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discovered it's anything but gray and stodgy. this is a very lively, very colorful, beautifully illustrated read that really brings the history of the women's movement of the 1960s through the 1980s to life. i said movement because bonny bonnie morris and he cao author used the plural. there was a diversity of votes and they vividly reflect the wide range of women involved, women of all races, ages, and backgrounds. the second half of the 20th 20th century was a period of dynamic change for women. a time when women's rising figured prominently in political campaigns and demonstrations. those years marked efforts by women to reclaim their bodies and identities, saw the found offering women's publishing hours and pioneering
publications like ms magazine and usher inside changes in attitudes towards women's work and social roles. this so-called second wave of feminism developed alongside and often overlapped with other movements, including those for civil rights and against war and nuclear weapons. the "the feminist revolution" chronicle the merging currents. bonnie is an established expert on that period. she taught women's history for 22 years at georgetown and george washington universities. before moving last year to california, where she is now a lecturer at berkeley. she is also written more than a dozen previous books. her co-author is a researcher and curator who is currently research fellow at the university of sussex. dim withers couldn't be with us but we're delighted that bonnies from the west coast so please join me in welcoming her.
[applause] >> hi there. i can't say enough how grateful i am for the opportunity to be here at politics and prose. a bucket list agogo and i want to thank a lot of people. think many of you are aware that i'm a longtime washingtonian. and a longtime resident of connecticut avenue. so here i am back on connecticut, and i've had a wonderful set of decades invested in book store culture in washington. every book i've published, i wrote as a washingtonian. so, it's fitting to celebrate this one, which is number 15, and simultaneously i want to remind folks that i also have an older book that is a tribute to the theater of washington no gone, the biograph, the circle,
the key, the kb barronette, and i have a time travel mystery novel set in a haunted women's bar that just got nominated as finalist for the forward award in lgbt texas. so i'm very happy about that. and this book, gee, i want to explain a little bit about how suited it is for our time, and i'm going to read a little bit from some of the pithier sections and then in the grandtradition we'll take q & a at the end and i will linger probably in the downstairs coffee house as long as people can stay awake. the first thing that i want to emphasize is we're living in a cultural moment when many of the older issues of feminism are new again, and i think the #metoo movement, the incredible
attention to abuse of young athletes that we have seen through the trial of the gymnastics doctor, and the fight for equal wages everywhere, from teachers in west virginia, to athletes and actresses. they're reintroducing issues my aware of but can be revisit vividly through a book like this. was approached a couple years ago by the elephant book company in britain, which wanted to do a kind of display and explain version of second wave feminism, and they very kindly approached me as an author with a voice they liked, and my job was to do an overview of the u.s. women's movement from 1966 to 1988, and my counterpart in inning len wrote about what was burgeoning in britain during those same years.
we very much wanted to write about the past through the lens of current intersectionallity, and also to bring alive an era before there was an internet, when most of the main issues and messages and slogans were communicated through song, pins, broadsides, posters. so, if i may, the book is beautifully illustrated with photographs, images, all kinds of original artwork, original posters, album covers, and i'm very proud to say the front part, these are pins from my college backpack, photographed on my cellphone in my backyard. and here they are published by the smithsonian. what are the odds. just makes me smile. don't ever throw anything out and you'll be a successful historian.
