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and then that began to degrade. they began to give you the trump line, but while they were giving it to you, they were -- [laughter] and it became very clear that they wanted someone else to know why they had to give this line, they didn't believe it. and then after moving even further on, it fell apart entirely and they would tell you, this is, you know, this is really a nice here. >> you can watch this and other programs online on booktv.org. >> welcome to norman, oklahoma, with help from our cox communication partners, in the next hour, we will explore the literary life about 122,000. that is also home to the university of oklahoma. as we travel around norman, we'll speak with local authors.
>> oklahoma's history is ironically inverted miniature of the national narrative. unfolding in a matter of days and weeks and months. sometimes hours. rather than decades with the rest of the country. so this is the land that gave birth to 20th century america's premier athlete, the second fox indian jim thorpe. woody guthrie. one of its most celebrated black novelist, ralph ellison. and deadliest race riot, all within a few dozen years than 100 miles of each other. >> we begin with author carlos hill on the history of lynching in america and how the response of african-americans evolve over time. >> portions of this program contain images that some viewers may find offensive. >> the history of lynching began
as the history of america. the turn of lynching actually comes from an american revolutionary colonel, colonel lynch. and so, during the revolutionary period, colonel lynch was famous for a meeting punishment on suspect that british tories. and if you are a suspected torii, colonel lynch as well as the men under his charge would summarily tar and feather you. and so, the term lynching comes from colonel charles lynch during the american revolutionary. and during this period, by and large the individuals who would evict dozens of being summarily punished were white. when we get to the 1880s, 1890s, when we are talking
about black lynching victims, the intent was to despond my person from the community. the intent was for that person's murder, collect the murder to be an example for others in the community. said the intent was to kill. the intent was lethal, so others in the community would sort of stay in line. they would stay under control. so lynching begins as a form of social control in the 1780s, 1790s. by the 1880s, 1890s indefinitely into the early 20th centuries, lynching has become a form of racial control, whether primary in the primary perpetrators are white americans. again, lynching has as long history in this country, and
that it is a racialized history. in my book, beyond the rope, there was a lot of evidence i could call on to make this argument about the multifaceted experience, black experience of lynching. but i drew on newspapers. i drew on literature, oral history. the reason why i draw on these particular sources is because what i was after was to try and understand how african-americans made sense of the experience of terror. i was really interested in how african-americans would narrate the experience of terror. because what we have to remember is that many teen teens in the 1920s and 1930s, the civil rights movement is not on the horizon. african-americans do not know.
they do not and that 20 years later there would be a mass movement that would offend segregation in this country. it seems from the perspective of 1910 and 1920 that segregation is going to last forever. so if this is the reality of black people come the perceived reality of black people in 1910, 1920, 1930, how do you make sense of the experience in a way that gives hope to the next generation to keep fighting. they don't give up just because it looks bleak right now. and so, what i tried to do in the book is to try to explain how black americans, and not just regular people, but artist, writers. how they tried to make sense of
a black experience in a way that can provide hope for the future, provide hope for the next generation. and so what i believe i incurred the book is this tradition of consoling narratives of the latest blackbody. and so i try to tell the story of how african-americans begin to conceive of lynching and simply stories of the innovation, but also as stories of empowerment. and so, in these, what i call consoling narratives, the latest blackbody is in the background and the foreground is who those individuals were in line and how they resisted white lynch mob violence. if you could focus their comment
if you could focus on who they were in life, how they resisted, and those elements of the story could use to give hope, could be used to inspire the next generation to mobilize against white supremacy in a given segregation. and so, the goal of consoling narratives was to create a usable path as long as the story revolved around dad black bodies hanging from a tree, right. that is not an empowering story. that is not a story you can share and inspire people, and power people for a way to move beyond a shadow of the lynching tree in a way that would inspire future actions. in the book, i focus on the
story of henry lowry and henry lowry, i'll just say, he was a victim of lynching in arkansas in the team 20. and lowry is important because the naacp uses 10 in his case to generate a lot of attention for their anti-lynching movement in that they were sort of getting off the ground, began in 1916, but by 1920, naacp is fully enmeshed in the anti-lynching crusade. the henry lowry case was a case where they really poured their resources into trying to depict him as a the white supremacy, as if it are white mob violence.
and so they essentially create, you know, several news releases to really emphasize lowry is a victim, as someone who's civil rights were shipped, someone who was burned at the stake. i don't want to get into the gory details of his lynching, but it was one of the worst in american history, which was what asked by at least, from our estimates, 10,000 people in the arkansas delta. and so, the lowry case is a clear case released in the eyes of the naacp, a black dehumanization. however, it was interesting to see how the black press at the time sought to depict the case. several publications focusing on the resistance that lowry
offered the lynch mob. they focused on how lowry refused to enter, to beg for his life all to suggest his courage, his bravery. in the face of terror. the naacp chose to tell a story of black victimization because they made the calculation that would help their efforts to secure an anti-lynching bill in congress. the more they honed in on how black people were powerless, how black people were victims of white lynch mobs and they were running amok, the more support they anticipated that they would receive in congress. the black press had different goals. they are not trying to convince congress to pass an anti-lynching law exclusively.
they are also writing to a black public who wants to understand, you know, this case and more new ones ways. and in particular, they want to understand who the victim was. they want to understand what did he do in response to this -- in response to his anticipated lynching. so those are the details that several black publications, mainly the chicago defender would sort of base their depiction of the case on. and so just without one case, there are two different traditions of telling the story of a black victimization narrative that the naacp believed they needed to tell in order to get support for anti-lynching legislation. and then you have the consoling narratives are focused on henry
lowry is a person, who u.s. is a man come in the fact that he lived in the community as well as the resistance that he offered in response to this threat of lynching. and so, that's story is more resemblance of consoling the blackbody. you have one case competing narrative tradition. but decidedly for the black community, telling the story of lynching was about giving hope to the community, future generations, to resist white v. as long as the story focused exclusively on terror. as long as the focus on dehumanized black bodies, that's story wasn't a story that would create a usable path for black people, for black empowerment. what i wanted to share is the
black experience of lynching changed over time, how african-americans understood the lynching changed over time, given the circumstances of the times. at one moment it's really important for the naacp to highlight black people as the dems then community. and so this match were confiscated story, to my eye, had not been told. so i wanted to tell the story as best as i could in one place.
