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>> congressman john delaney with the book tee2 so congressman you wrote this book at a time in our country is very divided what motivated you to not look at the challenges that what is going on? >> it is great to be here. the central question facing this country more than any other piece of policy ideas is how do we take this to bring it back together? number one it is consistent with who we are as people to be more unified for what has
happened over the last several decades the stock doing things. why? because we never talk about what we disagree on. if you don't constantly update society based on how it is changed and you start leaving people behind so it is incredibly important we try to come together so we can start getting things done. with that character and resilience to deal with the crisis that could arise also day to day operations. >> to draw upon your background is the grandson of an immigrant tell us more. >> my grandfather is the star of the book as i put in my
acknowledgment and he came here as a boy 1924. on the ship with a couple thousand people coming into new york harbor and came into new york harbor and they delivered 15000 immigrants just think of the scale on that. coming with seven brothers and sisters back then they used to do a physical and would call 62d physical to see if you were okay because we had a merit-based system we wanted able-bodied men and women. but he was detained because he had one army lost in england playing with a world war i shell that had not exploded. he was detained and then they
got the appeal that was held at ellis island people speaking multiple languages my grandfather would tell the story around the thanksgiving table when the judge walked in he was putting on his robe and he can see that the judge only had one arm and he knew he would be an american. so i frame the book about his life because we really are the story of the american dream. as this grandfather who came as a disabled person barely getting into the country due to good fortune and worked in a pencil factory his whole life. a good citizen, involved and
raised his family, my dad was union electrician and then i've had amazing opportunities with my life and these are stories of america. i wanted to use the framing of his life what we need to do is a country to make sure everyone has an opportunity. >> your father was an electrician and also your mom who also provided inspiration i was struck by the decision made initially to go into the medical field then decided to be a lawyer. tell us about that. >> my parents did not go to college and my town was very blue-collar. back then what you wanted for your kids, was to be a doctor with a very successful
prestigious profession for that striving immigrant culture. wouldn't that be amazing? so they push me to do that. i had an uncle who was very successful. that was my mentor in many ways they were not well educated but i would talk about these kind of things though that attracted me with that change when i got to columbia and i was studying to be a doctor to volunteer in a hospital and do some research. during my sophomore year and it was pretty clear to me that would not work. >> so you picked another major? >> i was living with some people going to law school i
never thought about it. telling my parents i am not going to medical school but i will go to law school i thought that would be a much better conversation. that was one of the driving reasons and then my parents have sacrificed so much to give the opportunity to go to the greats will i had to tell them i was doing. >> most first-year law students most focus on the studies tell us a little bit about that. were to try her hand at being a businessman? >> i was working in normally
get me jobs in the summer. i was working in the front line on the construction site and i was laborer. that was a development company owned by a lawyer who had a background in construction so we were sweating said that is what we should do. so i will be the lawyer so let's do that. i went to law school and i was doing my work working at a law firm it had a lot of real estate stuff so to come up with this plan in west jersey
so i traveled up there to convince homeowners to sell us their homes and we had a plan to build an apartment building that was based on approvals that was on a contingent contract to get approval for the apartment building. i was in law school he was working in construction but we figured if we could get approval to build this 24 unit building we would figure out how to make it work. we came up with this idea got people to sell us their homes and i filed the application need this to say they hearing did not go well. we talked to a bunch of politicians i realized within five minutes this was not going so well and we got rejected. >> but you did not give up you continue to pursue to become
an entrepreneur. when you left law school and becoming a politician but before you left law school he met an amazing person who later married. >> april who is now my wife over 29 years the best that happened to me was my third year of law school i had just come back from summer working in new york at a law firm the first week back and we all remember what that first week back nothing is to seriously getting caught up i met her at a bar with half a dozen of my friends we chatted and danced a little bit but nothing really happened we just met
each other then the next day and that law school and she is sitting picking out her classes you remember this but we used to have to go to the big books to read about our classes and fill it out on paper she was doing that and sitting there in the lobby of the law center going to the book of classes picking out her classes. i met her before that she was special so i went over and i sat down i was a year ahead of her acted like i knew what i was doing because a law school your first your classes everybody takes the same classes so this is the first time you can pick out so i helped her we had about an hour together and then she went to the registrar's office who used to have to turn in a piece of paper on the top
floor and i waited about an hour then i went up to the registrar's office and i had already registered for all my classes but i dropped pretty much all of my classes and i reregistered for the classes i helped her pick out so i could be in her classes. >> a man on a mission. >> sometimes in life you just know. >> so you leave law school and you go to work at a firm then you decide to get back into a business person. that was a very important transition so tell us more about that. >> i did have this epiphany even though i went to law school not thinking i wanted to be a lawyer but i did figure out what i wanted to do which was be an entrepreneur and with that little bug that i got thinking about a real
estate developer and it was reinforced in law school i started reading about entrepreneurs and business and never really thought about business before by the time i graduated law school i knew that's what i wanted to do but i didn't have any money and i cannot get money for my parents to buy a business so i went to work at a law firm here in d.c. it was an amazing experience but a friend of mine had the same bug that i did he was at a law firm in baltimore but we were always talking every day about different ideas. one day we saw an ad in the washington post for a business for sale and what attracted us was the price because it was $15000 it didn't matter what it was we could figure out how
to come up with 15000 but it was a home healthcare company sending nurses into people's homes here in d.c. focusing on d.c. medicaid recipients in part of a large company having problems and they were selling off the local operations. so we scrounged together the $15000 we bought the business. april had just graduated from law school and she had a job and i was able to take that risk. so we were partners from the beginning otherwise i could never do that but for the fact that allowed me to take a risk. >> but initially that was not successful. >> it was the worst care company by far. we didn't know what we were doing that we got in there.
