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>> up next, south carolina republicans senator tim cot and congressman trey gowdy discussion their friendship and time in congress. they're interviewed by former south carolina senator jim demint. >> thank you for joining usment senator tim scott, congressman trey gowdy, i love your book. i love your book. unified. i love the title. >> thank you. >> the best part is the picture on the cover, you two laughing at each other, tells the whole story. i want to talk about how you met and a little bit of the chaos involved when you got here. first thing i want to talk but it your campaigned. they're both notable in different ways. trey, you decided after never
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running for a legislative office before, to take on a veteran republican incumbent congressman, and tim, you jumped into a crowded field in charleston with two -- with the sons of who iconic republican political leaders, carol campbell strom thurmond. trey what made you decide to jump into a congressional race? was it's mid-life crisis? >> i wish i knew, senator. that is the best question i get, which is -- dican tell you why i left the district attorney's office. can tell you, just seeing eevil personified daily takes a toll on your life, my mother and my wife thought i needed to do something else. you know the district incredibly well because you represented it
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incredibly well for a long time in congress, and then in the u.s. senate. i've run against two incumbents in the primary. it's lonely feeling. it is an unpleasant experience, and i was naive to think that the relationship could survive the race, quite frankly. why did i do it? my mom and my wife said, if you weren't friend with the incumbent, how would you judge the performance? and would you think that maybe you could do better? and i did, and hindsight, the job is a lot harder than it appears, and i'm probably better in the executive branch than the legislative branch. >> well, i i know south carolina is proud of what you did and we can talk about that, but, tim, again, you were in the state legislature so you had a little bit of experience but not in
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washington. you jumped into a very competitive primary. >> like going into the lions den with strom thurmon's son, and carol campbell, and paul their mon and i served on county council and we had relationship and we went through a very competitive primary. i was charged, difficult, at times abrasive, but in the end, he and i have been able to maintain a healthy friendship, which is i think -- says something about south carolina and, frankly, just the chance to represent the district that in that district you saw the beginning of the civil war. and to be elected is a their congress member speaks so well of the evolution of the human heart at least in the district and i found out since then,
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throughout south carolina. we are a unique and amazing state and to represent that great state in congress and now the united states senate, following your incredibly large shoes, impossible to fill, has been an experience of a lifetime and i'm thankful to be there thankful to have been successful, but it was in no small part because of the evolution of the human heart, the southern heart, that has allowed me to serve, and one of the reasons why the unified is so importantes who guys from different parts of south carolina, one a single mother household and one an affluence household, have found common ground in this body city where mom ground is hard to find no matter what party or stripes you wear. >> one little minor part of his biography he edited out which is their first time we ever spoke or communicated.
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one time before we became freshmen together he was running for lieutenant governor in south carolina. >> that's right. >> and we were both in something called the liberty fellowship and he called and said i'm going to be at wofford college on a certain night and i'd like to move you. i was the district attorney and i'd heard his name. maybe i'll go, maybe i won't. of course i wasn't going a lieutenant governor's debate but i read the paper the next morning and tim scott was a no-show for the lieutenant governor's debate and i thoughting this guy has no chance. can't even show up for the debate. and what was the 24 hours we found out why. he was not going to run for lieutenant governor. he was running for the u.s. house of representatives. >> i won't say that not many people showed up for that lieutenant governor's debate anyway. so worked out just fine. >> you remember that? >> i do. >> invited me and didn't show up
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>> at wofford college. >> you didn't have a run off. >> ie did there war five people in the race initially, and then it was the congressman and myself in the race. >> i ended up in a runoff with paul thurmond. one reason why we debated twice for that runoff, and paul did a great job, and going into that second debate i knew i had to be on my "a" game, but coming out of a political fight, almost a war, to be able to appreciate and respect the other guy on the other side is rare in this business, and for paul to have been as gracious and preliminar complimentary, and we're -- >> very different for folks who don't know south carolina think upstate where trey and i are from, more industrial and
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manufacturing, old charleston, really great state but you both won your general elects and showed up here in washington, both kind of mr. something i going to washington. remember that feeling well. big class of republicans. 85 new folks coming in, so i know that just had to be chaotic. how did you meet and tell us about the experience, the orientation, hiring staff, learning your way around. trey, start us off. >> just the word overwhelming. i had no legislative branch experience, so i was relying upon jeff and mick and tim to help me there, and they were tremendously helpful. historically large class, but make no mistake, he was arguably the best known member of that incoming freshman class. duffy from mtv fame, but he was the elvis presley of that class, and very gracious -- didn't sing