>> next, author rc davis talks about the influence of indigenous latin american cultures on the development of north america. >> the oklahoma contemporary arts center. the wonderful place in oklahoma city. the home of the oklahoma latino cultural center, which just started this year in february. the mural behind this is really executive director of the oklahoma cultural center. this depicts a really important image from day of the dead and an important tradition in the americas, really nobody knows how old the day of the dead is an americas. it's always been there and there's so many really important cultural strands that come through the day of the dead. it's like a treasure trove of very important cultural indicators that you're trying to study the americas having to do
with conceptions of death, the human body, citizenship in the americas. there's just so many issues that, in relation to images like this. the steve does are mixed race people in the broadest sense in the americas. starts out in the spanish colonial period, a trained for now represent mixed-race people in the americas. casting the broadest net. i am a latino. i take a fairly assimilated latino professional. i feel wonderful about the world that i made and largely appreciated. ..
and i just didn't want a title to be interpreted any other way. my book has an argument and the argument is that latinos need to stop apologizing for being in a place they are actually from and they had the deepest roots as partially indigenous people, the deepest roots of anybody. the americas. it's also a book for non-latinos. i want non-latinos to understand what mexican-americans are trying to achieve and what they deal with every day. i want them to have a little more sympathy and stop making latinos the enemy. as i section out the six areas where the latino community has had a pretty strong impact on mainstream community since the 1960s having to do with identity, attitudes towards land, attitudes towards the human body, popular culture, the
emergence of a cultural voice in the early '70s that represent the latino community, the rise of chicano studies and chicano literature. i made some discoveries that shocked me a little bit. they were so much critical information on so many things that was not entering the national conversation, particularly about race, particularly about the history of the americas and it alarmed me a little bit. i saw myself as digging out things america needed to know more about, and evidence. often was there was a lot of low hanging fruit that nobody cared to pick. a question like identity. mesitizos people which includes mexican-americans, the broad latino category in general, most people in the americas, many countries in latin america are people they are mixed race
people. there's a history them being mixed and has to do with spanish colonial times and the spanish coming to the new world in the 16th century. the short story here is that the spanish set in motion some generation of a lot of new identities having to do with indigenous people and the african people and the chinese people and others they brought into the americas. as a colonial power they felt they were losing control really of what they set in motion. they did know who these people were and these new communities that were developing. it was all happening so quickly, so the crater a system of racial classification where there are 16 categories, and these categories start with kind of imagine four rows of four because it's often depicted in the painting and the first slot is occupied by a blunt coal, or white spaniard. as you move to the right in each
case, people get more racially mixed and theoretically by the time you get to the 16th category, you describe everybody in the americas. this is really racist stuff. the spanish were setting themselves up as the norm. the white people. they created the notion of a brown body, and a brown body with a distant reflection of their own body and sort of a bad copy. once he got further and for the next, ticket with africans, he became as the spanish put it, polluted and there was no coming back. it is so pervasive that if you are a person living in the americas now and you looked out at your own skin, your arm, your leg, whatever, you are looking through the lens that the spanish created. one of the things that my book tries to do is say, folks, wake up. something so powerful as racism
always has a history to it. if you're going to pull it by the roots you have got to understand the history. there's a long tradition in the americas of landing sacred. in spanish law and in mexican law there was this concept that's almost gone now, something kind of similar to it called -- ejidos, and they were two major lands. they can be sold. have to do with what we call commonwealth. so lands that are ejidos, traditional lands owned by people. there are cultural traditional associations with that land. your grandparents are probably buried on that land. you will maybe be buried on the land one day. in modern america land is a a commodity and it sold on the open market to the highest bidder. there are people that have nothing to do with latino
culture, professional geographers in the academy, universities and the united states that is worried about this for a long time. can a culture survive where there is almost no cultural association, traditional association with land? it's never happened before. where land is a commodity sold to the highest bidder and dislike a piece of plastic that will be shared by whatever the next need for it is, it doesn't convey traditions, nothing to do with culture or anything to do with value, any longer, the body. body. the short of it is in modern, in terms of america, we think of the body is being disposable. right down to the present. in flint, michigan, they were willing to have whole communities drink bad water for ten years. the underlying assumption was
these bodies are disposable. it's okay to do that. in this traditional view of the world the body is never disposable. it is sacred. and so there's an incredible conflict here, and this has not been dealt with enough. there are indigenous latino mexican american traditions about the way the body is perceived when the body is a world unto it so. it's the world we live in. there are more indices of changes than the first. for example, popular culture. if we look at the of the dead practices, cinco de mayo practices, or low rider car culture, i talk about that in my book, what we are looking at is a kind of staged encounter of mexican american culture and the balance for mexican-americans of how much mexican culture and how much american culture gets kind of mixed in your life is always
changing, it's a dynamic thing. so popular cultures where that is played out. if you want to sort of see her mexican-americans are in terms of drawing on tradition versus contemporary commercial reality in america, pop culture reveals that because that's what it's played out at a minimum basis. i also talk about voice. there's a great mexican american writer who went to the university that i teach at, and he got a phd at the university of oklahoma and he arrived from texas. his breakthrough novel, the earth did not devour him, with the signal to the country that mexican american culture had arrived to the point where it deserved a national audience and his book had a national audience. right after that a year later -- over the next ten years a whole lot of mexican american writers
appeared that really helped to define the culture and brought it to the united states. once those writers were writing, they can't you get the attention to mexican-americans culture because they could go a local barnes & noble and buy this book. >> did not go to -- there was a sense there was culture crossing. there was a sense they were maybe peering into an exotic culture a little bit. that's not a good thing, so exotic size another culture but it was a good thing the winter to mexican american culture opened up. a lot of those writers, getting my last category, the emergence of chicano literature and chicano culture, a lot of those writers became professors in american universities. there were suddenly these, rodolfo, my good friend was one of those. he was a world-famous writer but he taught in english departmentt at the university of new mexico. this is a big thing.
the emergence of chicano literature and the writers like that they were teaching chicano studies, that really brought mexican american latino culture to the nation in a whole different way because it was the institutionalized. publishers like warner books and scribners, et cetera, representing an framing this culture so there was a kind of crossing of the threshold that had not happened before. my sense is that these six areas, if somebody reads a book and gets to all six, they will have sense, a kind of sort of like a section of cutting the culture right to the middle and they can look at the impact that that mexican american latino culture has been having since the '60s. there are many americans who still don't know a black person that they don't know a mexican-american.
maybe give only met a latino. they are well-intentioned but you can only care what you know about. if you don't know anything about the black community for the mexican-american community and you are hearing things in the media that it sometimes sensational, very often sensational, you build your responses on that. it is a real problem in this country still segmented. i don't know how to fix it and again i think it's a lot of folks that are well-meaning, just have met anybody unlike themselves enough to actually make a difference. a similar kind of problem is that the mexican american community, because they were marginalized, they don't see themselves reflected in the culture, , often have know enouh about themselves. here's a really important fact. there was some information so important that it changed the people who know it.