homecare is a very, very important part now but back then it was a niche and our home care company was the worst in the city there were those that were more successful so we had to figure it out and it took about a year but we did something that was progressive that we went to a big hmo like kaiser and pitch them on the idea we would take care of older patients for a fixed fee per month as opposed to paying us every time we did something which was now getting prominent. so that really turned the business around we did sell at that experience i learned that it is very hard for a bank to lend us money someone's we got this the business started to grow we needed money to finance the business we couldn't get a bank to lend us money. we had no net worth.
the company just turned around, growing quickly, healthcare was scary at the time because the first lady hillary clinton was making big changes to the healthcare system and a lot of banks said we don't know how this will play out. so we had to work with the specialty lender and that is how we finance our business of after we sold that company we said this is a good opportunity to create a company to lend money to small healthcare companies renew the business at that point the largest part of the economy and there were no lenders there are plenty for the big ones so we built the business to lend to those companies and not check off. >> how does it feel to be on wall street? once that next company took off? >> the first company returned that around did well in soul
that made a little bit of money and learned a lot the second company really took off because our timing was good the theory for business that i need in the market and we were right on about that. that company took off and in three years we needed to raise more capital to grow the business even more so we decided to take it public. we took it public 1996i rang the bell for the new york stock exchange at the time i was the youngest ceo in the history of the new york stock exchange. we went public in 96 we rang the villain 97. i was 34. >> ten years later the country is now embarked on a major financial crisis and you survived that. so what hills did you draw upon to survive that period of
history? >> i am inherently conservative while taking risk it is important that you should never bet the farm. so i always ran my businesses lending businesses which was a much bigger business we took it public in and we sold it and then i started the second company and that would be a much bigger business by the time the financial crisis hit we had $15 billion in assets i was financing 5000 small companies all over the country that depended upon us we were there lender small to midsize main street businesses i had over 1000 employees and warren buffett has a good saying always keep a margin of safety in your business and i took
that to heart and i ran our business with a margin of safety so i didn't try to leverage the business which would have increased our returns but would have given us new cushion should something unexpected happened. so we had a lot more capital we had double the capital of all competitors. we didn't take the money we needed every nickel of that but the only reason we got through that is because the man the more conservative we had little money on the table i felt like i had an enormous responsibility to the people we finance i went to sleep at night knowing no matter what happened we could survive. >> larger print or ceo turns politics. you walk into the political world to find out there is
lots of division. you write the book about george washington. >> he was right with washington he wrote these amazing farewell addresses first when he stepped down as the general of the u.s. military the second he stepped down as president. what was remarkable about washington he could've stayed on and been president for the rest of his life. there has never been a president more loved or as popular as storage washington at the time. he was viewed as the founder of the country. but washington is almost in his greatness what he did for this country but decided we should not have kings and he stepped down. he wrote in his farewell address i think this shows about his character and it tells us why he thought about
this new grand experiment of this country what he said talking about partisan politics which is amazingly prescient and talk about the need for political parties inherently we need a way to organize ourselves which i agree with. but what he didn't talk about but i bet he was thinking the server purpose around having a debate because the debate should unify us but what he warned about political parties who put their own interests ahead of the country. probably the first person to criticize people for putting their party ahead of their country and said it could be to treasonous activities because back then at the beginning of this country, people were very worried about this new government committing treason with foreign powers who may want to influence
especially with these rivalries he could foresee a foreign country getting involved. he warned about hyper- partisan politics where people put political party ahead of country and even to the point of committing treason had warned the country in the serious language about it. if you think about it today i really agree with washington because we do need political parties in a way to organize debates they are healthy and should be civil and respectful and based on fact with a battle of ideas and should unify us even if it gets difficult. >> you also talk about collusion how did you come to that conclusion that the
problems that face this country are from one side or the other? ? >> i don't think half the country is entirely wrong and if you listen to our political parties this is what they say. the democratic party i am a proud member of you have been fighting for the democratic party longer than i have and thank you for that but listen what comes out of their mouth everything out of their voice obviously the republican party does the same thing most americans know they have friends and people they work with the neighbors people they go to church with any other party they respect them and like them and they think they are smart with occasional good ideas. that is the private sector because i always try to always think about best practices and
