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it's predictable. but 10% is huge. to have minorities so 10% on average of what americans own. that means you do not have the ability to get a loan to start a business because you do not own anything. communities of color have a hard time advancing. for these reasons, they need to be talked about. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> on book tvs afterwards, marilyn congressman john delaney the first democrat to do their run in 2020 offers his vision for america.
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he's interviewed by donna brazil. afterwards is a weekly interview program interviewing top nonfiction authors. >> how we can unify as a nation, congressman, you wrote this book at a time when our country is divided. what motivated you to sell not just the challenges. >> it is great to be here with you. i think the central question facing the country but had we take this and bring it back together. for more unified will take on opportunities to overcome challenges. but i think we stop doing things
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and why we stop doing things because we never talk about what we agree on. the problem if you do not constantly update the institution in society for the world based on how it is changed, you increasingly the people behind. it is important that we try to come together on some things we agree on so we can start getting things done. it is important for our character in terms of dealing with a crisis that could arise. it is also important for the day-to-day operations of government to start getting things done. >> in writing this story you drew upon your background as the grandson of an immigrant. tell us about albert rowe. >> my grandfather is in many ways the star of the book. he came here as a boy. it was 1924. he came on a ship that had a
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couple of thousand people. he came to new york harbor he came into the harbor and there were 15 ships that steamed into the harbor that day. if you think about that it is 15000 people coming in one day. back then, they used to do a physical and they would look to see if you are doing okay. so his brothers and sisters get let in and he gets detained. he gets detained because he has one arm. this exploded when a shell exploded. he was detained and they got an appeal form.
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the appeal was held where there was a judge, hundreds of people's begin multiple languages. my grandfather told the story that when the judge walked in he was putting on his robe. my grandfather could see the judge only had one arm. he's to say that is when he would say that's when he knew he was an american. in many ways, myself and so many americans are the story of the american dream. this grandfather of mine who came as a disabled person and barely got into the country only because of good fortune that this judge had one arm. he worked a pencil factory his whole life. he was a good citizen and got involved in the town council. my dad was an electrician and
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these are the stories of america. i wanted to use the framing of al's life to talk about what we need to do as a country to make sure everybody has the opportunity. >> your father was an electrician and also your mom you also provided information inspiration. i was struck by the decisions you made to go into the medical field and then you turned around and decided to be a lawyer. >> my parents who did not go to college and it was a blue-collar town. back then what you want for your kid to live a better life was being a dr. was the successful and prestigious but particularly for that striving immigrant
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culture if my child can get a good education and be a dr. that would be amazing. so they push me to do that. i had an uncle who is my mentor and my parents did not go to college but i would talk to uncle jack about these things. it all changed when i got to columbia university when i got to college. i was studying to be a dr.. he said you volunteer in hospital and you try to do some biomedical research so i was looking at the sinks and it was clear that this was not for me. >> so you decide to take on another major. >> i was living with and guys who are going to law school.
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they said if i tell my parents are not going to medical school but a salmon to go to law school i thought that would be better. i felt that i was not going to pursue this profession i had to tell them what i was doing and that seemed as good as anything. >> most first-year law student focus on their study. but you did not you had a different goal in mind. tell us about that when you were trying your hand at a businessman. >> between my graduation i was working in the construction business i was working at the my
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normal working on a construction site i was in labor and he was operating a bulldozer. the company who is believed the building that we are working on those owned by a lawyer and somebody you have background in construction. dominic and i were sweating and said that's what we should do. we should go into business. i'm going into lost will you can be that end of the business. i went to law school and was doing my work and working at a law firm. the law firm did a lot of real estate stuff. we came up with a plan to do a development in north jersey. so even though i was in law school we traveled there and convinced a homeowners to sell as their homes. we had a plan and got them to
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sell us the so we got five people to sell us their homes on a contingent contract. we didn't really know what we're doing. we figured if we could get approval then we would figure out how to make it work. we came up with an idea that five people salsa homes and had architect drop the sketch. needless to say, the hearing in the small town did not go well. i thought i knew everything, i think i realized within five minutes that it wasn't going so well, that was the end of our development career. you continue to pursue becoming an entrepreneur.
