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susan and tim and carl. deeply appreciated. voa special debt to carl. this is his 23rd panel in 36 hours. [laughter] [applause] i understand the best panel was 1 a.m. in the parking lot of the supermarket across the street from the hotel. >> those of you in your pajamas, i know who you are. [laughter] >> let me say to the panel when we run out of time here, i'd like each of you to name a book that you think would be most enlightening and helpful to anyone in the political system who ison considering a campaign for president.
last year the winning suggestion was emily post in her book courtesy. [laughter] so you can't do that this year. [laughter] i think we are in place and set to go. i would be very happy if the three of you carried this conversation by your self. i don't think that i'm in any position to add a great deal but i will jump in if i feel like we are teetering towards the edge. i guess my first question is a what would be the impact if the democrats won control of congress and there indeed was an impeachment effort? what would that look and feel like and what would the impact
be on the people of america 45% of whom in a recent poll feel that trump has come a pretty good job? why don't wee start with you and this way? >> guest: is a serious thing and we have to be aware of the fact many people don't feel that the last year has been fair. nobody has concentrated on the nation's business particularly. we've heard nothing but stories and gossip and speculation on television every day, and i fear for the country if we start the cycle of impeachment and then a kind of chaos that emerges from that. if you look at the other damaging results of the impeachment efforts in the past, this is a very, very serious
thing. s i also take this seriously, because i spend the lion's share of my career traveling to russia and the former soviet union. i can barely stand what i hear on television, becaus because ty never invite experts to come on and talk about russia. the situation is way more complicated in all of this. and some of the things that come up on television are actually not only legal but perfectly normal for people who are engaged in the international affairs. now if there was any collusion, not justt speculation, then this is a pretty serious thing. very serious indeed. but i would ask all of my colleagues in washington, i'm still'm living there, you know that old expression that washington is hollywood with
unattractive people. [laughter] let me tell you they are looking more and more unattractive all the time. [laughter] so this is serious it is a very tough place to be. i don't think we are looking at the nations problems in the right way. we don't have a strategy for everybody in this country, and in impeachment effort without these causes behind that measure would cause untold damage to the country. [applause] up until about four months ago i don't think i would have had any special insight into the minds of the a liberal base in the democratic party, but i joined as a, republican for a liberal news outlet called crooked media and the only republican that right for them and they moved about five minutes from the
border so i think i've gained a little bit of insight into the mindset of the kind of grassroots left thinks right now and let me tell you, there's going to be enormous pressure on for democratic politicians if they take over the house to pursue some type of impeachment. i think that the 2020 candidates will field enormous pressure because that is essentially what that rank-and-file democrats want from them. so in that sense, they are very important because they will have resulted in almost inevitably that impact at least to open up the pressure to do so. it's possible but i wouldn't expect that and as far as the impact we are a country that has become a deeply and measured to
a have 35 or 40% approval that's only going to have more. >> i agree with what was said and i would add this practical political observation. let's say they do take control oof the house they will do so by winning the districts and the pressure tim talked about on the left of the democratic party to be for this url to is going to require one of two things that will either result in a lot of democrats in seats that require independent republican votes to get elected, this is if nancy pelosi's district or barbara lee but this is a swing district in the midwest. it would require them to walk the plank and they would be gone after one term regardless of what happens after or it will result in the house of representatives failing to improve an impeachment resolution supported by virtually all democrats opposed
by every republican and some democrats in the democratic party will be even more stuff going into a 2020. i agree the most important thing but it will also be bad for the democrats unless there is clear and convincing evidence of these events and useful able to do this played outhisplayed out inn party in the field of impeachment of a guy that had sex with an intern in the hallway off of the oval office and then lied about it costing him his license. even got overplayed and ended up finding themselves in 2000 how do we have a candidate that stood up and said i'm going to make this an issue in the campaign and bill clinton's behavior it would have been more damaging to the party, but instead, george bush refused to talk about it at all and simply said he would restore the honor to the white house and thereby avoiding the issue. but it could have done damage to us in 200 2000 and did it a lote damage to the democrats in 2020.