best ideas you should always be thinking what is the best idea or practice for this opportunity or challenge? i was struck by how there is so little of that in politics like elected officials to get in there to say my job i don't care what it comes from not what makes you a democrat or republican typically at orientation how you see the role of government could lean to one set of ideas as opposed to the other but that doesn't mean you are entirely focused on one sid side. >> you that a member of congress since 2013 with an opportunity to introduce legislation work with democrats and republicans but you also call for an end to partisanship especially that rewards division? >> president or any other collectively of this country
should effectively represent them whether they vote for them or not and almost take a pledge to unify us that doesn't mean they don't go out there to say why you don't vote for the other person to take it where you cultivate a spirit of division is one of the things going on in this country right now and i do think if you have the privilege of serving in addition to swearing to defend the constitution we should pledge to the american people we will not say things to divide us or go out of our way to unify the country because inherently the country is stronger when we are unified. that doesn't mean we agree
with each other there is a difference between a respectful disagreement and engaging in divisive rhetoric and politics. >> you also identify because what i found you took on big issues from universal pre-k to healthcare and infrastructure and you wrote in the book we can solve some of these problems. >> all the problems the maximum the solutions that you proposed are still polarizing because it involves raising money coming up with a dedicated revenue stream you came up with great ideas. do you think they will pass through the next congress? >> summary easier than others in right now congress is in a tough spot. what i talked about is someone who is running for president it would be amazing if a president said during the inauguration speech they represent every american and
to prove that only bipartisan legislation in the first 100 days there is a tremendous amount in congress things that members of congress whether the house or senate have worked on for years with democrats and republicans but the problem is we have not seen a president want to promote as a focus of the early agenda we see partisan things. >> talk about ronald reagan and immigration reforms. >> i think we have to walk before we run some ideas are big ideas but there are other things that is low hanging fruit like infrastructure the overwhelming majority believe the federal government has a goal to deal with infrastructure even conservative republicans think
government in a narrowly defined way will say the first thing it should do is protect us but after that invest in infrastructure so the fact that neither president obama or president trump made infrastructure a first 100 a priority priority i thought was a huge missed opportunity is that as you could go in front of the american people. >> don't you think obama attempted to do that with his tax credits? >> i think president obama was dealt a difficult and the economy was a crater with the financial crisis was devastating the amount of people losing their jobs every was way beyond what any economist ever thought could happen. he had a tough hand but i do think however the stimulus
plan which i fully support what have been much better if it was all infrastructure only ten or 15% of those were infrastructure. i actually think the president could have done a $2 trillion to ms. program if all infrastructure as opposed to 900 billion-dollar that was only ten or 15%. i think the american people want to have our country we built they know infrastructure is terrible they see it in their day-to-day lives with road conditions or liens on bridges are closed to be repaired or airports or flint michigan with water that is poison and/or enroll america no access to high-speed internet they know we have the infrastructure issue and this is something that could have been done on a bigger scal
scale. >> think about president trump's approach to tax reform without much democratic support but you argue perhaps you would have use some of that money that is offshore to bring that into the country. >> yes. this is an example something we could have agreed on. a big partisan one -- bipartisan coalition fixing the international tax system was broken and effectively we had a system to encourage companies to keep their money overseas that was bad for the companies that want their money back bad for the economy because we are much better having that in the united states but obviously i prefer they invest in their employees and hire more people but even if they give it to their shareholders that is better than sitting in a bank in london in the third problem
the united states government was not getting any tax revenue so it was a terrible system. i proposed a way to fix the system to create a pathway for that many in the united states and to generate hundreds of billions of dollars of new revenue for the federal government. we should take the money and invest in infrastructure to pair this together we fix the international tax system and create up to $1 trillion of new infrastructure money and there was huge by partisan support but the republicans took my proposal literally almost exactly and took out the infrastructure part they fix the tax system but they took out that $700 billion of money raised did not invest in infrastructure but use that to help pay for tax cuts. that took a bipartisan idea into a partisan idea of a huge missed opportunity.
