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tv   2018 Lukas Prize Ceremony  CSPAN  May 21, 2018 6:16am-7:52am EDT

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this time where the peace treaty was imposed on germany of course one or both of those could be back.
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to make it more favorable to include germany. the imperialist war with the soviet union. maybe that would break out in the role of war.
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for different reasons and how britain was going. they continued this policy trying to bring germany into a solid -- settlement. they continued the attempt. in august 1939. the courtship of hitler. super helpful. let me open it up to the floor for a few more questions. imagine there's someone with a microphone.
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when you talk about this. from 1914 to 1941 when you pull forward and think about how this. i'm just getting my stride. the tribalism.
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the anti-semitism. it was wide open. they open up racism. what's the difference. the difference is over. hopefully not. they can't own the property.
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and that provides a model that works for the way that the communism doesn't. with the image in reality. goes the other way. the deeper problem. were probably not good to see that again.
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the 2018 election. there was a primary tuesday in west virginia. they had been to prison for neglect and safety conditions. after the intervention of the president. there is a democrat joe manchin in the senate now who is up for reelection in his fate might have something to do with which party controls the senate. i'm sure he was hoping that blankenship would win so he could run against him. from the field reporting. what is happening in west virginia with the relationship in the attitude towards the president. and is there still room with the character like mentioned. as a democrat.
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who seems to be the most vulnerable defending incumbent out there in that party. it's difficult to say. i was talking to guys about their job. i hear a lot of people who are opposed to environmental regulations. they also appreciate the fact that the affordable care act gave them a crucial provision that they have taken away in 1982. and actually appreciate and
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think that the prevention of rules that were put in place in 2014 under the obama administration seem to be working to help cut death levels down. as far as what they're gonna do in 2018 your gas as honestly as good as mine. see no additional hands in the air let's transition to another part. >> there are so many. they don't have a sense of themselves as intimidating and
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they don't have a sense of themselves in terms of agenda role. like it's okay for me to be enraged but not cry. they get stuck too and the same way that victims get stuck. they don't have a constellation available in terms of the emotional range. not all is that they take it seriously they will learn to be better communicators but they don't know.
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and that has been surprising to me. the other thing that is really surprising on this came up i did some interviews. people seem surprised that he was an abuser but people in the field who work there. are not at all surprised. only 25 percent of domestic violence perpetrators are those original molex. race isn't angry. he's about power and control in terms of one person. abusers get victims because they're charming. it's not at all surprising that somebody like attorney general schneiderman was able to find women to date him. i guess i would say that's how i would answer that.
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there is surprise on both ends. that is a great transition to john and jane. let's think our palace. first of all jane welcome i
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think many of you know jane mayer that she cowrote the clarence thomas case. and she is two recent books that both had the word dark in them. the dark side in dark money. and she's been a reporter for the wall street journal in the new yorker for some time i think we first met in 1984 and most recently as i think all of you know she deserves congratulations for two very impactful stories in the new yorker. the first and was on the so-called dossier and christopher steele and who he is and what we should think about him the most recent one
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this week we were just talking about our now former attorney general eric schneiderman. the first question i ask come from and who is john galt. who is eric schneiderman. we don't really answer that question at all because were only writing about this particular aspect of him. it was ashamed. i think is a very complex character. it would've been more about why some insight into why did he behave in this way. why was someone who sponsored the legislation in the new york assembly making strangulation a crime who is
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he, i think the parts that we didn't go into where the that he have a very happy upbringing. the parents were divorced when he was very little. at least one of these women that and it wasn't a good thing. i think there was a lot of unresolved issues in the life. a serial monogamous.
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he was a nut to sizing himself with alcohol and tranquilizers pretty much five nights at a seven. i admired him from afar. that plus it really a story they gave one great pleasure to do. he seemed like he was can do some very good things in the public arena. they were contradicted by what he was doing private -- privately. take us through the process a little bit. one of the women with a couple people left for new york. she did a very good friend at the new yorker.
