldwater. what does it say when you have instead succumbed to what can only be described as a propaganda fueled dystopian view of conservatism and what does it say in turn about the stewardship of america and its institutions? what it says is for getting our principles and our priorities and putting politics before party. populist resentments may feel good in the moment but indulging in them is destructive and
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self-destructive and offers no solution to resentment in the first place. manipulating populist resentments is the oldest trick in the book and it is shameful. when we allow ourselves to prioritize winning at all costs over what is best for the country, when we ignore conscience in the face of what we know is wrong, when we reduce our rich democracy to a series of purely binary calculations, we have chosen our political interest over the public interest and in so doing we inflict great harm on the country. when we excuse on our side what we attack on the other we are hypocrites. if we do this as a practice, we are corrupt. if we continually accept this conduct is elected officials, we shouldn't be elected officials. and the moral selves, and as
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such loyalty to conscience should supersede to any man or party. we should all be forgiven for failing, i put myself at the top of the list of those, i am holier than none. but too often we rush not to salvage principle but to forgive and excuse our failures and failures of our partisans, maybe deny them to accommodate and go on failing until the accommodation itself goes on principle. in that way and over time we can justify almost any behavior and sacrifice, that is where we find ourselves now. we came to a fork in the road and went the wrong way. we took the road too often traveled, finality, mendacity and political expediency. we have gone farther and faster
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down that road than anyone has before. time to take the road less traveled. it is a harder path but we will be better for its difficulty. we will get through this. when we do, we have much work to repair the damage. we have to have accounting for how we got here so we never find ourselves here again. there will have to be an american restoration. for the sake of the common good and basic human decency we have to create a new politics. this will be the obligation of all of us. those who will soon not be and those too smart to engage in politics in the first place. just as happened after great storm leaves ruin in its wake we will come together and rebuild. to shore up the foundations of
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our institutions that seems such a gail lately from that unpredictable storm in the white house. we will throw our backs into reinforcing american justice and make sure never again will the independents of the judiciary be so threatened and the tenets of justice be so abused. it is a measure of how far we have fallen the we must fight for the basic ideas of american liberty for the preservation of basic norms such as the atty. gen. is not the president's personal lawyer and the fbi director does not go the president personal loyalty but rather loyalty to the constitution, just to name two. and make clear to our allies that we are allies and never again be afraid to remind friend and foe alike that it is values that make america
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america. we will not wink at dictators or congratulate them for the good job they are doing in their programs of extrajudicial killings. nor host them in the oval office. nor will we hesitate to punish them for attacking our elections. we will be crystal clear and on ambiguous in our defense of this country for the likes of vladimir putin, there can be no passivity about the demonstrated russia threat. a mandate to come in, to break the logjam and get things done, it strains comprehension how going easy on dictators who attack us and undermining the independence of the justice system are part of the solution to breaking washington's partisan logjam. they are not part of the solution but are among bizarre
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features of an ominous -- anomalous presidency it is our duty to make sure they remain anomalous and never become thought of as normal. how anomalous is this behavior? at a pennsylvania rally days ago the president sought to quiet the crowd from blueing the mention of the north korean dictator kim jong un as he encouraged jeers for the us news media. this was the same speech in which he taunted a member of congress for having a low iq. how anomalous? referring to the media as the enemy of the people is not normal, nor is it acceptable. it is hard to say whether the president is aware of that phrase's ignoble pedigree or whether the impulse just comes naturally to him. either way dictators around the world are borrowing from the
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president's usage of the term fake news to silence legitimate criticism and opposition. of my party is going to try to pass off the degradation of the united states and our values from white house normal, if we are going to cloister ourselves in the alternative truth of an erratic leader, refused to live in a world everyone else lives in and reckoned with the daily realities they face, including the very real and understandable anxiety that they feel, then my party does not deserve to lead. we will get through this. when we do, how refreshing it will be to once again have leaders who can take criticism and not succumb to the impulse to attack the critic and the criticism. or who reflexively calls anything that doesn't suit him fake news or un-american or treasonous. how refreshing it will once again be to know where the buck
