tv 2018 Arthur Miller Freedom to Write Lecture Hillary Clinton CSPAN April 28, 2018 11:00pm-12:31am EDT
tips and suggestionings. >> great to be with you. >> thank you. [silence] c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable televisioning companies. and today, we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events in washington, d.c. and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. [applause] >> i'm suzanne ceo of can america. [applause] and i'm also proud former deputy
assistant secretary of state working under secretary of state hillary clinton. [applause] >> what do you you say to introduce someone that we know her by her first name? and who is so many of us revere her soars triumph and soul crushing challenges are etched in our minds and hearts as they are in her own. i can't add to the headlines of history books, so i'll speak more personally. i came into her orbit in 2007 when she first ran for president. and it was through richard holbrook a former boss and force of nature who was determined to get her elected. i'll always be grateful that he pulled me into that campaign. fast forward three years later, i was working at state department when devastating news came. holbrook then the u.s. special representative for afghanistan and pakistan had suffered a
catastrophic aortic rupture during a meeting in secretary clinton's office he was rushed into surgery as colleagues, friends, and world leaders held vigil. when worst happened, there were group of us standing in quivering clump in hospital lobby e crying and rem innocences in walk secretary clinton, it was after 9 at night, that day she held meetings up in ottawa and hosted the entire washington >>matic core for holiday party. after a comforting the family we expected she would be with to rest and mourn in private having lost one of her closest aids. instead, she stayed -- with us a staff at a loss of what to do. sarkt clinton demonstrated to us her act in a crisis let's all go a bar she said. [laughter]
and for hours -- she sat she had us all laughing with how he emerged from a about can on her plane wearing pair of footy po jam ma and tell stories how did you first meet him? she was patient, curious, and totally engageed. she focused not on her grief but all all of ours when we considered inviting her to have the arthur from right lecture i realized not everyone would think of her obvious choice so i revisited a memo that collected her human rights accomplishment as secretary of state. it was 24 pages long with detailed specific and consequential achievements on every region of the world. [applause] rereading brought tear it is my eyes thinking of the frog now in jeopardy. and what might have been.
just last week the term reproductive rights was expunged from state department annual human rights report. this memo included a whole section on protecting internet freedom then novel concept that hillary clinton made mainstream. she established it as globally recognized human right through groundbreaking speeches, meticulously constructed and argued so a chapter in lbgt right where is she did the sail proclaiming gay rights are human right the, at the united nations for the first time. [applause] points in there on defending free speech at the u.n. and europe and muslim world on protecting human rights defenders, of course, advancing women's rights. iprereligioned to work on effortses like rallying governments to tackle homophobicking violence and prejudice and forging compromise to blunt calls for a global band
on insults to religion. her leadership was instinctive and unflinching as what a florida pastor threatened to burn a qur'an trig arered a riots as far offer as afghanistan she condemned him in the strongest possible terms yet recognized that the first amendment did not allow him to be -- producted or punished. no records perfect. but there can be no question that her efforts helped secure the freedom to write for tens of millions worldwide. [applause] her approach deeply researched titlely reasoned speeches and statements, marshaling facts, potent words invoking president and history all to advance rights is at the essence of the america mission to use our powers of speech to enable and
safeguard those of others. the idea that words can change the world and that the freedom write underpins all over liberties. this room is living testament to the power of words. in february 1860 abraham lincoln came to the very stage to give the distinguished lexture that launched natural political career his was inaugural freedom to write lecture before a pen or arthur miller his address -- became famous not for his charisma nor his fancy turn of praise -- as his part or anywhere put it then no formerrer effort in the line of speech making had cost lincoln so much time and thought as this one. he had gone and examined the views of 39 to the constitution about slavery as profound issue of rights as our nation has ever confronted. he analyzed hair statement and
actions to mount an airtight case that the founding fathers recognized the federal government's power to regulate slavery in new territories. so now, at a time when the media, facts, truth, and words themselves are being debate, lincolns echo reminding who's we come to event the like the pen world voice festival it is not just to listen and learn. but to stirred to action. in 2018, the freedom to write is not just a tagline but a rallying cry. hillary clinton and abraham lincoln share a craving for justice for propose above all a readiness to give forth every ounce of intellect our energy for what they believe. a time like these, we depend on those who have that enate unreare lengting kownch to help
summon the same from deep within the rest of us. to use their words to kendle our conscience. as lincoln said let us stapgd by our duty fearlessly and effectively neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us. now, hillary clinton knows something about that. [laughter] he went on let us have faith and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it. let's face it. our faith in this country that right makes might have been shaken over the last 18 months. but as lincoln points out, that belief can not be a static article of faith. it's wrath arer a call to duty. only by fulfilling that duty can his harkening to faith be
vindicated. as defenders of the freedom to right we in the america have a duty to stand vigilant to storm the barricades, to mobilize others because the more we rouse, the more robust our defense. at the end lincoln's cooper union address are the crowd exploded into wild cheering wave hats and hank chiefs with that image in mind, and no further adieu i offer our former senator and secretary of state hillary clinton. [cheering and applause] >> thank you.