>> i would like to add here that standing back and looking at these various trends and exactly the kind of thing karl was talking about it makes me feel like we are moving more and more towards a parliamentary system without any of the advantages of the parliamentary system in other words no opportunity to go to the country to reestablish credibility. the point of bein being now tody political parties are really only running races to benefit their bases. we don't have any leaders i can see coming along who have a strategy for the entire country on either side where we could actually make a choice and live with that choice for four years. i am a registered independent. this is a choice. i'm still waiting for both parties to talk to me in a way that i regret if i would love to join a party again and go back to the republican party. i am sympathetic to various elements of both parties.
but do you know 39% of the electorate in the country are independent which is a larger group than both republicans and democrats so this is a sign when 39% of the electorate chooses not to be a member of either party so i think all kinds of things it feels like it is a very fluid situation at the moment. >> i am a corporate spouse and i'm living in california. what is your sense as you suffer through berkeley what is your sense of the politics in this state and if they're ever going t bthere ever going tobe a repu? the biggest problem right now is the national republican brand which has been good obviously in many states around the country as we have a record number of
governors but it's not particularly good in california. the problem is there's not been a republican and the states that could separate themselves out from a national brand that's culturally or demographically very different from what's happening here in the state of california. i'm very pessimistic by nature about where we have to go here in our politics and a half decade or so with regards to most things. with that said, i do feel like there is for a republican at some point in the future to run essentially trumped without the s. no nationalism kind of campaign. and i think that increasingly you see a frustration and a fracturing of the democrats within the state over pocketbook issues for a gas tax hike coming up this year.
the price of housing in california is insane and so i think that if you sort of separate them out some of the things that are unappealing about the national party the problem is they woul they wouldo have the money and the resources to do so and they would have to have the public persons to be able to separate himself out. that is kind of a magic white whale to a certain degree but i do think it's possible. >> i keep reading that the republicans are going to lose texas, that the demographics are such that in the next few years texas is going to be a democratic state. i keep hearing that. this far they haven't come up with a candidate for governor in the filing deadline that has passed. i'm from texas and we are not good at math and it took me a
while to figure this out so follow me on this. texas has a higher percentage of the population than latino than the national average. texas has a higher percentage of the population is african-american than the national a average. texas has a higher percentage of the population that is asian american than the national average and thereby i conclude texas has a smaller percentage of whites than the national average and yet we are a deep red state and the reason is because republicans routinely get 40 to 45% of the latino vote, routinely. our governor became the second governor elected with 50% of the latino vote in his first election he did so by running a television ad and the ad was emblematic of what else was going on in his campaign and featured his mother-in-law saying nice things about him. latinos look at it and said wait
hiss mother-in-law is one of us, he's married to one of us. and they looked at it and said he can get his mother-in-law to say nice about him. [laughter]la when bush ran for reelection as governor in 1998 as only the second republican, since the 1872 to become governor of texas, the majority of the tickets were not white men, they were the minority. women, latinos, african-americans and asian-americans made up a majority of the ticket. as long as texas republicans keep that mindset of we are all in this together in our state speaks not just to one group or another group but m to all we wl be all right and i keep hearing this the democrats have the big thing a couple of years ago, wendy davis was their great hope they were going to demolish the republican party and anybody
know who their candidate for the senate is? anybody know who the candidate is likely to be? they don't even have a full statewide and these are the same people that say just count on it, demography is destiny. the more we get a more we are going to be a democratic state. well, we are converting those latinos and running them for office. >> i'm sorry. one more question. >> i thought you had something you wanted to throw in. what will be the major national issue in november of this year? is it going to be the impeachment or is there ape compelling national issue that could be crystallized into the primary concerns? >> guest: it's a question of
