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consulting. "after words" is a weekly interview program with relevant guest host interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest work. >> host: ron kessler, your new book, you say that president trump's bravado, exaggeration and controversial comments, rather than the haphazard, our enemies to the end and use 80% of the time the staff says he's got a plan that he sticks with, 20% wakes up and goes a whole different direction. talk about donald trump the dealmaker. >> guest: he's like a boxer. he's always very intention, bobbing and weaving, kind of punching. it's all an act. i interviewed his top aide when she joined organization, there were only seven other employees. she knew it better than anybody on both the business and social
side. she said there are two donald trump's. one is the one you see on tv who makes these outrageous comments to get attention for his brand. even if it creates negative publicity he still becomes the center of attention every day both in conversation and for the media. but then there's the other donald trump, the one that insiders know bush is the opposite. these thoughtful, he listens, he's very careful about making decisions. the hispanic chamber of commerce during the campaign called for a boycott of his properties over his remarks about the border in mexico. a month or two later the head of it met with the donald, and in merged and he told cnn, my god, he was thoughtful, he listened. i was so surprised. that sums up the difference. >> host: you say in your book, this was a fascinating read by the way, the sometimes he's generous and supportive.
as you describe, other times he's their angry and abusive with staff. >> guest: yet, you know, he does have these tirades. when he was at mar-a-lago and martha stewart showed up one day, and as butler opened the door and him are the city think i could take tour of mar-a-lago? he said sure, , we'll set up for 3:00 the next day. donald came in and he told him and holds it great, take care of her. but then later in the day tony went to see it donald needs anything in his private quarters. donald just blew up and was screaming at him, you dumb ass him you should've scheduled it for when the club members will be here and they would see martha and martha would see them. just out of control. at that moment melania walk-in she said to donald, i don't think she's been talking to tony in that tone. that gives you a clue about the relationship that she will express her views.
he doesn't listen. the next day both tony and donald were in the living room at mar-a-lago and trump handed tony $2000 in $20 bills, dollar bills, would you believe. so that was his apology. on the one hand, he will fly off the handle. on the other hand, he will hold a grudge. just little snippet of our relationship. by the way, melania, one of the new items in the book is that she is really a powerful -- shook the city on meetings, offer her views. summarize what others have said, come up with a new strategy. i put on the record people like reince priebus saying that her judgment is impeccable, and that's the one thing i will agree on, that she is a class act. >> host: i found melania trump chapter fascinating, too. i was really glad that you put that down for more people to
absorb. you also talk, , you would backn that short chapter two when she appeared on howard stearns program and talked about wild sex every day and you talked about donald trump's quote about her proportion and her boobs. why did you put all that in one chapter on melania if you're trying to say that she's credible like that? >> guest: it sells books. i think everyone on the man site at least appreciates melania's at variance. >> host: when we do, too. >> guest: there you go. i've seen in a bikini at the pool at mar-a-lago, and she looks even more gorgeous in person. also when you see them together, you realize this is this is a e that is going to last. they are very involved with
discussions. they laugh and teeth with each other. i recently saw them, the night before new year's eve, the party that we went to come i wife pam and i is also a former "washington post" reporter at mar-a-lago, they were just having a very, very impassioned discussion and just having a wonderful time with each other. that marriage is going to last. >> host: so in the "washington post" back when watergate was hot topic, talk about your trajectory of your career writing 21 books now. what you think about the mainstream media and what do you think about book writing? >> guest: well, i was in "washington post" for 15 years. i sat next to woodward and bernstein during watergate. it was the "wall street journal" before that. started writing books. i just love exploring new areas
that are secretive, whether it's the cia, the fbi, secret service that are also powerful, but also important. i did a book on palm beach, that's i first met trump. i call that my midlife crisis. trump and my wife and i flew down to mar-a-lago and on the way down he imitated the nasal constricted challenge of the old guard the bluebloods condemning his club mar-a-lago because it admits blacks and jews. to this day some clubs and palm beach did not admit blacks and jews picky set of want to be loved and i enjoy sticking to the period that sums up everything about donald trump. he wants to be loved and enjoyed sticking it to whoever might be in his way. that is the essence of one donald trump. people seem on tv. they think they know everything