thank you all. thankthank you very, very much. thank you. [cheering and applause] thank you. thank you, thank you, it's such a great honor to be here and i want to start by thanking suzanne. i had the privilege of following her career over the years including as she said, working alongside her at the state department. and you will not find a more passionate champion for human rights, free expression and diplomacy. and i'm thrilled that she is at the helm of this important organization at this time. you know, just a few minutes after i -- complete some remarks, i'm going to have a conversation with
someone else who shares that passion. chimanda -- who will be talking with me about some of the issues that are on all of our minds because this ten world voices is particularly important this year. it should go without saying, but i'll say it. celebrating and protecting the power of the written word is more important at this moment than any time in recent history. and this year's theme resist and reimagine goes right to the heart of why we are at such a critical time. you know i was thinking as i was preparing to come here tonight about the name sake for this lecture arthur miller a long time pen leader who said so many
important and thought provoking things. but one in particular struck me because it had such a vivid image the am l cannot be statistic become on the tree of knowledge once we're to see we are doomed to seek the strength to see more not less. miller wrote that in 1964. now that was long before the internet, social media, cable news. but it was during at time in american history, and while he may not have envisioned all of that technology and the changes and delivering information the sentiment still apply. seeing more has its challenges. today the constant barrage of information swirling around us
can make it difficult to focus digest, prioritize. but it also opens up the world and the more we with see, the more we are able to recognize and appreciate. the increasing complexity of the problems we face. and hopefully find ways to solve them. consider what happened at a starbucks in philadelphia a few weeks ago. someone witnessed an injustice and took out a phone to document it. millions of views later, it got the world's attention and sparked a very public important conversation. now starbucks is beginning to close 8,000 stores and hold racial bias training for 175,000 workers. now, that won't fix all systemic racism. but it is certainly a positive
step. arthur miller also said i think that job of the artist is to remind people of what they have chosen to forget. that's what starbucks is doing. that's what the people in this room and your members across the country do every day. you help us see more and remind us of what we have chosen to forget. to plays an pow e try, journalism, books, essays and articles you shine is a light on the human condition, help us understand more about the world around us. challenge us to understand experiences different than our own and reminding us of the important of the evidence based facts.
[applause] you know, you are artist and truth tellers that may not always make us comfortable. in fact, sometimes it is your job to make us uncomfortable. and as someone who has been on the receiving end of some of those books and essays and articles over the years i can attest to that. but -- it does ring to mind a quote that we all learned in school which we probably should pull out and display prom voluntary i disapprove of what you say but defend to the death to say it so the mission of pen did offend free expression. has never been more urgent. we are living through an era unpress deputied threats to free speech, open discourse, and the
rights of marginalized communities. according to freedom house an organization dedicated to protecting free speech and human rights around the world 2016 was the lowest point for global press freedom in over a decade. 2017 was one of the most dangerous years on record to be a journalist. 18 journalists were killed and a record number were imprisoned. as we gather here tonight there are 189 journalists in prison around the world. and the stories are chilling. two reporters while alone and jasu held without bail for investigating the brutal genocide of the rohinja people in mexico journalist covering country eetion drug war have been killed and imprisoned not
only by drug cartel but by corrupt officials. in turkey, at least 5 news agencies 62 newspapers, 16 television channels, 29 publishing house hoes houses have been shutdown since the cue in 2016 and wikipedia has been permanently blocked. in china journalist face most harshest censorship anywhere and in russia a little less than a week ago, a journalist who had been investigating the country's military activities in syria died mysteriously after falling from the window of his fifth floor apartment. the latest incident in a disturbing pattern. putin is russia is an epicenter of a cowardly war on the free press that had dangerous and
deadly consequences for democracy. all because putin and his fellow dictators are afraid to brave the scrutiny that a free press brings. they claim they're being strong. but their fear of being challenged proves the opposite. only brittle regimes and dictators are so afraid of being challenged. but need i say -- this isn't a problem that's relegated to other parts of the world. right here in america, press rights, journalism and free speech are under open assault in the most parollous position i've seen in any lifetime. i love when suzanne was talking about lincoln's remarkable speech here in cooper union and 1860 where he -- did go back and research our founders those who debated and -- wrote and signed the constitution.