they could have done a lot of what they wanted but imagine $1 trillion of infrastructure spending so magic they said it will fix international tax and corporate tax rate we can't cut the top rate we will have $1 trillion of infrastructure that would've been the start of a bipartisan discussion whether we get there or not remains to be seen but you can see how that would start because a lot of democrats were pushing for infrastructure for a long time trade unions were very supportive of the democratic party care deeply about infrastructure said pay attention and it would have been the basis but you have to want to do things on a bipartisan basis. >> i want to come back to what you talk about that some
people believe the party is divided between progressives and moderates. how do you fit into this equation? >> i am a huge supporter of the media. i do think they tend to emphasize certain things because it makes it more intriguing and one of these things is the democratic party is very divided. no question some people for their own self-interest who want to continue to cultivate that image you are not a true democrat by the way i look at i serve with the hundred 90 democrats every single one of us things every american
should have healthcare. we have different ways to get it people of different ideas every single member of congress i serve with thinks climate change is a problem in human behavior is contributing we have different ways to solve that somewhat cap and trade others with carbon tax every single member believes every child should have pre-k looking at the facts they noted is the investment but my republican friends voted to take healthcare away very few believe it is a problem of climate change i helped found the climate solutions caucus we have good republican participation that is a couple dozen out of 230 members go down the list relative to where the republican members of congress are, not necessarily the voters majority believe, changes
happening but if you look at congress you don't see that. we are only divided if we allow ourselves that on the big issues of the day the things in 20 or 30 years when people look back and ask where the democratic party was in 2018? able see a party trying to do things around the big issues of the day like investment communities left behind are trying to prepare the next century. so i think i don't hear people thinking they want to know how we will start winning again they care more about that than these divisions. >> i went to go back to bipartisanship because in your book you talk about when you came to congress you wanted to invite to go to the democratic
caucus retreat republican strategists and the operatives. why did you want to bring them into the democratic retreat? >> i had a concept you should think about people who disagree with you and understand why. maybe they are right about something maybe i have something to learn if you just talk to people who agree with you you will never learn anything. so i go to these meetings of the democratic party we get together and we bring up democratic strategist to basically say the same things and any democratic consultant i talked to will say. okay we just spent a lot of time convincing ourselves we are right about everything so i suggested to bring in the republican strategist that
everybody would do it but somebody from a think tank or the opinion writer from the washington post and listen to how they think about politics maybe we will learn something. >> i see other individuals who run for president they say a listening to her perhaps for the last couple of months you have been on criticism to her? >> you said you visited now -- south carolina listening to people trying to learn from them and i read you wanted to hear what they had to say. that's interesting. >> democrats want to know how they want to win. we lose the house and the senate in 1000 members of the
state legislatures. now the democrats that i talked to you go to these early stages you talk to a lot of people who may not be democrats and they want to know how we will stop the fight and come together to start getting things done to prioritize. i will tell you a story i was in iowa called winterset. i have been there. john wayne's birthplace. i was meeting with the winterset democratic caucus there were 15 people i sit down at the table and talking to the head of the club a union electrician like my father we were getting along pretty well the meeting started and he said we are all bernie sanders people here he looked down the table with 14
colleagues one woman said i was with hillary i said i was to he said i love bertie sanders what do you agree? he said single-payer. i've been a union and i have really good healthcare. the single payer system that would get rid of that here right what else you agree? he said i did not agree with free college what is the democratic party have to be the party everything is free? that he pointed to his son maybe he should go to college maybe he should do what i do get a skill and get a job. i said okay so you like senator sanders he said i love him but that was his platform. to do word association you
would say single-payer or free college he said yes that's true but first of all it never would have happened and second i really felt he was prioritizing things that matter to my family. so the message there then he invited me to do a party in his house so very strong supporter so he felt like he was talking to what he cared about like his family. i cannot criticize any reason that is about as good as any reason but the point was they just want solutions to focus on what they care about.