about him. they know very little. this book reveals details that it ever never come out about h, whether it's what he uses for hairspray or why he made decisions about hiring or not having people like romney, giuliani, tillerson, more recently john bolton. he thought he was too hawkish on the first go around. but he doesn't like these details, picky doesn't like people to know that he had about hundred dollar bills to senators and workmen as tips when asked him about that, in the only interview he says -- this took place the next four years each. i asked him about the one of dollars bills and he said what? who does that? who told you that? he was trying to obfuscate. he does want that out. he wants to this tough guy image, and any personal data
like that that might show that he's a very compassionate guy, doesn't want that out but it's in this book. >> host: wow. talk about your interview with the president. because it seems like from the book that might be about 11 questions. what are you most glad you asked him about and what looking back you wish to ask? >> guest: there's always a question you wish you would asked, but i hit on the major point in the book, whether it was the russian collusion allegations or what he thinks about robert mueller or the economy, the improvements. in the book you be seen as one of the greatest american presidents just like reagan who's also revered by the media and yet he got rid of the soviet union. he boosted the economy. the same with trump, the accomplishments, if you look at,
without a bias, on the economy, lowest unemployment rate in recorded history, lowest black unemployment rate in recorded history. booming stock market and then on the foreign affairs side, almost totally getting rid of isis, about to meet with the north korean leader, giving saudi arabia to go after radical islamic ideology. just remarkable for any president but certainly for the first year. and at the same time he has all these quirks and strange, bizarre tweets that make everyone twinge. i think every supporter cringes at some of his remarks that he makes. >> host: not like any president we've ever had. you know him and you've known for so long. talk about writing a book on a
menu no as a friend, and who is the president and you are an independent journalist with your own credibility. how do you balance that? >> guest: i made up my mind when about this book that am going to be a journalist first as i always have been and i don't care what he thinks. that's the only way to pursue a book, honestly. anybody who reads the book sees that. there are plenty of negative items, plenty of juicy tidbits but at the same time overall it is a favorable book towards trump. that's because it tells the truth. the book goes into a chapter called scam artist, the dishonest media. it's not just bias. it's real dishonesty were in one case the "new york times" had a story about -- a model had just met trump and he asked her to change out of her clothes. wow, unbelievable. the headline was crossing the line with women.
it turns out she had been invited to a pool party at mar-a-lago at the last minute and she didn't have time to go back and change into a bathing suit. she went to the party. donald took a liking to her. he offered to show her around the estate. he offered a bathing suit, do you want a bathing suit? yes. she was in the bathroom, put on a bikini, came out and started going out with them for quite a few months. but guess where the fact they went out together was in that story. the 16th paragraph, the 16th paragraph. the story portrayed as a demeaning encounter. she said he was wonderful, a gentle man. they were going together. to me it's like robbing a bank. it's so dishonest. when i was at the "washington post" during watergate i would've been fired if they did anything like that. absolutely no question. that something media has changed
and what i do is present specific examples, whether it's about the collusion allegations or any other issue. and on collusion, the "washington post" ran a story august 14 of last year which quoted e-mails that have been turned over by the white house to congressional committees among the various campaign aides, including manafort. this minor aid was trying to get them to go to russia and meet with russian leadership. manafort in the e-mail said no, we're not going to do this. deputy gates said no, we're not going to do this. manafort said we have to warn trump not to do this. and manafort said i want this guy to make sure that nobody in the campaign has anything to do with russians. >> host: i never read that intel and your book. have you seen it anywhere? >> guest: no.
it's ignored. it's ignored by the "washington post," and even the "washington post" story had eight headline trump aide tried to get aides to go to russia. the real story was trump eight still wanted anything to do with russia. that is the bottom line on the whole collusion story. >> host: let's talk about the media, because you do put a lot of examples in the book as you just described where they seem to have no bounds for discrediting, destroying, driving negative narratives on donald trump. it's as if for president trump he could do no wrong, but for donald trump he can do no right. what's your sense of what's driving this in the mainstream media that you are a part of? >> guest: first of all, there's a bias against republicans in general here with reagan he was portrayed as stupid or dangerous, the same thing with trump.