and your history, your own culture, your own origins, that is information so important and when you know what you are different. and so that's where chicano studies, chicano literature, and hope in a small way my book is going to bring that culture out in the open more because it's not my book that will create the changes. it's the knowledge that maybe it will help to unlock information so important that it changes the people who know it. >> our look at normans local literary culture continues as author will ask you expose what remains to be an oklahoman. >> the title of my book is most american, , notes from a wonder place. so this essay really states my thesis i suppose you would say which about oklahoma's history and in it i said oklahoma's history is a compressed, ironically inverted miniature of
the national narrative unfolding in a a matter of days and weeks and months, sometimes hours rather than decades, as with the rest of the country here that's what it is so intensified. this is the linda gave birth to 20th century america's premier athlete, jim thorpe picked its definitive white working man's hero, woody guthrie. one of its most celebrated black novelist ralph ellison, and its deadliest -- the tulsa race riots all within a few dozen years and 100 miles of each other. oklahoma is the only place any with it and respond committed struggles to great and all black state and all indian state, and get the very first laws enacted by our virgin legislature winded we became a state were jim crow laws. there were laws of segregation. and still we have more and incorporated black towns that any state in the nation. still more native tribes
survived and thrived it anywhere on the continent but with added irony that in oklahoma, most of them don't live on reservations. in the land of the red people, which is what oklahoma means to choctaw words. meaning red people. in the land of the red people indians have lost most of their land. through the allotment act, through theft, murder, through chicanery, through legislation. one of the things that's most important to me to express in the essay is the quintessential nature of oklahoma as a profoundly american plays plach by its history, culture, intemperate culture, and all of the forces that are gone into creating this state. so that's the most america park and that's the title essay. then there's another essay called a wounded place, and that
creates the subtitle. it speaks of oklahoma's racial wounds, the western encroachment on native land moved west from the eastern coast across the continent. the inversion of that is that actually natives were taken from homelands, and not just in the southeast, that so what we thif mostly, the so-called five civilized tribes has dominant culture has named them, choctaw, chickasaw, cherokee, creek and symbol, muscogee creek. were taken from the homelands and moved here. this was true from all over. if you look at oklahoma and where it is situated in the national, the physical map, we are not the heartland. we are to get, the belly come the underbelly. so native tribes were, if you look were all that original homelands were, they are spread all over the continent and they were concentrated here in the
middle. that's one of the ways. oklahoma became the promised land for a number of whites who came here. we have the great western myth of the land runs, and so that perpetual migration and encroachment from the native point of view of white settlers, that happened with all across the continent. it happened here like in one day they had the land runs, you know, , again with all that news and people bounded south in the land runs and staked claims, and those are primary people from dominant culture. there were african-american and, there wouldn't have been made in american but of the ethnic people who also staked those claims that they were mostly white. the overall narrative is concentrated and happened, unfolded at such rapid pace in
the latter part of the 19th century moving on into the 20th century. oakland has only been a state since 1907, it's like the 46 state. so other states much for the west had become states before we did. so those are parts of the wave. i think also it's the coming together here of african-american, native american and anglo-american people that created a racial cauldron that boiled over in ey part of the 20th century, particularly and what is called now the tulsa race riot bill, many will say it's not the proper name for it and it isn't. many call it the race massacre. it was an assault by some 10,000 armed whites on the wealthy, well-to-do black community north of tulsa it was called greenwood
happened in 1921 on the night of may 31 and june 1, 1921. the most massive assault by white americans on black americans that happened, those kinds of things are happening. they happened in florida, arkansas, of the places in that time but nothing to the degree and the drama and the complete destruction of a very, very wealthy, well-to-do community of successful and prosperous african americans. people living in a certain kind of autonomy here in oklahoma. and then it was covered over, that history disappeared. it's the way that come in a lot of ways we have disappeared our national narrative altogether. we don't really want to think about our founding in slavery. we don't really want to think about or phone, except the
broadest outline strokes of the genocide of native people of the ethnic cleansing that happened with the removal when masses of people were moved here on what is become called the trail of tears. those are parts of the ways, and then i think about oklahoma's, our contemporary character. in the early part of the 20th century we were the most red state on the left, which is that there were more the socialists candidates for president in the early, in 1919 i think elections, that early part of the 20th century, eugene debs received more votes in oakland that any of the state. it was a strong union state. it was very, very, had a progressive, socialist underpinning.
and then now we're one of the most red states on the right and that's happen within a century. it reflects a lot of elements having to do with the larger culture. the dominant culture is very religious. it is still predominantly white, unlike other areas of the country. it's very conservative, very rooted in the land. and in those ways i think it's also part of how it reflects the national narrative and the national culture. so we have these natural disasters. we have the tornadoes which oklahoma is so infamous for. and when something happens like, they're been several devastation in the city of moore, which many people know about, when that happens and there's an f5 tornado and everything is laid flat and people are suffering, the people of oklahoma come together and really profound
ways that erase all of our divisions. that's also, again, the way americans do. so we had the oklahoma city bombing, the bombing of the murder of federal building in 2005 which in some ways, in many ways pre-staged 9/11 and help people responded after the bombing. some people ask me why go there? why get to go, i'm very all this ugliness? what's important for us, okay, smooth over. it gets at least scabbed over if not a nice smooth s corp are quite up that wound? it's because really the wound can never be healed and less we do that. so it will continue to erupt what, every few decades, every few years, every few generations
until we come to own what the nature, the true nature of our history is. >> founded in 1890, the university of oklahoma is the home to over 30,000 students. it's you we speak with other kyle harper to learn more about how disease and climate change impact of the fall of rome. >> what's exciting about being an agent story is actually running a lot and we didn't know before about the human past. even human past us thousands of separated from us. it's not just the continued discovery of new documents, although we do continue to find new evidence of the kind of traditional type, but we actually acquiring new evidence of a totally novel nontraditional hype from the national scientist and that includes helio climate evidence, evidence about the physical environment was like, , have climate has changed and varied over time. and it includes dna evidence, biological evidence, evidence
from archaeological samples from skeletons that tell us about the people but also the passage that existed in the past. the fate of rome is the story of the fall of the roman empire, one of the classical historical questions, how doesn't empire that one of the most dominant, powerful empires that any human civilization has ever created, how does it fall? how does it ceased to be a dominant political entity? my theory is that to tell the story right we have to include the powerful force of a natural physical environment and that includes climate change and that includes biological event, pandemic plagues that played a role. a good example of this is the first endemic event, the first plague pandemic pic at the end of the roman empire in the middle of the sixth century there was an enormous mortality event that engulfs the entire
