tv U.S. Global Leadership Coalition Summit Madeleine Albright CSPAN June 19, 2018 2:46am-3:17am EDT
creation of the george w. bush administration. this is one hour and 45 minutes pgh so,. [applause] i'm a very proud cochair of the board of directors. to start the program we have an opportunity to hear from one of our nation's most experience and widely respected foreign leaders. someone who knows how changes have impact. madeleine albright it is
recognized as one of our nation's most insightful observers of the world today. also the owner of a remarkable collection of brooches and pins which she uses as a diplomatic tool. she served as the 64th secretary of state under president bill clinton. becoming the highest-ranking women in history of the u.s. government. secretary albright is a longtime chair of the democratic institute which works to strengthen democratic institutions and citizens. she is a distinguished professor at georgetown university. our discussion today will be moderated by liz. please join me in welcoming secretary albright and liz. [applause]
[applause] [applause] >> i want to thank sarah for telling everybody who i am. not everybody always knows. not long ago coming back from china chicago was the first port of entry and i was getting undressed for the security people. i put my stuff down on the container been in the woman behind me says so where did you get all the screwtop bottles. i said i got them at walmart. then as i'm going through the tsa garlic sentences all my god, it's you. i'm from bosnia and we all love you bosley. if it weren't for you there would not be a bosnia. you're welcome in bosnia. can i have your picture taken.
so we do that and we took a picture and then the lady with the screwtop bottle said what happened here and i said i used to be secretary of state and she set of bosnia? >> i'm not sure how to follow that one. it is fabulous to have you here. you are an amazing friends of the glc. she got a shot out from bono at youtube last night. she had a pen that was a rock 'n roll pen. >> before we begin, you are the most incredible leader of this organization. [applause] you have built it and of the most dedicated human being in a really good friend.
i think everybody understands what a huge role you play. >> thank you. we have a lot of fun doing different things together. this is a treat for me. there are many things i need to ask you. i'm going to jump into one. you just finished your six book. it had the number one new york times bestseller. it is a little scary one, this one is scary. it is called "fascism of warning" it is an insightful history looking back and telling the alarming warning on authoritarianism around the globe. you bring a history lesson and bring it into today's world. please, what is the warning that
going to write the book no matter who got elected because i was beginning to see more and more divisions in our society certainly in countries abroad, and i wanted to write a historical book that explained what happened and how miscellanea came to power and how hitler came to power, and the things i write about and in turkey and the philippines and venezuela as an example which is what happens when the divisions in the society are exacerbated by a reader that thinks of his own power, so it is a warning. the best quote in the book said
if you quot"a chicken in the boy would notice a. let me ask you to bring to a point thame to apoint that you n government. you became secretary of state at the turner century when the soviet union had collapsed. you've spoken often about americamerica and the indispense nation, the global leadership being important in why we are gathered here and so playing off of your book and your time as the secretary of state.
what happens in czechoslovakia committee agreement that will be 100-years-old was at times that there was an agreement made between the british and italians about czechoslovakia america wasn't there and that is something i grew up with. then blamed the americans came in when i first fell in love with those in uniform that was clear that everything had changed once the americans had come in.
then as a result of world war ii, europe was divided into the country that i was born in and all of europe and central were behind the iron curtain. i won't go beyond the history that's what has america done. you talk about the marshall plan. it was the key in pushing america into the role that we were four the old national interests understanding what would have been a. when i was at the united nations in 93, partially there was a question as to whether americans were interested in this policy especially after the gulf war and a number of things were resolved and it was the end of the cold war so we have to make clear our engagement and it
identified with me but there is nothing about the word aloud. it just says we need to be engaged. americans don't like the word of multilateralism. it has too many syllables and it's basically a partnership and so that is why america needs to be a part of being interested and involved in the global governance because it is good for our people and it's also good for the world. but if we are not engaged and begin to act as though we are victims all the time, i think we are losing in so many ways. either way, i'm going to europe tomorrow, and i'm going to spend quite a lot of time there in a variety of different conferenc conferences. it is something that is not appropriate normally for a former diplomat to criticize your own country when you are
abroad but if i'm going to be truthful, the last few weeks have been appalling in terms of what we have done and partnerships to understand how the international system works and how i'm going to explain to members what just happened. but i do think we are indispensable and if we lay back and it's going to be very damaging for our own people and the world. [applause] >> let me ask you if you can pick up on something i said at the opening which is about this competition. you and i talked about this. i know you've been visiting on your book tour from businesses around the country, and i often hear about china or competitors going to europe, japanese out there in the developing world.