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and i want to go to becoming a politician but before you left law school you met an amazing person. who you later married. >> april, who is now my wife of 29 years, the best thing that ever happened was reading her. it was my third year of law school. i would just come back from working in a law school. it was our first week back we know what that was like, everybody's running around going back so we met at a bar in d.c. i was with about half of our friends. we got in and danced a little bit. nothing happened. we just met each other and the next day and she is sitting
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picking out her classes. young people we used to go through those big books and fill it out on paper. so she was going through the book of classes picking on her classes so i went over to her and sat down and i was year ahead of her so i acted like i knew what i was doing. your first her classes everyone takes the same classes. it's your second when year picking out classes. we probably spent an hour together and then she went to the register's office. you turn in a piece of paper to the registrar's office which is on the top floor and i waited about an hour.
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then i went up to the registrar's office and i had already registered but i drop my classes and i reregistered for classes i helped her pick out so i would be a bunch of her classes. >> you are a man on a mission. >> sometimes in life you just kind of know. >> you leave law school and go and work on a firm. then you decide to sit back and be a businessperson so that was an important transition, tell us about that. >> i had this epiphany that even though i went to law school not thinking i wanted to be a lawy lawyer, while there i figured out what i wanted to do which was to be an entrepreneur. it was the bug that i got about a real estate developer.
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it just got reinforced a law school. i never really thought about business before. by the time i graduated from law school and you that's what i wanted to do. but i didn't have money so i did what most people do which they were cattle law firm. it was an amazing experience. but myself in a law school buddy of mine had the same entrepreneurial bug that i did. we were always talking. we talked about business ideas and different things. one day we saw an ad in the washington post of a business that was for sale. what attracted us was the price. it was $15000. it didn't matter what it was, we can figure out to be $15000. it was a home healthcare
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business. it was based on medicaid recipients and part of a large company having probls and they were selling off their local operation. ethan and i scrounged together the $15000 and we bought a business. unfortunately april had just graduated she was year behind me and had a job. i was able to take that risk. in part because april had a job. we're partners in the beginning. i would've never been able to do that except that we could take a risk because she had a job. >> but that was not initially successful. you. >> it was the worst home care company in washington, d.c. we did not know what we're doing. we got in there and home care is a very important part of the healthcare system. back then it was a niche.
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our home care company was the worst in the city. there are many successful ones. it took us about a year. we did something fairly progressive and we went to a big hmo and we pitch them on the idea that we would take care of their patients for a fixed fee per month. opposed to them paying us every time we did something they gave us a fee which is getting prominent now healthcare. that turned our business around away built up and sold it. from that experience i learned it was very hard for us to get a bank to lend us money. once we get the contract the business started growing. we cannot get a bank to lend us money. we did not have net worth, the company had just turned around it was growing quickly, healthcare was scary at the
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time. because then first lady hillary clinton was thinking of making big changes to the healthcare system. banks do not how things would play out. we had to work with the specialty lender. that is how we finance the business. when we sold the company we said it's a good opportunity to create a company to lend money. we knew the healthcare business and knew it was a big opportunity. healthcare was large and there was no lenders focused on lending to the small companies. so he built the business. that really took off. >> how did it feel to be on wall street was that next company took off. >> our first company we turned around and did well i made a little money and learned a lot.