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stops. that poor buck lost out there looking for someone somewhere to take responsibility. f scott fitzgerald, the beginning of the great american novel the great gatsby, had his main character, nick caraway, after appear go of trauma and disillusionment, wanting the world to stand in moral retention forever, no longer interested in right excursions. the united states, after this rightist excursion would do well to stand at moral attention for a spell. i don't know about forever, mr. fitzgerald but i admire the ambition. but after the past couple years
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i would settle to have the world stand at moral attention for a day or two. that would be a good start. we could all stand to be chastened for our part in this. it has been a long tortured process that has gotten us here and it will take accountable leadership and good old american willpower to get us out of here, to once again put the interest of the people who elected us ahead of the prerogatives of power. it shouldn't be hard because it is so basic, but it will be hard to restore leadership that is aware of and cherishes our constitutional framework which by design is meant to force compromise. it shouldn't be hard because it is basic but it will be hard. to once again have a leader that assumes democrats and republicans are not intractable enemies but are competing friends. leadership that recognizes one seminal notion of the common good shouldn't be hard because it is so basic, but it will be hard. to swing the pendulum away from the toxicity of our current moment we must recognize the good in our opponents. these days administrations are designed to vanquish opponents
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in the axiom election have consequences has become nothing short of a threat. we must turn away from this brand of poisonous politics, the kind that has the president swinging insults like a bad comic at a cheap roast. the pendulum swings, thank goodness, the people themselves will show us the way out of here. if this sounds like a call for new politics, it is. but it is just as much a call to the old politics, the best traditions of america, true leadership and vision, lincoln's malice toward none and charity for all. we will get through this and our institutions will have been severely tested. sometimes i tell myself hopefully that the pillars of our democracy have seen worse than us and they have survived. perhaps i flatter us.
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it is the story of america that we will be better off for the hard lessons of this experience. we are much better and more decent than washington shows us to be. we are a good people, deeply resourceful and resilient and our greatness is based on know one man who alone can fix it. but rather on enduring ideas of self-governance and rule of law that have been the model of the world for centuries. the ideas that can be mocked but not marred. when i was a kid, after a good storm we would ride our horses to the highest ridge and gain the high ground to survey the damage. the thing about gaining the high ground is from up there you can see beyond, you can see everything. that is the job before us, to
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get through this and beyond. let's take the high ground again. thank you again for this opportunity to be here. [applause] >> a couple questions. federal appointees, secretary of state, cia, members of that vote, how do you think the chances of those -- >> obviously where we need to have folks in the most important positions filled,
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secretary of state is a pretty important position, so is director of the cia. there will be serious questions asked during the time. a lot of those questions from the democratic side and i hope from the republican side as well, will you stand up and be counted if the president wants to go a direction you think he shouldn't go? i don't think the president will assemble anytime soon a team of rivals like lincoln did, but i hope we have more cabinet members willing to stand up and say this is not where you want to go. them have in the past but some of them are gone now. but i do think the president's nominees will be confirmed but there will be tough questions in the meantime. >> your book, citizenship, your
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book and your comments today are called citizenship, something we're missing today. i will ask a very formal question. will you run for president? >> next?? [laughter] >> i am retiring from the senate at the end of this year. it is not my plan to run for president but i have not it out. i hope someone does run in the republican primary to challenge the president. i think the republicans want to be reminded what it means to be a traditional decent republican and what the party stands for, limited government, economic freedom, free trade, embracing immigration. these are the things that made the party what it is over the years and i think people are wanting to hear that reminder.