one often my beloved students in intr towoman russ studies classes all over the country know but this particular history. i think there's a lot of stereotypes about second wave feminism. one now is that it was only white feminism and, therefore, should be demonized and that's a very destruct stiff stereotype, which is simple play product of generational tension and i'm happy to stand in that gap. then ongoing we have traditional critique of feminism as a movement so while i was signing books at the smithsonian yesterday, a woman came up to me and said, hi, you look like a nice lady. do you hate men? do you want to destroy the family? and i'll go -- i thought something like that might happen and i didn't have a script, and i said i'm their get as many girls as possible into sports,
and then i lawn bed my title ix rant, and she said, oh, well, that's different. and -- but it's not. it's the same. at any rate, the book is orgad to introduce to women who are veterans of this kind of activism, women who are participating in it in their 20s now, and people who are suspicious but want to see and know more, to go through the sort of political awakening of women who realized they're left out of the political process. the very personal attachment of issues to lived experiences, summed in the slogan "the personal is political." then and almost immediate lay chapter on black feminism and tension between black and white and also the very productive
presses, writings, art, discourse, produced by black fem i nists which -- feminists whict of panel have forgotten or been reluctant to inscribe because of desire to see second wave feminism as white only. so i emphasize the work of shirley chisolm running for president, barbara jordan, flow kennedy, patsy mink, the first asia-american congresswoman and all of that and much more. then there's chapter that looks at the way that publishing and in particular ms. magazine circulated information to women isolate communities before internet and before instant transmission of information. and that was a lot of fun because as a writer i was eager to see the names of many old
presses and newspapers in different cities immortalizees, shameless husbandy press, down there press, daughters incorporated, newspapers like big mama rag, in d.c., of course, we had off our backs. these were whimsical titles for angry feelings and they're an example of the use of language before there was cyber space to communicate imparked attachments to ideals and new ways of imagining women apart from men's version of women. then there's a chapter that is very much about the awakening of lesbian identified women and the pursuit of rights of voice, visibility, or separation and women identified music, music festivals, art, literature, and film, with a side bar on what were the first sort of mainstream films of lesbian
characters like in being different and the vilification dramas of yesteryear. so then we have a whole section on music, art, and the contributions of women like judy chicago, the women's building in l.a., and the art schools that allowed women to pursue different approach to visualizing women and celebrating the body in ways that are not necessarily pornographic. big chapter on reproduct tough rights, same old, same old, trying to get accurate, safe, contraception and access to abortion if desired, and the degree to which women were actually reluctant to question a physician or demand information which now seems obvious and you can in fact do your own research to a degree through sometimes questionable but often useful web sites. and then finally, chapters that look at women in the antiwar
movement, the peace camps movement, as we lived in fear of nuclear annihilation under reagan, and a good bit of where we now ending with the women's march and beautiful photographs thereof. part of what i wanted to emphasize is that obviously a theme running through all my remarks is before we could connect in cyber space and social media, it was really important to show up physically at a site which allowed you to see other women who might or might not look like you or be interested in your issues or push you a little farther around in thinking what is a feminist. the rally that many of us attended this weekend is an example of seeing the range of human capacity and the age and ethnic variety in a progressive
movement. but lacking a way to be in touch with one another, physical gatherings had so much meaning, especially for women who had the same plaintive refrain, i thought i was the only one. and the book really emphasizes couldn't -- consciousness raising groups, collectives, the impact of women going to her first women's music concert and seeing a hall that was majority female, majority unshaven armpits, whatever. that sense of being a force that came from gatherings, that is something that is hard to reproduce in facebook, although you can transmit your rage instantly to the whole world now. so a lot of what i wanted to do was site where major rallies, demos, regularly meeting groups, were, and kind of remind
everybody that if you put a virtual push pin on a map of the u.s., every city had a woman's become store, every city had a woman's journal or newspaper, every sit had some kind of women's center. a lot of time these were little store fronts. at various times d.c., of course, had the founding of olivia records and that music was transmitted through radio-free women at georgetown, which became sophie's parlor. we had women's music festival sister fire. lamp ma's book stores and all of this is disbursed and the need to remind folks how feminist a city, any city was. it's paramount. why it disappears, changed because of technology, politics.
hard to say. for me washington z washington was a playing where i went through every iteration of awakening to feminism, place where i wore women's symbols to school as a teenager, at western junior high. i actually have classmate from ninth grade here tonight. i demanded my right to play socker in that school, showing up in the principal's office of the "time magazine" saying title nine says i can play soccer badly. what are you going to do about that? i experienced issues with battery in that school, defending my best friend from what was going on in her house. i awakened to my own identity, sending away for magazines and explore what it might mean to come out as a lesbian. i went to my first dance with women in washington. for me, listening to music on
washington's station and being able to connect later on with heroine i admired, chit was christine brennan or judy-0 women who war in congress by then. all of that enabled me to see myself on the timeline of feminist activism. i had the first or second person minor in women's studies at american university, and thin taught women's studies at george down and gw and au, and attended pretty much every march on washington. so, i want to read just few little bits, and give you a sense of the way that complicated topics are boiled down, can't do better than our bodies, ourselvessing are right? how explosive was that? okay, this is just a little bit
from the beginning of that chapter. he dem e a platform nor feminist revolution was every women's right to control her own body. yet in the movement residents new publications, media interviews, and in the truth-telling space of consciousness raising groups, many women admitted they barely knew their bodies. few had been encouraged to explore, understand their own preproductive organs, whether for health concerns pleasure. the female body was too often a source of shame, exploited for male desire and commercial benefit, ruled by the state or burdened with a complications of pregnancy and motherhood. seemed to belong to everyone but the woman herself. gere coming of age encounter debraiding euphemism and slang for vanina, menstruation, lot of virgin justice pregnancy. all of that encouraged a culture hover him and few i'm w him a
been trained to speak openly about bodily functions or use their correct him in. in western cultures even the scientifically collecttime ford female anatomy derived from medical laten or were named for male resuch science tice. the fallopian tubes made for an italian anatomies, gabrielle filopi oui. women 'odeliver a would baby surgically have a cesarean, and greek times that long define a woman's vagina in terms of desive eye or male dominance, female emotional hit stair ya supposesly caused by a woman's unstable woman which could be cured by hit recollect my, and vagina means for a sword.