well those founders spent a lot of time talking about the necessity of a free press. thomas jefferson famously said our liberty depends on the freedom of the press and that cannot be limited without being lost. and then franklin writing or for the paper said that freedom of speech is a principle killer of a free government when this support is taken away the constitution of a free society is dissolved and john adams called freedom of the press essential to the security of the state. well today we have a president who seems to reject the role of a free press in our democracy although obsessed with his own press coverage he evaluates it not on whether it provides knowledge or understanding but solely on whether daily coverage helps him and hurts
his opponents. he has referred to the media as an enemy of the people. she's suggested that broadcast licenses of some news networks should be challenge haded. he wants to block cnn to at&t for the same reason. and he has repeatedly threatened amazon because jeff bezos owns washington post. a newspaper defying odds and showing what many thought was a dying business model can be a success. with good reporting and innovative use of technology. now given his track record is it any surprise that according to latest round of revelation he joked about throwing reporters in jail to make them talk. and it doesn't stop there. this administration has also tried to gut the national endowment for the arts. national endowment for the
humanities the institute of museum library science and corporation for public broadcasting. as suzanne has pointed out the reason for doing this can't be fiscal. since combined, they make up less than 100th of one percent of the federal government. federal budget instead attacks are are a clear attempt to undermine the american ideals of self-expression, knowledge, did i decent, criticism and truth and perhaps most of the most jarring developments, one that should set off alarm bell withs for anyone concerned about freedom of speech was the announcement just a few weeks ago that the department of homeland security will begin monitoring the activity of reporters and media professionals. it's not a coincidence that copies of george 1984 and
margaret atwood the hand made tail are flying off the shelves it's a warning. for anyone who thinks our country is not vulnerable to propaganda or attempt to suppress free expression you only have to look at the 2016 election. which was a case study in the weaponnization of false information and outright lyings against our democracy. we now know that russian agent little used facebook, twitter, google, youtube even pinterest -- [laughter] i still am trying to figure that one out. but they use these very well traffic sited to place targeted attack ads and negative stories intended not only to hurt me but more importantly and lastingly to fan flame of division within
our society. they pose as americans prepgding to be gun rights and black lives act vision and held phony demonstrations. mow, the russian disinformation campaign was successful in part because america's natural defense worn down by powerful interest that want to make it harder for us to distinguish between fact and fiction and abetted to some degree by the way politics has been covered. we are lifing through an all out war on truth, facts, and reason. when leaders deny things we can see with our own eyes like the size of a crowd at inauguration -- [applause] or -- when they refuse to accept
settled science when it comes to urgent challenges like climate change, it's not just frustrating to those of us who try to live in a -- fact based universe. it is the beginning of the end of freedom. and that's not hyperbole that's what authorration regimes throughout history have done. trying to control reality not just our laws and policies but our thoughts and belief. this really matters because if our leaders lie about the problems we face, we will not only never solve them. we will no longer know what to believe. it matters because is underminds government as a whole which breeds cynicism and anger. and it does matter because our country was founded on those
principles of the enlightenment in particular the belief that people possess the capacity for reason and critical thinking and that free and open debate is the life blood of democracy. we not onlyshot we must not bopped the fundamental ideals instead we should revere protect, and promote them in everything we do. for years, america has a free press and protecting the first amendment, the fact that our leadership is going backwards seeds a message to the world that maybe these rights aren't so sacred afterall. potentially opening the door for authoritarian regime to go even further than they already have, knowing america may not be there to push back and serve as that example.