china now has a development bank and is spending seven times more on their one g-golf one road initiative and we spend on the e marshall plan. in africa alone they have invested 520% more in their development increase in the development plan than they did in the last 15 years. so the question is do you think we are falling behind. but in our defense did a good investment program are you concerned about it and how do we talk about it economically. >> to understand the policy effects in other countries and how we build our strength on the fact others are free to in a
terrible situation where they are in subjects to those people that don't like it so it is essential that we understand the role. i think the other problem out there is that we are not living in the kind of benign world. the chinese are out to challenge us and it's interesting i go to china quite often, and i'm always tired when everyone says they are a proud people. everyone is a proud people, but i think they felt that they had been disrespected, invaded and subjected to western values and they are now in a position to exert their influence and they are doing that. they must be getting very fast because the one g-golf is getting larger and larger and in so many places they are doing exactly what you said.
they are also doing not only investing in the country's commitment to providing grants in a lot of different ways. they are also beginning to create regional alliances for themselves. they are the ones that open up the pieces, but they are also pushing a central asi central ae middle east and africa and latin america more and more. so, i think that we need to understand what it is doing to us. i do think the hard part, and we talked about this. it's wonderful to have leaders from all over the united states. your story i think it's very isy important. how do you explain foreign policy to people? i have made it my mission to make the foreign policy. i've traveled and i would go
into classrooms. what's interesting is mostly in our classrooms it is with the western peninsula i would always ask the teachers to bring in the globe and show that most of the people live on the other side of the globe so any number of things. most recently i have to say. they have this whole thing tasting coffee every day. you would think that it's fine wine because they make you inhale it. and they talk about where their coffee comes from. on that particular day it was from the democratic republic of congo and they were explaining how what they do to make sure they are worried about the
environment in any number of different things which is very important to that are the leaders in the coffee is only grown in hawaii we need to be doing good at the same time. i do think there have to be stories to explain why the day have an interest and there's any number of stories and i think that is what has to be made relevant to people. >> what i said about the story lets me switch to a couple of topics that are a little more current which is north korea. all that happened with north korea in the last week leading up to it, you were the elected
secretary of statsecretary of sh the leader and my question is from your experience, hope that we might get somewhere, and my question is with a new sheriff in town i know he reached out to you. do we have some hope? >> i'm often asked if i'm in a possessed or pessimist. i'm an optimist who worries a lot. i'm very glad that this took place because i do think that having diplomatic exchanges is better than shooting wars, but i am worried because i don't know how this will be followed up. what is interesting is to look at the flimsiness of the agreement was signed as basically just a general praises
and if i go back and look at the other agreements that we've had with the north koreans, whether it is a framework or the six party talks, they were very detailed and still not lived up to because part of the issue here is the justification and i think that from what i can tell, there hasn't been much discussion about that. so, i am hoping that secretary pompeo has all the things he needs in the system in order to make this work. i do think it's important to have a functioning space program and by the way, what happens as i listened to his hearings, what impressed me is that he said he wanted to make sure the state department was revived and also democracy was important. when he called me that is basically what we talked about.