that is what the voters care about. mostly the opportunities for their kids and we should never forget that. >> some people believe the democratic party is almost the republican party and needs to be reformed one of the bills opened the democracy out was very intrigued with those steps to fix our democracy. >> first is to make election day a holiday the right to vote is such a sacred right those that have an enormous sacrifice in right now people are doing things to make out harder. >> i support anything that makes it easier. everybody should be registered to vote when you are born or a drivers license but everyone
should have the right to vote. it is the bedrock of our country and democracy and we are not always fair about it and people engage in amazing battles and we should be continuing to support that. there are a lot of holidays nothing is more important than to celebrate our democracy which strikes me as much as any other holiday. second, have independent commissions jerry demanding -- gerrymandering is the insidious force with these one-sided districts they estimate 85% and no chance to lose to the other party.
and in the reserve seats only talk to people and their party they ignore half the country. if you believe incentives matter that is the incentive. those are the loudest voices. arthur brooks said the other day the american people are tired of the extremes of the parties holding the country hostage. that is what gerrymandering enables and to pick any 5% of the members of congress. i would like states like california not a political
process to have judges and things like that. this is either or to have the independent commission but if you don't have that then open primaries. those top two vote getters. >> i think it is great but you don't even need open primaries having the two of them together is great. >> that they are willing out of washington d.c. where should the party move? >> because i think the democratic party should work for the democratic voters.
i think that would be a symbolic gesture to do something like that. that we will locate the headquarters somewhere else. >> that that is a half serious suggestion. it was in a big message trust me. immigration, the deficit, tax reform, health care so many great solutions in this book. but caucus on ai, tell us a
little bit about that. you recently wrote an op-ed calling for a national strategy on artificial intelligence. please explain why we need it. >> so the world is changing very rapidly and i think one of the principle responsibilities of government is to think about where the world is going. and update the institutions and society which doesn't mean make government bigger doesn't mean making government smaller but it means constantly adjust education, health care, retirement whatever it may be, baseed on how the world is changing. >> but some people are afraid of the future. >> they are. but in part they're afraid because they don't have anyone leaving them into the future if you think about the last 30 years we became a global economy had is incredibly positive thing. when i was born 55 years ago 20% connected globally and it was 60% the world was largely isolated and most lived in port. today about 85 to 490% of the world is interconnected and
global poverty rate has fallen from 60% to 10% that's billions without poverty so how can anyone say globalization has been a bad thing now it wasn't good for everyone in our country and why did that happen? because let it happen. because -- change happened as it always does and government cared more about fighting than it did about doing. and so we allowed a huge number of our people to be left behind. right now 70% of the kids in the united states of america live in a county where there's no evidence of upward economic mobility. yet at the same time last year, 80% of the professionally manage venture capital the smart money was invested in 50 counties there's 3,000 counties in the country. so 1.6% of the counties that 80% of the startup money yet 70% of our kids live in counties where there's no economic growth. and that happened because we let it happen. and why did we let it happen because world changed and we didn't do anything it be. so let's think about the future.
what's going to change the world in the future is not globalization numb because that's done. but technological innovation, automages and artificial intelligence. outside of government in business, and in nonprofit world and academia people are on saysed with this because they understand that it is changing everything. it's changing our demographics we're living much longer and changing future of work. what jobs are going to be like in the future are going to be very different some jobs job ext today will be displaced a bunch of new jobs get created people don't have one but five, six, seven eight jobs and change our security risk right united states is at a huge comparative military advantage. on a conventional basis. it's a rogue state or a foreign power we're tiebl get a technological advantage over us they can bring down our conventional advantage very quickly. and, i mean, you could have all of the weapons in 9 world but if someone can hack into your
system to take them down right -- and climate change is other thing that's happening so all of these things are happening -- and -- no one in washington is really focused ton. no one with is washington is thinking about what do we with to prepare -- and most example is in technology. right, think about the last election. >> no rules. right if i put one of my ads on television, i have to stay at the end of it paid for by john for whatever case it may be. if i have it oned radio but that exact same ad on social media -- i don't have to disclose who paid for it. so there's a reason are that russians sited advertise on social yeedz and not television. it's not because they thought it was that much better but they didn't have are to say who was paying for it so that's an example of us failing to update the basic institutions of society for change. so i founded something called artificial intelligence caucus as a way of creating kind of a convening space within the congress from members to
