Skip to main content

tv   Counterfeit Medicines Illegal Drug Trade  CSPAN  April 11, 2018 3:02am-4:11am EDT

3:02 am
medicines organized this event. >> welcome, everyone. my home state of texas. how are you all doing this morning? i am the president of the board of directors for the partnership for safe medicines, and i want to welcome you all to the annual briefing. we do this once a year, and i'm
3:03 am
going to introduce representative greg walden real quick like and get to the guest speakers upfront and turned the majority of the program over to them. most importantly, before the staff leaves don't forget to grab your lunch is over here. >> psm is an interesting organization close to 70 membe members. the members represent associations of pharmacist ossetians of physician, health care workers, wholesalers, manufacturers, and the main concern for why we started this group is the onslaught of counterfeit drugs coming into the country. we are a consumer oriented group that takes care of and provides information on counterfeit drugs across the country. you can find us on our website
3:04 am
called i hope you grab a brew shore up front, the big thick one. it's got a lot of information on the current report we will talk about today on the fentanyl abuse and counterfeit problem. as you came in, you solve this slide picked in the states and in the order of when they were found to have counterfeit fentanyl products. it's exploded in the last 24 months and it's quite possibly the worst we've ever seen of a counterfeit ovulate in the united states. we've got 43 and counting. of the 43, we have 22 confirmed deaths which i think is a conservative number concerning the difficulty of a death due to a counterfeit drug. it's difficult. we are dependent on the coroners and they vary by jurisdiction
3:05 am
wherever you're at. to be clear, we need to make this very clear, these deaths and the founding czar from fentanyl laced drugs. we are not talking about cocaine or heroin or anything like that. we are talking about what people think they have israel like xanax, oxycontin. they've obtained it is a counterfeit laced with fentanyl. that's what we are dealing with here only. it's those types of products. these things look identical to the real product, but they were manufactured illegally and imported with and tainted with fentanyl. they may be manufactured badly, including a single pill of this
3:06 am
with fentanyl could kill you. that is how deadly they are. we have the evidence of just that. actually, less than a single pill. they've been documented in the 443states as of april, 2018. and there's been many victims. here's three pictures of some of the victims. many of the fatalities are peoplwerepeople who believed the taken a were identical to the prescription medicine they resembled. february 2015, a 23-year-old, joe paterson on the left, and that is his son fro, his wife ws pregnant when he took the fentanyl product and he never got he is newborn son. joe paterson took a single pain pills from a friend when he pulled a muscle and he died.
3:07 am
josh ackerman in california took a quarter of a xanax because he couldn't sleep and he never woke up after taking the quarte thatf the template. the story is the same for nancy crowley in florida and bernice and ohio, and even prints in minnesota. it took us a long while to find out what killed in as a counterfeit drug that was laced with fentanyl. carly is in the picture on the right and holding a picture of her son. she has been a big advocate of trying to get these counterfeit products off the market. so, americans are dying. and there's a few things that as a psm, we would like to change and get going on trying to put this problem away. so we need every american to be aware that our country is awash in fake pills. we need that information out there to be careful when you are
3:08 am
borrowing a tablet or dying from an unclean source, not from a legitimate pharmacy. only take pills offered by a legitimate licensed pharmacy is what we are recommending. it's coming into the country through international mail facilities. it's coming in to perform. fentanyl is being made in garages and basements and barns and everything else by purchased pill machines and sold on the black market right now. so, we need to help the customs and border patrol people and fda officers by requiring electronic data on this stuff flowing into the united states. packaging them as a kind of electronic packaging identification when they arrived at the international mail facility. there's a dozen mail facilities in new york they get a million
3:09 am
packages a day. it's hard to keep track of which one has the fentanyl at which one doesn't have fentanyl. and there are a lack of resources. so we need to enforce the laws around about illegal importation of medicine to control the volume of -- the law enforcement needs to impact is huge. the needs for the people and the number of packages coming from international sources. fda commissioner gockley says because of the illegal importation today, less than one half of 1% of the packages in the country are screened. so you can see we just don't have the people to screen all those packages. the one thing that i've been harping on for over a decade, we need to curb the selling of pill manufacturing tablet