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antonia worked in the same building where the new yorker was. the story reached david remnick the editor. i wasn't really eager to do it at all. but he said just talk to her. so when i was done i did. it was remarkable how critically one woman led to another woman to another woman. in each one as i talk to them and became is really interesting and obviously upsetting patterns but there were tremendous patterns there even down to one would describe how he wanted her to remove the tattoo on her wrist
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because it was inappropriate for potential politicians to have a tattoo. and the next would say he told me he wanted the scars removed from my torso. he told me i need it plastic surgery for breast enlargements. he was like remaking these women through controlling them with plastic surgery even it was really strange. one by one and lost 30 pounds. he would control what i ate. and my hair was falling out. one by one they would say he drank in a cap incredible amount.
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like a parent with a kid. and say drink, drink. but each one would say the same thing. these were years apart. i was going on over and over. that was not even about the sexual abuse. it was to really strange thing to see the repetition. how did your they came in late and thank goodness. i don't think i have the appropriate skills that it takes in some stories. it takes an incredible amount of patience and handholding. i'm not used to that. from the start talking to
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tonya she and her lawyer on the phone. i really think at a minimum we only had one person we need three people. i like a three three people on the record. as we were reporting that one would go on and then we would lose another one. people were freaking out they were so scared. i then say that. that was my attitude. sit tight working to get the story together. we need three at least. it's wonderful that talking to these people and he reassured them and he told them that it was incredibly important what they were doing. wonderful bedside manner. he is a really good reporter. he is tireless.
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he helped get the medical records he knew just what to do on that. and then i wrote. it was fun working with him. he was really great. so early on and rachel addressed this issue. i think everybody knows was ever a time when you were entirely sure whether there was a consensual s&m dynamic to this that was part of my impatience in the problem for me. i have a very different attitude towards if someone hit me my feeling is they would be dead. how do some to get pulled into this.
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does it implicate them in some way then. it was very hard for me to find the full sympathy and i kept asking myself why didn't i leave. change him and get him therapy. you would make him feel insecure by saying you weren't
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liberated enough to meet my needs. this isn't working really. all of these different manipulative strategies that made them feel like they somehow got caught up with that. and it got worse and worse. most domestic violence abusers don't start on the first day by hitting someone. a lot of people who get hit get hit for the first time on their honeymoon. i think that was true of one of our reporters wives. a lot of the women get hit when they are pregnant. they're kind of stuck. these people were not married to them. and not pregnant. but they were known there. they feel in retrospect that the business about such a champion of women and being a feminist they felt tricked like he have the sort of feel good housekeeping and a
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thought of course he's a great guy. they couldn't really understand it was confusing. >> it was pretty clear pretty early that he was a monster. but when it became crystal clear that there was not a 50 shades of gray backs corey that maybe they were covering for was with the fourth woman they discovered. he doesn't have any kind of whips and change -- chains relationship. and what he says to her i thought was really telling he says i know people like you.
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high-caliber women women. if to make some decisions in your life. i know what you really want. you really want a man to be in charge. and hits are really hard. he is saying these things i think he realizes maybe i hit the wrong girl. he suddenly starts freaking out realizing she's a really important lawyer in the city. and he says a lot of women don't know they like it but they really wanted. that's his arrogant attitude. you want this. and basically no means a guess.
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which is so amazing coming from him. there was a very interesting essay in the washington post who is a writer mostly for the atlantic these days. it is a mistake to think of them they think they're a monster but there actually in her case very charming very accomplished is the confusion of somebody who seems like they are okay a lot of the time and then has this other side. and then they can of clicked into it. and became one of the women dr. jekyll and mr. hyde. they were very educated and accomplished women. we will no doubt see the movie
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at some point. at some point you can watch big little lies. nicole kidman's husband plays a role. i want to talk about dark money a little bit. first of all how do you define dark money. it wasn't my phrase. it was the money being spent and politics where you can't see who is spending it. you can see the ads that buy it. and influence that they could finally trace it back to its origin. it pulls together a lot about what has happened to our politics. in our last 30 years. you also have some money that is not quite dark.
