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that's a reason to vote for me. that is where we are now and as people are looking ahead to 2020 in talking about mark zuckerberg or oprah winfrey we may have more to look for two in that way but it's a way that understanding trump did not drop out of the sky. there's been a long-term three quarters of a century long trend which he has most recent manifestation. >> you watch this and other programs online at the tv .org. [applause] >> thank you very much. i am david and i'm with the washington examiner. we're here to talk to brad todd and 28, the authors of a great revolt. it is one heck of a book employing both the kind of anecdotes that we tell you who voters are in what motivates them and the kind of data that can help you extrapolate from what they are going to do and
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why they will do it but the kind of thing that i think both lehman and so-called experts were barely know nothing like me want to get their hands on to try to understand what is happening initial politics today. i want to dilate in and talk about the book. you open the book with you spending time in the middle of the night with barney smith -- bonnie smith. i want to set this up. you went with her in the morning to the bakery that she runs and you had an interesting conversation with her and tell us about her and i have a couple questions about her when you done. >> she was really remarkable and interesting woman. sheesh order the me and maybe for the 1'1" and she gets up at the alarm at 1:45 in the morning. she is to get to the bakery and start to make the donuts. she gets to the bakery and has
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doughnuts in cupcakes in these little tea cakes and a multitude of different cookies and histories and by 9:00 o'clock in the morning when i get in there and start talking to customers she has already been up for eight and half hours. this is a woman that is spent her entire life as a democrat and how democratic was she? she voted for bernie sanders in the primaries in 2016. she was born -- she says to me i was born a democrat and my parents are democrat and make grammar are democrats and i married to democrat and i was worked with democrats for 22 years. she started her career as a cook in the shares office in jefferson in ohio which is located along lake erie and to the east of cleveland.
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she wanted something more to life than being a cook in the sheriff's office reducing job her mom had picked what is raising the kids and working full-time she decides to back to school and better herself. she gets her degree and she works herself up for the years into to become the deputy sheriff and she worked there for 32 years. then she retires and does her lifelong dream and that is to own a bakery. she opens a bakery across the street from the courthouse and cause it legally sweet. her path to supporting donald trump was not an evolution because between march and november that's not an evolution but a revelation. she looked around the town and
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said my party has not done this town in this county well. the town is falling apart and the crime is rising and the unemployment is astronomical. opioids are in the streets and our kids not being mobile. i'm going to go for something different and she voted for trump. >> i want to shift to you, brad. some of what i read in this chapter reminded me of the discussions that we've had over the years as a try to figure out what the republican coalition is and what motivates these voters and you and i have gone -- that was a back-and-forth but we've had talk in discussions and as i read this just to reset a little bit that republican political consultants and media consultant spent time trying to out how to motivate the right voters in the right places for your looking clients and there are two things
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here that i read that i circled and one was when you both vote voted -- it wasn't on the table for bonnie smith until it was a few months later. there was a spark and i thought of you and i think as it relates to the secondment rights and things like that where bonnie says i look the other way for far too long thought that i should be more modern when it was not comfortable with the views my party started to take the democratic party. it may clear that this is a difficult decision to have made and discussed publicly and i took a stand up for myself and my beliefs and my life and for my country. can you talk about these cultural shifts that had impacted two party coalitions and what that meant for the
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presidents election? >> american political electors has been structured on the same access for dozens of years. dating back to the new deal. good will rebuild the party in the mold of the working-class ethos and economic equality. the 1960s word you begin to see cultural issues matter democrat more. that drastically accelerated in the obama administration. economic equality became far less driving ethos in multiculturalism and acceptance of multiculturalism became the driving ethos to the democrat party that had the effect of opening up of the world of voters for a broken nominee like donald trump. do not open them up permit romney is seen as a corporate mold, globalist mode but donald trump is different enough that these voters long been in the democratic coalition and drawn to it by its historic economic equality suddenly open up and they are free to vote on culture as opposed to voting on class. >> we had a discussion on election day to be 16 and it
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still isn't quite clear what would happen but we know with conventional wisdom that at morning you telling me that he thought the party was chasing a coalition that it wanted rather than what was available to it. that is one thing that we do not quite realize at the time but that is what present troubles doing whether by instinct or design he was chasing the coalition at least in 2016 that was available to the public and party rather than the one that the party had talked about trying to create. >> for sure. after the losses in 2008 and 2012 those republican deep set of naval gazing that they undertook for multiple years and the conclusion always was demographics are not other side and they bought the democratic political argument which is democracy is destiny and it's not other side and this is how we brought in the ethnic composition of our electorate.