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like elvis presley. i think you were at the president of your freshman class. >> yes. >> back home that's a big deal and i remember hem declining the opportunity to run for appreciate -- for freshman class president. he didn't run and i thought, well, that's a curious strategy decision that you would not. what better to go back home and say, i'm so popular, even though newly elected members of the house like me. but he didn't do it and took a different path so i started watching him, and then one night we had dinner down at the basement of the capitol hill club where i thought, you know what? maybe i -- it was a night i told him, you burned every bit of political capital you have. don't let anybody else spend its for you. >> great advice. i don't say that -- my theory of
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mr. something i -- mr. smith goes to washington is sin knock of deer in the headlight us. was a fish out of water. i wanted to stay in south carolina, had no desire to come to bases washington but every time i'd going on the stump to talk about issues for the lieutenant governor, western said, health care? that's washington. talk about military, brother's service? that's washington. you're running nor wrong office. we might vote for you for lieutenant governor, but you need to be a better congressional candidate, and at the time henry brown was still the seat. he is like the david that killed goliath. i looked for an open seat. >> smarter. >> i don't knowment done pretty well. i saw myself not really wanting to challenge the incumbent.
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i find myself in the race, sentence. out of nine getting in the rate, strom thurmond son and carol campbell's son in the race. when i arrived in washington i realized the strategy to get there was not enough to be successful in. one reason why i've been able to lean on trey and his old scripture, iron sharpens iron so one person does the other, the thing is found to be true but trey very quickly was that he was grounded. his philosophical disposition was not based on poll polls. it was based on experience and having someone who is so grounded and does not move maye maded easier to support him on issues. >> es the four horsemen.
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>> make kim up -- came up with it because he wanted a self-promoting moniker for himself. >> the four, i mick mull vaney, the budget director, jeff thompson, the four of you had dinner regularly. i just have a few things unlined here i want to cover with you, but trey you mentioned in early in the book that television was a very powerful force. you had 85 freshmen competing for time and you're right in here and i remember ump if you got on tv when you were a freshman issue to thought you were relevant and that's what you say in our line of work, when the world sees you on television, you have some staturement did you get on television. >> i did not. i had a choice, i could erob a local convenience store and get on television or just wait my time. i do remember we were having
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dinner one night and this speaks to his humility. the four of us, and tim just graciously excused him and said i have prior commitment and 30 minutes later we look at the television screen and he is on fox news. so he could have been on television anytime he wanted to. i actually think even to this day he declines a lot of opportunities to be better known and more visible, part of it is humility and part of is is a see dire so stay within a certain bandwidth. you or kristi, -- the two best known members of the class. >> ed had to be hard. >> there was a lot of for your be the voice face of this new tidele wave of republicans in congress and one of the best piece of advice i got was from
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trey trey gody and talking about political capital, and talk with folks back at home, don't let someone spend your political capitol before youment make sure you're responsible for your brand and for how you use your political capital, and as a guy who was probably a little more naive on party politics, that was necessary advice and i still have listened to that advice, probably turn down eight or nine out of every ten interview requests we sever because i'm not looking to be the face of the party thin good lord has given me a mission of restoring hope and creating opportunities so where i can advance the mission i want to be there, and if i'm not advancing that mission, there's not a lot of reasons for me to do tv outside of that mission, and frankly, talking about people who figured out how to get on tv, unfortunately for trey, he didn't figure it out, it followed him based on his
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assignment and, my goodness, gracious. >> we'll get to that in a second. tim, you did mention just on the lighter side, trey's signature is his wardrobe and the different appearances. it really is fun, looking back home, onwe date the long hair and then the next day it's the short hair and a beard, and so -- you comment on sockses and everything. i'm glad you can give each other a hard time. >> i wear colorful socks. i will say that trey is the only guy that shows up in congress with a dark suit and white socks and everybody is that, a new fashion trend. >> guest: e. >> no, my white socks -- black sos were dirty. >> he can impress if you with what he says, but he shocks you