basically start getting up to speed as to what all this stuff is which is very hard. and all when facebook testified to the senate, you didn't get the sense that senators really kind of -- could even ask questions. >> right. uh-huh. >> and so -- you know, i want to change that. and i think we need a government that's much more focused on where the world is going. having a honest conversation with the american people about it. like that's what the state of the union should be. if you were given a "state of the union" today you would say to american people let me tell you what's happening in the world and you would lay it out for them and you would say this is how it is going to affect us. you would lay it all out there and this is what we should talk about doing. because by the way i think a conversation about the future is a lotless partisan than a conversation about the the paths. >> because it hasn't happened yet. >> you also talk about adopting style that they use in great britain talking to -- lawmakers opening yourself up, if you become president, of course, of listening to them and having an exchange of ideas. >> because the truth is becoming
elusive in our political life. you turn on one station you hear one set of facts another you with hear another set of facts that makes it hard for american people to think about their political system an makes them hard to think about their democracy what they're dealing with different sets of facts. so to me only way to solve that is to actually have the president have an open debate with the congress. about the big issues of the day. should be three hours -- should be nationally televised it should happen once every three months. and an hour and a half should be whatever ticket issue that the health care could be immigration, could be any issue -- and then other hour and a half is open questions. i think a president ought to be able to do it. ought to be able to walk to the floor of the house of representatives stand there and look at every member of congress and basically say in front of the merch american people we're going to have a debate. >> press secretary nightmare i would guess -- >> to the truth a little bit. because you -- you've watched and probably premed for presidential debates for people for a long time.
and they're imperfect but by far the best part of the presidential election. by far. right because you actually see them. >> yeah. you do. issues, trade job you also talk about trade agreements you're a free trader and you're going to run in a democratic primary also income inequality you also touch upon that issue. can you explain a little bit more about your views on traitd. >> sure. so i think that -- you know, i think if you look back across like fibs becoming part of the a global economy has clearly improved the lives of citizens around the world. hasn't been positive for everyone in this country but in general, it has been positive to the economy of the united states. it just wasn't positive for everyone. so i think the united states has a real are role in the world. both economically and diplomatically to alliances based on where the world is going. i think it make us more secure and makes us more prosperous, the problem is if it is not
paired with domestic policy to address places that are going to get hurt -- that's when you get really bad outcomes because everyone know when is you do a trade agreement, you give something up to get something. and if you sign the agreement you should be thinking, i'm getting more than i'm giving. that's why we do these things. right -- but you shouldn't kind of have blinders on and act like there's going to be in pain associated with it. of course there's going to be some pain lots of different economies and different regions and so what -- you have to do is you have to pair trade policy with domestic economic policies so what we should have done is we should have done these trade greems as part of an infrastructure plan. so we're investing in communities at the same time we have the shifting dynamics caused by international trade so i think i supported president obama and his effort to do the trans-pacific partnership i thought it was good for the united states economically and very good for the united states from a geo political and it was
a trade block that the united states would have been -- basically the chair of it. and it comprised 40% of the asian economy. asia is fastest growing region in the world china is totally dominating asia. and entering into bilateral agreements with all of these countries by whether locking down rights by building infrastructure and doing all of these things they're one dealt one road policy. and if we want to actually have a say in what goes on in asia we need economic ties. and it's a lot easier to put pressure on china qhg you're competing with them in their own backyard opposed to a silver platter so strong believer in trade but you have to be clear eyed about what trade does and sure you're pairing with economic policy that affects communities that will be hurt by trade. >> so many people who live on skirts of hope trying to find their way back to circle of opportunity and you address ofsome those issue yous talk
about rise of income and inequality what is your path and plan to reduce poverty and to provide more opportunity to those who are being left behind in this global economy. >> first you need a strong safety net because there's always people in a capitalistic society which is what we have -- which i support because i think it is the only way to really have innovation. and innovation is what had drived progress you have to acknowledge that capitalism is destructive and you have an obligation while you're enjoying creativity part of it to also do stuff for people who are left behind by it. and that includes preparing them for the world based on how it is changing but also acknowledging that not everyone will actually for whatever circumstances be able to completely succeed in that world with a safety net so it is by a strong safety net i think we largely underinvested in but i think we -- earned income tax credit to me is a very good safety net