empire beyond and kills unfathomable part of the population. it erupts in 541, called the plague. it is a bubonic plague. one of the most devastating passage humanity has ever faced, and yet even though our historical records described the horrific effects of this pandemic, the historical record only exist for certain parts of the world. even within the former roman empire, the evidence we have is actually very biased toward large cities and particularly one city, , constantinople which was in the capital of rome. it was just lingering question how important was the played outside of the areas where we happened to have historical records? it's a very hard question to answer. now we are starting to be able
to answer that question from the dna evidence. the dna of the bacteria that cause the pandemic has found from skeletons in mass graves, from places far outside constantinople from tiny villages in southern germany that are nowhere near the center of power or trade, and that tell us if the plague it reached places like this, then it must truly have reached almost everywhere. it helps us take the written record which gives us a sense of what it was like, where it struck, and to be able to say okay, this struck in places that are totally dark in the historical record, and to combine this together to get a sense of what a catastrophe of this event really was. well, we all know that we live in a world where we are very concerned with the effects of climate change and have deep need to understand how the
climate system is changing, which requires a sense of how it works. the climate is certainly being altered by human activity, by pollution, greenhouse gases. but the climate system also has a background level of variability and change. the climate system wasn't simply unchanging human activity started changing it. because it's become so important to understand that natural background, there's been a huge effort over the last generation to try and understand how the climate system naturally works and what the past states of the climate has look like. and for scientists have looked at ice cores, which are a record of the chemistry of the atmosphere in a way on a year-by-year basis going back thousands and thousands of years. they have looked at tree rings. similarly trees growth can say about temperature or participation it can be a very,
very detailed, high-resolution record of the past climate. and like records, ocean records, pollen records, all of these have their contributions to make with a deeper understanding of how the earths climate has changed over the past times. for historians this is really interesting because it turns out that the kind of timescales we are interested in, the rise and fall of civilization, that the climate change on the timescales. it changes on an annual, on decade will come on centennial scales. these changes have federal important consequences here so for my time i'm interested in roman empire. it turns out at various times in roman history climate change was a very important force. it could either stabilize and contribute to the success of the romans when the climate was favorable but it could also challenge the romans. it could induce famine or drought. it could induce migrations and
geopolitical challenges that the roman sound very difficult to manage. so it's been important part of human history from the very beginning. a great example of this this ia volcanic eruption happened in the year 536. the written record, the historical sources actually widely testified to a really weird climate that you, very anomalous. they describe the year without a summer. 18 months when the sun was invisible. now it turns out that we both ice core entry ring records that help us understand what our human witnesses were observing. they didn't understand what they were experiencing, but now we know in 5362 is a large volcanic eruption somewhere in the northern hemisphere that caused the sun to appear damned -- 536 -- for some period of time. you have that synthesis of the human observation and the physical testimony.
that was followed a few years later by another massive volcanic eruption in the tropics, in this eruption event caused massive and instantaneous effects on the climate system. it became cooler immediately, at the decade that followed the first eruption was actually probably the coldest decade in the last several thousand years and it costs all kinds of challenges for the people who experienced it. i hope that if we tell the story of the fault of the roman empire and we include these fascinating new kinds of evidence, that paly acclimate evidence, the dna evidence, that we can make the story richer and is always kind of fascination about roberto something about civilization next to us. and it always has been it's always been that way. the powerful imagery of the
civilization, the poignant visions of its ruins, that they're still there when you go to the city of rome were all around, it sort of captures the imagination. there's something so human about it. how couldn't empire, a civilization this powerful have simply transformed the on recognition? .. and in this most important chapter of the past, it has a powerful emotional appeal to us. if we get the story right and realize that our civilization , faith is always bound up
witha relationship with the natural world, then it changes your perspective . and what happens then is the same thing that's going to happen to us but it can change the way we think of ourselves, in our societies and deepen our sense of how interconnected we are to the physical and the biological environment. >> with the help of our cox communications cable partners we are in norman oklahoma exploring the local literary scene. next, author sarah joined up on the history of student activism at the university of oklahoma. >> the reason i started the book in 1962 is in the spring of 1962 a group of rotc students at the university of
oklahoma decided they had to start analternative student newspaper. there's too much conformity. there's too much emphasis on downplaying controversy so there's this quest for knowledge and trying to get people to think . so that scene gets picked up by another group of students at ou who start a marxist reading club and it's this very small group of students but they were interested in new ideas and they were also interested in oklahoma's more radical past that a lot of people had forgotten about which is that at one time in the 1910s prior to the start of world war i oklahoma have this largest socialist population of any state in the union so they start making connections back to that so they are reading marcus marxist literature but also oklahoma socialists and out of that group emerges the first chapter of students for democratic society in the state of oklahoma so they filled out the paperwork to become a student organization and it gets flagged pretty quickly because the administration realizes that there will be questions about students for democratic society.
so they kind of monitor it and within a years time they are getting complaints from the governor, wanting to know exactly what this organization is, if it's causing any problems on campus and to put it in perspective, the students for democratic society at ou on average would have 12 members, 20 members. it's a very small organization but the cost of the national opposition to sbs, increasingly it gets a lot of attention so they started a student newspaper, sbs voice and members of the state legislature would get copies of it, if they saw any reference to socialism, marxism, antiwar, they would underline those and then president george lynn cross at ou would get letters complaining about the students, wanting to know what could be done to stop
this organization. what happens is that you continue to see surveillance of students involved in sbs at the university of oklahoma and oklahoma state university. the city field office of the fbi has to keep tabs on the new left activism in the state and at one point, in one of the reports, in the mid-1960s, the oklahoma city field office, there were only three or four students in sps at oklahoma state university with a dozen that oklahoma norman and they don't seem to be planning anything other than a few minor antiwar protests and do so because of that we don't have any plans right now to try and do anything about them, not much is going on and j edgar hoover response and it says
the fact that you've indicated in your previous memos that you two chapters exist in the state means that you need to develop a plan to neutralize them. i look forward to hearing your plans and i think part of the story about what happens in oklahoma in a national context is the notion that three sps members at oklahoma state university that merited fbi counterintelligence plan to try to neutralize it or that the fbi would feel the need to invest in finding informants which they did at the university of oklahoma, to try to get rid of sps is mind-boggling at a certain level. that there would be this level of national insistence by j edgar hoover that sps had to cease to exist, that it was a matter of national security that you completely obliterate this organization and organization save maybe the black panthers gets more attention from the fbi and students for a democratic society so it's really quite