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the answer was something that was different. to go and increase the number of votes that the republicans pulled out of industrial communities. those votes were not industrial republican but they were made available by the leftward shift of the party and he was instinct idolatrous part and i think all of his rantings and ravings of the primary about how he might run third party and were not rule out the public a party mistreating and i think that was a nice signal whether intentional or not it so that way and he's not much of republican at all. it made him their injury level product to buy on their public and shelf. >> i want to talk to you about a scene that is not gone away since the president inaugurated and that is the ongoing tension between voters in the media and
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we see it in a different form between democratic voters in the so-called mainstream media but given that we only have one president and a time and were talking president trump that even this week he tweeted about this idea of doing something he can't actually do witches take away press credentials that are granted by the government although some people wonder if was talking about the white house taking away press credentials if he doesn't think the coverage is fair or nice. this is something that plays well with his base and somewhat well, at least, with the broader republican electorate that may not always like way he challenges. he does have a deep suspicion and disappointment with what he views as the mainstream media. two things i wanted to point to. you talk in the book when you write trump use the red-hot scrutiny of journalists to polarize and galvanize voters in
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primary after primary and then in the elections keep [inaudibl. these interviews [inaudible] you ended up writing the shattering of the premise of expertise and i think both play into this in the trump was able to use this to great effect and talk about how important his battle and his prodding of the media has been to his support and his victory. >> the conservatives have always had a little bit of a more of a mistrust of the media. they always have felt though they have been treated unfairly. whether it is true or not that's always been the strength of the republicans.
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in this broader coalition there is this broader mistrust of a lot of things that are big, not just media but government and big business and big hollywood and so you take that mistrust of these bigger institutions and expertise although you put it a different way desmond how do you phrase it? >> it's a lack of willingness to be curated. we want to be our own curators and when we were all going up sears but picked out one brand of tools for us. cressman. they picked one brand of the pile and says, can work. that's what you got. go to sears and roebuck -- that is it in the sears roebuck buyers curated what we would get. we then moved to where walmart curates a few brands and beat their price down and his volume on the shelf but it is still someone curating it. today we go to amazon and buy what ever you think a lot and anywhere in the world.
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it can be at your door and 40s. it's a world where we as individuals don't have to have a filter for our choices. >> let's talk about some of the architects in the book. i think the archetypes in the element of the trump coalition is a big part of the great revolt -- >> by the way, brad has all the names. that is why they are all aweso awesome. >> [inaudible] we are talking about the authors of "the great revolt" inside the populist coalition and were talking about some of your favorite archetypes named by brad and maybe a couple of your favorite interviewees, the people that you interviewed the you just were intrigued by
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the most and what do you do about them. >> when my favorite was girls gun power named by brad and these are suburban women who are college educated, successful life, married with kids and they live in suburban america. one of the things that drove them and one of the most important things that drove them to the polls when their support of the second amendment. it is something that is not -- i don't think it's been talked about enough even "after words" and even now and even today i was at the nra convention last week in the conversation that i had with women about this has been incredibly intriguing. there is one woman named amy who owns a business and cfo of a family business in kenosha, wisconsin, suburban wisconsin, and she was voting for her guns.