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that doesn't make it any less insidious and i wanted to kind of bring the story forward. the book came out in 2016 at one of the conferences that you chronicle earlier and sometimes there is a tape that reaches out about what is said. they have a network and it's not just their money. it is a lot of their friends money. and in january of this year they pledged 400 million dollars for the midterms. just to give you a sense. there is a story in the new york times today some moderate democrats who are trying to raise about $30 million
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hundred 8,000-dollar increments. do you have any sense of when that 400 million are they waiting until after labor day to just pour a huge mountain of cash on all of these democratic candidates. or have they already spent some of it. i think they will spend it. this is incredibly important to them. is owning congress. that's where summary laws are passed that affect business. it really works for them to own the hell. if you look at what they did in 2014 the last midterm election.
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it's not just in the last few minutes. they really have a whole infrastructure that is in many ways much more powerful and has more employees they had notes of their own organizations. it's in almost every state now. they have to come to an organizational model that is like a major national party but it's funded by about 400 of the richest conservatives in the country. do you think it's wrong because of the energy in the dislike that dislike for trump will take the house. i'm very optimistic that it will take the house back.
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i think there is such an outpouring of activism as a result of trump. i think people may be motivated by putting a check on him. we've seen in virginia and other places. huge turnout. i think they will take it back. even though the history is in state and local races. the candidate with the most money wins. that's generally true. at this point also a lot of democrats pouring money in. not quite on the side. they're certainly not making donations there.
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and also congressional races are less expensive than presidential races. you read about the corruption of academia. and then pretty corrupted by this coke brothers money. it really is dark and all of these institutes that nobody knows anything about. to be in institutes. but now as a result of your book and other work do you think that people's consciousness has been raised enough on this. do you think there's a counter effort now among people to identify the dark money and combat it. there is an effort that's what was working at george mason.
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there has been a huge fight going on. and they had funded centers somewhere between 30350 colleges and universities that are pushing through with the free market ideology. just about freedom of expression and ideas and ideas on campus. they are politically correct and they need to fund all of this in order to make sure that this ideology gets a little bit of a hearing. they are doing this all over the country. and it varies depending upon which part of the country. i was down speaking at the university of texas in austin recently. they have a brand-new coke center that was just opening it's amazing how little they understood about it. they sent it's said it's just about freedom of expression
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there's so much money behind it. it's very hard for the places to turn away the money. then they were shocked that they have a debate in the have of the center. the pre-existing faculty was blown away by how right wing they were. it is happening all over the country. i think there is more of a fight now than there was when i wrote the book. most places just take the money. at any rate there are places where when you take the money you literally had to read that. there are schools that are in difficult economic positions. all of these quakers are learning about illicit drugs.
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it is when ask you before we open up. one question about the dark side. gina asked paul what do you know about the dark site that she supervised and how do you sort out her level of responsibility she was in thailand and that was the site that she supervised and it was a place where some of the early in worst things happened. terrible waterboarding situation. people would be water bordered over and over again. and the same people.
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the reason that they destroyed the tapes. there was a consensus among those who have seen them if they were released it would be an survivable for the program. and there be such an outcry. because it was so horrific to see what was going on. they knew they couldn't afford to have these tapes come out. that's coming from people inside the cia. they get rid of the evidence. it's one thing to write about it and another thing to actually see it. it was just so horrible. she transmitted the order to get rid of the tapes. industry the evidence. and what she is basically arguing is i followed the orders. it had been okayed by lawyers
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should just be a good employee. and to my mind i think that is a tremendous danger with the president like trump because she say now i would never do this again but if she someone who saw her job as following the orders there's been no evidence that she acted along any dependent ethical standards at all. it's pretty clear that they appointed her in part because she did this not because he goes around the world. there was no a no amount of torture in total and well americans who were taken hostage or prisoner be more vulnerable to torture now that the u.s. government is confirmed. is very much on the record.
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more waterboarding. i don't think that the u.s. is about to go back to doing it but when you have someone who is so deeply involved in running the cia of course it gives the message it sends the world as we are okay with that. maybe it wasn't the right think were not doing anymore. how bad could it be. if she wasn't far from being fired. she was made director. it gives permission to places like syria to egypt and all of these places in the world that had horrific history of torture. we have no standing at this point to tell them to pass the violation. we just promoted to someone who destroyed the evidence of our own torture program. they really haven't completely condemned it.