he is dangerous according to media. he just can't break out of that. they feel that if they did thery would be ostracized by their colleagues. for example, from people within the white house correspondents' dinner that among themselves they laughed laugh at him, thek him. that is the overriding theme. many people just inherently can't think independently, and that's one reason why i left college after two years like a few other people, michael bell and gates. i did want to be told how to think. i didn't want to be told how to read. i wanted to get firsthand what actually happened. that's the way it operated. i don't have blinders on. i like to penetrate secrets and that's what it done in this book with all these details about the real donald. >> host: that's excellent. actually a fun read.
so explain what happened with reince priebus and paul ryan and chris christie during the "access hollywood" important weekend for the campaign. what did they do and was there any repercussions from what they did later? >> guest: keep in mind the reince priebus went to debate, he still supported trump through the rnc. he didn't withdraw any support. >> host: but what did he say? >> guest: what did he say? let's see --, he said you can get out of the race or loose and huge plants like that you mention this in your book, i'm just reading. but that didn't, reince priebus was made chief of staff trench at same time trump never forgave him for saying that, which is unfortunate because trump, because reince priebus presided over so many of the successes including the deregulation which lead ceos to realize they can expand and hire more workers,
that they will not be restricted and constricted. a lot of other achievements that occurred underwent previous. but -- under reince priebus. one thing on the hollywood access to, hillary said it shows that trump is a coercive marauder, but actually what he is saying indicate is women are after all time and he takes revenge of that. when you're a a star they wantu to do that. so it's not, it's not nonconsensual activity. it is consensual activity that he describes. >> host: wow. well, you know, , it wasn't anything that really has happened in politics in my lifetime come in your lifetime. so we saw something that doesn't usually happen. usually it would be the death knell of the presidential
campaign, and paul ryan, the speaker, seem to act that way. looking back what is it that they didn't understand, whether it was reince priebus or paul ryan about the trump voter and the trump base, about these things about donald trump? >> guest: well, i think reince priebus did understand, but it is very hard for people in certain circles in the east and in the west to understand the average voter thinks. my home contractor, working-class person, said to me i don't care what trump says i just care about what he does. and that i think sums up the way people in the so-called working-class think. they have to be judged by results. if a carpenter nails and nail into a stead and its crooked, he
may be fired. a professor can go off about all kinds of things he's never held accountable. these people understand results, and that's what you see with donald trump. >> host: i see your point and that was great in your book. let's talk about palm beach. it was alien to me but you're right that behind the hedges, the gains at palm beach there are scams, murders, entry, jealousy, pretense, bigotry and occasional generosity make the scene is tv shows look like nursery tales. talk about how donald trump came into mar-a-lago and his whole personality, how we took that place and how it's resulted today. >> guest: trump for turnabout mar-a-lago from his limousine driver, and this was typical. he will go around asking people their opinions, whether they are chambermaid or secret service
agents. he has his advisers but he also has a wide canvas of people who give him opinions. as will is about 12 friends that he consults. i named it in the book. most of them are billionaires but that is the way he works. when i was at mar-a-lago recently with him, he asked him what i thought about israeli settlement. i know as much about the middle east that he knows about the talmud that i give you my opinion. that's the way he operates. he was enthralled by mar-a-lago and he bought it at bargain basement price. it was a white elephant. at first he used it as his own but then he decided to turn it into a club. that was the idea of his lawyer in florida who is jewish and said jews and blacks, other clubs to do that. they can be rough at making. and sure enough now that is
worth $7.5 million. donald's second wife was against turning it into a clue. she just wanted it for herself, and he went ahead with it. the one thing, she said he should have a spa so he created trump spa at mar-a-lago. as he says it's the closest thing to paradise you ever get to. it is simply unbelievable. it overlooks both sides of the island which is only about half a mile wide at the widest point. this culture is unique. it's the richest place in the world. it has these traditions, red cross ball, spends a lot of time at charities developing these balls. in the end they don't actually
produce that much money. one club member was married to a very wealthy real estate guy from italy, and eventually he died and left are about $300 million. well, she stored his body at the local funeral home for 40 days under ice as she said i wanted to enjoy the season, as they call it, the season. i was faithful to him, and now i want to enjoy myself and go to the parties, party on the yacht with i monitor. in fact, she said she will do the same thing to her second husband if he dies as well. >> host: wow. i don't think many spouses would go for that. but maybe in palm beach.