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she -- sheet self identified as a feminist and she is who you thought would have voted for hillary clinton and there was a lot of social pressure to do that but because there was so important to her that when we were sitting in the interview she was like yeah i am caring now and i have a couple in my office. people look at me and think i voted for hillary but think again. she thanks that owning a gun and being able to protect herself and her family is the most empowering thing as woman and as a feminist. i found her fascinating. >> talk about some of the others they met along the way and let's look at the archetypes in this way. i think some of the archetypes will be somewhat predictable and you look at red blood blue-collar. >> that's the one that everyone parachute and saw. >> [inaudible] then there are the types that --
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>> i think brad should talk about the king cyrus christian. >> by the way, it helps you understand the king science question. >> king cyrus was a persian empire to the israelites were in captivity and send them back to jerusalem to rebuild the temple. >> you should other. >> yes, you should and there's a conservative evangelicals beaker and he coined the term during the campaign we can come up with it but it describes the notion among evangelicals that trump was perhaps someone who did not identify with them by experience. he struggles when he talks about christianity and is never asked for forgiveness and he talks about that get my cracker and wine and talks about communion and struggles explain what the basic ritual for most christians
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but obviously the connection is not there from a biographical or cultural sense but as ton perkins who runs the family research council says i did not picture because of shared experiences. the victim because of shared priorities. that is or may be shared values or priorities but the priorities is the focus. eventualities decided we've gone with republican candidates who were one of us before and they did not get it done. they do not stop barack obama assault on religious liberty. we need to outsource his job to the meanest, toughest, person we can find. they picked donald trump. i watch as the person in iowa in the caucus progress is working for different candidate but focus group at the focus group i would watch the evangelicals in the caucus progress they're not important part but they're the biggest part, they are the part. i watch these evangelical and i -- they would say ben carson
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and dennis ted cruz because i know he agrees with me on everything in my third choice is donald trump and i would be sitting there in my mouth would drop open. then they start explain it. i'm not sure carson or gentile can win and i'm not sure cruz could beat hillary but trump he is something different. i don't know if she can handle him. he finished second in iowa and a pretty strong second for someone who did not fit the place culturally but it really was a pragmatic choice which i find ironic because a lot of economic conservatives for years have accused the evangelical voter and the republican party not being pragmatic and they felt like they got behind candidates would lose and they put the party i can't tell you how many meetings i sat were republicans complaining about the lack of pragmatism of the evangelical voters. this time they were incredibly pragmatic. there is something that has not
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been noticed. the eight the numbers are in the high '80s of those who supported the president but he's been married three times, used it on howard stern so how did those voters come to back him in huge numbers and show up. if you read the book that salena profiled that it was a struggle and a hard price but she made a pragmatic race. >> she did not decide until she walked to the voting booth. >> let's talk that because so much of the coalition was either a sense of the overwhelming desire but something new had to be tried because nothing else had worked. in other cases it may have been a sense of desperation but i don't mean desperation and that these are people that are desperate but as brad said i'm voting for the guy that agrees with me forever and nothing has changed so what else will i do? you interviewed and talk to voters like this for years headquartered in pittsburgh were
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roaming around so talk to me about the evolution of voters that would have always put character first and always said to themselves there's a way i could vote for a donald trump because of the way he asked now in the way he acted before to get to a point where they said to themselves first, i think i need to consider voting for donald trump and second almost because of that kind of character he is as opposed to in spite of the kind of character he is. >> a lot of people don't like his character flaws but they do like that he stands up for the things that are important to them. it goes back to this pragmatic decision that they did not see anody with 17 people the first iran in a democrat or republican primary and they did not see anyone on that stage is going to stand up for them. as they got down to each person
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they continually started to gravitate more and more towards him. much to the shock and consternation of the establishment or reporters who were dumbfounded but brad and i have been talking about this happening on the ground since the republicans first lost in 2006. the republicans lost to democrats in swing districts but they lost to these moderate democrats who were pro-life, pro-gun, fiscally conservative and i said if we continue to have these wild swings in the middle in the selection cycles and then a recession happened and technology blows up and people say trade it has to do with automation and we see up the populist president and we thought it would be a good guy
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with a goldplated name over his building and, like you said, three lives in his own airplane for the first -- this has been brewing for a while. people just have not paid attention to it but when you have wild swings in the midterm elections the electorate is telling you something. >> i think that notion of a swing voters is relevant. if you look at ohio head 25 or 35 counties from 25 points or more. >> that's huge. >> twenty-three counties switch from obama to trump and it's a huge share of the counties and i will switch from obama to protect counties in michigan switched and we live in a time where a lot of people say swing voters left and that's the operative thought that it's about motivating your base and
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get people to show up. you look at ohio with bonnie smith the process we provide is from that county voted for democrats all the way back. >> jfk. >> you can look new to look back and it was about 555%. trump comes in and pulls a mid- 50s number. there was a swing voter waiting and that was west of philadelphia and east of denver. that's where the swing vote was the came out middle action. >> talk about how integral the great recession was in helping create this coalition. i thank you make this point in several places throughout the book that this is a coalition that trump and not to take credit away from him in the sense that credit that he exploited but that he understood but that was formed regardless of him emerging on the scene and that's the message we take away
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from the book. it's why you believe this coalition is more adorable than others think. talk about it fueled the coalition and what do you think it takes for us to stay together after trump. >> i will throw a data out and then salena can talk about that. asheville, ohio, county of about 98000 people today and had 98000 roughly in 1970. the country has grown by 59% in that period of time. the workforce is the same as it was in the depths of the great recession, just eight years ago. the regular country bounce back [inaudible] but these are not good everywhere in america. we found in our research and we surveyed 2000 trump voters in the site states in the midwest and you'll find the survey in the book that they are
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optimistic about their own personal financial situation and the that is a missed report that you've seen about washington say they are pessimistic and down on their luck but there are optimistic about their own survival and economic situation but scared to death about the community. i don't know as far as how durable whether we can go back to the old way in terms of but one of the interviewees found at harry also has a great way of looking at it. >> these diner in [inaudible] county right by [inaudible] and i walk in these and it's perfect diner with the chrome countertop and as soon as you walk in most people are greeted by the usual and everyone knows everybody and it's the cheers of diners.
