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until 2017 writes about investigations of organized crimes, martha stewart, and hillary clinton and donald trump. he is interviewed by mike allen in this hour long event. [inaudible conversation] [inaudible conversation] [inaudible conversation] >> welcome, thank you for coming. i'm bradley graham, co-owner politics and prose. on behalf of everyone here at axial says well, we are very glad that you are here. putting on an event like this involves lots of people.
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thanks goes to the folks at george washington university and listener auditorium. we have been working for a number of years now to present large events with popular authors. we are grateful to have access to such a spaceship same convenient facility right here in downtown d.c. our appreciation to ask seo's, news and analysis site. they're sponsoring this event. the official launch last year it has become part of the scene with media, tech, business on an innovative platform. we are all very pleased to be presenting james comey this evening. the former fbi director has been in the news since the release a few weeks ago his book, higher loyalty. he appeared on news programs,
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talk shows on stages across the country. he detailed the controversy will decision about the nation's top law-enforcement officer and the subsequent interactions with president trump, who famously fired him a year ago. he has recounted stories from his childhood in new york and new jersey. his college years that william and mary, and his career that has alternated between senior jobs in the u.s. justice department and positions in private practice with such firms as lockheed martin. he says he never expected to write a book but eventually chose to do so to drive a conversation about ethical leadership in our nation's core values. he has called president trump out of step with those values, comparing him to a mob boss who stresses loyalty over the law
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and has little regard to morality and truth. the president has trace words for mr. comey, calling him a beaker and a liar among others. meanwhile, sales of "a higher loyalty" keep going up. [laughter] [applause] and tickets for events like this one cell outle in minutes. this evening you'll have a chance to see and hear mr. comey a person inform your own impressions without filter. you will be in conversation with mike allen, one of the most prominent journalists. mike wrote for the washington post before launching the daily newsletter, playbook at political over a decade ago. he left political in 2016 to help establish ask seo's where he is executive editor and
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author. please join me in welcoming james comey and mike allen. [applause] [applause] >> thank you very much. politics imposes a great growing independent bookstore and they are coming soon to union market. thank you for making this possible. mr. director, backstage he said there's something you hope to never do again in your life. >> wear a tie. >> and then one of my daughters reminded me she is getting married in july and i will have to wear a tie. >> you have your wish until then. you were saying, through all of
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this we were encouraged and today we have a very big stack us questions. you said you like a live audience. >> yes, because of the instant feedback. if you are not making sense you can hear it in the burbling of the audience. if you made sense you hear that as well. it is fun and useful to get that interaction. >> rad was referring to the president tweets at your book party. one of the people who was thanked was president trump for all of his tweeting. were you surviv surprised he was driving up your sales? >> it was not i who thanked him for tweeting at me. [laughter] i wish you would not be tweeting at me.
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i do not know what effect it has had on book sales. i have been blown away at the rate it is selling. it makes me happy. >> with michael wolf he kind of learned like for michael low's retirement fund. >> i did not know, i said i'm kind of like a breakup he cannot get over for some reason. i am out there living my best life and he is out there tweeting at me. [laughter] [applause] >> before we go in i want to thank you for coming out. i had a great time visiting with you. i want to thank our friends at george washington university and this amazing space as brad said. two great young entrepreneurs, keith urban and -- i call them the maestros for pulling this together. thank you for c-span for caring this lie. with all the interviews you have done this is the first one
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c-span is carrying my. this lie. >> what did you learn about yourself and the media? >> i learned that i do not love being recognized on the streets and airports and bathrooms and other places. my wife says i should be in a wheelchair with a straw hat. that is not something that i crave or thrive on. it makes me slightly uncomfortable. what i have learned about the media is people ask questions about a book that have not read. [laughter] >> this book is largely about leadership. that is part of your original
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idea, help us with this leadership paradox. how to be competent enough to be humble? >> it requires enough sense of self, a basic conviction that i am okay. it also allows you to realize that i am not okay enough, and gives you the comfort to learn from other people and show the humility to listen to others. it requires balance. too much confidence in its wipes humility off of the board. too much insecurity makes it impossible to listen and learn from others. a comfort inn yourself that also allows you to realize you are not good enough in the path to getting better is learning from other people. >> what you think is most often missing from leaders or from your office? >> humility. i have known and seen a lot of
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leaders. overconfidence is one of the great challenges of human existence. they were so challenged and learning from those of us below them and in taking joy in our achievements. that is the key to being a good parent too. not to compete with your children, but to learn and take joy in how they do. you have to have confidence to be a leader. you have to have a measure of humility to balance it out to be better in engaging the people who work for you. >> you will be teaching a course on leadership and ethics at william and mary. what is your one lesson for ethics? one thing that i can keep in mind to make a spot decision when i have to.