it's incredible. talk about the flag that he had a battle with palm beach people about down there. >> guest: donald erected huge, huge flag come just towering over mar-a-lago, towering over the street and the townshend this is against zoning regulations. he went to battle and said it was a free speech issue. he sued the town and they started fighting fighting him an amount of my everyday. eventually they settled and he agreed to move the flagpole further away from the street and to reduce the length of the flagpole. but guess what. he erected it on a mound that his workmen created so that in the end it was just as high as it was before. this is typical donald trump.
as he says, he always wins. not quite, but he usually does. the way he finagled to get the club approved by the cat is so typical of how he operates. on the one hand, his lawyer sent copies of gentle winds agreement and another similar movie to the town council members who were trying to prevent him from turning this into a club. implying that they are all bigots and that's why do against approving the club. at the same time he sued the town, and he invited these town council members to parties at mar-a-lago. he said with have these glamorous girls and he also played golf within antennas within. so uses they cared and the stick, and eventually it worked. mar-a-lago brings in almost $40 million a year. everybody wants to go there now. that sort of sums up the way
trump operates. >> host: do you happen to know if there are any lax or jewish members? >> guest: oh, yeah. my wife and i have been there dozens of times. we go to parties. we have dinner there. there are a large number of jews and a sprinkling of blacks, as members. >> host: wow. there must be repercussions way he boldly and brashly came into that place, and yet i guess they just enjoy the parties so much that they've gotten over whatever hurt feelings? >> guest: well, you know, in the end palm beach people like success and obviously he is successful. at first they sniff that he doesn't wear the traditional blue blazer. he doesn't have a traditional rolls-royce. instead he drives a lamborghini.
he is everything that palm beach hates, but now they had come to see that, an invitation to mar-a-lago is incredible. >> host: so his wingspan is gigantic in the sense that you saw so many working-class and ordinary citizens vote for him, maybe it was in contrast to hillary clinton, we may not know that, but some very wealthy people, as a wealthy person to himself, with ordinary americans. what you think about that? >> guest: on the one hand, his theme that people feel very strongly about, he is a patriot. the fact that he attacked capron act over his kneeling -- colin kaepernick overseen with the national anthem played resident with a lot of people. of course that was after the campaign but those are very fair
heartfelt feelings that most americans have. at the same time he's likable, he's very candid. he will make these side remarks and, for example, with the chinese leader, he was like i didn't get anything out of him. he is a peeling and people like that as well and that's quite different from hillary who, by the way, treated her secret service agent with sausage disdain. whereas trump and his family treat the agents with respect. i asked trump at mar-a-lago how do you like being protected by the secret service? and he said it's wonderful. i will have 20 agents and know the playing golf and they're all looking at different directions. if i've missed a shot they don't see it. by the way, baron is also very
respectful of his agents, unlike janet and barbara bush who would try to lose their agents, was nasty agents. and baron is a very gregarious guy. he will go around at mar-a-lago on the terrace where breakfast and dinner is served and he'll say enjoy breakfast, have a good day. just like trump. he's like a great maître d'. i have anecdotes about income for example, back to when baron was two years old, melania was feeding him a bottle on the plane and the pilot mike donovan walked back into the cabin. copilot was flying, and baron was having the bottle, , and ban took the bottle out of his mouth and said to mike donovan, want some, mike? >> host: that's amazing.