staggering whathappens in terms of the surveillance culture . and while all of that is going on, it still wasn't enough to satisfy the governor of the state so governor dewey bartlett in march 1968 following a student protest against general lewis hirschi who is the director of selective service, there's a demonstration in oklahoma city and that convinces governor bartlett to create a secret agency to spy on suspected radicals in the state. these are students that are arrested and quickly released , zero violence takes place and when governor bartlett creates the office of interagency formation, they held in the department of military and i funding to pay for this secret agency and over the next two years math files on over 6000 suspected
radicals thestate outside of the state . 1970 is really a turning point in what happens in oklahoma. internationally as well but part of what happens in oklahoma is that not only does the agency of coordination get exposed but in 1970 shortly before this exposc is released, may 1970 marks the most volatile. in the united states for antiwar protests because of what happens with the massacre of four unharmed students in kent state in 1970 and one of the more interesting things that happens in oklahoma is the way that students and the administration in the governor's office will respond to student protests following the events at kent state . so essentially what happens is that as students begin finding out on may 5 what
happened at kent state, that these unarmed students were killed, the ohio national guard has visuals across the country, vigils on half a dozen college campuses in oklahoma, university of oklahoma is no exception, there are students deeply troubled by whathappened . and as it's playing out, the governor, joey bartlett wants to send in national guard. once tomake sure the school stays open . is eager to use force if necessary to keep students from protesting. and what happens at the university of oklahoma is quite unique, because on may 5, there is a demonstration . against the war in vietnam and to express anger and
frustration over the depths of the kent state students. in this particular demonstration on may 5, becomes violent. there's a student who waves a red flag, he is arrested by the police. it's believed he waved a vietcong flag and he gets arrested by the police. humans surround the police car, they're trying to keep it from moving forward. theylet the air out of the tires . there's an effort to kind of attack the car, one person even tries to ride around and in the gas tank and set it on fire. this is the moment of intense fear at ou and in the midst of all this, one of the police officers, they don't know who has it and so there's several moments where it's extraordinarily tense and they're trying to figure out what to do. a student finds a gun and returns it to a police officer so that moment of
crisis passes . but it took the use of state troopers to free the police car. get the young man that had been arrested and two other students also got arrested, get them removed. there are a couple dozen students that are injured when all of this chaos breaks out. one student goes into the hospital but it certainly could have been a lot worse and to put it in context, there are 400 universities and colleges that closed down in this time period. in national guard units are called in. it is an intense period of conflict. and the university of oklahoma after the may 5 incident is, it's whole plan is to put together between the university of administration, campus security, student leaders and more radical activists outside of student government. and the whole intent is to protect students and allow
them the opportunity to voice their frustration. and to protest and the whole idea is to protect student lives. and the governor really wanted to send in the national guard, to stop demonstrations from happening. >> all this culminates on may 12, when students are preparing for the baby and of the yearrotc parade . and students are planning a protest and the governor wants to send in the national guard to stop it from happening and he stopped and located just off campus. there are afew hundred highway patrol waiting to converge on norman . if the possibility rises and what security realizes, if you first come back on campus, if the national guard comes back on campus, somebody's going to get killed and in one particularly tense moments, the governor who's got people
on campus reporting back to him about the protests what's going on and he's ready to send in the nationalguard during the may 12 parade , the president at the time, george acosta was fired. president holliman was in office at that time. he's going to send in the national guard and president colin says if you do that, then i will notify everyone that the blood is on your hands. you make this choice, students will get hurt. everyone will know that it was your call. do not do this and he's really trying to besiege the governor to respect the lives of students and understand that if they come on campus, people will be hurt. i think one of the things nationally now is that there's not enough tolerance
for diverse perspectives. and that is perhaps a lesson to be learned that on the one hand, you can call can't love all activists into a single category. on the other hand it's important for, when you think about free speech issues today, both to allow on college campuses voices of dissent, whether they are far to the left or far to the right and that's fundamental to a democracy is to engage in free speech. but to shut down free speech and to only be willing to listen to things that reinforce your own worldview is antithetical to democracy for one thing and for another, it undermines what college life should be about is exposing students to new ideas, giving them the opportunity to make their own decisions and reach their own conclusions and i think that's one of the really important questions that can be taken nationally from
activism. >> we're here at the western history collection at the university of oklahoma, founded in 1927, this archive a mass more than 2 million photographs. we will learn more about the region and artifacts relating to the development of the west as well as native american cultures. >> 's reflections was founded in 1927. it covers the history of the united states, west of the mississippi river from about the mid-19th century to about the mid-20th century, with a special emphasis on oklahoma and surrounding states, as well as the 39 native american tribes that are located here after having been removed here or confined to indian territory in the 19th century. this particular item is one of our newest acquisitions, we purchased it last year. many of our materials are donated but we do purchase some. this is from the 10th cavalry which was a regiment of the buffalo soldiers. these are african-american
soldiers so this mustard role as the names of the men serving. whether they were present or absent and absent, why. it has the rate of pay, how much they were paid from a period of april 30 to june 30 of 1872. one of the columns that i found interesting on here is if the soldiers owed the united states government money or tobacco that they had been allowed to use and that was taken out of their pay. they also received a clothing allowance so you can see that educated on this mustard role as well. it would be an ideal resource for those interested in family history. because it lists their names, their right, where they were recruited and when. >> the wild west shows originated in the late 1800s. they started more in the northern plains in omaha nebraska with buffalo bill cody's show in 1883. some of the performers that
participated in his show were from oklahoma and so it wasn't too long after the 1883 show that ranches in oklahoma started their own wild west shows so we had advertisements for those oklahoma-based shows. this one is a poster forthe miller brothers 101 ranch . and it's advertising a performance that was going to be in the 1920s or maybe the early 30s. we don't have an exact date on this poster. but the item next to it is we think a souvenir program from pawnee wild west show. it's a magazine and it describes the area the are not only performers who were cowboys or native americans, but they were fromall over the world . and they also use exotic animalsin their shows . so these were inordinately
popular in the late 1800s and in the first couple decades of the 1900s. i think there's probably some nostalgia for some skills that were maybe starting to fade away. such skills having to deal with open range. this is horsemanship, shooting, even writing skills. they were staged battles and these in both the 101 ranch and the pawnee bill shows travel nationally and even internationally and it was quite the logistical fees. to transport all the employees and all the livestock and all their crops and so forth all over the country. these autographs are from the miller brothers 101 ranch collection. we have hundreds of photographs or the ranch in the wild west show. and these are just a few. the one in the upper left-hand corner, that shows cowboys. it looks like they are from thenavy 20s or 30s .