the good news is open and diverse society is opposite of and antidote to a close society where there's only within right way to think, believe, and act. i saw this firsthand as secretary of state, places on earth that have an open free press and where journalists are safe, even when taking on powerful people those are places where women and minority groups are safer. environmental concerns are addressed and democracy is stronger that's why we made advancing human rights, freedom of expression and internet freedom priorities. i believed then and believe even more fiercely today that this is where america needs to lead and since we don't have an ally in the white house, we have to do everything we can as citizens. earlier this month we saw a
tangible example of the decline in independent news sources across the country. when the sinclair broadcast group the country's biggest owner of local tv stations required hundreds of affiliates to reare site same onair editorial about one sided, fake stories -- yet, we know, and research has shown -- that local stations brought by sinclair actually reduce their coverage of local politics. because their goal is to shift the ideological tone of their coverage to the right. and in this case, in support of the current administration. but it can't only be journalist who is stand up and speak out. we all can do more. we can subscribe to newspapers. we can call out actual fake news when we see it. and speak out against it.
we can support libraries and schools that teach media literacy to young people and empower them to be thoughtful readers and consumers of news. we can support innovative ideas like the report from america initiative a new collaboration that draws on programs like the peace corps., teach for america, and public media, and aims to help get 1,000 journalists in local newsrooms over the next five years. and for anyone who is wongd whearg more we can do, can america has put together a fantastic list that should be required reading for everyone who is worried. i find when one is worried finding some action to take does diminish the worry. because these are hard times for everyone who cares about democracy and human rights. but despite everything, we've
seen courageous reporting and journalists are writing and latest pulitzer prizes are given out we how journalist transformed our conversation and sparked massive social change. american journalists have cast a bright light on sexual harassment and assault. exposed corruption brought attention to attempts by this it administration to erase data on everything from climate change to women's health. journalists have poured over financial records, bills, and tax return when is they can get to them to and for to educate people about who is running our country. and some media outlets have even taken the brave step of publicly examining issues issues that ple their newsroom and reporting especially during it election season. now, this is laudable and very important.
because we know from some recent studies what the alternatives look like. the study of media coverage by harvard berkman klein center and reviews analysis have den a good job in documenting the coverage of the 2016 campaign. showing how the mainstream, political coverage was influenced by the right wing media ecosystem and other factors to depart from normal journalistic stardz. ...
perhaps because the races were close and more exciting, but i believe it also reflects an effort to avoid the errors that help mr. trump to the white house. i hope we will see more of this the reviews to go. this last week, i sat down with four people, women journalists who are also activists, truth seekers, truth tellers, calling attention to what is happening in our world, especially because of the rise of strongmen who are curtailing freedom and democracy. one is reporting on abuses by the russian government, another is exposing human rights but violations in georgia. another has been sounding the alarm for years about what's happening in turkey. there's a rising tide of authoritarianism. the fourth is calling out corruption in china. each of these remarkable women
describe the repression they faced some of the threat of physical danger, the grave personal risks, but their commitment to standing up for free speech, free expression, a quality, a free press, ideas considered by powerful people to be subversive, radical and even dangerous is unwavering. the matter what they face they have refused to give in or allow their voices to be silenced. and so must we. my good friend and predecessor madeleine albright. [applause] has just published a book called fascism, a warning. madeleine knows of what she speaks, having as a child to
first.for use in czechoslovakia and after the war returning home only to have to flee from the communists. she believes in them marrow of her bones the importance of educating ourselves about what happens when freedom is slowly eroded. professor timothy snyder at el wrote first a little book shortly after the election called on tierney. his expertise is in the forma former soviet union and eastern europe, particularly between the first and second world wars. he has just come out with a new book called the road to unfreedom. these are not alarmist people. they are thoughtful scholars, public officials who have given great thought to what is
happening in our own country. so, just as arthur muller wrote all those years ago, we have to seek the strength to see more, not less. we have to find our voice in whatever way we are most comfortable to speak out. suzanne quoted the end of lincoln's speech. it's worth hearing again because although it was a very different time in our country was facing the most serious crisis in its history, the words of warning and the call to action should be heard and acted upon today. he ended his quite scholarly, more than one hour speech about how the federal government have the right to