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with the hair style, the tie, and those dash -- darn socks. he had one suit that is a windowpane bet the windows are light black and these large silver panes that -- >> boehner backs me -- bans me from wearing that on the floor of the house. i haven't tried that on paul yet. >> one thing it's so helpful is because so oftener -- we're like icebergs. knowing trey gowdy publicly is to know just the tip of the iceberg a lot of it has to do with the prosecutorial skills and abilities. being cross examined by trey gowdy is not a pleasant experience and we have seen that, watching him on court tv and murder trials. you see that. watching him with a bipartisan group of members, congress
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members, sitting at a table, and laughing until your stomach hurts, it hurts, is a very different experience, i want people to insured and appreciate the rest of trey gowdy by reading "unified." >> again, it really opens up both of you and that friendship together is so much found go through. but, trey, there's a page in here in the book where you talk about tim, and different places you say this guy has humility, this guy knows when to speak and when to listen and you say this guy is strategic, very complimentary thoughts of someone in congress. tell us more about tim. >> he is my favorite person in public office, and i say that privately, i say that publicly. i actually say that as somebody who doesn't want to be a judge anymore so i'm not saying it to your favor -- curry favor. he just is a really good human
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being who happens to be in politics, and i did -- i watched him -- now i have a chance to experience and not just watch it, but i can tell you this, senator, i think the day i realized there was something different about tim scott, we have all been the victims of blogs or things that were less than complimently that were written, something really not complimentary was britain about senator scott and frankly it was liablous, -- libelous and i reached the end and i marched down to his office in long budget and went right past the scheduler and said i'm going in to see him and we're going to do something about this. you cannot allow people say this and do nothing him said you're right. close the door. and i thought this is going to be good. going to hatch a plan hitch said we'll pray for it.
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i said, tim, i love you, but i ain't praying for this. he said you sit here with me while i do. and he sat there and he prayed for a critic, by name, they're not very many people who do that. >> talk about your dinners together. i know that this place -- despite what i might look like on television can be very isolating and pulls you in all different directions, looksike your busy but don't have time spend time with anyone. you two have taken time to have a regular dinnering together. just talk but about that. >> one thing try to point out in or book -- lindsey graham says that well. if you want a friend in washington, buy a dog. and so having the opportunity to break bread with someone who you admire and respect and
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appreciate they're advice and their humor, someone who can make this experience here in washington, which can be very difficult, more enjoyable, or fruitful, and frankly, harness your natural gifts and abilities by, a., helping you find out exactly who they are and, b, using them and the purpose that you believe is your mission. for me it's hope and opportunity. so, breaking bread with trey was a -- hilarious and always has been and i pray it continues to be. so he says he's going come back to washington. hear that lot. it's like, your friend say, well, stay in touch. andow see him at the next reunion oh, there he is. >> won't be 30 years, brother. >> one thing i enjoyed about having dinner with trey is when you have dinner with trey, rarely is the occasion that someone doesn't stop who is not from here and thank him for his service, and this is just a fun
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experience but also meaningful and significant to take a look into his cranial cavity about the perspective he takes on really important issues, and you'll fine very quickly that while he may be branded a partisan at times, the truth of the matter is, his primary objective is truth. if it works for you good: if it works against you here, sorry but he's going find the truth and that is understands a city who wants to win, i think, is more important sometimes than the city than finding the truth. i'm thankful to have built a great front ship with someone who is more interested in the truth than in winning. >> that's a good way to put it. what would you add to that, trey, about the dinner. >> we have gotten now where we plan the dishes first everything else island around that. initially we kind of found each other at the end of the day, neither one of is drunk,
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although i'm thinking about starting. we have similar belief structures, we like to -- i go back to my office at 9:00 so our schedules are similar but i really actually kind of miss the days it was just the two of us, nowdays people have found out, if you want to find a united states senator, go find gowdy at the table at the capitol hill club and and are you'll find tim scott. some of my best memories folks who joined us for the dines. republicans and democrats get along better than we let on sometimes, and particularly over meals when you want to find some common ground. it's been an unusual group that has joined us for dinner. it's just kind of the -- it's the thing look forward to at the end of the day no matter what