what the issue is going to be versus what it should be coming in because after all we know that the media shapes much of what the campaign is going to offer the voters. but i think the issues ought to be is how the country is going to stay solvent. i don't think there's any question that unless something happens we are going to see a ballooning of. the deficit if we see no effort as far as i can make out to actually think through a coherent strategy for our international obligations as. and i say this is really important because the goal of the discussions we have had in the past couple of days, i have heard no discussion about the billions and billions of dollars we're spending overseas and what we are getting as a result of that. and i think those are the issues that we ought to have as those are the larger issues but i
daresay that we will be down in the weeds of pocketbook issues well in advance and knowing what the results are of the new tax reform bill. >> i honestly don't even think that the major issues in the media conversation with the tax reform. i do think that smartly a lot of republican candidates will be running positive campaigns and that there is a huge distance between the public perception on what the tax reform bill does and what it actually does in its going to be much better for the pocketbooks of ordinary americans than they realize at this point but frankly the major issues in the discussion in the lead up or going to be whatever donald trump wants them to be. donald trump has outside control over what is happening in the news that h but he doesn't havee self-control to be able to stick to a specific message so for me
to sit here ino january and say in november we are going to be talking about tax reform that's silly because in october of donald trump wildonaldtrump wilg out about a senator's underwear or something to that effect and that is what people will be talking about, so i think that the feelings o of him will be te major issue at likely secondary depending on what happens the next few months and i immigration because they will either be a landmark deal on border security or there won't be and that will be the big outstanding issue in the next congress. >> i am a deficit hawk but we are not going to be talking about that this fall because president trump took that off the table in his campaign said he wasn' wasn't quick to change medicare or social security, the system in which the average two-person to couple the put in
$118,000 of medicare taxes over the course of their life and take out $320,000 worth of benefits and leave $200,000 plus on the credit card with their kids name on it so we are not going to be talking about that, what we ought to be talking about this with tim touched on, the economy. think about it last fall that immigration was in the exit polls before themi issue down ad 13% of the economy was at 52%. and also he's right about tax cuts, there's a new poll out for 20% believe they will get a tax cut inta 2018, 30% and they will not. and 50 percent don't know. and what happens when the 50% who don't know and if there's any decline who don't think they will get a tax cut is going to have a big impact whether or not the republicans of the landscape they canpu h run with it he is t or are they going to stay focused and is the president
going to stay out of theirus wa? a couple weeks ago his people made a statement that he was goinghe to campaign and spend mt of 2018 and the campaign trail for candidates and they wrote a column in response to it saying don't do it. because the best thing he can do is try to be president and focus on the people's business. when he gets in front of the crowdcrowds and to rally the self-control completely dissipates. that is when he says really weird things. and if he wants to have republican majority in the house and the senate with the committee even if they don't impeach him in the house let me tell you i served for two years in the whit white house and thee of representatives and itwo was like going to the proctologist everyday without an anesthesiologist. [laughter]n >> do you have any parallel attitude when you read the newspapers or watch t televisio? >> parallel to what?
>> not having an anesthesiologist i guess.. >> there were a lot of good things about serving the white house but one of the best things is right now the big skepticism. so, where do you get your news? >> i'm reading it in the morning i read "the new york times," the "washington post" and i'll leave off with "the wall street journal." >> i didn't realize you were such a consumer of the news media. >> exactly. >> fiction after fiction. >> the guys that used to do the white house news summary kept me on the list something like the white house news summary i read the letter for politico and the a nicerfrom accessing as only a norwegian with balance
-- o >> he has this in distant parts of the web. i got 650,000 people on my twitter feed. who are they and when are they going to get a life? [laughter] applause out or start paying. what do you read? the morning i read the new book the conservative policy newsletter. i can't watch cable anymore honestly. i don't watch one minute of it. but besides this i get the transcripts sentsc to me when cl is done so i don't have to watch it. but cable is terrible. the one show is okay and that's really it.