so talk about the codenames that secret service have for the first family tragedy the codenames with the secret service protect user generated by a computer randomly, and they get rid of some words that might be hard to understand or might be problems. but each protect you can choose his or her own word, and melania and trump have chosen their own words. trump is mogul, and dick cheney was -- know, dick cheney his wife was author. she was an author. the purpose is that with agents are speaking into the level mouthpieces and earpieces, that they don't want others to overhear who they are talking about and also they don't want to have confusion over the names. so if they have a particular name like eagle, which was
clinton, that's a very clear-cut name. >> host: great. you know, any white house has its warring factions at this white house seems to have a lot of them. and it reminds me of that parable about the elephant in the blind man, that for somebody trying to report and understand what's happening in any white house you have to have enough confidence that your touching all the parts of the elephant as a blind person come in, but do you feel confident that you are capturing and reporting on all the different warring factions, and who are they? ..
when you are getting the people who are with you, all through the day, that gives you i think the direct story and combine that with knowing trump for two decades and also knowing about the white house, secret service, all that came together so i think i deserve to present an accurate portrayal which says that he will be seen as one of the greatest presidents but at the same time includes all of the worth, all the tensions and personal details that make you understand how he thinks, how he operates. things he doesn't want you to know because he will throw this curtain over himself to present anybody from knowing anything besides his tough guy image >>.
>> host: what have you learned about the lessons from the people that have left the team already, whether they are staff or cabinet secretaries? what do you think? >> guest: about why they left? >> host: about why they left and what he's trying to clean up. one of the problems he sees that he doesn't want around him? >> guest: when they talk right now about resetting the white house and changing the direction of the aids, there is something to that. in the first go-round he would listen to a lot of recommendations . for example, condoleezza rice recommended tillerson but now he wants people he feels compatible with. that he is comfortable with. who are smart, who are basically on my wavelength. obviously they are not always going to agree but that is what he's going for and i think that will work out well
. >> host: why did he reach out to mitt romney? it was confusing to people after everything mitt romney said about trump. >> guest: romey was pushed by steve bannon and also priebus thought he would be a good idea and trump said he looks the part, trump is very vague on appearance as you might imagine he met with him and at first he was very unimpressed. he hadn't really prepared because he wasn't thinking he would get the job. they met a second time and he was prepared but in the end there were all these considerations about who had supported him, who was loyal and in the end, guiliani
wanted secretary of state, trump wanted him to the attorney general. he didn't want that. guiliani wasn't as big a supporter as sessions was. russians, they said sessions would be perfect so even though trump had reservations about sessions he did appoint him as attorney general and he still makes snide remarks about him even though sessions is doing a fantastic job as attorney general in terms of trump's agenda but those are some of the feelings that insiders have. >> host: but what about the difference between john kelly and reince priebus? >> guest: number one, trump had given kelly much more authority. he never really gave reince priebus the authority to be chief of staff so it was doing the wrong thing and they didn't have to go
through reince priebus. jelly kelly is supposedly the chief of staff and at the same time trump goes around him as well. at the end, trump's chief of staff and he will fret about any kind of restriction that kelly puts on him. he doesn't like it when kelly says you can't see the president unless you go through me. that's not very good. so there was always this friction that goes on. >> host: you also talk about kellyanne conway. you said that her job both as campaign manager and in the white house were in name only. there wasn't much substance there and that she was the number one leak or to the press. how was that going? because the people i came in contact with don't see it that way.