3:10 am
manufacturing equipment. it should only be sold to licensed manufacturers or pharmacists. you should not be able to get online and buy a tablet press. that, to me, -- what are you going to do a tablet press? you've got one use for it and that is to make a counterfeit, sony medication. so we need to get control of that and stop that. go on ebay and you can find them. they sell them and they are relatively cheap. you can buy them anywhere. and we need to protect our close drug system. the united states does have a closed drug system and it's illegal to import pharmaceuticals into the country. if we legalize drug importation, we will not only invite the counterfeit fentanyl, but counterfeit everything across the board. you think they have a problem
3:11 am
now is backing the products coming in, but if you had legal importation. you would really have a problem making sure they are legitimate. so, it would certainly worsen the fentanyl crisis and the. and lastly, and i will turn the podium over to the representative greg walden. i'm pleased to introduce mr. walden who chairs the house energy and commerce committee and has devoted a great deal of time investigating the causes of the opioid crisis and eliciting information about ways congress might help. representative walden is in the midst of a push to bring on a comprehensive bipartisan legislative package that will promote patient safety or public health and efforts and improve access to addiction treatment to the house floor. representative, thank you for coming today and being a champion of public health.
3:12 am
representative walden. [applause] >> thank you very much. i want to thank everybody for being here today for this briefing and the work you all do, both from the part worship for safe medicines, but also from the dea and law enforcement community to make our communities and our country safer. we thank you for the work you do. and i'm glad we have public interest groups raising awareness among the public. as we sat here, we heard the presentation and it is really shocking how bad it's gotten. it's much as much work as we've done to delve into the underlining problems, every day we learn something new and how bad it is out there. i appreciate everyone being here today to talk about this really important topic. it's important the fabric of the
3:13 am
neighborhood, from oregon to ohio, connecticut to california. our friends, family, sometimes unwittingly and sometimes knowingly experiencing this tragedy. one that is claiming the lives of more than 100 americans every single day. day. every day. sadly, it continues to evolve. from the days of tools to the synthetic opioids, it is incredibly easy to elicit the manufacture and efforts to respond to the crisis continued to evolve. since the opioid crisis began, the energy and commerce committee has been very much at work. our members not only on the committees of the committee are meeting with families and doctors, treatment advocates and law enforcement officials back in our states. i've done numerous roundtables to continue in the communities i represent to figure out how we get to this place and how we stop the illicit drugs from coming in and get on top this.
3:14 am
everybody has a seat on the table. its hands on deck for the future generations from falling to victim of this scourge. and energy and commerce we have been adopting a two track approach you first investigating the root causes of the opioid epidemic like virginia, that's where the focus has been because the cases of the things we've seen allow us to peel deeper into the onion based on what's already happened and to learn what went wrong. the second track is passing a meaningful legislation. solutions that would make a real difference in the lives of americans. so, as a part of the legislative hearings to explore potential solutions to bolster our enforcement efforts to boost agt public health and prevention efforts and ways to improve the ability of medicare and medicaid and provide needed care for patients battling opioid addiction. a couple of bills we are
3:15 am
considering and we've been working on in the last few months that i think are important to highlight in the work that you all are doing include bipartisan work by michigan representatives tim walberg. they've been working on the safe disposal of unused medications act. and this bill will help reduce the number of unused and controlled substances at risk of diversion or misuse by allowing hospice workers, for example, to safely dispose of these medications in patient homes. by the way after you pass away they are not exactly family heirlooms. they were issued and prescribed to them individually and we need to make sure to close that loophole where they seem to filter out into the wrong hands. we also considered a bill by the representatives of the resident pharmacist of the energy and commerce committee. the empowering pharmacist in the fight against the opioid act and