fox news sunday, dana perino. wanted to test the limit. [laughter] >> when i used to be on it was okay. >> [inaudible] >> do we have a psychiatrist in the house, we are going to need one. >> i'm probably the only one that leads not only "the new york times" and the "washington post," but in an array of foreign press to see how the issues are being projected in the way theyy are talking about what's going on in the country. from my perspective the biggest
is that we can govern ourselves anymore. it's a national security issue. where do you get your news? 's >> i have a set of links and certainly scan through the british papers and diabetes in d some in the middle east and also check out what they are saying in russia and elsewhere. the easiest thing first of all the idea that he has a lock on everything he certainly has a lock on the broadcast media. if you want to read overheated editorials about how putin should be kicked out of office and things like that, it's actually in english and they i have a remarkably open debate about whether clinton should oru should not be doing in this
campaign and give a lot of space to the opposition. so seeing how they are being interpreted overseas. >> later on in the morning i get a newsletter from the foundation for defense democracie the defes which have pretty good links to a lot of what you are talking about in the international press and columnists here and defend for economic news later in the morning but i see that until i've got some time at a:21 which is a great website out of new york. what's's o good is because a lof economic work like here's the question of the day your something from the left and from the right so you can get a sense of how the debate is framing. >> having worked on the newspapers for quite some time, i am just stunned by the absolute absence of fairness and
balance. it is just alarming. i find a lot of facts but they are positioned in a way to represent what the newspapers prevailing sentiment may be. do you think journalism will ever go back to where it was or is journalism now going to be a business of well-educated young people attempting to refashion the country if not the world. it's the sort of journalism that was aimed at the facts and information and explaining the events of the moment. obviously the print and then we have this briefad moment where
its relatively high. i think that there are a lot of negative things about the environment including talked about how we are all self-selecting or news and only getting news to those that come from our prior beliefs. if this is a movement towards a future where we put aside the fake he said she said of the past of the fake nonpartisanship past journalists are humans who have points of view and the idea that there is a golden age where dan rather was calling it likere he is working on cbs, that
position isn't true. journalists always have a more liberal or lead plaintiff you -- point of view. they were advancing their point of view but trying to cover it up in this kind of sense of not bias. and i think that moving more towards -- obviously there's an area for hard is where journalists have to report the fact and people acknowledge on the front isn't necessarily a bad thing. and i think that shows to your initial question about the current news environment and hostility to the president. i think that is true. obviously 100 percent didn't go through president trump. so, -- >> more than ever voted for republican for an inaugural. >> so there is a bias. he brings up the fact that he
only has himself to blame for this. he could have the moral high ground about the bias against him if he wasn't constantly advancing anything from white lies to boldface lies in facing the media to cover his kind of buffoon behavior and i think that if he was doing what i think w a lot of his advisors wh that they would do and what karl said he should do earlier focusing on the country, then there would be a war of a they complained that the press. i would say sitting in washington it looks like there's a complete and total feedback. they've never had so many they
are making money hand over fist if you look at the advertising that goes with the political commentary. my big concern about campaigns is that this kind of thing is going to continue to. we are not going to have that conversation. we will be deprived of it in the midterms because we are still in the middle of this moneymaking drama.ym >> it's going to be an interesting test of the sort of general theory that each presidential election is in some degree after eight years a reaction toer the previous. so, we have 1960 jfk, i am a young energetic guy as opposed to the senior administration.
we need a new frontier in a new generation of leadership. 1976 reaction 1972 watergate, 1976. maybe the question is going to be at the next one says he wants somebody that can govern and somebody that can unify and somebody that restores a certain sense of what we thought the presidency was about or not. maybe call me an optimist but my gut tells me the american people as i travel around i get the sense people are worn out whether they like themd or not, they are getting worn out. [applause] >> and again, we have to speak to more republicans than to democrats but i do have democratic friends and i do speech to the democratic audience there are two jewish lawyers actually.
[laughter] [laughter] but as their religious affiliation? >> the other thing is i think both republicans and democrats, their attitude is will you please get together and get something done. >> you're supposed to the idealistic. >> his resume will speak to that, but i don'til sense that e democratic party is looking for somebody to govern a.
it's not the people that come to the panels but i think that at least right now if you look at the society, the democrats are looking for what i would suspect his democrats will put up a couple of senators next time they will run the same history that we ran and there will be some sort of socialist like bernie. >> i couldn't agree with you more. this is where the they faced a problem if they nominate joe biden is a good chance if they nominate some hopeful who's part of the resistance, then that's going to give him his second chance in a row to face the one democrat he can defeat. because again i agree with you. the party has this sort of resistant causing him to the zombielike.
the you promised me you would read my column before you came here. >> on an earlier panel somebody made the point that what the democrats need is to become a the oppositions, not to become the resistance. and this is i think an excellent point. i grew up in a military family as you all know and in keeping with the tradition of the plea of entering west point, yes sir, no excuses and i don't know the answer to the question i will get itkn for you.