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>> the most important thing is to ask yourself the golden rule, a theme that runs through all the world religions is, am i treating this other as i would want to be treated. that is the most important touch stone. that should be at the core of it. >> who in this russia thing has been a model of good behavior? [laughter] >> that is a great question. [laughter] i would have to look at the government side for that. i admire and write in the book, which i hope you can re, that jim clapper is the leader in government that i most admire. [applause] he has that balance of confidence and humility. he was both tough and kind. i saw that throughout my interaction with him including in the 2016 election. >> we will start with the news. i hope you'll follow along in the conversation will have an
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ongoing conversation. if you are negotiating with president trumps legal team on the terms of an interview, what would you insist on? >> so, i am the prosecutor? >> yes, sir. again. >> in any interview with a subject i would want to make sure that i had unlimited time, a clear understanding, and i would look to negotiate away any boundaries. i need to be able to ask follow-up questions. i need to make sure there is a clear understanding that whether or not it is within the grand jury a false statement would be prosecutable. open ended at the time and subject in a clear understanding that you are obligated to tell
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the truth, and failing to do so will be at your peril. >> to believe in the end the special counsel will interview president trump? >> i do not know. i hope the special counsel is free to gather the information he needs to get to the truth. i don't know what the truth will be, i do not care as long as he gets to the truth. it is hard in almost all investigations of getting to that without some interaction with the subject. i hope he is free to get to the truth. >> if you got president trump under oath what would you ask him? >> that is a good question. [laughter] i don't think i can answer that. one thing i have been careful not to do is to talk about what i know about the russian investigation. >> your private citizen, you read the paper, what are you curious about and would you like to know that the president could answer. >> i would want to know as much
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as i could about the facts around things like his interaction with me on february the 14th. to understand whether there is an obstruction case for setting aside whether that can be brought against the president i would want to understand state of mind. i do not the answer of that. i can recount a conversation but i do not know what was in his head. i would want to ask lots of questions to get around that topic and explore that. >> given the fact that what we do know, does it look like president trump obstructed justice? >> i do not know and i cannot responsibly answer that question. it requires facts that i cannot see from where i set. to understand his state of mind
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and understand communications, what is the written record and things that prevent me from being anything other than a witness. >> you write that it's very possible neither him nor his campaign colluded with russia. very possible they did not. >> collusion is not a thing in the world of government. i don't know how that got into our lexicon. the question is, is there evidence that americans conspired with the russians, or aided and abetted the russian. >> you are skeptical there is? >> i don't know the answer to that. i am skeptical by nature. that was the subject of an fbi investigation. it was ongoing at the time i was fired. i do not know what it has come up with. i'm confident this group can find out with the truth this.
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>> in retrospect, should you have resigned before your fired? >> no. definitely not. i let an organization that is supposed to be both in the executive branch and not quite of the executive branch, independent-minded, independent in its decisions about facts and investigations. i thought my discomfort with president trump made it more important for me to stay. i would not have resigned. >> i asked readers about questions for you. hundreds of them answer. one was, do you think people who are morally opposed to the president can serve him? >> yes. , the question is out what capacity and what cost to yourself. i believe anyone close will be staying. >> what was the cost to you? >> i was fired. [laughter] i do not think so.