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the second company took off because our timing was good. the theory we had there is a need in the market and that company took often in three years there was good business and we needed to raise more capital. we decided to take it public. i remember when i rang the bell at the new york stock exchange i was the youngest ceo. >> how young? >> the company went public and 96 but we rang the bell a year later. >> now it's one of the greatest financial crisis and now tell me what skills you draw upon to survive that. >> part of it is i'm inherently conservative as it relates to taking risk, but you should
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never bet the farm, so i always ran my businesses, by the time i second company was also in the financial service businesses it became a much bigger business, and then we sold it and then i still have the itch and that was a much bigger business. by the time the financial crisis hit we had well over a thousand employees and i was financing small to midsize things all over the country that depended on us. these were small to midsize businesses. we had over 1000 employees. warm buffet has a good saying which is you should always keep a margin of safety in your business. i took that to heart. iran our business with a margin
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of safety. in other words, i did not try to leverage it up as much as possible which would have increased our returns but given a snow cushion to should something the unexpected happened. >> you basically had more capital. >> we had about double the capital of our competitors. >> we needed every nickel of the capital and the when the financial crisis hit. the only reason we got through that is because we ran it more conservatively. we left a little money on the table. i felt like i had an enormous responsibility and i always wanted to sleep at night knowing no matter what happened we could survive it. >> in entrepreneur ceo turns to politics. you walk into the political world and find out there are a lot of division.
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you wrote in the book about george washington's concerns about the political party, was he writing. >> he was definitely right. especially about washington, d.c. the first one is when he stepped down as the general of the military and the second when he stepped down as president. what was remarkable as he could've stayed on and been president for the rest of his life. there's never been nor will there be a president as popular as george washington was at the time. he was viewed as really the founder of the country in many ways. but washington is almost granitelike in his greatness thinking about what he did for the country. he stepped down and he wrote in his felt well address, personal that tells us a lot about character and about what he thought about this new grand experiment of a country that he was creating. but what he said is that he
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talked about partisan politics. it was amazing many look at. he talked about the need for political parties. we inherently need a way of organizing our self which we agree with. what he did not talk about was that political parties serve a purpose around having debate. debate should actually unify us, but what he warned about was political parties who put their own interest ahead of the country. he was part blue the first person to criticize putting your party ahead of the country. at the beginning of this country people were very worried about this new government committing treason with foreign powers who may want to influence.
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they could for seer he could perceive a foreign country get involved. so he warned about hyper- partisan politics and getting to the point where people put their political party ahead of their country i really agree with that. we do need a way of organizing the debate because debates are healthy and should be civil, respectful and based on the fact. it should be a battle of ideas. it should unify us even if it sometimes gets difficult. >> you also talk about solutions. it should be republican solutions. how did you come to that conclusion that they shouldn't
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just come from one side to the other but to be forged together. >> i don't think they're entirely wrong. if you look at the political party these days that's what they say. democratic party which am a proud member of any been fighting for the democratic party for as long as i have. but when you listen to what comes out of the mouth everything a report republican believes is wrong. republican party does the same thing. but that's not where the country is. they have friends and people you work with their respect them, like them and have good values and they think they're smart. so that's probably the private sector and me. something's a think about is best practices. should i spit think about what's the best idea the best solution
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for this opportunity or challenge. >> i was struck by how there is so little of that of politics. so little of elected officials getting in there and saying my job is to find the best idea i don't care where it comes from. now it makes it democrat or republican is probably leaning you towards one set of ideas over another. but that doesn't mean you entirely focus on one side. >> you been a member of congress since 2013. he worked with democrats and republicans. in the book you also look at them into a partisanship and especially one that rewards division. >> i think the president or any other elected leader in this country should effectively represent everyone.