the early 20th century, even nicknames for clirotis were mail identified, the boy in the bit, the guy in the boat and so forth. simply learning but one's self was inmom when human sexuality text boop's himmed to readded 18 and older. you could marry at 14 but not get access 0 books on adult marital sexuality until you were 18 pornography did a disservice to women. feminists demanded change. they also learned from one another that even women who developed the confidence to fend off male street harassment were note necessarily pro-active in doctors office. socialized to see the male physician as an authority, whom patients should not challenge, women now had to learn to assert
themselves during routine and crisis medical appointments. after generations spent passion live accepting prescription and subject to a he health care system, women turned to feminist centers for self-diagnosis and empowerment. okay so a little bit from the chapter on the feminist health movement. that is so important at our time because it seems there's never an end to the fight for both fair and affordable contraceptives, services and so on, but being free to ask questions without being shamed, and i think many women recall being given hurtful advice by a doctor, here's what i recommend to you, missy, keep your legs
crossed, that's right sort of thing. common when i was in college. okay. so, i see i have marked down here page 146. how come? let's see. ahem. all right. this is a little bit about the use of words and other kinds of slogan that were playful. very damaging stereotypes is the feminists have no sense of humor. i think of myself is a terribly funny, and so i always write the fun chapter first, and look at humor and many hover miss friends or comedians, feminists were wordy and word critical and began to take control of the media and printing presses to define their own language. the women's liberation movement famous introduced new catch flyings and slogans and theory, asking one and al to consider
the weighted meaning of language such is a chick, bird, and slut, fireman, police ma'am, and chairmann. rallying cryings are now. sisterhood is powerful, take back the night, uppitiy women unite. the personal is political. women loving women. amazon women rise. these drew new participant to a revolution engaging the mind of millions of women. women changed spellings to define themselves separately, using women or wymen with a y. which in france an entire feminist philosophy was founded on the concept of the feminine, emphasizing female differs to the written worth. these ideas which ex-ordinary oaterred audiences to, were introduces through pamphlets and posters and poems and music. the shared rhetoric spread the ideas and they encouraged women
to narrate their own lived experiences. american historian right ruths rosen says no area of -- was livelier pan thoser art but some printing shops did not care to serve a radical feminist client, re-expects orders to publish offensive material, particularly work that celebrat ited a woman's loving sensibility and these were cultural barriers that had to be overcome. from the sexist idea that normal wouldn't couldn't be writers to the basic fact that women were marginalized in every aspect of the publishing industry. so women had to responsible in a pro-active manner, and they started women only publishing companies, printing cooperatives, type-setting collectives, and book shops. and this gave women confidence to learn new skills that would be vital to support the eruption of women's writing, filling bookshelves and libraries in this period of time.
and part of what i wanted to make sure was included was not simply a list of names, of radical feminist writers we have forgetting, who are not taught in middle schools. but more who were the hunters and gatherers who not only wrote new material but discovered women who went before them who were not taught. how many women realize, gosh, i have ad vaned degree and i haven't been taught about women in art or other writers, and without being able to go online, you had to talk with other women, have you heard of so and so? have you heard of this snook let me loan it to you. and no amazon or anything either. you had to drive three states to try to get a book out of other a library in maine. actually did this.