3:16 am
to decline from actually saying no to the controlled substance prescription when they suspected that prescription may be fraudulent, forged or appear to be for abuse or diversion. what we need to realize is that we are in the midst of more than one crisis. the illicit fentanyl crisis is making inroads even in the prescription opioid abuse. illicit opioids are especially concerning because they are manufactured poorly with unknown quantities of powerful ingredients like fentanyl. and we heard him pretty important examples of the deaths that have occurred tragically from your presentation. fentanyl as you know it's a synthetic opioid that is 50 times more potent than heroin he and 100 times more potent than morphine an and it's been a leae leading cause in the overdose deaths that we are seeing. we've considered legislation by representative john capco who was a prosecutor i the prosecute
3:17 am
going after drug kingpins before he came to congress. he calls it to stop importation into trafficking of synthetic analogs. this would give law enforcement officials tools they need to help get illicit synthetic drugs like fentanyl off the streets without compromising important public health and research protection. we know there i there's no one . there's no silver bullet, as they say, that i can tell you combating the crisis is mine at the committees top priority. we are working to better understand the numerous angles of this public health at how we can act to stem this tide and help all of us here today to understand these threats. i get to introduce this panel. javier pena, aaron graham from anybody that watches the channels, you know their work was portrayed on the tv show "narcos." you don't necessarily know aaron
3:18 am
graham because they were working in the dea on the cases of the colombian drug cartel p6 soap -- sorry nobody made a show about you. [laughter] before i conclude, i want to just follow up on some thing that marv said. in the bill we passed three weeks ago, we increased the amount of funding available to do the package introduction by $94 million this year alone. in addition to the $6 billion for mental health and opioid works specifically over the next two years. so we are investing in trying to get at that introduction at a drug treatment on both sides of the question. javier pena, erin and steve have a combined experience chasing, catching drug traffickers getting them off of the streets in the country. country. if even half of what is on the show is true, this is difficult work to see the truth.
3:19 am
it's a difficult political environment and it was challenging police work. not to mention taking a toll personally. i want to thank you for your law enforcement working for coming here today to talk about the dangers of counterfeit medications to americans. it's linked to cartels and where we should be looking for solutions. so, thank you for being here. ladies and gentlemen, may i introduce javier pena, steve murphy and aaron graham. with that, i will turn it over to you. [applause] >> let me begin by saying thank you very much to the congressman for the leadership that he is showing on this important issue. and i want to thank steve and javier for coming. some of you may wonder what we know about counterfeit
3:20 am
medications. but i want to paint a picture and add on to the congressman said as well as a picture ba painted and that is counterfeit medicines touch all of us and counterfeit medicine is a personal issue. i'm sure there is not a person in this room that hasn't been a patient or caregiver in recent months or years. .. >> it's a personal issue should take a personal interest in i'm sure remember when lifestyle
3:21 am
medicines began. the transition to the crisis we see today with counterfeit opiates and pain medicines and across all therapeutic categories. we had breakthroughs in hiv and hep c. within minutes we see bad guys offering medicines with no therapeutic values. we have to expect we'll see bad things happen. steve talks about the consequences of those decisions. we talked about the cartels. racine world customs organization has said the counterfeit medicines comprise over 200 billion underground economy. but the context it's more than her winning cooking combined. it's a significant issue. steve went to columbia and i don't know if they expected to create narcosis.
3:22 am
but they knew they were to investigate the first narco terrorist in the history of the world. someone who built a 30 billion-dollar personal wealth to distributing cocaine. he sanded out sending out gravestones and evolved to who he is. we seem drug trafficking organizations do the same thing with counterfeit medicines. distributing counterfeit medicines into the united states. we know that ms 13 is distributing counterfeit medicines in the united states. i hope that paints the picture for weiss stephen javier has a perspective on escobar.