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else happens, no matter how bad the day is going, i'm going to have a dallas cowboys fan who says he pulled for both, state schools but shares the pain of being a gamecock. got on an orange tie. he's covered. >> i played a role in kind of threatening this relationship when i left the senate in 2013 and the governor called on you to fill that slot. i know when i went from the house and the senate, i told everyone there i'll be back every day and have lunch in the cloakroom but something about the little walk down the hall, it makes it real hard to get back. what does that do to the relationship -- make you want to talk but what went on when there was that vacancy in the senate and trey's name was mentioned, yours, some others, and that could have put a wedgier between
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your friendship -- a wedge between your friendship if ambition got in the way. >> it's very easy -- most congress members, for foe same amount of money you can run once instead of three time usment not an unattractive opportunity to see the responsibility and the privilege of serving the country as a united states senator versus being a member of congress. being a member of congress is a little more fun than being a united states senator. i often say i'm still house trained. i'm house broken but not senate trained. so the fact of the matter is i enjoyed my time and service in the house but when you called on the thursday morning, and said you're leaving, my first contribution -- inclination was don't, we need you. no one is going replace jim demint i. was puzzled, and for the next several days we had
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lunch or dinner several times and i'm thinking to myself, the governor is going to make a decision. i'm not sure who it should be. and this is strangest thing happened. during an interview with "new york times" about all the folks who want to be the next for. haven't heard from the governor and trey says some of the amazing thing you could hear a politician say. accomplish it is this. don't choose me. for united states congressman, 0 who has an opportunity to weigh in on the next senator, says, for god sake, whatever you do, don't choose me, trey gowdy. choose trim scott. want to see character on display, having the defer residence, -- deferens to take ourself for he running and to pick a qualified person, that's
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not only gutsy, that's character, and that in 2012, two years interest a friendship, two years into an experience together, not knowing him above 2010, to have him take himself out of the run for a seat he probably would have gotten,. >> i in the two of you perplexed "the new york times" and in your book you have the quote there from "the new york times" talking but you praying together and saying nice things about each other instead of trying to one-up each other. it was an interesting time for you. you must have had to do a lot of soul searching so decide you dance want to be a united states senator. >> i don't have many gifts but i have self-awareness and i know what i think i'm got at and what i would not be good at. tim was absolutely the best choice for the state of south carolina, and governor haley's
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decision has been veil -- validated day almost little number two her picking system cot scott was best for me. got to watch you run and show up at barbecues in towns i was not aware were in the state until -- it's exhausting. >> its. >> and you have to raise a lot of money, and i knew that shift picked someone like me or mick, there would be others that ran the information time. it was open. i'm not going clear the field. i don't think mick would have cleared the field. once you have run and contest republican primaries, now twice, i'd done it, i just didn't want to do it. i didn't like being gone representing one-sixth of the statement didn't want to be gone
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having all the responsibilities that you havement you guys are expected to be in spartanburg and greenville at the same time. it -- you have know what your strengths are and weaknesses and i would not have been a very good senator. >> i will say that i am blessed to serve in the senate. there's no question. and anyone's mind that trey would have been a fantastic senator had he desired to do it. for reasons unbeknownst to most of us he decide it wasn't in his best interests and the fact of the matteres trey has had the worst assignments in the house, he has. >> punished. >> and to find himself where he is, which is not generally an enviable position but a strong advocate for what he is called to do, which his mission is justice. he has had a passion and a clarity about that mission in a way that has inspired and
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encouraged a lot of us. one reason why that dinner table is so populated by democrats and republicans alike seeking wisdom is because he represent as fount of wisdom that we want in congress and you want the guy to stick around who doesn't want the job. >> a place in the book you say tim does all the work as a senator but you get the benefit. talk about sitting together at the state of the union. >> i gate good seat at the state of the union. i got to be somewhat charismatic with the security detail, but they're super nice, and we just have a tradition of sitting together. it's really hard for me to know when to stand and when not to stand so he is good but saying, you should stand up for tax reform. stand up. >> we take notes because we religion do a lot of the similar interviews and also a ton of fun to sit beside, but i would say even more importantly than that,
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i get some of the benefits of his job without ever having any of the responsibilities or the collateral consequences. he is so good, if it's a matter that he knows i care about. so good bit saying, tell me what you think. so i get -- i tell people back home, only thing better than bag u.s. senator is having a really good friend who is. you get to weigh in on issues you like, without having to deal with all of the other things that make the job not quite as great as it seems. ...