please, please, will somebody con femur confirm that this author was gay. i had to borrow an academic i.d. card to get into a library -- first maine and then at carnegie melon to get one entry by one person on the life of louise fitzhugh, and what i found situation as a footnote in that entry because i was one of the best few people who has written about this author. it all turns into a circle of people who are passion out in about seeing their life connected with someone they read. okay. and then we get to the women's music movement. okay. so, ahem. my golly.
just give me a second here. there's so much material. ah-ha. during thing you driven 1960s the women's music industry -- excuse me -- the music industry accelerated on capitollized on protest music. u.s. radio and record stores delivered the sound of authority being questioned, and that did include some new feminist narratives from aleague frank lynn respect to the tribute to native american cull-under and helen reddy's hit, i am woman. despite the commercially successful artist's numb of the claimed females singer-song writer ands the all wish rock band fanny making the top 40, women were more likely to be visible fronting for male ban bands or singing about boying are girl love. few were independent artists recording and finding their own sound.
some women's liberationists wanted to contracted a curl few separate from men and viewed popular music as a cultural battlefield, and citing songs suns an the rowling stone's under my thumb which they enter operated as celebrating male power over women and urge that new music be inventer it that was relevant to liberatessed women's live so many american women's artist who were powerful in the folk civil rights nift shifted to a new genre called women's music which took root in the earl 1970s. and this included the chicago women's liberation rock ban the new haven liberation wok band released a 1972 album titled mountain moving day, tackling issue's of rape, abortion, equal pay and patriarchy, and then we come to the artist oses olivia records, founded near washington, celebrate ing 4
years. between 1974 and 1975 the growing popularity of women's music in the u.s. respond -- keeping control of production in the women's hands so women only sound corporations, female album distribution, women's music festivals and in the united states, the first festival at university of illinois in 1974. performers, producer, album distributors and fans supported an underground yet visible sub cultural and that forges the first network october seesible lesbian celebrities at a time when no other performers or politicians were out. so, i'm very adamant about being a conduit between the generations and passing information along, noting where many of these institutions
continue to thrive, questioning why others faded out and nurturing students to do oral histories of all the living -- well our elderly feminist heroines are alive and kicking. a couple of other things and then i truly want to open it up to discussion. part of the problem in generating more access to this kind of info is we don't really bring women's history and became's studies into middle schools and high schools. we have made women's studies and women's history a specialization you can do when you get to college, not everybody guess to college. and it's really a reflection of the fear of anything that has to do with the female body being addressed in middle school, which is exactly the time those discussions should be held.
many of my best students turn in fantastic papers about not just slut shame budget the way this school dress codes penalize girls but not boys for wearing clothing that could be declared disruptive and arousing, the way tall girls are ripped off when they have to ware a uniform skirt that covers their knees. and the way that in particular developing african-american girls are often disciplined for wearing clothing that is called out as provocative. this is a subject of a great student film made by my wonderful student at berkeley, avery kim, and she did a little documentary about how all this was playing out at bronx science. i would add that where you teachers trying to bring women's history information into the classroom beyond the tokenism of women's history month, pta
boards and textbook vetting boards and prominent evangelical activists have lot to do with keeping anything about women bland, traditional, white, and christian in our textbooks. so it is a disservice to young people that better books are not available at earlier ages, and all i can hope for is that bringing books into the home can kind of compensate for what schools are nervous about introducing. i was lucky to go to a hippy school, good quaker school, carolina friends, which at the time, when i was 11, introduced a class simply called "women" where the main textbook was" outsider bodies, ourselves" and you had to have a responsibility rating of five to be not class because maturity was such a important fact.
you're looking at nude women. that class allowed me at 12 to take essentially my first women's studies class. i had to produce a 20-page paper, and we did a dramatic reading of the seneca falls declaration of sentiment at the downtown ywca and you see the results. i became a women's studies professor. i'm very grateful to california friend school. that is a very atypical experience, and i was an unusual kind of kid. i had been lucky to have a particularly good memory and almost photographic memory, and i began keeping a journal at age 12. this is volume number 183. and i've been able to reconstruct through some of my own writing but also actually having participated in political action since i was seven.
what the mood was -- and i did take notes or remember visibly what women were wearing, what did their t-shirts say. what were the signs that women carried, what were women saying to one another. summing up little tidbits from that well is -- that's the glue that keeps the heavy topics together. wow, that was a bunch after mixed meat afore but you -- metaphors but you get the general idea. the book sort of is specific to right after the founding of the national organization for women and through the end of reagan administration. because so much in that time was about cold war drama that i think lot of people have forgotten. it was still possible to call a woman a commie pinko for her sentiments.