did anybody ever stand up and apologize for not properly preparing their organization against cyber attacks? >> no. it's always everybody else's fault. we are a global superpower. cyber capability is a capability the united states o united stata uses and capability our allies use and it turns ou out a capability thein chinese and russians use so we have to take responsibility for protecting ourselves in that environment. i have not heard anybody say i am sorry that my password was inadequate, that we depend have cyber classes for people and our institutions to if you want to know what worries me about this country and this continuing discussion that it's not going to be any good until we stand up and take responsibilitybe for
ourselves. [applause] as you scan the news for russia, what is being presented to the russian people about the collusion discussions investigations and conflict what does russia see of us lacks >> i think they are completely bewildered by what's going on. you do hear a lot about them saying we've turned into a domestic political issue which i'm sorry to say happens to be true. i've got a lot of issues with that country and leadership but the truth is russia has become organized in our political debate otherwise we should be having a completely different discussion about the behavior.
i am sure many other countries around the world try to hack its just that they were effective in getting through those barriers. we are absolutely fooling ourselves if we say that what happened to us is in any way unique to the capabilities in the world as we should have. so, we need to have a much more adult conversation about what's going one m domestically. i'm sure we will have a very exciting, short-term, tactical kind of sets of elections coming up as a person that grew up in a household always talking about these long haul i found it profoundly depressing.
>> iam a silver lining guy. i never thought in my lifetime that thesi hispanic caucus would become anti-aggression and support sanctions on the russian oligarchs and thank god there's been oneus positive thing the united states congress is completelyly unified. the senate was 96-to to install the sanctions so as an anti-communist who views putin as ast monarch communist i am delighted. >> e. is a lot of things but he's not a communist i will tell you that. >> i like thinking of him as such. i think there is no question that a unified approach by the government about this issue is absolutely appropriate.
>> the senate intelligence committee my hope is they will not simply have a report on the attempts to influence the election but they will have a concrete series of recommendations inn the fact they've conducted their investigation in a way that has not been highly partisan or polarized will give them credibility to make those suggestions and i would suspect that it becomes run out of the senate with strong numbers there is no wa way the house isn't gog to adopt the same recommendations, so my hope is that i've had a conversation with a couple of members of the committee who are vaguely implying yes we are going to do that. >> can i just say briefly here on karl's optimism i agree he's been fantastic and i'm discouraged but what i expect the president's response to be and unfortunately in the conservative media i think if
you look at the polls right now about what republican voters think, over half of them don't think that rush did this. that is deeply concerning and this threat of cyber whether it is russia or other countries it becomes a partisan football where it's not my party so i'm not going to care about what i'm going to switch sides, that is very dangerous and there's a lot of other ways that russia and china and other countries are going to be able to impact our political system if we do not take a united front on this and i think it is, incumbent to say this is serious and we need to resolve it otherwise i think we might just be in in a few years. >> i want to follow-up o followt to make my position clear. i really do support some. we need to get that information
from him as soon as possible and so any suggestion the american people deserve to know about that and i'm very much in favor of a united front. only creates a barrier between ourselves and taking responsibility for our own futures by getting educated to make sure we take measures. >> i agree we did have one set
of excuses for the behavior of the russians and our response the previous administration said we didn't want to make it a big public issue because we were afraid to get involved in the campaign and president obama spoke harshly to vladimir putin in the summer. not good enough. and he likes harshly spoken to and makes them feel good. [laughter] >> it makes him feel good. >> but when they needed to and came after us in cyberwith iran we came back at them and the message was if you mess with us there will be a price that you will pay it is higher that you have exacted from us we should have done the same with russia.
[applause] >> book recommendations? >> you probably won't be surprised to hear me suggest a strategy for the long haul five patrick doherty nickleby wrote a strategic approach for the joint chief of staff and this is the next way to think about how to shape the future. >> from my depressing contribution from today's panel with regards to 2020 amusing myself to death there will be a book on presidential decision-making march in 2019 focused on those presidential decisions trying to see if they are successful habits.