control the spread of slavery by starting a paragraph saying human nature doesn't change, but human actions can. and then ended the glorious speech by saying let us have faith that wright makes might. in that faith, let us to the end there to do our duty as we understand it. if nothing else, think about your duty as you understand it. for those who cherish and practice the freedom to write, think about how best you can use your talents and skills and experience and fulfill your duty on behalf of freedom and human rights, on behalf of
the bedrock values of the united states, for the rest of us, do not be intimidated or bullied into not speaking. i've had some experience with that as well, and i know for sure that everyone's voices need to be raised at this time. so, i leave you with a note of gratitude for the shredding i work they do and a big thank you for all you do, each and every one of you to protect the essential freedoms that underpin our country, our society and our democracy. do not grow weary, be sustained by the energy that the truth can give you, and as
[applause] >> thank you. >> it is such an honor to me too be sitting here with you, and i have to say when i said hello i had to try very hard not to get emotional. i almost feel like i'm getting emotional now. i think your speech is proof that you would have been a damn good president. [applause] >> i think that the source of my feeling emotional and feeling something is just that
i can't believe this is what we don't have and i can't believe what we have instead. but, i want to start by talking about in your memoir, living history, you wrote a quote, i'm not the sort of person who routinely pours out her deepest feelings. i'm hoping this evening will be different, that you pour out your deepest feelings to me, but more seriously, i wondered about that because i realize what you are describing is your nature, but i wondered whether you think that you might have had to develop that reserve even if you had been born with that because of the experiences that you've had as a public figure. >> think that's a really good way of asking the question because i do think it's a
combination of perhaps my innate reserve, my temperament , and the experiences i've had which have, by and large, no grounds for complaint but have been somewhat taxing and in the political round quite brutal from time to time, but i think it's also the age in which i was raised and became a young woman, and it's hard to separate out all these different factors so although i was fortunate to have parents who in encourage me too follow my interest and get an education and speak up, yet in the atmosphere growing up in the 1950s and the early 1960s, that was challenging for young woman and so, we
were pretty much taught from an early age that the worst thing you can do, if you're going to try to be competitive and try to go farther, in my case than my mother or other people's experiences would lead, you can't show your emotions. you can't be angry, you can't cry, you can't do a lot of the things that are part of natural human responses and in my book, what happened, i have a whole chapter on being a woman in politics i use some examples from my own life and others as well to try to walk that line is still more challenging for women in my own experiences in my own temperament added to that. >> so just before the elections, i wrote a piece about you and they feel humanly at like to read a few paragraphs and talk about it. when i sent of this piece it
was titled, i titled it why is hillary clinton so widely loved? but i'm going to read two very short paragraphs. >> we do not see often enough the people who love hillary clinton, who support her because of her qualification rather than her on qualification and emphasize with her yet millions of americans, women and men love her grit and intelligence and industrialists. she until they feel loyal to her. they will but with enthusiasm for her. human beings change as a group but a person's history speaks to who she is. there are millions who admire the tapestry of her past. the student commencement speaker at wellesley making
the impossible possible, but yell law student interested in the rights of migrant farmworkers, the lawyer working with the children's defense fund, trying to make health care accessible for all americans, there are people who love how cleanly she slices through policy layers, how thoroughly she digests the small print, they remember that she won two terms of the united states senate where she was not only well regarded but was known to get along with republicans. [laughter] shocking. they have confidence in her. there are people who see the coverage she too often receives. there are people, who in the quiet human way which are well.
there are people who, when hillary clinton becomes the first woman to be president of the united states will weep from joy and so i was struck by how much back-and-forth happened with the editing. i was told we can't have that title and i said why can't we. it's an opinion piece, that's what i think. really, but i remember being struck, i mentioned the people on your behalf, i am one of those people, but until then i hadn't quite realized how much, it just seemed. [inaudible] in the end that was changed because somehow i was silenced , i was censored. i want to talk to you about
how do you keep going on? knowing that constantly the discourse around you became about likability and who likes and who doesn't like and i kept thinking who the hell cares, she qualifies. [applause] so even now that you're not running, you said something very different but it seems to me that repeating a truth about you, they take on some sort of potency and i wonder about you thinking is she okay, how is she because really, tell me about that.