that changed to terrorist when you want to bring somebody down. and name-calling is a worthy of study as it changes in its iterations. so, in no way is this meant to be a complete summary of the second wave or the of 60s or '7s so themselves or getting intime political office -- women into political office but it's far more than a doorstop of a book, and i'm already hoping to write a volume 2, and delighted to tell some of you anxious parents out there that i also still work for the ap u.s. history exam, not only reading students' writing but second wave history and hopefully influencing some of the questions. i think that that's a place where we can see a burgeoning of interest in smart young people in writing but recent feminism,
and i'm going to be working on all this material for the rest of my life with here and energy. so, now i'll be -- with cheer and energy. now i'll be happy to hear from you. i'm extremely grateful for this opportunity to be at politics and prose. [applause] >> again, open -- oprah has declared this is one of the top ten book nikolas country to read for women's history month so you have five days left. i you have a question, please come up to this attractive microphone here. i'll move my journal but my journal has enjoyed having a moment in the limelight. what's your name. >> i'm ann, and i want to thank you for bringing back exciting memories of hearing gloria
steinem come speak to us, freshman week, and this was a college which had just merged. my class was going to be the first class to go to a united school rather than enrolling in the associated women's college. but recently i have heard different things in the press along the lines of, well, perhaps women's schools are really better for women in terms of giving them more opportunities for leadership. and i had always felt. i you're going to be competing in the real world, and being also someone who grew up in d.c. public schools which were co-educated, that you compete with those people -- compete with everyone for leadership positions.
but having survived the ten-year reign or terror of a holy oak grad at work who kicked down equally at both men and women, i'm kind of wondering and i'm just wondering what your spiff perspective is on that. >> number one, i think that it really depends on the individual. at georgetown, many students over the years, from same-sex parochial schools who had had a terrific experience of seeing themselves as a majority with all fear mail leadership, during the years that might have been lease confident -- least confident and they arrived completely believing in female authority, female leadership, female power because they had seen it, and for many of them it was shock to be in classes where the idea of female leadership was questioned or other students
acted less confident than themselves. i know that there is a lot of debate about the degree to which women are better prepared to tackle debate with men or issues in a mixed workplace if they don't have a co-ed education. so, i'm dish can see both sides. i'm famously equivocating, but only because i also see the benefits of some students of color who have endured a mostly white school system, going to historic black college and university and seeing themselves in the intellectual majority for even a couple of years. i think nor right person, having a specific kind of education will make the difference in their drive. so i'll say i see it both ways. that's as wishy washy is a ever
get but thank you. come on up. hello. what's your name? >> rick. >> hi, rick. >> two quick questions. one is, what are the challenges that you think young girls face today going forward? that's one. and the other is, will this country ever have a female president? >> gosh, okay. let's say the first one. i -- from what i see the same issues that were percolating in the '8s80s have not gone away that's when i was in grad school and beginning to write and publish. i think body image, eating disorders, the relentless pursuit of impossible perfectism, the feeling of having to be dynamic in every direction but not so striden't that your unattractive. that is not gone away and it's
exacerbated by social media which is something i don't think anyone was prepared for, from cyber bullying to women calling each other out, and demanding, deinformanting and calling each other -- deplatforming and death greats. i don't have an answer for that kind of attack. identity certainly from one over to last generation to good out and play with no phone running around in the woods and lying on my floor, writing with a pen or a crayon even. but i think a big change is that the students that i have listened to closely often conflate feminist success with celebrity or making it commercially, and when i ask them to name ten fem misleader -- feminist leaders
they'll name ten famous people who are not necessarily doing anything to advocate feminist change. a way of looking at your second question. that to me is part of the phenomenon where we have women who have benefited from feminism who are now very prominent conservative speakers and lobbyists who live no differently than any writing where, publishing, teaching, speaking, but the content advocate women should stay at home and be traditional. and therefore, i think people need to look in a candidate in anyway race forks someone who is benefiting from femininity change without giving back it to or who openly mocks it while being a beneficiary. i think that young women are doing very well using social media for accelerating they're