program because it encouraging people to work. but it gives them ability to kind of have a boost in their wages. we should have expanded that massively and make changeses to social security because people are living a lot longer and program wasn't really defined for people who live as long as they do now so basic things with safety net and then second thing we need to do is make sure we're investing in people -- so that they can succeed in this world. this is what's happening in country right now is it has become a country of birthright not one of opportunity where you have to be born in the right city go to the right school and be part of the right family to have a shot. what i said earlier 70% of the kids live in a county where the jobs that are being created are worse than jobs that -- they're replacing. and for those kids -- it's very hard to live the the american dream. and we have to support them more. they need a better educational experience right they need a bunch of things to make them more successful so the way i deal with the quality of opportunity is by investing in people. and then the way you deal with people who inevitably are left
behind is by having a strong safety net. now that -- you have to pay for that which is why i believe in a progressive tax system. right because -- >> you spell it out in the book that was great. in the time we have left -- you -- wrote about so many great challenge it is that question face in the solutions i believe -- will, you know, provide the kind of bipartisanship and support. but there are a couple of topics that you did not touch upon -- mass incarceration criminal justice reform for example, what do you stand on legalizing marijuana? the the me too movement and, of course, race and equality in the 21st century that's a lot. >> a huge supporter of it for all kinds of reasons including fact that i have four daughters. no but seriously i think, obviously, what women have had to endure in the work place and in society is intolerable and if we're going to be a just and
equal society, obviously, women have to be treats ared and they should feel safe whenever they are so i think the me too movement is fabulous and show that we can have a lot of movements that don't come from political parties. >> uh-huh. >> right. yeah. grassroots. >> uh-huh so huge supporter of that. i think the black lives matter -- movement and criminal justice reform are inner related but if you look at what we have done in terms of mass incarceration in this country i mean i think we have 25% of the world's kind of -- people who are incarcerated and five percent of the population it is stunning. one of three african-american males are incarcerated in this country it is in completely immoral system. >> devastating a family. devastating family with that huge generation so we need to i think two things we need to reform the system and there should be bipartisan support. everyone talks about that in a bipartisan basis we voted on a bill actually this week in congress which was very minor -- i supported it but there's a lot
more we need to do but another dimension too which is we've all acknowledged this system for decades has been flawed this maximum sentence for nonviolent crimes approached criminal justice has ruined live of a huge percentage of our population. we owe them something. but it's not just good enough to fix this system. you also have to think about okay -- we fixed the system in other words we've acknowledged what we did wases wrong. now what about the people who have had their lives ruined? what do we do for them? how do we make sure they have their rights restored how do we support them in ways that allow them to overcome -- missed opportunities they've had and if you have your first shot to have a job when you're 50 you've wassed your years in prison you're just not going to get the same job elsewhere -- you can't start your life so we basically need a whole -- strategy around lifting up these
people who -- deserve something from us. because we allow there to be a criminal justice system -- and a lot of batdz stuff beginning on with like private prisons and -- state elected officials. that is was just immoral. and everyone agrees it is wrong we should fix it but then we should also do something for those people who basically lost their lives and it is more than just restoring their voting rights. i got basic -- so -- race relations we have too many discrimination in this country to -- slavery was most immoral thing the united states of america has ever done and we're still living with residual equities of it because the we haven't come to grips with it and -- you know, and it's requires leadership it requires people talking about these issues in a way where they show some empathy and they show a real commitment to wanting to make a difference. >> well congressman, i really
enjoy reading your book. it was good. it was insightful and i also thought it was intriguing in terms of some of your policy remedy and agree with you much of what you said. but i have to close as a -- as a former athlete who my father inspired me -- when i read in the book what you had to tell your young daughter summer, after she competed in a -- match she skied. you had to tell her some -- some -- i guess some bad news about her so-called second place finish. and you also tied to principle that you started to book with -- tell the truth so can you tell us a little bit about that story. i know your daughter gave you permission. >> so she was about eight years old an a ski race team at a local mountain here in virginia and we loved it. i loved it because -- i was the one who would typically go with her to these races. so we had this routine where we go to a different mountain every weekend in the winter and she would race on the team and she
was a good skier she was but stopped in high school but -- this was the -- kind of season championship so it was the end of the winter. and she was -- she was skiing in the course -- and the way it worked is there were two heats so you ski once everyone ski once and put up their time and ski again -- and they figure out who won with and who is in second and all of that will. so summer was in second place -- after the first heat -- and in the second heat she was skiing second from last. and what the parents qowld do at the ski races is we would, obviously, volunteer and help set up course and do all of these things and we would a little be assigned to gate keepers stand there and look at the gates to make sure that skiers -- made it through the gates. so i was watching the last gate on the course. and summer was the second from last skier to ski comes down the course skiing really well but she misses my gate.