>> to some extent this is a bit of a mystery to me as well. for 25 years, ever since i've been in the public spotlight nationally there has been a very concerted effort to just attack me, spread falsehoods about me and the like, which, i knew it was going on, and they do take a toll. they take a toll not only on me but they take a toll on people with views about me because when you have so many absurd lies being propagated about you, you come to know that even when they are easily disputable there is a lingering doubt. i will say this, clearly as i
feel it, i've not done or figured out a way to combat that effectively. i felt so terrible during this last campaign when so many people who supported me literally had to hide their support. they joined groups on facebook and immediately just a swarm of critics would descend upon them and make terrible terrible accusations against them because they were supporting me and so it moved into a hidden sanctuary so people can say i really support her or i really agree with her. i don't know why i provoke that kind of overreaction and so many of the accusations against me are so absurd but
in retrospect when i was writing the book and doing research, not people believed that. they believed the most outlandish, ridiculous stories that i was running a child trafficking ring out of the basement of a pizzeria. [laughter] you laugh, but people believed it because it was weapon iced and it was delivered to people who knew might be affected. just the other day i looked at it analysis on what were the three stories that led people who had supported president obama to either not vote or stay at home or vote for third party or maybe even voting for trump but most stayed home and
didn't vote on voted third party. the three were that i was dying. that was a very constant theme. you may not have seen it but it was very much in the atmosphere. the second was that the pope had endorsed trump, and the third was that i was supplying weapons to isis. why do people believe that? partly because those stories are delivered in a way that looks like news. i don't blame voters, i don't blame people who receive that on their twitter feed or however they received it and even when contrary information is presented, i haven't died yet, thankfully. [applause] and the pizzeria didn't even
have a basement. [laughter] you just have to wonder, how do we stop this? obviously i'm concerned because we are living in a time where information can be so powerful, and if it's wrong or intended to influence you to do something that is not reality -based, but based instead on propaganda, that's a problem and we have to deal with it going forward. >> it seems to me the reason you have chosen to keep speaking. >> i'm so happy you made that choice. i want to talk about the connection between free speech and feminism. return about free speech here, but what about this idea that often the response you get is
one of silence where people constantly have said since the election you need to be quiet, you need to go away, and i'm talking about people on the right and the left. often people on the left who should know better. i can't help but read that as a feminist issue. there are some things that are not about feminism, maybe just two things in the world but this in particular instruct about how a lot of the narrative, when your book came out and i took my time and i read, i found myself being disappointed actually they people on the left who should know better thing you need to be silent, you need to go away and about the future and i
found myself thinking maybe we could bring the 6 million votes she got and whoever runs can bring in a few more, so the point being, i'm so happy not being silent. i want you to talk about the decision not to be silent and how you deal with the constant barrage of attempts to silence you. >> i found this also very curious. to the best of my memory, no man who ever lost the presidential election was ever told to shut up and go away. [applause] and, and very glad they weren't because each had pointed view and experiences that were worth hearing about. have given a lot of thought to this and i do conclude, and as
a fair write about it in my book, that there is this long history of trying to silence women. literally, in literature in the western canon, it goes back to the odyssey where penelope is holding the whole country together while odysseus is taking his time getting back and so she's raising their son so their son, there's a very telling scene where all of the usual others are hanging around, hoping she will finally decide her husband is dead and marry one of them so they can take over and he's now about 17 so he's a young man and his
mother comes down as she always did to greet people and listen to their complaints and continue being the glue that held the country together. her son greets her by saying mother, go back upstairs, speech is not for women and the really terrific classic professor who some of you know , mary beard, but if you don't, look her up, she has just written a book about women in power in which she traces this whole will of being quiet, don't speak up. for everyone who said that was just a hillary clinton problem , people would be interviewed and save course i would vote for women, just not that woman, and now in the last year end half what are we
seeing, elizabeth warren ordered off the floor of the senate by mitch mcconnell. i was in the senate for eight years, i never saw that. she was reading a letter from loretta scott king about jeff sessions and he told her to stop and she had every right not to stop and when she didn't he had her taken off the floor and one of her male colleagues came to the floor and began to look read the letter no one said a word. kamala harris was doing her job was basically told to stop talking, don't do that. this is not about one woman and one election. this is a very serious
challenge for women speaking up or speaking out and assuming positions of power and influence. when i hear that, i hear the echoes going back thousands of years and i hear the unfortunate belief that people still have that women's voices are not particularly appealing , that women's words are not important, and in my case it was also because a lot of the same people who said don't talk did not want to face what happened in the 2016 election. getting me off the stage was a way of ignoring everything that had gone on and i come at it very differently. if we don't understand what happened in that election we are doomed to see it repeated. i think it's a combination of factors at work.
>> i sense a fundamental optimism about you. are you optimistic about where america is going? i asked that because of where it is right now because i think quite personally that there's been a great damage done to america's moral authority and i believe will take a long time demand that. are you optimistic and you think there's reason to be optimistic. >> i am fundamentally optimistic. i believe there is enough strength and resilience, not only in american institutions but in the american people to
see us through but i don't take anything for granted. our moral authority and therefore our leverage in the world has been diminished. that is the precious resource we are squandering and it will take a time to learn about the the divisiveness in our own country and unwillingness for people to work together to solve problems and find common ground, you said i worked with republicans well, i did because part of the time i was in the majority and part of the time i was in my minority and i thought my job was to further the interest of the people of new york.