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i don't know who it will be. the odds that i will are low but i have not ruled it out. >> thank you, excellent speech. the question revolves around populism. populism is sweeping across western democracies which you heard from hillary clinton about the middle of the country. my question is this. how do we reconcile liberalism which is now a dirty word, free trade which is now dirty word, against many people in this country who feel left behind and don't take solace in the creative destruction of free-market. what is the conservative answer to that? >> that is an excellent question. lot of people have been left behind by modernization, automation, mechanization and will continue to be as we go along. we need to address that.
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what i don't like to see, populism is called populism for a reason. it is popular. it is far easier for a politician to point to a shuttered factory and blame a free-trade agreement or scapegoat immigrants rather than addressing the real problem which is not so much a problem as an opportunity, automation, mechanization, modernization. we need to address education and other things as well. the problem with populism is it involves particularly this strain of populism we are seeing right now, a nativist strain, involves resentment and anger. resentment and anger are not a
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governing philosophy. we are testing the limits of that now. we in the senate need 60 votes to do just about anything. the words of a president matter, not just the actions. this populist rhetoric certainly drills down on the base and get the base excited, i think a shrinking base. without appealing to a broader electorate, and a broader cross-section of congress it is tough to get things done that we can't do under rules of reconciliation where we only need republicans and we have run the gamut. now, from now on, we have to have bipartisan agreement. the problem with populism is you just can't get there. in the end it is not a governing philosophy. >> thank you for coming to new hampshire.
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speaking of roads less traveled, beams to be shored up i wonder if you could talk about updating social security so by 2034 we don't see across-the-board cuts of 25%. >> thank you. that is one of the things we have neglected and the longer we neglect it the tougher it gets. we have the simpson bowles commission and other presidential commissions and groups look at this. we know the contours of what we need to do for mandatory spending programs which we have 10,000 baby boomers retiring every day and it is putting a real strain on these programs over the long-term. with regard to social security we need right now social security age is 67. it will need to be raised even further. we are living longer. that is good news. we need to have our programs reflect that as well but we
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also need to take increases to prices rather than wages. social security is the easier fix of the mandatory programs we are dealing with. medicare is a much tougher thing to tackle. with that, the average couple over a lifetime will pay someone hundred $30,000 into medicare and draw $300,000 in benefits. with fewer workers and more retirees it is not sustainable. what we have to avoid is what you describe where we come to a point and all we do is deep cuts. if we act now, we will take measures that won't affect anybody at or near retirement age, just those who will approach it later but it needs to be done. thank you. >> sen.. roger stevenson from strata. i'm going to a town meeting,
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neighbors and i are going to vote on a budget, a dog leash law, maybe a fire engine. i'm tempted to bring up presidential authority on nuclear weapons. i would like to ask about your colleague, sen. corker, who had a hearing for the first time in 30 years on presidential authority on nuclear weapons. some groups feel national security can't be -- won't be abridged if others in the line of succession are part of that decision. have you put any thought into that to have an opinion? >> i was there for that hearing, i was glad we had it and it was comforting to hear the protocols we have in place in terms of the use of nuclear weapons.