and then the next skier comes down and race is over and so i put on me skis i ski down to the bottom of the -- race course -- and she's there. big smile on her face and goggles only eight years old and she's looking up at the scoreboard -- and she sees that she still in second place. because they have people hngt turned in the disqualifications yet. all judges were skiing down so she's jumping up and down and look i got this silver medal and i said i think you missed a gate summer basically acting like it wasn't my gate but she said no i didn't. no i think you did summer. no i made all the of the gates daddy, i know i did. well no you did miss one, and it was mine, and i have to go -- turn it in here now. >> she just skied off. you know she was crying and everything. but you know -- april and my wife and i april always say when you're raising
kids -- or anything in life you're always have a movement to take the hard path or easy path and it is always -- better to take the hard path even though it is really hard at the time. and so this was one of those -- moments -- there was a friend of mine who said i hope you got it right. [laughter] >> i thought the same thing i want to say thank you for writing this book i know you're about to -- get on the road again and -- get ready for a big long political season in 2018 and then -- 2020. best of luck and -- >> thank you for doing this. and read aring my book. >> to the bock and congratulations -- >> thank you donna thank you so much. congressman john for joining us today. c-span where history unfolds daily. in 1979 c-span was created as a
public service by america's cable television companies, and today we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress. the white house, the supreme court, and potential policy event washington, d.c. and around the country. c fan is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. we have called each other horrible names forever. and it's almost more was rule than the exception. what feels different is that we're reading them in our pockets. we're reading them right in our face. and that's more of visceral right, and one of the things technology is given us multitudes as he might say. but -- it is also created a capacity to express an opinion quickly even if we don't have an opinion worth pex pressing quickly. and that does require personal
discipline and dignity i was thinking about 1968 earlier today for some reason, and there were -- 46 u.s. combat deaths a day in 1968. 50 years ago. the year opens with tet johnson, gets out of the race are on march 31st. dr. king is murdered on april 4th. senator kennedy is murdered the first week of june. the year ends with george wallace winning 13.5% of the popular vote in five states. so -- you if you look at 1968 it is kind of the year that everything fell apart right that's kind of the popular memory of that. so how did that -- and then as followed by water gate. but then whether you agree or agree with them carter, reagan, bush, clinton that was a period of relative presidential stability. and --
enough prosperity that we were able to make strides with the role of women with making sure that civil rights movement didn't fall apart -- and so leadership depending on who rises to prominence will be important. but it is also or position of heart and mind a republic is only sum of its parts that's a nature of the republic from playdoh to madison, to this idea is -- we are able to self-govern but if we -- what we are governing is the result of our hearts, our minds, our willingness to extend a hand opposed to clinching a fist. and -- so it's going to be put back together. i think -- in part because even if you're for president trump, you are not happy with the way things are going on in the country or else you wouldn't have voted for him honestly. so --
i think that, people who have supported him i bet they're ultimately is erosion because of this cultural chaos. and a i think the people who -- i'm sorry people who support him i think there will be, and people who oppose him have -- not been as invigorated since the 1960s. it's kind of a golden era of protest and resistance. you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. this weekend on afterwards marilyn congressman john delaney first democrat to declare a run for the presidency in 2020 offer as his vision for america in his book the right answer, how we can unify our divided nation. he's interviewed by donna brazil former chair of the democratic national committee. >> so you've been a member of congress now since 2013. you've had an opportunity to
introduce legislation work with democrats republican -- but you also in the book call for an end of partisanship especially partisan disip that reward division what do you mean by that? >> so i think the president or any other -- lengted leadser many this country should effectively represent everyone. whether they voted for them or not. and they should almost take a pledge never to divide us. that doesn't mean they should say why they should vote or ideas are better than the other person's ideas -- but the taking it to the strep why you're actually cultivating a spirit of division -- is i think -- one of the thing that's going on in this country right now which is insidious and i do think if you have the privilege of serving which i feel i do. in addition to swearing to defend the constitution we
really should pledge to mernl people that we're not going to say somethings to divide us. that we're going to go out of our way -- to try to unify the country because the country is inherently stronger when we're unified. watch afterwards sunday niewght at 9 eastern on c-span2 booktv. you guys are quiet it never happens. good evening i'm mark the president ceo of the obj foundation, and it is my pleasure to welcome you here tonight. first a little housekeeping. i want to thank our generous sponsors, st. davids health care, ford foundation and moody foundation, and titos home made