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the one thing that everybody really wants to hear her state which is it was morally wrong. we should have never done it. i think we had time for about five or ten minutes of questions for jane my name is philip turner. about the mercer's if i may. about the time i read it was when they were emerging. i don't like what they do. i never felt like they were actually or tried to consort with foreign agents against the country with mercer i feel like they had been more willing to. i didn't i know you wouldn't want to write another book on this.
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it's really odd person. basically he is someone who said he would rather spend his life with cats than people. he doesn't like to speak to people. very brilliant computer scientist but we have no understanding of the gi has a lot of knowledge about politics by his very strong ideas. he reads very eccentric things. he thinks to a very extreme view on things like civil rights. he thought it was the biggest mistake in american history.
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he basically things that humans should be valued on the basis of what they earn. those who were in earn the most money are the most valuable to society and those who are on welfare have a negative value. he mostly also wanted to just defeat hillary clinton in the first place. i just think he is an example of someone who is if he didn't have almost a billion dollars no one would pay him any mind. because of our system he has an inordinate amount of power. after the scandal broke. there were some stories that she was going to be sidelined in the cycle. do you think that's true.
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they basically helped fund him in a way. and kelly in and a few other people and help get them over the finish line but i don't think he ever liked them. when you interview them about the mercer's. i don't know if she's quite like that. the money is pretty helpful. will they be involved in this. they originally linked up with the coax.
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they got behind truck when the coax did it. not the family members a bit people about people who are going to be with us long after that coke brothers are dead. i actually think that charles coke's one-of-a-kind character i'm sure there will be other big players but if you give him credit for being very much having put his imprint on this because of who he is. he thinks systematically like an engineer. for years thinking how do i take this thing over.
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how do i reengineer it to make this the paradise that i believe in. a lot of it is through what you are alluding to before. it's money spent on elections is spent on this ideological assembly line professors, studies that have come out with phony things. all kinds of political groups that seem to be citizens groups that are all paid for by people. they are introducing bills all over the country. it's really a machine. and i'll see anyone else quite like charles coke voting machine quite like that.
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it's very powerful. why doesn't the left have it charles coke. extraordinary thinking folks. why isn't there someone like that. you could argue they do argue on the right that they've spent a lot of money in europe trying to do and fund democracy movements in the part of the world that he grew up in. it's obviously not come out very well for him. he came from a place that was so far out on the french and felt like he was described as a narco.
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and now he is just the center of the republican party in this country. meanwhile the democrats from his standpoint was the establishment. didn't feel like they needed to build a movement. the centrism and liberalism did. didn't feel like they need it to needed to build up the counter establishment they wanted to take it over. so he built up his own academia and all of these organizations. maybe if the democrats feel endangered enough they would do the same.
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there are additional recordings. is that something you've heard as well. do you think they will ever see the light of day. i don't know about it. it doesn't surprise me as a possibility. because they reported everything. it was so meticulous in deliberate and there were scientists and doctors psychologist measuring to make sure that when they waterboarding people they measured their oxygen level so they didn't die. it wouldn't surprise me if there were other records i
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don't know if there are more videotapes or not. most of these people were on. there is some examples of people trying to destroy the video. water boarded 88 times. they can be incompetent when it comes to that. thank you so much. in terms of your contact we hear a lot about accusations made.
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in terms of your contacts with people who had worked in the state department or cia or career people how are these people doing. i think at the morale is just terrible and it's not just in the higher levels but so many of the lower level public servants i really see it's been a quiet weekend. twenty succeed that they have not one. the idea that government is the enemy.
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experts are the enemy. it's amazing. some of the key positions. they are just in 70 key positions. some people literally work for the industry all over the place in the ideology is that government is the enemy and only the free market works.
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it's her of the battle cry no we don't live that far from the white house. i have to say i have to hand it to the press. i really think since were here at the journalism school i think the reporting has been remarkable from some new places and people have really risen to the challenge and turned out one amazing story after the next. the newspaper were in washington sometimes it's just like it every day. there is some good news.
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