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people have to make a calculation, they have to be keenly aware of the point at which they would move from serving the country to enabling conduct they would find morally objectionable. that is a judgment each person has to make of themselves. >> which critique of you is most fair? >> i do not think this stuff about sanctimonious fair, saint coming? i have a number of weaknesses that i wrestle worth. i worked very hard during my life growing up with great help to make sure i am not making decisions driven by ego. the first critique of the me is probably that i can be stubborn and may be that i can make decisions too quickly. i don't think i did here.
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i think there's a difference of being decisive and impulsive. i tried to guard rail that with the team i keep around me. those are fair critiques. i do not see those emerged in the clinton e-mail thing because of the guardrails i had around me. >> the question from a hillary supporter, you told the senator that when you heard are considered you may have tipped the election, you are mildly nauseous. this person was saying i was looking for mortified or horrified, could you do more than that? >> you would have to experience my sense of nausea. [laughter] it makes me feel sick to my stomach. one of my kids pointed out i should have said nauseated if i wanted to be dramatically correct. maybe part of it is that i sure hope. maybe i would feel more physical
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pain if i convince myself that we did. it makes me sick to think we had any impact. our lives are devoted to the institutions that have no roles there. if the idea we had an impact is sickening. >> but you accept that you may have tipped the election. >> it's possible. i don't know. someday i hope really smart economics comes up and rules that out. i don't know.
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part of it what makes it nauseating is even looking back, it would not change the choices for the way think about those choices. they really sucked. the fact that it might have an impact as to the pain. it doesn't change of how i think of what changed. sometimes you're stuck with bad over worse. >> you write about rudy giuliani who is your boss. what is the effect of the president hiring rudy giuliani. >> i suppose he did that because he develop confidence in rudy from their interactions during the campaign. rudy is a talented person. >> what can he do in the situation? >> i don't know. i don't know if he can it negotiate an end to this. >> is that how it works? >> not in my experience, no. nor whatever relationship matter, it doesn't make any difference. i don't know what it means. >> is deputy attorney general what you make a president trumps hardening of libyan was that a message to michael : are others?
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>> i think it is an attack on the rule of law. there is a reason that george w. bush declined to pardon him after deep review of the facts. president bush concluded justice was done. the system works here. to now have a president 12 or 14 years later say he deserves to be pardoned with no review or consultation, i can't think of a sensible reason to do that. i think it's an attack on the old law. somebody asked me was at a message to me and in my right free minded me that it's not about me. i don't know, even if it's not a message to anybody it's an attack on the rule of law. it's really important people be prosecuted for lying blatantly which is what that was in the criminal justice system.
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>> what happened to the investigation of president trump issued a preemptive pardon? >> i do not know. [laughter] that's all the time we have, thank you. [laughter] >> can you imagine that happening? does that look possible to? >> sure. yes. it is possible. i don't know what the affected be. i do not know enough about preemptive pardons. i also do not know to what extent -- smarter people would have to answer this. but if you preemptively pardon someone does it depend on the description of the pardon is there room for state action or federal action?
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>> the fact that you think it's possible is remarkable. why do you think it is possible or what you say solely in this environment could you imagine it. you have a president actively undermining the rule of law and the institutions we count on. we count on it as a country to uphold this democracy. the routine attacks on the justice department and the courts, at least to me in the quick condemnation of the fbi when executing the court-ordered search warrant all of that along with the president's habit of not telling the truth tells me it's a president to may do something like that. >> what to think of president trumps saying the special counsel should stay away from his family finance.
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>> is that fair game? >> is it fair game to look at finances? sure. depends on if is logically connected. >> the president reacted extremely viscerally when they found out there were subpoenas about financial matters. >> i don't know if the reporting was accurate or what was behind his reaction. >> are you surprised these issues think, for the president when he was in business before office? about personal finance. >> i gather there were substantial part of his life in bankruptcies and other things. personal finance has been a big part of his personal finance. [laughter]
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>> knowing can get inside robert mueller said better than you. you say you're duty-bound not to talk about anything you learned during the investigation. talking about only what has been made public since may 9, 10 days since here i until your anniversary, the special counsel was named to week after that. what to find most instructive about this investigation and where it is going. >> i cannot offer that view. i cannot separate my characterization of facts after may 9 and before. >> i've tried not to talk about the investigation the book. >> your huge news consumer. as you look at coverage what does the need media get hopped up about her what we value less than an experienced i would? >> i worry that the media are
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people consuming the media don't realize nothing is coming from the people who know what they are talking about. [applause] and i'm not picking on the media, but the sources are defense lawyers, people around them, and my experience and not robert mueller's operation which i think is tight as a drum. none of us know what's going on in director mueller's investigation. >> in other interviews you seem to have defined week is only is classified information. what is your definition of a leak? >> disclosure of -- information.