3:23 am
after they successfully dismantled the cartel what did they do next, there was another cartel. it's an unending problem. an hour transition going into counterfeit medicines. you can imagine to better experts who understand this. it's worth great pride and appreciate action that i introduce them today. >> let's start with the javier when he first arrived in columbia what was your mission and tell us what you found. >> basically went we arrived escobar later started off small, one or 2 kilos at a time, before is over he was responsible for 80% of the cocaine does reaching
3:24 am
the world. we never seen a trafficker of this magnitude. very wealthy. he employed violence. he's known as the leader, the inventor of narco terrorism. he would kill anybody who's in this way. a trafficker to get his goods into the united states. aaron makes a good point. after we took him down what happened, another took it over. we took them down in one after another cartel. there's people out there, trafficker some bad people that will take their place to make money. they don't care. escobar with his cocaine lab were producing hundreds of thousands of kilos on a daily basis. he had a sign that his labs and all sorts of nasty precursor chemicals.
3:25 am
said if i catch you using the product i will kill you. so he didn't want his workers to use the coke but everybody else. very violent era something i hope we never see again. >> when i first started talking to them about the counterfeit drug program and asking if they were surprised by the question i had was, what was is greatest business acumen. could he have been a harvard m mba? and the answer surprised. why don't you share with us why he could be so successful there was is driving principal activity to make ten control. >> we hesitate to give them credit for anything because of
3:26 am
who he was. is nothing more than a mass murderer. but he had a charismatic personality. he could persuade people to do his bidding for him. the way he persuaded them is if he didn't do it they asked them he would kill them. that's a strong incentive. somebody ask you to do something any don't you're going to die. he had no remorse or guilt. he had no problem pulling the trigger or ordering someone to be killed. we attribute between ten and 15 murders to him. one of -- is a free man and i think used on his own movie. he says the numbers were like 50000 people that he's responsible for murdering. it doesn't include the people who died from the use of cocaine. we could be talking thousands or millions of people.
3:27 am
when you watch the first trailer from narco's from season one, at the end the actor says, we do not know what we're in for. that's correct. he took us by surprise, we are not prepared for that business model that spread throughout the world. that was his one way of having success in the business. murdering those who don't do what you asked them to. when you think about that some of you may have seen the recent special about chapel you see the same thing. for any of you who have read about or seen the news about ms 13, their first principle is intimidation of violence. it's a consistent thread. the other reason why their support for this hearing this is
3:28 am
their former das who did an amazing job that were all proud of, but javier grew up on the border in laredo, texas. some of you have seen that the trade but maybe you can share with what's going up. >> i remember people going up people go there to buy whatever pills they thought they knew did, no prescription, no quality control. people come back and use the medication, someone gets sick or died. it was a problem but it was common to go into mexico. i guess what were seeing our canada also. this counterfeit medication is all made up. it's with all sorts of wrong
3:29 am
chemicals i mention quality control so people are dying. i saw personally. third have the witch dr. said people go to to get their medication. racine the examples. there is a good point about ms 13, these people will use intimidation. there put body parts and they will roll heads and hang bodies by the bridges, so they will not mess with them. they will leave them alone. the corruption. there into everything. they can make money on the counterfeit on coke and heroin. they do not care. how they're trying to do is sell it to us.
3:30 am
we know people are getting sick and dying. >> that puts a fine point on if you're not aware of the potential threat they pose you're likely to become a victim. >> the second piece that we saw something we didn't expect, as a country and enforcement agencies and patients. the other thing is we didn't expect the opiate crisis to grow at where it's at. everyone in the food chain to policymakers have a role in raising awareness about the threat. the interesting thing about steve is he has a son is a surgeon. surgeons prescribed medicines if you have a major surgery.
3:31 am
steve has an unfettered access with his son about how do you know what dosage to prescribe. so i ask you to share those conversations you have. >> this is not an issue or problem or anyone element consult. we come here hoping to get the input from her congress. congress can't solve this problem for us. if you're honest with yourself and take a close look at your family, maybe your extended family you might find somebody has an opiate issues. if you not willing to admit that you're probably not looking close enough. a part of that. not here saying that i don't experience as well. i would family member was a pain pill addict. the point is it affects everyone of us.