own issues and also have to be very literate in media literacy with looking at who is getting a whole lot of air time who looks like they're empowered because they get air time, and is that a role model that you want to emulate? eg i have very little in common with ann coulter but people would say but she is rich and well known and her face is on magazines. often i do the same trick that was done -- not a trick -- a game -- the first day of my first women residents studies class where students are told name ten women you admire but can't be in the entertainment industry. and on that day long ago, american university, i won big points because i put jane good y'all at number one, and that's
because -- good doll and that's because i grew up in a house that could only watch -- women in the sprays program, one for reasons we're resonating with the film, hidden figures, is not only for its expo say on how racism keeps everyone book, but it is typical of names that might inspire young women that aren't handed to them. and knowing what an adult woman's career's trajectory might look like. even under less than ideal conditions. might bring a candidate that we all feel like we can vote for. next. look at this line, hi. >> hi. >> you look familiar. >> i'm natalie. >> okay, hi. >> so, i'm young but i want to know sort of like what i can do
and what -- >> wow -- >> what is the -- i know participate and bring books into the home. >> that's jus the beginning. well, so, i think obviously registering to vote, writing letters every time you see something that you think shows bias. it is so convenient -- you can send a letter to an editor or a letter of operates as well as complaint, in your pajamas or naked while enjoying cookies at home if had to put a stamp on an envelope and walk to a mail box. so, be an advocate. do a letter every day before you good to sleep, keep a journal, make sure that your own historical moment is well-recorded. and read other women's journals so that you know what tools they used in their era. if you can, begin some kind of
column. you can blog. yeah, be acquainted with the range of services in the community. what is lacking and can you fill that? ensure that you are involved in looking at the material culture of your time. what are ads telling women the must have or should wear, is get for them? can you address that in some way? because we spend so much time worrying about how we look and what to wear. and be mindful of when you get a moment at the microphone, have a couple of sound bites ready because more than ever above every is likely to be able to talk to me media and easy to freeze. shirley chism is one of the pest
people to model in the manner and i talk about her campaign. when rude people -- there were many -- threw rude question -- and there were many -- at her she had a trick in deflecting that gave her time think about how she bonded to respond. she would repeat the question back to the person. someone said to her white don't you think that the congressional black caucus supports your campaign? which was wrong and rude. and her response was, one of the reasons i think that some but not all of the members of the congressional black caucus may not be as supportive as i would like in my campaign -- buy the time she was done she had her answered without looking like she was flustered or unprepared. practicing that is a trick that is linked to the one thing i sometimes am critical of the classroom with my students. i'm a really nice professor but
i have too many women who begin a question with this might be really wrong but -- really stupid but -- might not be what you're looking for and that kind of putting yourself down has got to go and that's not only generational. that's something women do so they don't seem too assertive, too strident so practice sounding firm but you don't have to be mean, like some populist figures. >> a followup question. >> sure. >> i am a project manager and so i have to manage people and a lot of them are men, and when i am firm but not mean, i get criticized for being not nice. >> not nice. >> yes. >> well, that is a real hard one for me. i'm very invested in being nice, and i was raised by parents who believed in being smart but nice, and i'm still appalled
when people are not nice. male or female. on the other hand, once in a while i think the hardest thing for women is to understand you might not be popular with everyone and you want to be popular with the people you care about and nurture how they feel if you speak too swiftly. but hard to be nice to everyone. sometimes you can say, no, with a smile, and the way that people only figure out later on. what do i mean? a prominent family awarded me a small scholarship grant when i was in grad school. the named after a woman in the family who had died and the other members of the family who were quite conservative came to he i give me this check check,
bristling with disgust a young feminist had won the prize. i was there, broke grad school, a desperately needing the mop and a hostile gentleman walked forward with a check needed to talk he said you're not some kind of feminist are you? i said, yes, sir, i sure am, and i didn't want to argue and i didn't want to say, what do you mean? all i could do is say, you're right, sir, not too carey, right? and -- not too scary, right? and people are disarmed when they realize you're not scary but you have to come to after an understand hogue scary can you -- understanding how scary can you be and have them not scared. thank you. what's your name? >> my question is is there any hope for the -- becoming more common for at the proper naming of female genitals? i notice often that the word
"vagina issues when the correct word is vulva nor exterior of the women's genitals and i was on jury duty recently and the attorney and her stead, the witness, referred for instance, a step father touching with his foot a girl's vagina which was meant was a vulva and what does mean we don't name the parts right. >> what a great question i'd like to indicate on the very first page we have my pin, viva la vulva. from many years of my backpack. so, i'm with you on that one. i think the reluctance to be clear and accurate comes from a horror of women's body which is ongoing, and i think the way that language is rendered pornographic so it's difficult