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something that you're not supposed to give out to the media. >> d you never did that? >> no why did you give those memos? >> i gave a memo to one person, daniel richmond. >> why didn't you do it straight to the new york times? >> it would be like feeding siegel's at the beach. i had a crowd of journalists that my driveway and how would i say no comment and how it i avoid interaction with awesome people like you. >> i was concerned about my ability to stay away from you.
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>> you struggled with sensitivities rent elections. it's 190 days until the midterm election where robert mueller's findings could be a big deal, you think he'll take that into account with his pace. >> i don't know. he likely will because of the norms of the of the department of justice. there are not rules on how we act, there's a memo from 2012 about election related crimes like those are the rules. that's not the rules. you avoid any action that might have an impact if you can. i'm sure he'll operate with that in mind. what conduct that will drive is harder to say. >> would there be a quiet time or would they get things done soon? how do those norms play out when you have 190 day deadline? >> i can answer in this case. you need a vision for where it is going and if you can responsibly concluded in advance of an election.
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you don't make the decision based on the election, you say all else. equal can i responsibly avoid a public action that might have an impact. it's difficult to answer. >> what advice would you giv about coming out. >> it works well for me. [laughter] >> he doesn't need my advice on that. this norm is part of my existence as a prosecutor so i'm sure it's part of his existence as well. you can't give advice on that without knowing what are the alternatives and what could you avoid. you cannot say that from the outside.
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>> you have said that president trump should not be impeached, that would be letting the voters off. the voters should make that decision himself. what is your current view on whether president trump should be impeached. >> what i meant to express was a sense that of course impeachment should follow the law and the facts. it is laid out in our constitution. should go wherever the facts take it. is trying to express a sense that i have that in a way that would be too bad. first, president trump were impeached and convicted, it would drive for dysfunction and divide deep into our public culture that take us a long time to fix. and let the voters off the hook. i think the american people need
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to stand up and say forget dunson taxes and supreme court justices. something matters above those in that is that our leader reflect our values. [applause] >> you think the process would be bad for america? >> i think many ways the process would drive create a sense of illegitimacy among a big part of supporters of president trump that would be difficult to unwind. and that a healthier way to resolve this is the american people, especially those that don't normally vote stand up and say this is what we stand for. that would be very good for america. look at history and we find
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times and we have terrible political division and sething resets us. world war ii reset dysfunction and divide of the 1930s. certainly we don't need that. clarity would come from an election this what my hope us. >> what are the chances president trump will be on the ballot 2020? >> i have no idea can i ask you. >> what are the chances he would win? >> i don't know that either. >> it would depend on sure things i'm not an expert in. how does the electric split. >> who said you don't know if he's going to give an interview to robert mueller, is it more likely or less likely, what does it look to you? >> in a normal world, it would
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be very hard for the president of the united states not to submit to an interview in connection with an investigation that touches upon his conduct and people around him. the normal world and normal people would find it difficult to accept. i'm only hesitating because we don't live in that world. so many norms have been broken. on a regular basis the president treats i should be in jail and even i go to crazy. i keep saying closer rise and a mentioning barack obama waking up and saying someone doesn't like you you should be in jail, republicans would freak out. , where is that? [applause]
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>> that's a way of saying, i don't know. in a normal world everybody would freak out. >> in what capacity are you asking me that? as an american citizen would expect my president to respect the rule of law enough not to attack the administration of justice on a regular basis and cooperate with a lawful investigation. >> should hillary clinton have been charged with a crime? >> no. >> why wasn't she put under oath. >> it doesn't matter. whether you under oath or not, it's still a crime to lie during that interview. it's inconsequential in terms of the strategy. >> to wish you would have one? >> that's what i'm not can