working with a horse. the 101 ranch was a working ranch. they raise livestock, they had many agricultural products, their orchards, their own dairy. it was enormous. the ranch itself is 110,000 acres. so some of the other photographs were from the show. this shows a tent set up and we don't know exactly where this is but we had these smokestacks inthe background . and as they were traveling from city to city they would send an agent of the head to arrange to have a tent, 10 or 15 acre parcel of land though they could have a show where they generally paid for most days so in the upper right-hand corner we have glenn makowski who is one of the performers with history you'll will rogers. and will rogers had been in
his heyday at this time, he was a famous radio personality, and after and social and political commentator who was known for his political wit so you would have been very famous at this time and then this is just a little boy on a cath, he's honing his cowboy skills. this photograph is of a tyler girl named lily and it was taken in 1901 at the cuyler wichita agency. the photographer was named anna rothstein and she was the wife of a physician agency. so anyway, this lovely image is of this young girl and mrs. hume was good about taking candid shots of people in their own environment, at home or on their front porch are outside, not the sincerely being closed as in the studio portrait. she started taking these
photographs in 1891, so this is shortly after photography became accessible to amateur photographers. these are on brass plate negatives. it's amazing to think this was a more accessible for him these glass plate negatives as you can imagine are very fragile and extremely heavy. this is a souvenir from susan's cooking school which was an annual event held in oklahoma city through the 1930s. and susan whose real name was at was a fixer of oklahoma households for much of that decade. she had a daily newspaper column and i come across those newspaper clippings in other collections so these are souvenir books. have recipes, also advertising for products that susan recommended. the other book is, it was originally a wallpaper sample book. and a lady named trudy
flanagan, hildebrand , cut and pasted recipes from magazines and then also some food boxes. to create this cookbook in 1933. it's interesting to see what they ate at that time and how they prepared. >> this journal was written by a marine who served during world war ii. he was from oklahoma and his name was earl rhodes and i think he went by rolling. he served in iceland in 1941 through 1942, so this little journal that is from his time in iceland. you can get a feel or some of his personality and his wit in this journal because in one part, he jokes about the efficiency of the military. he had just gotten his vetting after having been
there for a little while. in 1943, he is transferred to the pacific theater and he is on various islands in the pacific and then he's killed in july 1944 on blom. and in action with the army. and it's really moving to read his experiences and in his ownwords . and to be able to capture some of his personality. >> these two items are from the university archives are housed in the western history collection. i had mentioned earlier we had the original charter from when the university was formed in 1890. no this document is. it was signed by robert martin who was the secretary of oklahoma territory. his university was founded before oklahoma became a state in 1907. the photograph is part of a
very expensive photograph collection we have of the university of oklahoma campus . this particular photo shows campus corner in the 1950s and you can still see some of the same architecture now. is this building and the gramercy years on which i don't think the theater exists anymore but the time is still there interesting to see the changes in campus and the norman community overtime . >> i think they represent well the lives of people from all walks of life. whether there agitated or maybe not so educated. they were workingin all different professions. some of them were teachers , or missionaries or for lawyers or doctors or housewives. some of them were cowboys. outlaws. >> scoundrels of various sites.
so we're fortunate that many of these materials have survived where we can see a first hand recollection or account to what happened in that time period and can be really, it can really enliven the study of history for undergraduate students or even k-12 students to be able to work with an original item from that time which we often refer to as a primary source rather than working with something like a history textbook. i think it makes these people from the past, it makes them come alive. we hear their words and see their face. >> we are in norman oklahoma on a way to get a tour of the city. standing next to me is any reader is going to tell us about some of the places
we're going to see today. >> welcome to norman, we're here at the train station and really this is where our city began. were going to drive around in the downtown area, then go east for the, where we had a large state mental hospital here for many years, and then i'm going to take you on the north side of townwhere the navy had a huge base here to train pilots . at the beginning of world war ii. then we will go to campus, see some university scenes, taken the football stadium and then go down by the national weather center to see some research interests that the university has right now can you tell us about your self for our viewers? how long have you lived here, what have you done? >> i've lived here my entire life and i grew up here, went to school at the university and work different newspapers but for the last 20 years, i was editor of the norman transcript in norman and retired two years ago and now
i do some investment and i teach part-time at the university in the journalism department. my great-grandfather was part of the land run here in 1889 he came and helped build the railroad tracks so we have a lot of history i look forward to our journey here today . >> were looking at our train station in norman. the railroad went through here in 1873, 1874. years later they had to land around the train station and obviously there were a lot of students here, a lot of settlers came on the train and later as the navy base, we brought sailors here and we still have amtrak service through norman to fort worth and we have about 35 trains a day through norman. >> what is the population here in norman? >> norman has about 120,000. we have probably 20,000 students.
really, a commuter city i would say. 60 to 70 percent of our community leaves town every morning to go to oklahoma city. you know, once the interstate was completed, it made things much easier. good schools, the university, good lifestyle here. this is the old downtown area, three blockseast of the railroad tracks .lots of 9 to 5 crowd, and a five until nine crowd. there's lots of entertainment places, offices during the day, some stores but is really turned around the last few years. a lot more traffic down here, a lot more variety of retail and services here in the downtown area's and that one we just passed,that's the mural .
that's some history's best the land run which was in april 1889. these were assigned lands and the governor opened them up on april 22, 1889 and people stake their claim. it comes to 160 acres. the community began developing after that, the universitycame in 1890. ever had it is these town . what you see straight ahead, we will see it closer, some of the remnants of the state hospital, the mental institution which was built here, about 1895. >>. >> the state had three mental hospitals, central state hospital which was this one, western state and eastern state of bonita. and at one time there were thousands of patients that
lived here. >> my grandfather, they lived in a home right here on the corner so my father grew up right here. the doctors lived underground, the patients all had jobs, this was a city within the city. at one time there were probably 35,000 patients that live here on the premises . we joke that is norman's first gated community. they had their own laundry, either own commissary, through their own food, through their own beat, they had farms, and recreation areas so it was a huge place for patients. >> what happened. >> the treatment of mental illness changed to where more that was outpatient. there was a bigger need for people. in patient treatments. >> it's still a hospital, it's griffin hospital and they still serve probably three or 400 new patients and
a lot morepeople on the half . >> it's interesting that it took place here in norman or became there in norman, not inoklahoma city . >> and i think probably because of that, people in norman have a better appreciation and understanding that it's fixed many families. breaks down class or gender various. >> we are just to the north of downtown and we're going to head on the north side of the city and i want to show you some of the remnants of, one of the navy bases here. the navy had to major bases here during world war ii. >> and it seems veryodd they were located in oklahoma . but they were aviation, naval aviation. and they taught pilots, machinists, we had at one time thousands of sailors,
nurses, machinists, all being trained here to fight in the war. world war ii. this was the max west honor field which was named after a world war i aviator. >> this was basically turned over to the navy in 1942. they took over and had dozens and dozens of buildings out here. they had bowling now, they had barracks, they had drill halls. all this was another city within the city. they had a huge presence from 1942 or 1940 two until about the 1947, after the war. and they reopened the base, recently during the korean war and after that, the
property became mostly university property city. >> now we're approaching university and this is the president's home here on the left . >> tell her audience to who president boren is. >> he is the former state legislator, governor, us senator and he came here about 1994, 95 as president of the university. left the senate and had a high approval rating but he had reached a point where he said not much gets done in washington anymore. he came here to send the presidency and he is the second longest serving president of this university and one of the longest serving of the us university at this time so his office is straight ahead. >> what's significant about
the university of oklahoma, in relationship to you meant in the land run, when was the university then established and? >> the university, first classes were held in 1890. so it's been here a long time so think about it, but land around here in 1889, a year later they were having classes. i'm usually in a building towards the downtown area. >> the building you see i had into our right is the football stadium. this is where six saturdays a year, the faithful, and practice their religion which is football. left here, no audio. >> that's an important part of norman or the state of oklahoma, why is that? >> i like to think that two things really happened to lift oklahoma out of the depression. oklahoma had an image problem
during the depression. the grapes ofwrath , okies from california, no work here so they left and took route 66 and drove west so it's the image of oklahoma and the rodgers and hammerstein musical. >> you want to sing a little bit of that? >> i don't think i can. but that musical and then the emergence of postwar football. we had a young coach who was a former military person. had a lot of returning soldiers, older players who came to play for him and they won their first national championship in 1950, went on to win two more in 1955 and
56. we won and in 74, 75, 85, 2000 to one seven national championships here and that's a major feat. and it gave the people of oklahoma something to be proud of. i think it's really helped get us out of the dustbowl. coming into the area that the university has turned into a research parking unit. >> to the left of us. >> we have a centerpiece would be the national letter center, that's the weather service. a huge entity here, it combines federal installations, university and state operatives so it's academic, it's research and it's also as a federal part of it. so lots of scientists come here from all over the world . we're in tornado alley, a lot of tornadoes. >> a lot of people have shelters.