3:32 am
we can't just look at one element. the saying that it takes a village to raise a child, it's, take a village to fix this problem. everything from our congressmen and folks in washington, d.c. to the family element where we have to do a better job teacher children. i don't have the answers. i wish i do. it's an epidemic no one was prepared for. if you look at how narcotics evolved we started out with marijuana and heroin. and that wasn't enough in the we saw crack cocaine. to. cocaine base. then methamphetamine. now set no. that's not enough. now car fennel and the other analog forms which are more
3:33 am
powerful. when is enough going to be enough? the point is, we need the input of those in washington, d.c. but also the input of our doctors, pharmacists, teachers, everybody in the community. you need to be on the team addressing this. i'm an advocate of consequences. for every action you take in your life there's a consequence. there's always something good or bad. we all know if we take the narcotics or take a pill we don't know it's in there's a consequence of death and addiction. it's going to take a village concept to address this issue if we hope that being successful.
3:34 am
we can't point the finger at washington and expect them to create a solution. not just here in the united states, it will take a worldwide acceptance and responsibility. >> steve touched on the law-enforcement piece. what we seem is really understanding the problem. my same bias considers three dea guys here. to understand the potential issues with doctors who might be over prescribing and pharmacists who are over prescribing. you're familiar with the squeezing the balloon concept. so dea has cursed her down on legitimate sources for diversion. this will tell you where there's an opportunity, somebody will
3:35 am
fill it. as dea has become more successful in crushing supply others have been happy to fill that void for sure. and now we see them coming in through the internet and left only to imagination the only ways they can smuggle drugs into the united states. years ago i was standing on. thirty-nine with my in-laws watching container ships come underneath the golden gate bridge. i said to my father-in-law, which one of those do you think has the cocaine and which one has the heroine and the undocumented immigrants and which have the weapons of mass distraction? the next time you're in florida
3:36 am
or san francisco, go to a port of entry. and ask which one to research? water resources for the so says someone who grew up on the border and raise parlay mexico i see it as information to people who want to work and play their bills and be part of the community. so for javier, how do we raise awareness in the hispanic community about the dangers of these from mexico. >> the majority of the people are good people. there's always going to be that one, too person that will try whatever they can to get there counterfeit medication across. like steve said, the firm
3:37 am
believer is a cooperative effort. one thing i applaud is the partnership for safe medicines. you're bringing in congressmen and pharmacists and good people. as long as there's money to be made, these cartels will smuggle whatever they can they use their imagination and creativity. if we knew the solution would be in a better place right now. starting off what were doing here today, caring and getting involved. how do we get to the hispanic community, more education and more public awareness and they're still doing it and going into mexico by their pills and getting sick or dying.
3:38 am
it's a combination of factors. just like education and public awareness and talking to people. we have great programs out there remember the dare program, it went away. don't know why. my brother and sister-in-law as a teacher. the kids were excited learning about that. it went away. one thing is what we are doing here that your hosting the meeting. it's gotta be a cooperative effort between everybody. >> we've talked about the drugs come across the border and how
3:39 am
clever and sophisticated they are. one issue raised is the internet. we are fortunate to have marty with us. the question is, in addition to the cartels we see russian organized crime and others shipping medicines to patients via the internet. how many people have received an ad from an internet pharmacy offering a discount. i would ask a party can share with us some statistics they've uncovered about the magnitude of the problem of counterfeit medicines being sold by online pharmacies to unwitting people in the united states. >> we talked a lot about fake drugs today a fake news all the time. i'll talk about fake pharmacies. surreal thing. the been around for a long time. there's a demand and a supply that place out via the internet.
3:40 am
the national association of boards of pharmacy have been looking at this somewhat we found is about 96% of all websites that offer prescription medicine patients online are operating illegally. we'll talk about that and explain how it works. these drugs are coming in small packages and being ordered online. i'm not talking about the dark web. i'm talking about the surface web. the place to go every day. the first i'll explain what it is. our members are charged with regulating the practice of pharmacy it's a huge charge.