to use it in film and tv reflects the idea that the woman's entire self is pornographic. that's goes back to the ancient world. i don't know how to get people to use correct language, pretty much every family has their fake words, and, boy, if i want to get a classroom of people to squirm and turn purple, all i have to do is say what their fake words in your family. no one will reveal that one. but we did a whole reclaiming of proper words in one kind of poetry slam moment in my classroom, and i think that the spoken word movement is actually what is going to give people the confidence to scream correct language into a mic and then feel like they could actually say it in a legal or medical
situation. yes, sir. hi. >> how are you? >> i'm great. he what's your name is. >> i'm andre. i'm going to say of a silverster stallone type manly man that it am, but still have a lovingly beautiful six-year-old daughter, how would i portray in her or input in her the type of qualities i want to instill in her but still let her be the most immaculate woman she can be. >> wow. well the fact that you're even thinking about it says you're halfway or three-quarters of the way there. had a great friend in my dad. he was my ally and supporter, and the greatest gift he gay to me was engaging me intellectually at the dinner table which made my comfortable with holding my own with adult
men while in a familiar setting of the home family and food. all things that made me feel nurtured, and going back to those conversations, i became a confident person and anything that troubled me in the school i could unpack with my father, and the ability to talk honestly and then also understand she'll have private thought shed may not share but doesn't mean they're bad secreted. would start with that. wow, i'm being asked to give advice on legal, medical, parenting, political, i'm touched by your confidence in me. i would say that you are in a location where you can take her to any number of dynamic museum and art and concert setting where she can groove on whatever
reflects her back to her, ands as long as she knows you're her best friend, that is for life so right on, you know, yeah. okay. you're going to be great. and thanks for asking such a honest question. it's not everybody who will reveal that. let me take like two more because i know i want to kind of sell some books and sign them and mingle and drink possibly and hugful what's your name. >> katherine, and i'm younger. >> not a problem. i was, too, so recently. >> so, the question is, i'm going to be taking ap u.s. history next year, and -- >> i'll give you my e-mail. >> and when creating questions or when creating really when
teaching people, how do you try, like, of course none of this happened in a vacuum so how do you create a syllabus where you show the con -- the greater context of what happened and then also because u.s. history is taught in a very male centric, a very war centric point of view, like how do you try to -- that is a great question. >> create that. >> first of all i make sure you can connell tact me and i'm happy to mentor you. i must say that i do not speak officially for the college board or the educational testing service, but i have worked as an ap exam scorer and a question leader, since 2001. i have seen wonderful changes and incorporating women's history into the way that courses taught but you're asking about something else. one of the interesting thing
that happened when i finished grad school and taught my first -- my first college john, chico state university, northern california, and i taught basic u.s. history 101, 8:00 in the morning three days a week. there were 11 weeks, three classes a week so that's 33 lectures and i gave three on women's history. i had guy come to my office and lane i was forcing women's history on the class, they were learning nothing but women's history, and he felt that he wasn't getting a real education about the united states. so i just took out my calculator and said i'm glad you came, in let's look at this. looks like i spend x amount of time talking about half the population, and the women who contributed to this great nation are getting maybe ten percent of the time but its sounds to you like that's all i'm doing because you have never heard
women referenced in an academy setting above, nor do you trust a woman bringing you that information. you think it's biased so have you ever questioned why men only talk but men and why you accept that as verbatim. so even for faculty who are trying to play it cool in their first job and season a syllabus, with million there will be people who are in your face and it's a delicate scenario. the best response is we want to know how our foremothers live, what they ate, what the material culture of their lives was, how did they -- can be very traditional, how do they pack cherish's lunches, girl birth, wash their hair with? i love bing bath into the classroom, and it's part of how americans lived. so you can kind of do that
approach without offending if you have to think of everything else about women's lives as offensive. the way that women struggle to survive in wartime, also very significant way of being both patriotic and radical. there are ways to bring information about women for teachers who are in communities resistant to women's studies, and if you find one sympathetic teacher they will give you a reading list even if they can't introduce it themselves. and more and more you can download -- you can see what is being taught across the country. all you need for app ap is a good opening line. the worst thing is freezing up with the first opening paragraph. so my belles advice to you in any subject, practice how you