[applause] what i tried to do was create background. when i got elected and 2000 the majority leader for the republican gave an interview and said maybe lightning will strike her and she won't show up. i showed up. by the end of my time before going to the state department he gave another interview and he said she was really great to work with and i needed their help after 911 to get the resources needed and they needed my help after katrina. >> on a lot of critical issues that didn't raise everybody's ideological partisan hackles,
we were able to find background. it's much harder now you have a president that you don't know what he's going to tweet or what he's going to do, to have any strategy from the republican or the democratic side, you do the best of him. we are moving into an area where are m automation and robotics will wipe out millions of jobs. where totally unprepared for that. healthcare has still not been resolved so people can afford i it.
america's interest will be undermined and what we stand for rds. there's a long list of climate change and human rights that people should be focused on and say i'm not gonna believe people who think compromise is a dirty word or put their commercial ideological or religious interest in front of the interest of the united states of america and the effort. [inaudible] >> amen. [applause] >> you describe the president, it's difficult for me too say his name as an undimmed view.
thinking about you going there , god bless you, i wouldn't have but just in looking back, what do you think about the fact that 52% of white women voted for this president. i say that because we know, he had shown us what he wants. we knew it wasn't just "access hollywood" tapes, it was a way of being and doing and i think a lot of democrats, many who stayed home were so sure you were going to win.
[inaudible] think the democrats who stayed home just thought you would win and no one would vote for him but then people didn't vote for him and the majority of women who were white order for him. i ask you this because your white woman but also because in her memorial they write many of the women she spoke to when she was campaigning for you during your first campaign for president many of the white women were very similar to you. educated, middle-class, about your age and you were struck by that. reading about trump, i wonder if this was the same woman who ordered for him and she wrote that she tried to humanize you to them because they thought you were cold or to ambition
for all of these things. is that something you think about. >> of course i do because white women have been steadily voting republican for decades. i got a slightly higher percentage of white women than president obama got to have moved toward the republican party for a lot of reasons in 2,002,004 there were reasons i had to do with the 911 attack. in 2008 and 12 president obama had an amazing campaign and turned out so many people of
color that the fact that white women were not voting for him was not quite as salient. in my case that a majority of college educated white women and it was exactly because these were the women who are most worried by what they had seen of trauma during the campaign, but for other women particularly those who moved toward the republican party, there's a combination of explanations. they didn't think he would be as bad as they said. i was political rhetoric that he would bring real change. as i say, when you run to succeed at two-term president of your own party it's always an uphill struggle. i think there were a number of factors at work in that, but what we have seen after the election starting with the
women's march and going into the political races of the last year end a half, we've seen college-educated suburban women moving away from the republican party because of the performance they have now been able to watc watch. >> you wrote that two of the most difficult decisions of your life were staying married to bill clinton and running for senate in new york. would you include running for president. >> yes, i would. i had not even thought about running for political office myself until 1998 when daniel patrick moynihan said he was going to retire and
immediately people started calling me from new york asking me if i would run because giuliani had said he was going to run my friends in new york thought he will attract a lot of attention and get a lot of money but we have to have somebody who can compete with that and i said no for months. i thought it was a really far out idea. i told this before but it really was the turning point because delegations of new yorkers would come to see me and say if you run will give you the support, but i felt very uneasy about it, and until i was actually in new york and i is going to a high school here to help launch a series about women in sports my friend billie jean king and others were there as part of the program and the title was
there to compete. i was introduced by this young woman who was the captain of the volleyball team, she was very fit and happy and terrific looking and gave a nice introduction to me so i went up and i have a lookup and she had been down so i said that was wonderful, thank you for that very generous introduction and then she said to me there to compete mrs. clinton, dare to compete. i felt like all of the worries that i've had, i had to face them. eventually i decided to run
and it was a great campaign and i loved being a senator. around 2006 people started coming to me saying you should run for president and again i was pretty unconvinced. i thought i can't even think about this but people cap confronting me and i had a say to myself do not want to do it or are you afraid of doing it. i concluded i was afraid of himself that were the reason then i was going be somewhat hypocritical going around telling everybody, particularly women to get out there and run if i was afraid to do so i began to think seriously about doing it. >> you have also made many choices for love.