>> guest: she obviously is a brilliant commentator on tv in terms of presenting his policies. i have always admired her, i've known her a long time as well but when i interviewed her at the whitehouse and it was recorded she started lashing into colleagues and she apparently had forgotten she was on the record . she said these nasty things about reince priebus that were obviously untrue. and also about ivanka, but they are leaders, i didn't include what she said about reince priebus because when you put something like that in, even if you say it's untrue people start to believe it. but she also has said to me that they have seen text messages she has sent to reporters in which she leaks and makes disparaging remarks though it's a whole leak source and i call her the number one leakor in the white house . because of course nothing can be kept confidential, but
she's leaking national security information but it's very hard for a white house to operate if everything is leaked. >> host: you talk about her here and you said she's a trump whisperer but there's a lot of billionaires who are friends of president trump who have asked to be set up with her and that he refuses to do it. >> back about how it is except that she obviously is very likable. she's a big supporter of trump. she's beautiful. but she, i know this has not come out before she actually goes to cooperate with the person who wrote what i call a novel, mister wealth who wrote fire.. most of that is just fiction and i know steve bannon sent that stuff. the book shelves that when
the, when the remarks that trump made at the new jersey golf club. which were about charlottesville. that steve bannon thought he could be removed into the 25th amendment because of mental impairment. i was interviewing bannon at that time in the middle of the controversy. when trump was in new jersey and he said he talked to him twice on the phone and him on. he said it was wonderful what he was saying, don't retract and if you do the press will jump on you so this is one little example and a lot of other items that are obviously untrue. trump never wanted to run. that they were unhappy that they ran. she was in tears when they won. unbelievable.you saw how all those words he was and
how overjoyed trump was so it's just silly but some people want to believe that these things, they can't figure out the difference between truth and falsehood. but that's fine. when you elected to cooperate with them, he writes for these liberal publications like vanity fair. why would a conservative white house was to truck with an author like that? >> host: you talk about how president trump talks to the mainstream journalists. the new york times and washington post. there's a lot of reaching out to people who don't have his best interest in mind. what do you think about all that. >> on the one hand trump recognizes that these are the publications with a great impact so if he has a message to let out, he will call the new york times or the washington post but at the same time in his usual fashion there's always some
other message going on and that is he will attach those papers which is something that the base likes and that gets some attention. and so he uses a two track system. >> host: let's talk about the teflon age, who are they and do you think some of them have done some real damage? >> guest: obviously jared kushner and ivanka are well-intentioned. they do contribute some things. jared going to saudi arabia first during their trip to send a message to the arab countries. but they are both nacve and they have been responsible for the most disastrous and foolish decisions of the trump presidency, namely the firing of jim comey which led to the appointment of mueller
as special counsel. he thought this would be great because the democrats would like it . political, they thought this would be a way to get the democrats and it was the opposite. the democrats attacked trump over that. and they decided that scarab og would be the best person. they thought he would garnish their image, they are very image-conscious and they were responsible for doing this and for installing scarmucci and that has to be the worst hiring decision in the history of the white house but because they are family he's not going to fire them. he has a hard time firing people personally and he will have somebody else do it or make their lives miserable. and in the case of jared and ivanka, he does favor them. maybe you should go back to new york. or maybe they are problems but they are not leaving and that's why i call them the teflon aids.
>> host: okay. and the vice president, what's his role? in the book you say he has a neck of gettingin the background, thewoodwork . >> guest: whenever there is a controversy , he wraps some friendly comments. he goes into the woodwork, he's good at that but he obviously contributes tremendously on especially the legislative front and most important of all, he doesn't attract attention and that's very important to donald trump. >> has he learned how to work with him well? >> they have a good relationship and trump respects him. >> so with all the death threats and the hatred omitted by the left against president trump, talk about
the implications of that 26-year-old who got in over the fence and was in for quite a long time. it was revealed for a while . what is it about this culture and the personnel of the secret service that put president trump at greater risk? >> guest: the secret service has a very disastrous culture of laxness, covering up problems, agency report problems are essentially punished, they are not advanced. and they have this attitude of we make this, they're probably not spend money on the latest lasers to detect intruders atthe white house . you can imagine what kind of culture that might be. in 80 agency especially where the agents feel that they can't report real problems so this has led to one fiasco after another going back to prancing into steak dinners