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said so much but our state and our friendship, and so much about what was not going to happen in charleston, or in south carolina. which was a spark around racism and the race wars starting in our state and in many ways, one of the reasons why the catalyst for writing the book for me was born that night unbee meant to to me but born that -- unbe meant to to me but that night
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-- i just dialed. hope our country as we read through the book, sees the chance to bring this poorlyized country back towards being one nation, because if in south carolina with our provocative past, if in south carolina with the last 50 years of change and transformation of the human heard. if in south carolina -- and charleston specifically -- the first place a black man turns in the midst of a racially motivated murder, is a white guy, from that state, with our amazing history, and our provocative history, there's hope for the rest of the country to be able to bridge this divide, of the american family can sit down and have a honest hard conversation about the path forward, there's hope and 2015,
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stamped, progress, in the midst of what could have been a -- an act of regression for the state. it truly is one of the greatest blessings coming out of one of the greatest atrocities was the unity and the commitment that fellow south carolinians had towards each other and the world watched, 36 hours later, as those family members looked into the eyes of a murderer and said, your life can be better. there's hope for you. we forgive you. the world took notice of what was happening in our state, and i'm hopeful that the unity that came out of south carolina is infectious for this nation. >> we're remind he all the time we're better together. >> trey, you talk about in the
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book that you were in the other part of the state, talked on the phone, and you woke up sunday morning and you wanted to do something. talk about what you did that sunday morning. >> i could live a thousand lifetimes and i won't know what it's like to be a man of color, hearing that nine people were murdered simply because they were black. i can do everything in my power to try to understand what that means, but i never been black a second in my life. so i had to go to him to get him dish really wanted to capture, frankly, some of the rage and i said, okay issue told my wife, terry, i'm going to go to cornerstone baptist. now the pastor from days of being the district attorney and i'm going to a church where they're going to question god and they're going to say, how could you possibly let this
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happen? nine people who wanted to do nothing more than learn about you and your son and you let them die. i'm going here. anger and that's what i need to hear. and i went and was befriended by a couple when i got there, and i figured they knew who i was, i was safe, white visitor going a black church, right after dylann recover, a visitor as a black church and the welcomed me with their kids and we went and sat down and then a couple of people came and spoke and finally the woman said, excuse me, but people seem to know who you are women don't know who you are, who are you? and that's when it hit me, they didn't invite me to sit with them because i was district attorney or my dad took care of their kids. i was a white visitor at a black
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church. so i think, okay, you didn't provide me they anger the rage i want, maybe the pastor with gill us a beautiful sermon about forgiveness, and unity, and it was hard to listen to. but i -- one reason we wrote the book is there's a perspective that my 20-year-old daughter would have that i can't have except in listening -- there's a perspective that people who voted for trump have that if you don't -- can't understand how anybody could vote for trump, what better way to do it than to go ask somebody who did. the same with president obama i got family members who say i have no idea how anybody could vote for president obama twice. great, ask somebody who did. that might be a way to bridge the chasm. so if we can start interacting
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with and listening to people who have that perspective that we need, that we -- that we're hungry for, i think we can have the seeds of a little more unified country. >> you talk in the book about the solutions to division. let's start with that. you have a great section on your perspectives of law enforcement. they've been in the middle of a lot of the racially charged incidents around the country and we have all worked with them a lot. your perspectives are different but both very respectful. tim, talk but how from your perspective how you sigh law enforcement, the role they play, the law school maybe they need to play -- the role maybe they need play help unite our country >> god bless every single law enforcement officer whose desire is to do their job and do it well. spoke at an flp, fraternity of the order of police at the annual ban quest and passed out gift cards and say thank you for your service.