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i'm pleased general mattis is where he is. i hope he stays. when i mentioned the concern all of us have, some of it unspoken, that some coming into the administration if there's a team of rivals, who can agree with the president more, to put yourself in a better position, that is not what we need in any area but in particular with regard to our national security. we have been in good hands with general mcmaster, with rex tillerson and general mattis advising the president. after that hearing i did come away comforted at the protocols we have in place. we need to make sure we follow the protocols. >> thank you for coming to new hampshire. a hard question, hold you
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accountable to your own family motto, live for the good. what has donald trump done well in your opinion? >> you bet. we were trying to get a solution on da ca, kids brought across-the-board and no fault of their own and left in limbo for a long time. arizona has 50,000 of them, 800,000 registered in the program and a lot more that qualify that haven't been registered. donald trump came out and said let's have a path to citizenship for 1.8 million of them, not just the 800,000 registered in the program but 1.8 million, path to citizenship. that was a big move and i applaud the president for it. it was the right move. we have to do other things with that which we haven't been able
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to agree on but i think the president did a good thing there. >> thanks for being here. you mentioned the need for bipartisan agreement, no secret the budget process is pretty broken but a bipartisan joint committee has been appointed. do you think it is likely they will put forth suggestions that can work? what do you think those suggestions should be? >> we need not just mandatory reform long-term but budget reform. we have a system that the budget act of 1974 really is not suited for this day and age, the way congress works. makes it more difficult to get bipartisan agreement. i always hope we can pass
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reforms but that 60 vote hurdle in the senate comes to get us every time we try to do process reforms. i got so frustrated at the lack of bipartisanship i teamed up with martin heinrich, a democrat from new mexico. we marooned ourselves in an island in the middle of the pacific for a week with only a machete between us to see if we could survive was the discovery channel filmed it, called it rival survival. they aired it in between episodes -- we wanted to see if we could get along and survive together. we did, we made it back, went
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on a little circuit, david letterman and a lot of shows, stephen colbert ran a clip of us trying to spearfish out there and said flake and heinrich prove once and for all republicans and democrats can get along when death is the only option. for what it is worth we proved that in. we. it needs to happen. one thing the president has been pushing for the senate to get rid of the filibuster. .. by partisan majority. the senate has been the senate for a reason, different rules than the house forcing the parties to compromise. the difficulty that we're facing in the senate right now is we've
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had this function for a while in terms of parties that being able to get together. we've had a lot of turnover in the senate over, if you have been in the senate for eight years, you have been there longer than half of the senate. it's hardly but that is the case. what that also means that you have more than half of the senate, senators who are there, and lest they served in the house, have never seen regular order, have never seen the senate function or the congress function how it used to function. the longer we go and the more people come in who haven't seen that, the more difficult it is to strike that kind of compromise you have to have. great question. >> on immigration, he played a major role several years ago, the gang of eight, four democrats, format republicans and he came up with a compromise
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on immigration, democrats and republicans. sent it to the floor and they got 68 votes. democrats, republicans. what happened when you can't do that? >> a great question. as soon as i got to the senate, 2013, i was approached by dick durbin and chuck schumer, , john mccain, lindsey graham. we formed this gang. i thought i left gang life time after the mean streets in snowflake where i grew up. it's something when you have a bipartisan group get-together, you call it again, as if it some kind of illicit activity, but that, what you mentioned, was about the last time we've seen the parties get together on a very controversial topic and work something out. and i can chili that took about seven months of negotiation, about every night in washington
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that we were in washington during that time, and then took it to the committee. and what is important and what congress used to do is if a group of bipartisan senators agreed on something, when that e bill got to committee and then onto the floor they would protect that built even if there were a lot of amendments that i really liked, but it would have imperiled the bill. so i voted against him. some of my democratic colleagues did that as well. but we couldn't get it past the house, and -- but we did give the senate 68 votes, and it's a shame that we haven't seen more examples. we are going to have to in the future. that's how legislating happens. but let me just mention along those lines and how difficult an appointment we're in right now. daca is a a portion of copperhs of reform. there was one element that the president wanted in there. he wanted us to do with the
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diversity visa lottery, about 50,000 these as we give up just by water and it outlived its usefulness. remarkably in the gang of eight bill we eliminated that. we allocated those pieces mostly toward employment-based visas. we got rid of it. it was a tough thing mostly on the democratic side, but they compromised because they had things elsewhere in the bill. the president insisted we deal with the diversity visa lottery of entering the negotiations a couple weeks ago the president made a very derogatory and offensive, you know, use derogatory and offensive language referring to some african countries from which some of the diversity visa recipients. and what the date is simply killed the negotiations, and so it's a very tough environment we're in right now. it needs to change. >> senator, thanks for being