even though they are not invited. obama never fired the secret service over that or other intrusions including gonzalez to walk all the way into the white house and the secret service lied about that and said he didn't get into the white house and he wasn't there even though he was. you can imagine source of agency line like that publicly and then there was this intrusion you mentioned where this individual was able to get through the windows of the white house and appear inside. and the new director appointed by president trump, mister this is just clueless. he was brought in thinking that he would change the culture. he's just bought into the culture and as the best example, he proposed to the white house diminishing the number of people who were protected. >> so family members andwhite house staff . taking protection away. it's to save money, can you
imagine? the whole budget of the secret service is $2billion and a lot of that is financial crimes investigation . what could be more important than protecting the life of the president? the assassination nullifies democracy. and yet he proposed saving money to take protection away. and family members and staff. it was mainly shot down by of course by a horrified white house staff but that tells you so much about why this guy needs to be replaced before a tragedyoccurs . >>. >> host: you said that president trump has someone else in mind. i can't remember how this guy ended up getting the job ? >> guest: trump wanted another individual who is now chief operating officer of the secret service, but it was the chief of staff mister kelly who was absolutely insistent that alice be
appointed. they knew each other from the north. just total disaster who was pretty much ignored by agents because they have to understand, you don't know what he's doing. >> let's talk about the trump resistance. i've never seen anything like what's out there outside these walls, both culturally and politically . so with all that's geared up against this man, what would happen if the right would have done this for president obama and developeda resistance across the culture, across legal lanes, across the political obstruction . it's just , there are these walls that seem to be tolerated in america. are we seeing the civility of legitimate election, a duly elected president being able to govern? >> if this were done with obama they would all be called racists.
and by the way, you remember that obama spent 20 years listening to reverend wright was an american, antiwhite, anti-israel. had him as the president officiated at his wedding, called him his mentor. can you imagine if donald trump went to one service like that and did not walk out immediately. he would be toast in the media a lot ofit has to do with the media and how they were trade everything . a lot of that i think has to do with you know, a lot of people just go alongwith the people that they know and friends . and some people just feel very sanctimonious. they feel good about themselves if they denounced some electronic. they think they look good if they do that. and others, you know, legitimately have those political views and i tried to keep far away from getting
into any arguments with any of my liberal friends and my liberal family members. i think it's like an ego trip to think that you can or should try to convince someone of your own political views. whereas i'm able to write and present political views that i, that may or may not comport with somebody else, but that's the age we live in now tactically go, look at thoseeconomic boycotts. they were trying to hurt him financially , even for the election and right after the election. they were trying to boycott anything by ivanka trump. the, as you said in charlottesville after those comments, there were a number of charities who pulled out of morrow lotto.
they're using these tactics, the centerleft i would say that we seen. i don't see them being used on the center right but maybe i just don't see it . >> of course, he gave them ammunition i'm making some of his outrageous comments but it is a situation where they ignore the results. and blacks think he's a bigot and yet it's the lowest unemployment rate among blacks in recorded history. you can't account for people misunderstanding but i think over time they will. over time in the case of reagan, reagan in one gallup poll as rated as the number one greatest president and remember the way he was portrayed in the media. that he's going to ruin the world. i think the same change will occur with trump . >> and he's tight, talk about the trump to. >> that was trump in our interview.
he said if he had not been tweeting, he would not be president. it's a way of getting around the mainstream media and it's a way of connecting with common people. with his own vernacular, which is often misspelled. and in the morning, he will start tweeting on his own. he only sleeps four hours a night and then he will start tweeting. he will read by the way a lot of the major papers. according to that novel by michael wolf, he doesn't read. well, the washington post, he readcover to cover. new york times hardcover . inaddition to washington times . he will have things printed out from other publications and internet. sites like breitbart. >> how do you know this. >> i was able to get right to the heart of the whole issue and find out, what he eats on
the plane. chilies, whatever that is. >> host: starburst. >> guest: and of course well-done states, the most well-known prime steak sorcerer and yet he will have been well done and reagan did the same thing . the one fascinating. it's chock-full of lots of thingsrussian collusion. you say in your book it turns out that in the thousands of stories about russian collusion, it was indeed a smoking gun in reverse . >> guest: this minor aid emailed the campaign aides including manafort and those emails were turned over to congressional committees and the washington post sent a message, i used to work there. ran a story last august 14 which quoted these emails.
and in them, this minor aid says he wants the campaign to meet with russian leadership . and he said absolutely not in email. absolutely not. deputy gates said absolutely not. they said we have to make sure that trump never does this. and instructed another individual in the campaign to make sure that nobody responds to any request like this. so what more do you need to know about russian collusion? these are the people in charge of the campaign though they say we want nothing to do with russia and this story has been ignored by the media including by the washington post and the post-headline . aid to trump wanted meetings with russian leaders. no, the real story was the campaign did not want to meet with any russian leaders. it's so unbelievable.