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answer. >> you say your family members to. >> what would your life be like if she one? >> i don't know the answer to that. i think i was still be the fbi director. [applause] >> the reason i say that as someone asked me to compare the two and it's too hard, secretary clinton someone deeply a mesh by the rule of law given that background even though she was unhappy with that she would not fire the fbi director as a result. [applause] >> you write about the silent
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circle of . the enablers and accomplices. who are those people for president trump? >> i am not prepared to answer that. >> i do think that resonates for me in the culture of his leadership. i have seen in other environments. i've investigated corporate fraud, that was a familiar feature of the leadership of corporation that was engaged in criminal misconduct. that silent circle the bosses and control will do with the process. >> could you admire around president trump? >> i admire jim mattis agree to. i believe he's an american patriot i get up every morning hoping he's getting up every morning. and for a long time, i worked closely with john kelly and
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developed a positive relationship with him. >> does it appear the dossier is more accurate than inaccurate? >> i can't sort it that way. a course feature was an allegation that was richly cooperated in the russians were engaged in an effort to interfere in the election. i think that is the hub. there are variety of things that are tough to sort out. there are things were trying to rule in or out. >> it could all be true? >> sure. it could in large measure be true or false.
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>> how concerned should we personally be about cyber security. beyond cyber security our investments and bank account safe? >> you should be very concerned. because we have connected our entire lives to the internet, not just her financial world this is where everybody wants to hurt us. the challenge is the internet is not designed for security. it is only as good as the weakest human. so yes, you should be deeply concerned. that said, you can there's reasonable security and america's financial institutions. >> how long should we be about their filtration of facebook? >> alarmed on a number of levels. i'm not an expert in this topic
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but, there is the ability of people to participate in shape our public dialogue is profound and figuring out how to stop it's is really hard. >> if there's a clear and present danger to the united states how high do you rate those platforms? >> what is the scale? , i can make it up? how high would i rate the danger compared to other dangers i worry about i was a medium. >> should there had been an earlier reckoning for the tech companies? >> i cannot answer that. >> how fixable are the holes in
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these platforms? >> i am skeptical. i worry the nature of the is such that is the notion of a fix may be an illusion. >> jonathan karl is here, he's going to do a follow-up here. >> but before i phone my friend, when was last time you talk to andrew mccabe? >> probably a month ago. >> what to. >> what you think that happened to him. >> i feel pain for him and his family. at the same time i think the report shows people this is what an organization committed to the truth and accountability looks like. whether that causes a pain, this
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is what an organization looks like that cares deeply about telling the truth. the way the president behaved in that way was shameful. he managed to staying, not just hurt and he and his spouse, and stained them and the department of justice and the fbi in the process by the way in which he conducted himself. with the tragedy on many levels. that's why am conflicted. >> was the biggest mistake you made as the fbi director that did not involved a clinton or a trump? >> answer my say that i made mistakes with those? >> i made a ton of mistakes. a bunch of personal mistakes, i
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carelessly created a problem with the government of poland. [laughter] in the speech i was giving about the holocaust. it was a distraction and bonehead play by me i think i ended the debate about encryption in a stupid way. i sigh new advertisements that apple and google were advertising more proof phones like that was a great thing. instead of thinking about it carefully i went into a press roundtable and i hit them to wear off to the races. so i can think of others too. >> my friend carl i'm going to phone for the follow-ups i should have asked.