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here. would you talk a little bit about how you seek out the other side and their opinions, people who are on the opposite side of issues, and maybe share a little bit about how people who are not in politics might be able to do the same. >> well, in terms of working with the other side, when i first got to congress i didn't think that this polemic was that strong, or shouldn't have been. i i have interned in washington earlier for a democrat. from arizona. i went to his office rather than senator mccains office simply because senator deacon said he was working on a foreign-policy issue that i wanted to work on. i was a lifelong republican, i thought that's okay. i had no idea how naïve i was,
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but i've had to expunge that from a record ever since. senator deakins is a good friend still, contributes to my campaigns and i thought nothing of it at that time. and still when i first got to congress we were talking earlier, bill delahunt, neighboring state, bill and i got together to form a working group. we thought a republican and democrat, if you want, wanted to punish the cast of others we should make them deal with spring break once or twice. [laughing] just allow americans to travel. they would wave the white flag at some point. but that was a great partnership and one of, as i recounted the other day, one experience i had early on, arguing that legislation just to tell you how far we've gone from the bipartisanship that used to happen here i was arguing to
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lift the cuban travel ban, my first real argument on house floor, i think it was 2001, and i didn't get as much support from my sight of the aisle as i did from the democratic side. one of my colleagues stood up and said the gentleman from arizona just wants to lift the travel back in cuba so can drink more he does on the beach there. the democrats who were controlling the floor demand those were to be taken down or stricken from the record. and i've never seen that since. a democrat protecting a republican like that. it was dave opie of wisconsin. dave, longtime appropriator struck more than 40 years in congress. he didn't really know me. i just got into congress. i would overturn out what said why did you do that? why did you protect a republican that way? he said flake, i know you are mormon.
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[laughing] he said i know you don't drink. i was just protecting your honor, he said. but i appreciate it. when i came to the senate, just to tell you how far we've gone afield, when tim kaine was chosen by hillary clinton as a running mate, tim and i've been working together and are still working together and getting closer to an authorization for use of military force, when it's something to replace what we did in 2001. so i worked a lot with tim and knew him well. so when he was chosen i just lately tweeted now i'm trying to count the ways i hate tim kaine. but i'm drawing a a blank. he's a good man and a good friend. congratulations. i immediately was deceased with texts and e-mails from people saying, what are you doing? you are aiding and abetting. don't say that. actually i was at an event when
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this happened, somebody came up and said if you can't say anything bad, don't -- he stopped. it was like he was forgetting the advice his mother had always given him. but that's kind of the state of our politics today, educate even say something nice about the other side or you are so aiding and abetting. anyway. >> i'm curious about what we saw two days ago with student activism on college campuses and high schools around the country, and your thoughts, we had a table of saint anselm students year. what would you say to them about taking the activism and turning it into patriotism? >> i frankly was heartened to see this case, students, high school students who are articulate and committed and media savvy, stand up and it really, really speaks well for them and for this next
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generation. i hope, and what it always tell people my age, change the channel and once in a while here whether you're watching msnbc all date day or cnn or fox, che the channel. expose yourself to different opinions. let yourself know what others are thinking. for kids, they don't watch television so did outside of your newsfeed. make sure that you expose yourself to different opinions. that's what's really dangerous about the place we're in today, we are in our own echo chambers, and all the incentives for elected officials are to become more shrill, and to drill down on the base rather than appeal to a broader electorate. we are losing that middle, and it's dangerous for the country. so to the extent that young people can help bring us back,
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as the republican i can say that i think young people have been walking away from the party for a while. i think now they are in a dead sprint, because i think they expect a more decent politics than they are seen, and they expect washington to work a little more than it is and don't understand why we can't get along. so i think that it behooves us all to take note of what's going on in parkland and elsewhere. >> a final question? i would like to have a young lady. yes, ma'am. put you on the spot. >> entire middle protection is another area that is become partisan and never used to be. -- environmental protection -- to see a path forward for the country to address climate
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change? >> gratefully, we are at a time when just natural gas replacing coal has helped us make big strides in terms of overall environmental protection, but we need to do a lot more. in arizona these days between the hours of 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. we get negatively priced electricity from california. there's so much solar being produced in california they can't use the dollar. a push into arizona during those hours and pay all utilities to take it off the grid. that's led to all kinds of opportunities that we didn't have before, that the market is helping out with, particularly as we get more utility scale storage. we've got to also, i think republicans as a party, need to be more accepting of reality. climate change is real and it is happening, and we need to respond to it.