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the vast majority, the vast majority are there to do their jobs go home to their family, and that's it. as african-american who grew up in charleston and has traveled the country, i grew up with a different experience, not every single officers there just to do their job go home. i've been stopped, as i said before, seven times in a single year, probably nine times in the year because the two time is got tickets and deserved the tickets but seven times for basically dry driving while black and it's humiliating. it is one that makes you feel less than you are. it's hard on the soul to be stopped and investigate for something that you had nothing do with, and so that colors your picture, your experiences will color your picture, and the fear
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of having an officer with his hand on his weapon, coming to my window, all the windows are down because i've been stopped enough to know, both hands on the steering wheel. that experience colors you picture and one reason we don't senate floor to talk is to say this issue is real, they're something that we must address and fix between the relationships between the law enforcement community and the community offices color. one reason i talk about it in the book that trey and i put together a working group of african-american pastors and leaders and law enforcement officers is to open the road forward dialogue, open the conversation for communication. you don't start communicating at the beginning of the conversation. that'ser pleasant i tries. takes time to get to the depth
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you're communicating. spend a. >> 18 months, bringing peopling together around south carolina so we would be prepared for the next situation if it occurred, or when it occurred. so my position is that law enforcement officers do a fantastic job, 95% of the time but the times it doesn't good well, we have to have a painful conversation, because without it, our country starts to unravel and that to me -- i say this and mean every word of it -- one of the major national security issues in this country is the discord sewn in the country that pulls at the relationship from a racial perspective, that pulls at the relationships from a cultural spiff. when that happens you'll finds that folks from other countries,
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russia specifically work meddle in the elects and use the social discord as a way of inciting division in our nation that's very, vary dangerous for the future of the great country. >> trey, you were prosecutor, worked with law enforcement all the time. saw the good and the bad and that's one thing that weighed you down. how do you see law enforcement from your perspective? >> i'm bias towards law enforcement, which is why i need to hear exactly what he just said. every time i've ever been stopped, it was because i should have been stopped. and lots of times i wasn't that also should have been. never had what he just described. but, yet i know it exists, and i need to hear it from someone that i have a relationship with, that doesn't feel like he needs to frame it a certain way. he's very blunt about his experience, and that frees up other people in the room to be equally blunt.
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i columbia -- i made the comment, law and order, that everyone should -- regardless of what color you, you want to police in a law and order community, and i remember one of the young black pastors said i want to tell you what i hear when you say that. i hear lock lock 'em up. people of good conscious. he says that's not what i hear. need to know what you hear. so, we can talk about that. the other -- tim and i talk about having a justice system that not only is respect but that is worthy of respect. and i saw lives of color and some instances devalued because of a reluctance of witnesses to help law enforcement. so there is this vicious cycle where a person of color's victimized by crime and the
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explosion at the prosecutors want to treat that the same way they would any other case, but if the witnesses do not trust law enforcement, and don't come forward and help build the case, then you are, whether design or otherwise, devaluing that life. so it is in all of our best interests to have justice system that is worthy of respect, and if that means having frank conversations about driving while black or mandatory minimums or disproportionate number of people of color going to jail for this offense and white people are going through pretrial diversion you have to eave conversation a conversation with somebody who is not mad at and somebody you dully like and respect.