we take weather seriously here. >> why is norman oklahoma sort of the center of analyzing whether data? >> i think it's because you have a nucleus of researchers, early days from the 60s and that grew from there. the neurology program at the university. that's developed and then they had some real advancements in radar. so radar is kind of what they're known for. >> store protection, predicting you know, tornadoes and we know several days in advance, the conditions are likely for tornadoes. anywhere. and that kind of came out because of the great researchers in the field. >> i want to thank you so much for joining us today.
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>>. >> the past couple days i've been thinking about the meeting movement and i've been thinking about particularly in metropolitan spaces. basically we see harassment and couple of days ago, i was back in manhattan. i was talking about harassment and talking about the difficulty of keeping safe as a woman, particularly a black woman and how it's affected and we talk about these issues amongst black men and there was a man in the audience during q&a who did not have a question. and he said you know, the reason why men follow women down the block or push through them recklessly is because they have no home training and he kept repeating himself. and i nodded and tried to be gracious but in the back of my mind i was like, how can i
think about someone's home training when i'm fearing for my life? so i'm going to read a section about street harassment and this sort of push and pull, as a black woman in regards to safety and someone else's.so i hope you like it. >> and nypd sniper tower was set up on the next avenue between 129 130 three tinhorn harlem a short walk away from the summer of 2016. i do not know for sure why it was there. it moved a pioneer supermarket which is not exactly a half of illegal activity aside from the occasional shoplifters whose pictures are posted on the glass door as you enter. central harlem in general is not prime heavy. i walked home at one or 2:00 in the morning unscathed. i've never been loved or heard gunshots. i first thought because the power rose around the fourth of july maybe the nypd
thought something would go down during independence day celebrations but no, that couldn't be it. i moved in around this time and there had been no sniper tower. this all vice president communicated that we thought about trying anything or else. sometimes the police car would be parked beside the door and when one was not i decided to see if there was anyone in the tower but his windows were tinted black. i wanted to ask passersby what was he doing in the neighborhood but i assume anyone would have been as good as mine for a gas. i always said to my home and that if god for bid anything happened to me i would go the black men who sat on top of turned crates outside the barbershop with the laundromat before i would ask the police for help. alton starling and philander casteel had been recently murdered and their deaths had triggered another cool summer of black rage that burned hotter than he itself area.
>> and in july 2016, i went from outdoor jazz concert in prospect park. i took the train home and golf that by 26 street. usually if i'm in a good mood or mister project i would avoid myself with food or drink. a bottle of perrier, some gelato, strawberries, humble job. that evening i decidedi could go for some mentos . before i would return to my apartment with a shower and netflix. there was a deli open in lenox avenue and disliked the drug addict lingering around the isles hoping that someone could spare change, i headed inside. this was the same drug addicts like ignored two blocks earlier by not making eye contact and bobbing my head to the music through my earbuds. as i was entering a man inside the entrance kept falling me sweetheart and attempting to promote a dmx concert. everybody lasted that part about dmx as if that always happens. >> i kept my earbuds in as i
needed to hear the cashier tell me how much i would have to pay for the mentos. no sooner did i pay but i made contact before stopping. supposedly, dmx was having some concert in harlem and he was in charge of promoting it by passing out flyers. i do not know why he was so aggressive but i felt walked into continuing the conversation. and ask when the concert was i nodded my head, any interest in an artist like been relevant in over a decade. the man who introduced himself as charlie wanted me to take down his number and call him in order to get tickets at a discounted price. i told him i would memorize it, that but he was not satisfied with my suggestions. there was discussed in his raspy voice. >> c, why are you playing
games? you harlem girls are something else. you think everybody's trying to hit on you and i'm trying to do business, i'm trying to make money. i'm handsome and all but i'm not trying to hit on you or something. you're trying to play games, you harlem girls class i'm not from harlem, i said dryly but what i wanted to say was you don't know me. in retrospect saying i wasn't from harlem was a way of avoiding his overconfidence about having always figured out with science and in that moment, i was scared. his voice was steadily increasing in volume, perpetuating each word like this truck strike of an organ for. the rest of harlem disintegrated as if both he and i existed in a vacuum . i felt alone. what if he hits me? what if he pins me against the outside wall of the deli? found myself alone and pretended to enter his number into my directory. luckilyfor me he didn't lean over to see what i was doing .
the woman who went into that deli was not the same one who continued home. as soon as i walked to the end of theblock and waited for the light to signal it was okay for me to proceed. i do nothing had changed . i had been violated but i could not remain in mine have been crossed. he did not make more remarks about my body. not rate me and yes men were posted upoutside another deli , he now terrifies me. the pioneer supermarket, the restaurant, the nail salon became two-dimensional as if they could fall down like poker cards . police car was parked beside the tower, it's red and blue lights flickering. two police officers, one white and one black leaned up chatting with the ease of old black men who crowd aroundthe street vendors tables . the black officer inadvertently glanced at me and i look back at him but said nothing, yet i wanted him to comprehend that my eyes werecompensating my closed mouth . yelling for help. if both those officers had
run to my side and asked what was the matter i would have gave them my arms and legs, free of any bruises, looked behind me to see if charlie had followed and said nothing. they would have stopped, thinking i was crazy and if i had not spoke up and said there was a man harassing me at the deli on 127 than the x, then what?this was harlem after all, such things were for all intents and purposes normal. i hurried home, once i made it to my room i dropped my purse and sat at my desk in silence. staring mindlessly at my computer screen. i wanted to grip onto the side of mydesk, fearing that i would crash on the ground but atleast i would have confirmed i was still on this earth . i was on the verge of tears and i was angry with myself . he did not fit me, did not call me a bit, did not put his hands on me. he did not rate me. i did not deserve to cry. i had to earn the right to let my tearful and when i
looked at my scarred body, i knew i was unworthy. i repeatedly told myself it could have beenworse and that emotional distress is less significant than physical distress . if i didn't have any stars, my rumble should've been something i could get over. it was all internal andshould be kept private. i've always been the kind of person who mitigates negative experiences, particularly with men by telling myself they were never that bad . i texted my male friend with whom i've gone to the jazz concert. i secretly wanted him to fall in love with me. i told him what happened and he replied with a sad face in ot. i was dissatisfied with his response to what was he supposed to do? take the subway to where i live so we could go searching for charlie? besides, it wasn't like we were dating so what could i have done? what could i have done to defend myself?