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perhaps on the other side of the aisle there needs to be a similar recognition that we need a carbon free ace low-power, nuclear is it. that helps us. we need to compromise on some of these issues and move forward. and i do think there is a way forward. technology is showing the way and making it a lot easier for us, and things that we never thought possible, we had no idea what we are seeing in arizona just five years ago. i think the future is even brighter in that regard. thank you. >> can you name three members of the democratic side in the republican senate that you're going to miss? >> you know, a lot of them. i will say first martin heinrich, my partner on the island. he can't light a fire to save his life. [laughing] but he's a heck of an engineer and build a great shelter, and i will certainly miss him.
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tim kaine, i mentioned, we worked together on a number of these issues, and i will miss him. he's one of the brightest people i know. on the other side as well, i've had the opportunity to work with, and this is heresy among republicans, but chuck schumer on immigration issues. and so when people say that come use of these sweeping generalizations of the democrats, or they say it about us, that we are not willing to work on these issues and describe for voters to both sides, i can tell you there are good people on both sides of the aisle. and i'm not leaving the senate because i'm tired of the institution or its members. it is a wonderful institution. we have a great system of government that is resilient and
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will survive the worst of us. so i'm not leaving for that reason. i have great hope and where we will go pick on the republican side, one that i would really misses john mccain. john and i come i can't imagine a washington without john mccain. i sat with him for a couple of hours just a few weeks ago and reminisced about our time campaigning here and working in the senate. i managed in all of my time in the house, 12 years come to know have a confrontation with john mccain. he has a famous temper as we all know and hear about. i got to the senate and the very first vote i cast he came over and -- he was actually right, i was wrong but i got it. my colleagues said you had been initiated. but the very next day he was
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right there with his arm around me, and that i will miss. i will miss the, rotter he, not just from the senate but from friends that i knew in house , roderick. mike pence and i were elected to give it. we both ran think tanks, conservative think tanks during the 1990s. we knew each other than and then we were elected together. i spent a lot of time, , the 12 years in the house before he ran for governor and i ran for the senate, sitting with mike in virtually every state of the union address. one of them i remember one of the early ones without that george w. bush was proposing far too much spending for to thank conservatives would come to washington to turn it over and judgmental as both clapping slowly of one of the spending programs being announced and mike said, just because i'm clapping for doesn't mean i'm voting for it. [laughing] but we maintain the friendship
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it's a little dicey now sometimes, but we remain friends and i'll miss that, but i know those friendships will continue. >> i want to thank you for stopping by here, a quiet weekend in new hampshire, all the way from snowflake, arizona. very thoughtful remarks and obviously very well received here. but more important we want you to know that you can just pass on to your colleague, senator john mccain, who truly is a distinguished public servant and an american hero and somebody who is beloved in new hampshire, he won the gop primary here in 2000, and i think 2008, he has a history of being here for so many causes, and yet so many friends. if you could just let them know you were here in new hampshire and what people said is that he
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is on the prayer like that so many people here and i wish him so much strength that he just has, you know, the strength to battle that terrible disease that he has, that we are all within and we are grateful for his service, and our prayers are with them. [applause] >> i'll pass that along, thank you. [applause] >> [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]
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>> you said the odds are long. why are the odds? perk i've been in politics now for 18 years. maybe it's time to do something else. like i say, i haven't ruled anything out. >> center, did you today the president announced -- easy feeling nervous? >> i doubt that. i'm sure new hampshire will welcome him. i don't know. obviously there's concern among republicans about where the party is, particularly after the wake-up call the virginia governors election, that election -- around the country. we are not appealing to our broader electorate. you can have a great rally and
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have a lot of people excited. that doesn't translate to electoral success. people can only drill down so far with the base. [inaudible] >> that kind a change and talking about. the more people realize, right now this is the presidents party, republican primary voters in arizona and elsewhere are firmly with the president. by large majorities. but i do think that will change. as that changes we will see. but i do hope -- there's a lot of well-qualified candidates out there. remind republicans what needs s to be a concerted again. i do think on the democratic side all the energy seems to be on the far left of the party just like the energy right now is on the far right of the republican party.