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>> having that weight on my heart is nothing to compare to being the widow. i remember greg and leah in police department, murder on the job. is little lovely young lady with a little boy to take care of. she's dedicated her life of her mission mow is helping law enforcement officers appreciate and be respected differently. her foundation is fantastic. but here's a widow that i had i felt a burden to call but all you have to do is hear one word and realize the burden is not on me. the burden is on her or mr. jacobs. and greensville, south carolina, or the family of a law enforcement officer killed in
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charleston, county this last year. the reality of it is there are two sides to the coin one of the things we with try to do in unified tell the whole story. my story is not that -- that people of color are only victims in these situations. or there are widows and children growing up without fathers and sometimes mothers. because they were law enforcement offices killed in action. and trey, does a wonderful job telling the story about how the expectations of a black father was exceeded because this guy had the, not the courage. but just a wherewithal, the heart to seek the truth wherever it may be found and i would love for you to let people know as it relates to that expectation
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being exceeded because of something that you did i e hope you do that. >> i think we can make reference to is when i was a district attorney i had a man daughter murdered a beautiful young lady and her father many for the meeting as it was difficult to meet with parents of any child who has lost their life. but -- i remember he didn't take a seat he wases really clear that he did not think -- a white guy was going to value his daughters. and that's what he said. i don't think this system will value my black daughter's life. so -- i decided to handle that case myself. we went to trial. i gave the closing arguments convicted jeremy murdered miranda all and throughout the process of that -- i think he saw that there are
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people about the daughter -- >> and i have bumped into him twice and he's greeted me like a long, lost friend. that is our steep price for anyone to pay to see that someone that our justice system will be about colorblind. but prosecutors and cops have a responsibility too to make sure the all of the world do see that we're going treat these cases just as strongly as others allow us. j one with of the things you both bring out in the book i think is related to -- the character that both of you have is -- is mentors that came into your life and basically changed your life. your perspective have someone other than a family member help you develop your values and is always most thankful top people in my life who expect more of me than i do of myself and as i
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read both -- as exactly how the lord works talk about your men, trey -- >> i have the grateful privilege having an amazing mother ho as a single parent worked 16 hours a day and tried best to keep us off of welfare and to have the absolute example of work ethic in the house that there's a dignity in all work, he was a nurse's aid means that she -- cleaned the bed pen and flipped patients for sometime 16 hours three days week and i will tell you that -- my mother was notless i as pleased with me when i flunked out of high school as a freshman and -- not a good experience -- except for looking back on it. and my mom works really hard and i remember her coming into my berm saying son, i love you been praying for you but need to introduce you it a new motivation and i learned the
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value of the switch. talk about that at another time but the mentor comes along next yore and started teaching me incredible concepts that having a job is a good thing but in this country, creating jobs is a better thing. started teaching me that making an income, great. making a profit is supergreat. he started sewing seeds of entrepreneurship whether or not you working for yourself or someone else, be incorporated work for yourself and if you do so you're in charge of your future. my men or mentor a chick-fil-a mentor paved a path i like to say unfortunately he died at 38 l years old. he was very young. i knew him but for last four year of his life he dedicated a first four year was my new life
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part of reason i'm committed to unity this concept of being a bridge builder but there's a white guy chick-fil-a operator black and did not now out of house cat working next door to his chick-fil-a and son become friends of mine and slides a chick-fil-a sandwich across counter and starts a friendship that changed my paradigm changed my view of what was possible. he breathed hope into at the time a kid that needed a little direction. first in the wrong direction and he harnessed hope and he saw something in me that i could not see in myself that my mother was telling me about. but the combination that intersected at the right time and right way and i've dedicated the rest of my life making sure that i honored those two lives through hope and opportunity.