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>> first, clarification. and thank you for being here. you said even if you learn decisively that your action swung the election you would not to think differently. >> yes. the choice i faced in late october as i thought was between a bad option in a catastrophic option. you can't make that decision about who will be affected and in which way. so what was the right thing to do. one of my best people should you consider that what you're about to do could help elect donald trump. i said great question but not for a moment. down their lives the death of the fbi as an independent
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entity. once we consider who will help or hurt were just part of that partisan warfare. >> one thing you can ask is how do we not help or hurt either candidate? >> you know what you're going to do will have some impact. the norm is if you can avoid it. i cannot find a door that said here is no action. i could speak or conceal the fact that we are restarting
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norms are inherently ambiguous. so to make a judgment call what can we responsibly do and when, that's why so hard for me to answer. and laid late october i cannot avoid that action.
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i do not know what the degrees of freedom would be. >> i want to pause and say what a great audience this is. a very impressed with the questions. they're very thoughtful. i'm a 15-year-old from a lab school and he says at what point did you lucy respect and trust for trump? [applause] >> who let that kid in here? [laughter] >> my concerns about the president's commitment to telling the truth was a process over time. i was concerned enough that it was important to document my first meeting. there is a concern that wanted to make sure the intelligence
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chiefs had an accounting of the meeting. thereafter, there is a concern on my part i was interacting with things that touched him personally, and the fbi and responsibilities said he may lie about them. it was a process and i would say by late january i was concerned about it. >> what type of prayers to jesus to strengthen yourself? >> in november the retired fbi director agents like myself are praying for you. >> i am a fan of a theologian who wrote the serenity prayer which was brought to my mind many times in the last three
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years. >> what type of legal repercussions would arrive the president trump decided to fire robert mueller? that's an interesting question. it could be utterly ineffective in practice it would have to fire the entire fbi. i don't know if they followed a normal course. he'd find an executive to fire robert mueller. there is a deep state there is a deep culture on it it would be
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interesting to see what would happen next. i can imagine the attorney's office picking up part of it and it would be very hard to do something that direct an attack on the rule of law. >> so you're saying to president trump, don't bother. >> it would also be ineffective. so don't to disastrous things at all, don't do disastrous things that will make a difference. >> here's a question from nathan and anna. they say can you describe your were working relationship with vice president, dick cheney?
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>> seems like another very smart person, we had conflict that was intense, especially over the nsa surveillance program. i tell the story in the book so i will not repeated here. you look me in the eye closer than we are until me thousands of people were going to die because of what i was doing. what i was doing was supporting the lawyers who said we cannot find a legal basis for this activity. and i said, that's not helping me. that's just increasing the pain. it doesn't help me to think differently about the legal problem. >> who is a living later you admire? >> i mentioned clapper. i came to admire barack obama. [applause] i was not a political supporter of barack obama.
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i gave money to mccain and romney, part because they hounded me. but i thought it was important that people principal be the nominee from the other party. i thought that wing nuts like that other party. [applause] but, my dealings with him were a national security issues and i came to respect not only the decisions he made, but the way he made decisions. especially the ability to listen and create an environment where people would speak with him. the man would listen for five or ten minutes and not just when joe biden was talking. he would listen and then ask questions from the first minute, the third minute in the fifth minute.
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>> i admired him because of a leader. >> who is a leader you admire in business or philanthropy, or academia? >> i worked for a great ceo at lockheed martin. he came from the humblest of circumstances and was a grunt marine in vietnam. got his first job building aircraft and was the ceo of lockheed martin. never lost the ability to connect with people. in case i left anyone off the list, i was going to say you next. >> does bill clinton's meeting with loretta lynch help make a decision told the press release? >> yes. it was that meeting in conjunction with loretta and loretta's decision to know she would not recuse herself but accept my recommendation.
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at that point, i decided as much as i like her this would not have credibility with the american people if i announce it standing next to her. i never thought i would be in that situation. given where we are, worse would be standing there having the american people having doubts about the work she said she would accept doing it separately. people can disagree about it but we thought we would have to do bad not worse. >> the justice department looking at taking out of the prosecutors man the language about freedom of the press. >> i saw that i want to know more. i just don't know. i saw the story but i do not know if it is real.