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i'm quite certain -- [inaudible] >> there's got to be huge swath of voters in the middle who are saying we need something else. >> have you had conversations with governors, with the other senate fellow colleagues about somebody potentially challenging? [inaudible] we are still a long ways away. i focus for the next ten months honor senate work. it's nice just not having to go out and raise money. give you a lot more time. >> do you have plans to visit iowa? >> nothing scheduled. [inaudible] it's heavy in new hampshire,
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obviously. you have a lot of people are just so wired on politics. that's certainly nice to be here. >> we have a lot of republicans who are running for reelection this year. can you help them? >> if they ask. i don't think many will ask for the primary now. in the general, certainly there are a lot of republicans i would like to help. >> you said it still the president's party, republican party. he received a standing ovation for your message essentially attacking the the president. what does that tell you? >> well, i tell you, i think people are yearning to be reminded that there can be and should be decency in politics. people i think are increasingly -- [inaudible] belittles our ridicules, those on the other side, losers or
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clowns. that's not politics. that plays well in new hampshire. i hope it never does. >> did you tell senator mccain you're planning to come appear? >> no. we didn't talk about that. we we're talking about other things. i intend to visit him shortly and certainly well bring him the greetings of the people here. he is very much aware of what's going on. when i went to visit him last on he had briefing books on his lapse and he is watching the news. he's very much keeping up. >> senator flake, the president won his primary by 2-1 margin last night. what do you suggest -- is there a chance they could be some important issue to --
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[inaudible] a small number of challengers. >> there will be fewer challenges. this is still a ways off. i don't know what will develop between now and then. >> the republican you want to see challenge trump would be better off running in the gop primary versus running as an independent or third party? >> time will tell. i hope so but it was because i think republicans are yearning to hear the message, the traditional conservative message. but in the end, people may determine, somebody i'm sure, will have an independent challenger. that just doesn't mean you can't have like i said the energy in the democratic party being on the far left-right now, that may change but if it doesn't we have that and went president trump running as a republican. there is a huge swath of voters in the middle looking for something. >> regarding reports that h. r. mcmaster might be fired,
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might leave the white house, what you think the impact of that will be? >> i'm not happy to see that happen. i think he's been a stabilizing force in the white house and has i think pushed back on certain things that the president has wanted to do. i think that pushback has been needed and helpful. so i am concern that whoever replaces him won't provide the same, and that's what i'm concerned, not just with this appointment but with others as well. we need people who stand up and say hey, this isn't proper. [inaudible] >> we are hearing those, but nothing we can do about that in the congress. a lot of those white house appointments are up for senate approval but it makes it difficult in the senate to have cia director and also secretary
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of state. that just consumes a lot of time when we have a lot of other things we can do. >> your comments about the electorate seem to reflect hillary clinton's analysis of who voted for her versus who voted for trump and why. you agree with her analysis? >> i haven't studied her analysis. >> thank you. >> okay, thank you. >> thank you. >> community pan here. >> thank you. >> good luck.
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all right, thank you. >> thank you. >> sure thing. >> appreciate it. >> thank you so much again. >> you bet. >> wonderful to hear you speak today. thank you so much. >> you bet.
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>> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> would you also sign one for me and one for my professor who let me skip class to comair? >> sure. >> thank you so much. ..
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