the seller has never been kind to black people. the charleston massacre happened in june. george zimmerman was acquitted in july. michael brown was murdered in august and the murders of alton stirling and philando castile. who knows what the police would have done? he could have gotten a simple warning and they could have taken him into custody and god knows what else. i would subject myself to a black man's harassment of thousand times older over rather than what is face hit the pavement with the police officers fist on his back. that is not justice. that is abetrayal. when i think about how harlem streets are faced with conversation , community, i start to second-guess myself. maybe the only good that charlie was trying to do would be a dmx concert. maybe what you wanted was only money. maybe i misjudged his calling me sweetheart as patronizing
when he was just trying to be nice because he did not know my name. maybe i was being conceited. maybe i was crying because i was not used to a city environment. the more excuses i made for him, the less trusting either game of my own body and instincts and that sniper tower, it is still there. i do not acknowledge it now when i walk by. i keep my head low and headphones nestled against my ears. i walk in a fashion similar to the other black women with whom i crossed paths every night as i return to my apartment. i wonder what kind of secrets they are holding in their bodies. what kind of experiences they have buried to protect someone else at their own expense . who they can run to for help 's watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> here's a look at some of the books being published this week.
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and watch for many of the authors in the near future on tv on the c-span2. >> so you're probably wondering how this all started? i mean, writing a bunny book about the life of a vice president. so charlotte is going to take it from there. >>. >> thank you everyone for coming. this is really cool and really special, it's definitely been a dream of mine as i was very, very small to have a book out, especially a children's book. especially about an animal and with my dad. so it's really fun. so i wanted to talk a little bit about marlon in general because a lot of people ask how long we him, how old he is and when we got him. i wanted to introduce you to him a little bit since he is
not here tonighthe's resting, a lot of press interviews this week . so we we thought we'd rest up. but i marlon when i was studying in college . paul university, chicago. i was studying digital cinema and english. i wrote a short film. and so i had a short film and needed a bunny in it. and a lot of people told me to change it, change it to a turtle or something that's easier to find. i don't know what turtle would be easier to find but i thought know, it really needs to be a bunny. it was really fake that i was going to happen across marlon. i looked online, pet stores and i found him oncraigslist . and he's a craigslist bunny. and he, no price was listed.
so i asked the owner how much for the money and he said make me an offer. and so they came this godfather joke with my friends. they said we should name him marlon brando and i said no, we have to name him marlon brando because we've got to get that bunny fun in area that's really how marlon came into our family. he was with me in college in the dorm for only like a week because that's not actually allowed but then he was at home with my parents and then was in my apartment at college. now he's part of ourfamily and he's one of our that's . so then low and behold, we got kind of thrust into this new role after the election. and we were moving to dc and so of course we had all our pets with us on air force to. we were going to leavethem behind . and some staff people were
helping us unload marlon in his cage. i don't know if some of you saw that picture because it seemed to go viral and all of a sudden, the bunny wasfamous . and we really didn't understand why he wasso famous , but that kind of started the whole thing going. so right after the inauguration, i think itwas on inauguration day , we had moved into the naval observatory which is where marlon lived now and my mom and dad lived there too. >> and so we thought, i thought okay, we should get an instagram handle, just get his name. marlon brando because i think the twitter was taken. somebody took it when he was all over the news that one
day. so we got the instagram handle for marlon. and i remember the first book we put up was marlon in his cage on our second floor of the naval observatory where welive . and he hopped out of his cage and so i put up a post that said marlins first steps to the naval observatory. and my sister's boyfriend dan gets credit for saying he's the po tos and he came up with that right away. so these first bunny of the united states. and that's his official role. and yes, so that's instagram is where it all started. he got really popular on there. his first steps in the naval observatory. that's one thing that we wanted to talk about in the book. so to let you know, we keep saying naval observatory but a lot of people don't really
know what we're talking about when we say that. in 1974, the first vice president to live in the naval observatory was mondale. actually, rockefeller was the first one who could have lived there but he decided to, he decorated it and entertain there but every vice president family since the mondale's have lived at the naval observatory. the naval observatory actually is a naval base, there really is a working observatory right across the street for us. the whole property is 72 acres area but then there's teenagers that are like gated off where the actual house is where we live. and unable observatory is kind of like a victorian home is what it looks like. it's on the cover of the book . it has a big wraparound porch
. it's very private, rightin the middle of washington dc . because there are no tour at the naval observatory so at the white house, there are tours. people come there all the time, but the naval observatory is a little more private. now, the way the story got started, it started years and years ago when charlotte first learned to talk. because from the moment she learned how to talk, she became a storyteller. and if she would line up her stuffedanimals outside , and she would tell him stories and regale themwith all kinds of adventures . at night she would tell her little sister stories for her to fall asleep . they shared a room and
really, almost into high school years, aubrey would say tell me a story charlotte, i can't fall asleep and that charlotte would start the story and the next night he would continue that story. we were surprised when she went to college and majored in digital cinema and english because we knew someday this book was going to happen. so to get to the book, when people have us how did you come up with the idea, we always say it all started with marlon . it started with this instagram page. we had no idea that anyone would even follow a page about our bunny. how many is he up to now? 27,000 followers which is way more than me . >> and i don't even have instagram. >> so he's very popular but i mean, it makes sense to us, marlon is so adorable and he's fun to take pictures of.
he has a very real personality. he will follow us around the house and we let him get his exercise outside. he will kind of pose for pictures when we are taking it. people ask us all the time how did you get him to do that? how did you get him to sit in front of the fire or open the book and he just does that. we don't do anything, he just starts doing it so he really has a little personality but it started with an instagram page. we thought we should do a children's book on this, like it would be really fun and it was always really a partnership, i feel like he was always going to be, obviously my mom does the watercolors, she's so talented so we decided to do it together and when we want to, we picked a theme for the book and it made a lot of sense to me to make it educational . so it wasn't just a story about marlon but it also would teach about the role of the vice president, whoever
he or she is. every vice president has very specific official duties and i didn't really even know about a lot of them until my dad was vice president so that's kind of where it all started was that we kind of wanted to help kids and adults and teachers and educators have a way to teach about vice presidency. >> watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> next on book tvs "after words", james swanson retraces the events leading up to the assassination of martin luther king jr. >> ..