there were so many signals i was asked whether it was a win-win, and we have to make sure it is a win-win. and the secretary has a very big job including trying to figure out what the leaders said. >> thank you for that. let me go back to the secretary. you and i have been very vocal over the last year about the concerns over the budget cuts, concerns over making sure the state department has its share
of personnel. democracy programs have been a priority certainly for both of us. i know he asked you for your advice. what was your advice? >> he was interested in some of the things i had written and i had written about the state department budget and the importance of it and democracy, and i do think that the following because you all know it when you talk about how much the state department budget is. but the budget for the defense department function is like
$700 billion a. it's very difficult for them to do plus in fact the money that goes for the foreign assistance. we always talk about this i don't think that these are two words that go together. i think that we should call it national security support. i know a lot of people would've preferrewouldprefer that won't . i do think that it is very important when people go to the hill to explain as local leaders but this is absolutely essential.
also for the foreign assistance budget and generally it's very important. and there is help across the aisle. >> you said you are an optimist, and i love that you are an optimist but is realistic but you travel all over the world and we are going to talk about some of the big crisis in the world today, famine, terrorism, hunger refugees, they are problems but share with us when you travel the world and see things that are difficult. >> would give me great hope is the younger generation i have to say because of the things again
you were talking about that resounded as many of them have been educated in the united states are ridiculous laws at the moment are keeping people tg people out or are undermining the education to want to spend time learning about what's going on in the foreign countries, but i think basically the younger generation generally is what gives me hope. they want to help their country. they want to be literate in terms of the new technical capabilities and a member of thingnumber ofthings, the same . we are all used to this saying see something say something and i've added onto that, do something. there is yet to be a book or a speech given to us" robert frost. i've quoted him and he said the
older i get the younger the teachers. we are seeing it in other parts of the world and that is what gives me hope is the kind of can-do approach. >> you teach at georgetown. do you find with your students are you getting more students enrolling in the international foreign policy development? >> there'there's a pot of studes interested. they are going back to what we were saying because i think that what has happened, and i'm hoping the secretary's views will no longer be because when he went to the hill, they were operating and he didn't want it and i think the secretary is.
what is happening is not only were they in the state department als but also cuttingp the pipeline. they are interested in foreign policy. that is interested to get to interesting is the number that has traveled abroad that want to be a part of the development story to figure out other ways and i do think that what i found more and more interesting in my own is the role of the public-private partnership. it would be a loss for the public sector but i do think the partnership is very important. >> the number of people here is extraordinary and i think secretary albright, if you don't
know, they've been an extraordinary driver of th publc partnerships working with the business community. because of time i'm going to end with the following question, so i would urge you all to read not only the last book which will give you an extraordinary look into both the history as well as the current world order, but also take a look which is my last question of the earlier book, which is an extraordinary look at the toolkit of how the secretary has set the bar on diplomacy, of using pins to help move diplomacy forward. all of us are going to capitol hill tomorrow to meet with our legislators to advocate for the
importance of democracy. what should we either virtually or actually wear tomorrow to make your case? so which are you wearing today and which one should we wear tomorrow? >> is thit is the effort to make foreign-policy less foreign. right after the gulf war cease-fire had been transferred over and i was in instructed ambassador and my instructions were to make sure the sanctions stayed on so every day i said something terrible about saddam hussein and all of a sudden a problem appeared comparing me to many things, but among them i
had a pin i started wearing whenever we were talking about iraq. i wore flowers and butterflies and balloons and on that day i wore whatever other animals. they would say what are we doing and i would say read the pin. but in order to be germane, when i was the secretary of state, we found that the russians were bugging the state department, so we found a guy listening to us if we did what diplomats do and the next time i met with foreign
minister come i wore a huge bug and he knew exactly what i was saying. [laughter] [laughter] i am wearing the statue of liberty today because i am a refugee and what is going on now is un-american and they really do hope people talk about this because the truth is in fact to go back to my book, what happened is my cousin was sent over and separated from her mother so what is going on now, anand by a line myself with the general who made very clear how this all is said this is not the america that we are all proud of and so i would urge them i wouldn't mind some statute of liberty but i also do think that i have a statute, a pin that is pain that isa statue of an angef