>> host: how does that happen? is it editors? i know there's bias but in the old days as you said you wouldn't have gotten away with this kind of thing who's letting it happen? >> guest: the washington post does run a lot of stories that are fair but i think first of all , reporters who are liberal leaning they feel like writing anything positive about trump is some kind of bad mark on them. and their colleagues are going to look down on them. i did an interview for this book by mainstream reporters who just say when i say anything positive, i must be a fool for saying that. their voice is snarky. it's like young women used go around with belly buttons
that were exposed. that was fashionable even though most of the time it looked terrible? i think of it that way. it's sort of like a fad and silly as that sounds, some people just cannot or will not look at the facts and make their own decisions.>> host: as we're sitting here, it sounds as if the media has thrown everything they could at this man and yet, even recently stormy daniels came out and everyone was worried is this the next shoe that's going to cause a problem? his approval rating is going up. so something is different. you can throw all that him yet as you are seeing, the people must have their own mind or they must be discounting the media. >> exactly. and i would say about that these alleged activities occur more than 10 years ago and i conclude from that that he has gotten older and wiser.
but early on in the relationship between trump and his wife, she found out hehad seen another woman, his former girlfriend . and she was going to be going to morrow lotto. she broke up with him on the spot. broke up with him, goodbye. the butler at mar-a-lago center close back from mar-a-lago to her. a week later he had wooed her back and she told aides she is sending her close back to mar-a-lago. a wonderful little vignette about melania is on the apprentice they were filling in their apartment at trump tower and donald was there and melania was there shipping champagne and one of the contestants said to
melania you are very lucky and she motioned over towards trump and said he's not lucky? this is a really sharp woman with a great sense of humor everybody who has any encounter with her is impressed . >> she has a tremendous residence out there and so i'm glad that you're doing your part of showing us that the president. >> so let's talk about the secret bunker that's on the north lawn. >> the presidents classified into things that you also talk about about protecting the president. i wonder is that making him at risk? are you saying too much to expose some of what you do? how do you make those calls? >> i would not reveal anything that was about to happen that might undercut that situation. but some of these things are just not going to cause any harm. in fact, that there is a secret bunker under the north lawn.
that's something that tv crews pondered. and it showed. and even though it's a very low cost location. and the same with the secret service. i think it's important to expose the problems in the secret service. and to get an eventual revolution change the system. >> changed this agency. >> is so dangerous. the fact that there there and going back to the ronald reagan assassination attempts, hinckley was able to shoot reagan and almost killed him, wrote that white house staff pressured the secret service to allow bystanders to waive as he came out of the hilton. including 15 feet away from him, and now the secret service carries up their own,
the notion about that pressure. >> it was so important for people to know because the last thing we want is an assassination. i care what party or person he's with. >> and in the last couple minutes, what do you think president trump would say if you read yourbook? what would he graded? what would you like or not like . >> i started in page 276 on the last page, it says they will be seen as one of the greatest presidents. so he might like that. i had heard the white house communications people are saying that the book is viewed favorably by the white house. it is a positive book, even though it has so many colloquialisms and stumbles so i think actually, donald trump has regarded my writing . he's like my articles
regardless of the fact that for example i sent him one of my articles demonstrating that obama was in fact writing about his face based on the fact that it's an announcement runon this book . in the hawaii paper. >> he knows that he was not born in kenya but at the same time, he has a bigger picture and understands that i'm an honest journalist. and that i tell it like it is, that's like trying to do. >> what's next book? >> this will be busy for a long time. the publicity has been endless and i'm not thinking about the next book yet but i'm always looking for suggestions. >> next to be with you. >>. >> c-span: where history
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