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>> it's a great story and you have one too, trey. hope we have enough time because you have a sunday school teacher that's -- that thought you had more expected more view than you did of yourself, i think. [laughter] >> i did. owned a chain, grocery store in upstate south carolina and he gave me the view. first of all i had two parents both still living they were phenomenal parents. but sometimes you'll listen to somebody else's parent more than you will your own and that's true with our children but he taught me power of positive regard it did not matter what i had done. he always said i had heard worse oh, son i've heard worse. i think a lot of times he had not heard worse he unconditional positive regard in the ability to look at life from someone else's eyes . whether that be -- men of color which i was the one of only handle of whites that
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worked in warehouse that he put me in that's why he put me there. you're a doctor's son and no idea how people live. i'm going to put you in a warehouse and you'll work along side red bunny clown and james and lester butler and jeff kelly all the names i can remember from almost 40 years ago because he made me experience life through other peoples 'eyes and lived long enough he was a democrat long enough to see a republican elected to congress before he died before swearing in and he said i want to you preach my funeral because you're a lawyer and lawyers tack a long time so -- [laughter] but this it's a great bock and at the end you talk a lot about solutions to -- to how do we unify a nation and how do we take what you two have -- as very different people brought up -- differently from different ideas.
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different parts of the state. but you talk about solutions and one of the things you talk about, tim, is the way to begin to find solutions and that's to identify common ground. >> yes. and part of that is friendships. but let's talk about that a little bit as we run out of time and see when they cut us off. >> unified one of the things i e rye to talk about is a simple formula to enter into -- relationships, trips with people who are not like yourself. and for me first step is always repore. you need to actually establish a little repore quickly and it happened seven, 30 seconds not very is long. but show interest in something in the other person and -- that will start the conversation. credibility happens next. credibility is simply finding that we have a little bit in common and if i ask you a question even if i do disagree but the credibility on a topic or on an experience, lends itself for me loaning in to
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learn a little more and then you have per hition to untay the problem. so often we rush to the problem. we need to see credibility to talk about the problem. if we do that, unlikely friendships will lead this american family in the direction of unity and we will be unified as a nation to confront challenges outside of our country because we're dealing with a challenge within our country. >> it's a great point and here washington we always talk about our differences rarely do we talk about our common ground. how do you see the solutions to where we are, trey? >> i'm telling two guys that served in the u.s. senate. y'all know this this better than i do. and i think politics is increasingly a lagging indicator. we reflect opposeed to lead, and we think we're reflecting what the voters want. so what that is true -- and the conversation needs to be had with the voter that --
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that this is a destructive path for us if we're going to focus on what divides us most americans have most of life in common. if you say what do you want out of life it's shockingly or similar. now, we have different ways about how to get there and that's fine. that's part of living a pluralistic society but we kind of skip over all of the things we have in common, and i contrast is good. i mean i'm glad we all don't it want to eat at the same restaurant and drive the same car. conflict is debilitating and it is commercially successful. but it's debilitate and just listening to other people without immediately judging what they say or trying to persuade them they're wrong, i -- maybe having a 20-year-old that doesn't agree with me on politics -- but i'll love her no matter what comes out of her mouth so spend next ten minutes listening to why she believes what she believes so we do it with with
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our family members and with our friends -- just go find someone that you're not sure you have anything in common with and try -- there's a reason that tools -- hindu from hawaii -- there's a reason that he wanted her in there had nothing to do with politics but everything more important than politics. because that's what they have in common. well reading unified was a great encouragement to me and it was americans regardless of how different we are. we have much more in common than -- than we have in differences. but we focus so much on the differences we miss the fact that -- that we do love a lot about our country. we love about each other but you too have been a great example of just getting to know each other and being friends and the hard
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times and the good times and we didn't talk a lot about your it shall role as chairman of the benghazi. but both 6 you ended up with a whole lot of -- media attention over your period here. and i can just tell you i know i speak for folks in south carolina about how proud we are of both of you, your character how you represent the state and trey, i know -- i don't know where you're going to land but i know you'll land in a place that -- makes the country better, very grateful for all you do and thank you for writing this book and i do hope that all of the folks are listen willing take the time to pied out how we can unify the nation it's a very positive hopeful -- message with a lot of opportunities on the backside, tim so -- >> thank you both. thanks for being with us today. >> yes, sir. if you would like to view other
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