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ed is sitting in the back and he has been a democrat just completely tied to the democratic party his entire life. he was a union steward began the union steward and worked his way up to be an arbitrator for the [inaudible] and powerful in the union and in that the vision he was the guy who always brought someone like he was a guy standing on the stage next to bill clinton or al gore or john kerry and he was so ingrained in the democratic party. he voted for bernie sanders in 2016 in the primary in pennsylvania. he found himself about midsummer taking a look at this race and saying i've got to go with trump because the democratic party -- they just are not there for the
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working people. he had been in charge of all the working people in his county. he'd seen the economic devastation and what president trump on inauguration day said what did he call the -- >> forgotten many women. >> he also said there is carnage. he said there was carnage in america and people laughed at him and i was on several panels where people were making a joke about it but there is carnage out there. the ed harries of the world sought. they were trying to save it. they decided that he made a very strong decision that he was going to flip and leave the democratic party behind. for someone that ingrained in the party that was so remarkable for me to see the change in him. the sky was incredibly successful in the democratic party. it was not like he was just some union guy and he worked in the
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shop but was instrumental in the strength of that union. he went to trump rally was at this rally and that is not why met him, though, he went to the trump rally in wilkes-barre and when he got there local news people saw him and they thought what was going on and he goes yeah, i support trump. i guess i will have to resign from the labor council because he was president of the labor council. >> the union point is valid one. there was a time when labor was wag the dog and walter was president with the labor is the biggest q2 shepherd [inaudible] when they endorsed him in a 13.7 million members. when it endorsed hillary clinton and mitchell .5 million members
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and that was not just a loss of a million members because 92 million dragons went but fate and in the selection 136 million so the electorate has gone 50% bigger in the [inaudible] is a small piece of it and run numbers. this reason the democrats have felt credible marching toward cosmopolitanism him if you will not worried about the blue-collar worker because it makes it a much smaller piece of the pie. >> you elaborate on this in the book were you show the difference over the past 30 years between the top fortune 500 companies with the 92 and what they are today and he went back even further. >> i want to do this from memory but i think there was seven companies that from 1972-9092 when brooklyn collected in the top ten fortune companies in america and six that endured from 1962. there are no and voting in america the buddha before the right now. there maybe five people casting
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their ballots from a nursing home somewhere but now it's i think three. >> to be clear, in the book you can see the difference between the fortune 25 in 62, 92, 16 and you see over time the sorts of companies and the people they employ has shifted remarkably and down on the list and some disappeared are the kinds of blue-collar that union workers that was so prevalent in the democratic party years ago and much more prevalent in the electorate. >> be been replaced by companies that have a lot more to do with outsourcing apple and people who make their products in asia, walmart, those who import fro from -- with cvs and united health that depend on government payment schedules for the income you see an evolution from a manufacturing company to a company that is dependent on asian labor and that helps you
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track the trends of why people in government and why people in business have made different decisions without regard to people who worked with her hands every day. >> we are with brad todd and salena about the book "the great revolt". i wanted to ask you a question about the durability of the coalition. ...
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>> versus whatever his ticket will be. mac it is binary and i will make a prediction it is tough and you look like a fool but i certainly did not take him to be the republican nominee for a long time. but my prediction is the democrat in 2020 will nominate someone make hillary clion and barack obama look like a centrist as a move further to the left you opened even more people to be available to president trump. he doesn't have to be everything everyone one than just better than the democratic opponent. but the new framework emerging
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after the 2006 midterm with the wall street collapse with a grassroots republican make -- rethink the relationship with wall street and big business that is how the tea party was created. and mainly the sensibility of 20% of the country that exists but if you are going to look at that democratic sensibility. and in the 72% of the country a disproportionate number have a different worldview. so that enduring framework to win some in the four trump and
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2016 to have that growing discontent and then to grow more disenchanted with those that were available to them and doing with the changes of the global economy with the transition from the 21st century and all those years and especially but haul all that is anchored in discontent. and those that want to know
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what if all the people you're interviewing turnout in a year or so that not that they are unhappy people and then to be unhappy with washington. but then to say with that undercurrent of discontent. for that to impact what we see? >> and then it would break apart quicker. coming here in washington d.c.