3:41 am
so the national association provides services to those boards of pharmacy. we scared scale national -- we wrote the hub to share information between states. we run accreditation and also online pharmacies. want to talk about trends. people go online to buy things, it happens all the time. i will continue. what we didn't know if consumers were going online to buy trucks. that data had not been established. so they did a robust study serving 500 americans trying to determine what the behavior was related to ordering medications
3:42 am
online. it's a little behind the trend of ordering your pet food online or something else. overseen it with one in three americans have made a purchase for prescription medication online. over half survey said i've done it or plan on doing it for myself or as a caregiver. the demand is there and the access is there. >> dear dear commissioner has come out as early as last week talking about the availability of drugs online through the fake pharmacies. in some of the challenges we
3:43 am
face. we talked about bringing stakeholders together and how we attack this challenge. if you want to play along and through her at home, plot your phones pick any search engine. in type and buy xanax. do not click on the link that you see. you'll get different results depending on the search but will what i found was several sites listed on page one i can tell because i do this for living there operating illegally. what i saw was called light tower why would anybody think that's a
3:44 am
valid pharmacy. most have of pharmacy reference in the url. everything around the information said it was a pharmacy. licensed operating out of cana canada, you didn't have to have a prescription. that's a red flag. that's on page one. the availability. your consumer and you go online, you could be duped by the site. some of them are pretty savvy. what's behind that site is we might have some folks in russia or eastern europe who have domain servers in brazil and web hosting services in another country. the acquiring bank is
3:45 am
underwritten this is in the middle east. the drugs are coming from india. imagine from a law-enforcement perspective how you prosecute that. we have a canadian pharmacy under federal indictment for shipping counterfeit meds into the u.s. there's challenges just with that relationship terms of enforcing issues related to this activity. so add six countries to the mix in its heart. if you are to google pharma affiliate program, you'll find great ways to make money at home easily, cheaply and from the safety of your bedroom. whether explaining this i have a code and instructions for you on
3:46 am
how to stand up one of the sites that will drive traffic to the networks i just defined free. you might say how do they end up on page one? they game the system. the search engine will eventually figure that out there 600 new sites each month. there's one that takes down about three or 400 sites in a year. if you have 35000 sites like this new takedown 4600 more go up each month, we can catch up. have to figure the chokepoints that exist so it's not so easy. i want to talk about statistics we've seen.
3:47 am
the last 100 websites we looked at the end of 2017 we found half or offering controlled substances. that's atypical. in nine years prior is about 13. were seeing a dramatic increase is concerning, the problem is not going away it raises more challenges. >> one more thing, and 2010 google was find half a billion dollars by the department of justice for taking money from fake pharmacies after that they required a verification to advertise.
3:48 am
since then other organizations followed suit. that chokepoint is taking care of. advertising is clean and good. this organic search part were concerned about. were not picking on one organization. it will take all to make a difference. thank you. >> if this wasn't frightening enough, the complexity of the internet and the growing opiate crisis should have our attention. all is well so narrow families of patients and caregivers. we don't get to put her head under the pillow and hope i wake up tomorrow all better.
3:49 am
it's frightening and threatens our existence. steve can tell you it's not even in your family, maybe somewhere down the road. he saw a car accident to heroin addicts not enough. they could've ran over school children or family member. so thank you for those statistics. i want to thank those for making this form available. if anyone didn't hear something new today -- i want to open it up to talk to real-life stars
3:50 am
from a number on tv show, narco's and netflix. they're the real agents, the guys who did the work. try every day to call them heroes. they were fortunate to be there to work with them. it would be a shame if you didn't have a question to ask about this subject or did your client can't really get killed by customs? is it really true about your love life in columbia? >> that's the number one question i get asked. >> i encourage you the ten minutes to ask questions. they really are amazing agents and humble gentleman who had great success there were fortunate to have had them. i open it up to the room. >> have they proved any things.