in reading about your life, i was thinking about what if you hadn't gone to arkansas very early on. i spend a lot of time being very protective about you and in my mind i call you my auntie so you are anti- hillary and when people talk about your personal life i find it very irritating. having read quite a bit of your own writing about your life i think you have a marvelous love story. seems to me that you have just this wonderful friendship, however, i have to say i'm guilty of being interested in your personal life. and the one question i have about that is about your twitter account. the first word that describes you is wife on your twitter account and then mom and grandmother and when i saw that, i have to confess i felt
just a little bit upset and then i went and i looked at your husband's twitter account and the first word was not husband and i wanted to ask first of all if this was your choice, something that you wanted to do or something that maybe somebody thought would be good for the campaign and if it's your choice, whether you think it's best for me too have been a bit annoyed by it. >> when you put it like that is going to change it. [laughter] [applause] there is always, for me, i'll speak to myself but it's broader than just me, there's always this internal conflict when you are very committed to
your relationships, your family, parents and siblings and obviously my husband and my daughter my grandchildren and your own identity and how you both feel about yourself and describe yourself. yesterday i went to barbara bush funeral and she gave a very heartfelt speech at wellesley in 1981 in which she said, at the end of the day it will matter if you got a raise or if you wrote a great book or if you are not someone who values relationships. she got a standing ovation after a lot of concern and some protest about her being
invited to come speak. it shouldn't be either or. if you are someone who is defining yourself by what you do what you accomplish, and that is satisfying the more power to you that is how you should be thinking about your life and living it. if you are someone who primarily defines your life and relationship to others, then more power to you and live that life the way barbara bush lived about life and how proud she was to do it. i think most of us, as women in today's world end up in the middle, wanting to have relationships and invests, but also pursuing our own interest.
been pretty damn good president and then mom and grandma. you told a story about a little girl who bullied you and you came in crowning and she said go back there and if she hits uu have your permission to hit her back. they were also talking about your most recent campaign and whether you, did you hit back. >> and now think i didn't. in the book i rate of about one particular incident. i think about the debate stage , people are always thing you need to talk about the mistakes he made. i've been pretty forthcoming about that, but one of the mistakes was that it was
really difficult to figure out how to deal with the first reality tv candidate in a reality tv campaign. i've been around people who run for president, i've supported them, married bun, worked for another, so i was used to, the norm is where you lay out what you're going to do any defendant and at some point, usually in the debate one of the questioners will really try to pin you down. you say you want to get universal healthcare coverage, how are you going to do it. we didn't really get a lot of that in this campaign because the overwhelming story was my candidacy and his behavior. on the debate stage. i remember so well they were
dad i did practice to say what i wanted to say in the short amount of time you are given. this is what the president looks like, are you guy who is going to overpower people. [inaudible] [applause] by then i had had enough experience that the coverage would have been that she can't take the pressure or she got angry and i'm always amazed in the press that she was she was stil so angry. it's like you haven't seen nothing yet everything that is valid angry.
i was expecting myself to comment and i was saying ages has become and in control because ultimately with the countries wants is someone who will not be blowing up in the oval office. they want somebody who can deal with the problem. you know that did not work out so well. i did think about that. >> i remember thinking people would say e-mail. why would they want people who they don't have any idea what the hell they're talking about. >> do you sometimes feel that i find it so frustrating because they feel like this is rubbish.
always say great one or warrior. my mother is five years older than you are. for women of her generation in my generation and women in between across the world, i remember how those issues of human rights and women's rate just resonated. i hope you remember actively how much you mean too so many people. [applause] in some ways it's sort of like a crucible of all these
issues. i was reading about your name and you had a take on clinton because if you didn't then you husband the want to win the election. [inaudible] whether or not those things are resolved, i think there's been a bravery which you've dealt with many things i continue to inspire people so i just want you to remember especially when the ball should happens. >> i appreciate you saying that it is part of the reason why i'm still out here talking so much because, and writing and doing whatever i can to stand up because i really don't want to disappoint people who supported me and
that's how i try to deal with it all. >> we hope you keep talking. [applause] actually, i remember when you are slighted in the woods afield times and i thought about going to upstate new york and wandering around in the woods and meeting you but i'm glad that i met you here. please keep speaking. you look so great. your hair and makeup are on point. keep doing. >> thank you. [applause] [applause]
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