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>> i am a steelers fan. >> so it is about moving that apparatus england. >> but there is so much discontent so how important is that? >> i can face my guess is directly it typically last 25 years the temperance movie and to put that into perspective
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but all that the 20th century but but also think about where we are in this or this is the peak and we are about here. my hands are really far apart. and i don't believe to have this coalition imprint at least through 2024. so talk about the nfl. >> but tpp tran civic partnership the one that was most recently on the table to republican senators campaigned in opposition.
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so do republicans understand where the world is right now? and a free trader if there ever was one. and then to vote time and time again and free trade was very proud of that as a house number. and those republican elected officials understand they are in a coalition when they begin running for office. so with the trumpet -- trump administration the democratic party has said good riddance we glad you are gone we will pursue a house in colleton and
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it will catch up eventually with the demography. when moving through life to say to get the rest of your life. so parties have to win the election they are in. but democrats are not adjusting to the coalition. and to the economic equality voters. but then politics we should not confine ourselves to a political discussion because this affects everything we do. but with this cocoon of political leaders. and then that makes a lot more
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sense. and then that is the most decision-makers with major cultural contusion even as the culture becomes interconnected. and have have it control centralized the head of amana appliances growing up in iowa lived in small-town iowa. today the head of a major corporation will not live in small-town iowa and they will be surrounded by other people who have the same exact economic education or profile as they do. the wall street journal had a huge editorial on this.
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and with those that they tested this was the gold standard. but people of all classes and all economic levels that after the situation when the nfl kicked aside in a very political way. so we tested january 2013 and january 2018 and then republican voters over those five years was 91-point. even draft a long one -- among the millennial. so the only educational group at the end of the fiasco the only girl will just group was postgraduate.
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college graduates all net negative on the nfl. and then with the decision-maker the brilliant people no doubt. but then they exist in park avenue new york the mecca quick comment about rosanne. nobody thought that would be a huge hit everybody thought it will be cute and watch it for nostalgia than it will die out. but dave you with the highest ratings in 2007 and she did that because she was able to portray a trump voter. she did not glorify them that she did in a way to make them authentic. that way they could see themselves in that voter. but then to be strong and
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growing. look at the media market and typically new york or chicago and they did even make the top 20 was oklahoma, ohio and pennsylvania and other middle america towns to fill in the gap but new york los angeles and chicago literally because the show was based in chicago the people were watching from chicago but it did not drive the numbers they were not part of that number but that is important and you see t -- tim allen show last man standing cancel despite the readings was brought back by fox. >> fascinating now we have the
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fun part it is time for audience questions. >> looking towards the future those that have done anything for these people. other than the supreme court justice healthcare is a shambles what are they looking at that makes them optimistic? no doubt played as a peace corps justice it was decided over and over again that antonin sylvia that vacancy had a very large shadow over the election. i will grant you all 60 made a good selection.
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so that typical candidate would not win. >> there is no question. and there is a second list later these are the ones i would choose that itself was decided back to us over and over so i knew what i would get. therefore it became a transaction that you trust. that is what it does every day. and then to have a very good killer instinct. people like the fact he takes on their enemies that they think are against their interest. and so that i think in the end with that unvarnished -- goes
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on the other side of the social divide conservatives feel very besieged in that the deck is stacked against them. and then to defend their interests it is no small thing. >> definitely and would not discount the tax reform benefits. ask anybody where i live they have seen plenty of benefit. lacy bonuses a couple hundred dollars extra that is for western pennsylvania. >> when they spacecraft it is come that is armageddon. to reinforce to them they would rather oppose something give me a thousand dollar bonus intact but that district of calamity i was wondering
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how you reconcile that disc act interviewees had as part of the coalition to get the analysis that i think is worthwhile that the social media platform was the essential workaround for the media that is hostile or hypercritical to make if they see a tweet if it live they see it reported on television in 13 different panel talking about how bad it was. so that makes them a little bit embarrassed but not support him they just think i wish you would do that and the same way you say that about your candidate or uncle bill. i'm up into pieces but i really wish you wouldn't do that to make it as a way to
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politely talk about to say i wish you would tweet less i don't like that is a way to say he does and says some things i disagree but generally agree with his agenda. now i think it is a handle to say i'm not in full agreement with everything he does but directionally i am happy. next question. >> in the appendix show of the 2000 people 70% plus identify republican or identify with trump the more periodic tween trump and obama in 70% did not vote for obama in either election. so when that is in play what do they need to push them back in the other direction? there are two groups of voters in play previously democrat or obama voter are very much in