3:51 am
>> the recent peace process? >> columbia, the police is a model country right now. other countries look to them. the peace process i follow. i just hope the killings end and there is peace i hope it is. we saw too many people with the kidnappings and the bombs. the real heroes for the colombian national police, not us. i hope it doesn't. columbia is a beautiful country with great people. we encourage people to visit there. it's great people in a great country.
3:52 am
>> other additional steps that could taken to make it easier for the da to do its job income bending? congress has introduced bills recently to interrupt the flow of opiates. two unwitting patients. is there anything else they could be doing? >> i'm not conversant with the stop back conversant with. we need to increase our border checkpoints to do a better job and have more authority to do checks with everything, cross the border. there's two borders to our country. there's over 100 different points of entry between canada and the united states.
3:53 am
were asking them to do an impossible job. we need to address that. we need to look at what we can do to support the u.s. postal service. your seen millions of packages come through there's no electronic data tracking mechanism in place. we're conducting an interview earlier how we're asked why does the postal service have a pass on it. i think they have a pass but they been so busy and for lack of a better term, the public is not educated to the issues and threat were facing. that's why were here to support the congressman and hopefully get them all aware to take back to the constituents and enact legislation's they can do a
3:54 am
better job. i believe they want to do it. whether it's the funding or the manpower. they want to do the right job but they don't have it yet. >> he's a hundred% right. the stop act would require the same registration on the front end few the usps. it's the electronic tracking. they want to do the right thing. they need the resources. if you're required to fill out that information is your from fedex or ups, that would provide additional resources to track packages electronically. it's in congress is something we should be more aware of and talking to her own
3:55 am
representatives about. >> with the experience working with local authorities. how do you compare it today with those working in mexico or chi china. >> everybody thinks how did we get along down there because of corruption. it wasn't as bad as you think. we worked with an elite group of officers there like an operational intelligence group. the followed up on their own leads and took action on it. we found them to be credible. after the fact i think one person was corrupt and we entrusted our lives with every day. i'm glad we didn't know that at the time.
3:56 am
during that second manhunt when we're looking for pablo there only three low ranking officers caught making phone calls. when we launched an operation out of the base their 600 of us. if 600 guys on trucks you kind of stick out. they didn't know specifically what it was but we had mechanisms in place. they took action against them. we could compare the colombian stupid mexicans of the chinese i know the chinese government is implementing programs to do a better job of stopping the illegal manufacture of illicit narcotics primarily frontal.
3:57 am
>> we had trusted guys we worked with their and you have worked in mexico but as you know there's corruption. there are people who get paid off and in any country you've been to ea. it's your ethics and upbringing the money and the intimidation is out there. same bad situations where the violence the traffickers will hang body parts on bridges to show people that if you get involved this is what will happen. were there at the same time and
3:58 am
exchanging a lot of information. a lot more going into mexico so we'll call aaron and it was great working relationship. >> there's corruption in every country but instead of focusing on the corruption i've never seen fix anything it, you had to depend on these guys. there is one time when we seized 50 tons of cocaine based on information we literally go to the office and say of information say why were going there and i say tell you in the morning. we give them the frequencies and
3:59 am
see 4.2 tons of cocaine. that went into custody. everybody's here to talk about it. so i think everybody goes into police work to do the right thing. to look at what she steve said about china. we've done market surveys that we've conducted the chemical analysis and provided information to authorities and they did 80 rates on illegal retail locations. i think they want to do the right thing. to many times we focus on a developing nation and called corruption. is there corruption, and every agency in every country. instead of focusing on the let's focus on the good work. look at the bad people out. my wife and small child were in
4:00 am
mexico. our very existence depended on the local law-enforcement making sure they think it kidnapped her wax. we trusted and relied on them. that's a tough job. through my favorite in mexico committed suicide with three shots to the back of the head. gives me goosebumps to say it out loud. they can tell you about the thousands who died in that war in most countries it's truly a war. they're putting their lives on the line for us because with the major consumer nation. >> i want to thank you for all you do. the pharmacist for ohio.