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you have covered institutions, when ever you have a choice between benevolent and incompetent, always start with income since. they might be repairing the website or something. >> putting aside the motive you don't think it's a good idea. >> to put aside freedom of the press? >> to take the language out of their manual. >> i don't know what the languages. you want respect for the newsgathering to be centralo your investigative considerion. people can disagree about how you interact but they are to have it front of mine when touching the media. >> what advice do you have for current to government employees on how to stay focused on the mission while under political pressure? [applause] >> remember, someday you'll have
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to explain to your grandchildren what you did during this time. [applause] it is what help me during moments when i thought i was going to be crushed by pressure. i would close my eyes and float to the future and say, how will i explain this? i gave in because they yelled at me? because i was under pressure? remember what the values of the institution you sir. remember, someday you will have to explain how you upheld those values. >> we have an advice question. you have said that you hate, or you don't hate donald trump. given what he said about you, that is impressive. could you please help me not to hate donald trump. >> hitting people gives them too much power over you.
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one of the real dangers we face today is the president's behavior but drag us all down. and so i'm not much on twitter, but i'm keen not to engage back and forth and name-calling. whether or not there's a space between slimeball, i don't care. support we remember who we are. hating someone, their people you need to hate but i urge you first to hate their action and don't give that person that central role in your life. [applause] >> we have another hash take care.
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did you get the letters from your former colleagues at the fbi? do you know we miss you? did you read them? signed comey's home home ease. >> i read everyone. you all made me cry. i could only read them 20 at a time. i have drawers full of them. it increased my pain but also made me realize why i felt the pain, because of the people. >> drawers full of letters from former colleagues. >> and t-shirts, mugs, i get no piece of those profits. i get none of it.
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>> i said this when i testify. it's a lie that the fbi wasn't tattered. for that i was estranged from that workforce. one of the part proudest parts my life is that i love those people and i think in the main they felt that back. it meant a lot that these things came in. but i read everyone. and i still have it. [applause] >> what is something you would like to share with the people of the bureau now that it has been under a year since .-ellipsis. many of us remember that and it day and we will never forget. >> never forget how strong the culture of that organization is. that is frustrating when you are a director trying to oriented ten certain ways. remember the inertia is your
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strength and the strength of this country. people who haven't been there when i described the culture, if you haven't worked united states military services maybe don't get it. all of those who work there, you feel it. no president served long enough to destroy it. just remember the long run, remember who you are. remember how proud you will be to tell your grandchildren what you were like during this time. you are great, just keep being it. >> 200 years from now when a historian writes a bout the 2016 election. what would here she say about you? . .
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that is not the center of our family and we can't portamento lives and we talk about the next thing. my wife watches more than i and it gets her jazz up. george stephanopoulos said have you lost friends over this and she said not true friends but we have lost some. >> who is on the list?
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and she's the one i worry about the most inventive. eight years in the private sector what i will do is remember you were fortunate as most of the world remember our obligation to care for those who don't have what we have. [applause] you will never see my tax returns but you will see that commitment reflected a. >> this gets to the trend of the writers around here. your family is upsizing. >> i have no idea why. my youngest is about to graduate
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from high school so my wife decided we needed to move to a bigger house. we were going to do this when i was director. the idea is we have to have a place where each of them and their significant other can stay and room for the grandchildren and a ping-pong table. we don't have any grandchildren by the way. [laughter] but my wife is a planner so the idea is we will become an attraction to our big family and we've got to do with now as we try to fix it later. [laughter] >> the ultimate question we have 30 seconds for two questions. another one from sally quinn. the first headline of your obituary or epitaph, how do you want to be remembered? >> i actually don't care about
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this stuff. if you know m me can me can youi need this. i want to be a great father, husband and grandfather and friend and neighbor. that is my goal and my advice for young people would be asked that question when i'm about to die, what will matter and i guarantee you will not care about money or houses and cars and honor and with newspaper clippings you have about yourself. it won't matter. >> a quick thank you and then to thank brad and politics and prose and flatiron books into the amazing team, thank you all for coming and as we say goodbye, what is on your gift list that you have dreamed of doing and now you can?
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>> i don't think there's anything on that list. i am a happy person and maybe this explains why it doesn't bother me more. i'm married to my best friend, five amazing children. i don't have a bucket list. [applause]
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