want to open so you don't freeze up. and then draw on your open smarts. that's all you have to worry about. [applause] >> woo-hoo. >> one more. you can have the last question, sir what's your name. >> thank you. john. >> hi. >> hi. i'd like to get your reaction to an old assertion -- well, older from maybe 203-years ago the assertion that -- 20-30 years ago, the assertion that one of the major routes of the hatred of women is the simply the unequal raising of the very young; that women are stuck with that so women are the first ones to tell us, no. >> oh, yes. >> when we're very, very young, and that more equal raising of the very, very young by men and women would eliminate at least
that bias. what do you think -- what's your -- >> okay. i think that's a great question to end on. a really good one if have two responses. one, you were quite correct that not various people on all places on the spectrum would argue that a -- an aspect of the difficulty in electing a female president is male resist citizen to being told what to do by a woman after having separated from mom so there's a lot of psychological alert tour that examines -- literature that examines the suffrage with men fearing that if women were elected they would shut down brothels and saloons
and regulate male recreation and turn as the public's sphere into an everlasting parlor and nursery. one of her better lines. ... is somehow a back step, of course, we know the history of being antimonarchy and resisting queens, so that's the american part. other thing you've raised, though, is my conviction that we all live through our computers, why aren't men working from home? i honestly thought i would see a revolution that enabled the workplace to return to home where men would take 50% of
childbearing, wrong. i still believe that may come but i believe although it's technologically possible, it's culturally still not popular. it's still not rooted of the imagination of who raises children so that while many men are working from home and rock the cradle while running a business, we still value life in the public sphere and we reward and pay people who are seeing and established in public life. so we have men going out to work and women going out to work. no one is at home, we have million dollar homes and no one is in them so naturally society about who is raising children. as long as we continue to under pay people who do traditional caregiving roles, those won't be attractive to men who have been
urged to be bread winners in a particular level of wage and i could spout on as historian, thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak latin at politics and pros. i just want to make sure i don't leave anything out here. it's just a similar evening for me. as a long-time washingtonian, i moved when i was 13. 1974. i came in the week that nixon resigned. that was my introduction to life in dc and i've seen great deal of change and i think they'll be more. now that i'm on the left coast as it were, i'm able to look at the time i spent as an activist
and professor and feel nothing but gratitude for the opportunity to work with so many students who are now forging their own ways in career thras are informed by feminism. and i think it's easy to forget that dc as government, centric, inside the beltway place, is also the home of 7, 8, 9, 10 universities. to a lot of people it's their college town. you get women's history into the classroom, that will make people's college experience that much more real but it's still being contested all over the country by no means a completed revolution. so let's all work on that revolution and come up and get a book, thank you.
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great battle, you know, so it's economically important, it's symbolically important, kind of great age of iron, you think of the eiffel tower which is made of iron, great symbol of the new age and, you know, i think many countries come to believe that you can have find of full sovereignty in the economy as a nation unless you have iron steel industry. it becomes the biggest, the most capitalized industry in the united states and grows fortunes that had never been seen in this country before. carnegie and morgans, and so it's symbolic but also technically and economically to the new nation and the scale of the places is amazing, you know, gigantic. >> with regard to the right of
steel and machinery, one thing that was eye-opening for me, we heard about the crystal palace and the beginning of world affairs but i hadn't realized what in many ways was the main purpose to introduce people to machinery and manufacturing. >> yeah, yeah. it's great, it's piece in the book but you can't resist it. in 1876, celebrate the 100 anniversary of the declaration independence, there's a big world fair thing in philadelphia, fairmont park and what's the center piece of it, the billing of machinery, you know w this gigantic steam engine which runs, you know, shafts, belts and pullies in gigantic room full of machinery and they opened the fair when president grant, the emperor of brazil which happens to be around, the two of them turn
room full of machineries. also very odd way to celebrate the declaration independence. has absolutely nothing to do with the declaration of independence. the notion of national greatness. where does national greatness come from? has been utterly transformed over the 100 years. >> you can watch this and other programs on lion at booktv.org. [inaudible conversations] >> good evening and welcome to the atlanta history center, my name is kate whitman and i'm the