4:01 am
my wife and son as a pharmacy and we work with the dea closely. thank god you're out there on that. were being asked to speak on that known car but no. ohio holds the record as the number of deaths. when my sons went to a funeral a few months ago. car fit no kilo was brought into toledo enough to kill every man woman and child three times in toledo. we would love to partner with you. mainly the relationships with pharmacists with the dea is what our guy screw up. i'd love to see a partnership to form educational materials. we want to mobilize but most of the programs deal with prescription drugs.
4:02 am
i know what you're referring to today and i think we need to look at the problem at large. the main focus needs to be on prevention. were dispensing the locks on right life. but we have to start going into prevention. >> all three of us are retired from dea. were continuing to try to do our part to support the fight against drugs and narcotics. i guarantee you there ready to partner. we'll be happy to put you in touch with -- in charge for ohio. there ready to partner. >> javier as part of the diversion group and i'm sure his
4:03 am
opinion on how to partner with pharmacies. >> it works. and we have to work together like you're saying. i believe in prevention. if had experience and once we work together. sometimes we come in after the fact. something went wrong with to see what doctor prescribed all of this thing and i think the pill mills are going away. when i was in houston we had hundreds of pill mills. it have a lot of people walking in. i never seen the security guard at the doctors office. all-cash. five minute visit and you get the prescription.
4:04 am
i did not know anything i had learned the hard way. but there's no more. >> it's really cut back especially in florida the pill mills for the docs involved with the pharmacists and their only cure mexico had been his pharmacy. he writes a prescription in a drive-up window. 's regular shop operation. those have been closed down. the problem just last week in stamford, connecticut the stanford police department had a house that had to 500-pound pill presses in it. they had thousands of units of counterfeit percocet with car fit no which is 100 times more
4:05 am
potent than fat no. the judge said there is enough kerf that nolan there to kill half the population of connecticut. it's a great risk, you don't even need a phony dr.. a friend of mine to the search for 10-pound respirators at every location for those making it to where so they didn't die from inhalation. it's virtually impossible to communicate two, fairfield connecticut is the very small community. my 25-year-old daughter loss to friends to opiate overdoses. we can hide from it.
4:06 am
i see marv getting ready to wrap this up. they're doing a 14 step tour in the u.k. canceled a meeting with pierce morgan to be with us today. it's their sacrifice cannot be measured. thank you. [applause] >> this is never ties meant for dea. but later this month though be another national takeback day for medicines. use the public can take her narcotics we no longer want and throw them in a bid controlled by law enforcement and they'll be destroyed. i think it's april 24 or 28th. log onto and the dates are on there. >> one thing that was not
4:07 am
touched on this the problem with first responders. being policemen or emergency people, whatever it happens to be. because of the powder form of the fat no so deadly. you inhale it, gets on your sk skin. a lot of responders have gone to the emergency room because of federal overdose they have obtained from boston into a lab. those people have to wear protective gear to make any contaminant of another counterfeit product. the counterfeit problem with that no and others is becoming transnational. transnational criminal
4:08 am
organizations. not just a mom-and-pop operation. even the canadian once or transnational. classroom busted wasn't even a house in canada. i contacted them and their board of pharmacy and asked about the address and if there is a licensed pharmacy and they said no. it was a building there is nothing there. just a po box in the pharmacy was located in panama. but when you looked at the website you would swear it's canadian and the trucks are coming out of china. but it came directly to you probably through the bahamas.
4:09 am
as many countries of all. >> thank you all for being here. for those who travel, please drive carefully. i wish you back next year when we have another hill briefing. thank you so much. i'm sure the panelists would be willing to stay a little longer and talk one-on-one if you want to chat. thank you. [applause] [inaudible]
4:10 am
cameron testifies about global security. unfoldsn, where history daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies and today we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events aroundington, d.c., and the coun


info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on