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play for democrats if they do the right thing i also thing high income suburban voters and those that did not vote for trump i think those are in play we have those that did not have any two years ago according to many experts the first thing they have to do is make a home for people with they think religious faith is a big deal thinking that democrats are hostile to second amendment right thinking that they are taking a cultural elitist approach so they we will defend people's right to worship who they choose and stop the assault on the second amendment and that is what. >> i agree. >> have a question over the generation gap or young people in general, he joining this
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movement that you see or is there a gap where some of the country trends more last. >> that millennial that voted very hard for hillary clinton it changes people. often like the swing group of voters but if you get woken with millennial they are much more conservative but there is a small gap and just becoming voters. they are much more independent and conservative it would be interesting to follow them
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over the next ten years. >> great book. a very quick question so there was at peace in the atlantic back in january going through the district groups of people ethically educationally that support the president into the middle or to the end of that column he talks about african-american that i found to be extremely intriguing is the fact that 23% of african-american men support the president. i would like to hear your perspective on why you think in comparison to black women at 11% but you see this and some say it is increasing. why is that? >> it is anecdotally that the experiences that i have with interviews african-american
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men, they say yes. our pocketbooks there is more in my paycheck. they like that and up to the system and they identify with that. like evangelicals they really to look past his flaws to be more pragmatic. at the end of the day culture does drive election but economics really does. >> could you finish up talking about the issues that the president has had with female voters across the board? >> sure. you can take any demographic group he does worse with women than men but with two groups of all females in the group on -- in the book because with
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a little bit worse with republican women therefore any woman who did stayere noteworthy. none have silent suburban females. they were silent but didn't tell their friends. that they were voting for him 20% of the voters didn't want to tell their friends they feared their friends would disapprove it is far larger with women. especially to upper income and upper educated women those numbers are even higher. but there were a group of women for those to help clinton break the glass ceiling and was very effective so the president to be rude and crude and profane on television it was great until hillary montessori clinton came on then it taint so
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definitely there was a hesitancy on the part of the voters to endorse that temperament. but as a group that we profile with the supreme court issue was just too important. the book is called the great revolt. reshaping american politics. thank you so much for joining us this is serious xm go pick up a copy read it and mark it up and keep it handy it will help 17 b-17s the five. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]
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america i have to say that i know many riders that people who have a lot to say are not daunted by the global perspective the whole idea that there is a storytelling if you can go on to be a fiction writer. a great writer on and they
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actually all do it. there is nothing you. >> what has happened now every single group in america feel threatened not just blacks or other minorities, white feel threatened as a study in my book says 67% of the white working class feel they are more discriminated again than minorities. it isn't just muslims and jews that feel threatened but now christians feel threatened.
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it is men and it is tribalism where they claim to be persecuted or discriminated against. so that is part of the demographic change. the second reason has to do with why you are the expert on this and when you read a lot of stuff in the paper, it's wrong. talk about white the premises, white nationalism it is not helpful to call across the country whites the premises. that is not what is happening it is much more which is what i call we almost have to white tribes it is class not just money but educational levels with the cultural divide and it is split with the white
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majority and it is interesting he uses the term ethnic because my field was ethnicity with a 17 page footnote describing what it is that's it is very difficult but the one feature of the ethnic divide if you don't intermarry with cheddar, if it isn't a perfect definition but if you can't intermarry because then that goes away. this is something new in america because of the drastic decline in geographical mobility in this country. it used to be that people from the midwest would do education go to silicon valley check out
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california or any of the coast and then come back. but now it is so expensive to live on the coast and also education is no longer the route that it was to afford mobility people are now stuck. there is much less validity for the cultural elite is a misnomer they are not all coastal they are not all elite in the sense going to professors or journalists or activists coastal ev's are also not all light so it is better to describe the multicultural pretty much everyone in this room. [laughter] like me, whether you are republican or democrat, you
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view yourself as tolerant and you know lots of minorities and you see religious freedom in people from all over the world you probably think of your as not tribal because you believe in individual rights and human rights and cosmopolitanism. while this tends to be very tribal, there is so little intermarriage between this multicultural coastal white but texting with my own family my husband is jewish, there is almost this ethnic divide
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>>host: tee17 in your book you say that everything we

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