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they should almost take a pledge never to divide us. that does not mean they should not go out vote for me over the other person or why my ideas are better but taking it to the step where you are cultivating a spirit of division something that is really insidious. if you have the privilege of serving, which i feel like i do in addition to swearing to defend and protect the constitution, we should pledge to the american people that we are not going to say things to divide us. we are going to go out of our way to try to unify the country. the country is inherently stronger when were unify. there is a difference between a respectful disagreement and engage in a devices rhetoric and
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politics. >> what i found in the book to is that you took on big issues like universal pre-k to infrastructure. you wrote in the book that we can solve some of these problems for some of the solutions you propose are still quite polarizing because it involves coming up with a dedicated revenue stream. you came up with some great ideas. do you think these can pass through the next congress? some are easier than others. one thing i talk about in the book is i think someone who's running for president it be amazing if a president said they represent every american but will only do bipartisan legislation in the first hundred
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days there things that members of congress that work for you with democrats and republicans. the problem is, we have not seen a president actually went to promote these as a focus of the early agenda. but we have seen is people advancing partisan things. >> we talked about ronald reagan and immigration and tax reform. >> i think you have to start walking before we run. some ideas i laid out or big ideas. other things i view as low hanging fruit like infrastructure. the overwhelming majority of people believe the federal government has role in building our infrastructure. given if you look at conservative you'll say the first thing the government should do is protect us, defend
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our military and after that it should be invest in the infrastructure. the fact that neither president obama or president trump made infrastructure a first 100 a priority i thought was a huge miss opportunity. that is something you can say this is what we agree on. >> do you think president obama tempted to do that with some of his tax credits. >> not totally. i think he was dealt a particularly difficult hand. the economy was cratering, the effects of the financial crisis was devastating. the amount of people losing their job every month was a stunning number. way beyond what any economist that could happen. i think he had a tough hand. i think however the stimulus plan we should fully support would have been much better if
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it was all infrastructure. only about ten to make 15% of the stimulus dollars were infrastructure. i think the president could have done a $2 trillion stimulus plan if it was all infrastructure, as opposed to 900 billion-dollar plan which was only about 10% infrastructure. i think people want our country to be rebuilt. they know our infrastructure is terrible. they see it everyday when the have road conditions or lanes on bridges getting close because i haven't been repair. they go to the airports and like in flint, michigan the water is poison or in rural america they don't have access to high-speed internet. i think it's something that could be done on a bigger scale. >> to think about president trump in his approach to tax reform and if that would pass without much democratic support.
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you argue in the book that perhaps he would review some of the money that is offshore brought it back into the country to help rebuild infrastructure. >> this is an example of something we could agree people on. . . in a bank in london and the third problem is that government wasn't gettinthe governmentwasns on that money, so it was a terrible system and i proposed a way osupposethe way of fixing id
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create a pathway to come back to the united states and it would generate hundreds of billions of dollars of new revenue for the federal government and what i said as we should take that money and invest it in infrastructure because by pairing them together we solve two problems, we fix the tax system and create a trillion dollars of new infrastructure money. what the republicans did in the tax bill is to the proposal almost exactly they got rid of the infrastructure part so they fixed the international tax system and they took the several hundred billion dollars in dividends invested in infrastructure but used it to pay for tax cuts. if they would have taken this tax bill they could have done a lot of what they wanted but could you imagine if this tax
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reform package would have had a trillion dollars of infrastructure spending, so imagine if they came out and said our tax reform is going to fix international tax and do some things to make it more competitive we are probably not going to be able to cut the rate of the wealthier americans, but what we are doing is having a trillion dollars of infrastructure. that would have been a whole different discussion. whether we could have gotten there or not remains to be seen but you could see how that would be the start. a lot of democrats have been pushing for infrastructure, the trade unions have been supportive of the democratic party who care deeply about infrastructure would have said you've got to pay attention to this because it's giving us in infrastructure program. i want to come back to immigration reform on some of the other issues you talked about in the book i want to go to the democratic party now because some people believe it
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is divided and split between progressives and so-called moderates. how do you fit into this equation and what would you do as a candidate to unify the party? >> guest: i think no disrespect to the media because i am a supporter. the party is divided into there's no question there are some people in the party for their own self-interest who want to continue to cultivate the image that you are not a true democrat but i served with about 190 democrats in the congress and every single one of us thinks every american should have healthcare. we have different ways of getting there.
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some people want a carbon tax and some people want trade. i believe every child should have pre- k.. they look at the data and they know it is the best investment so when i look at the other side of the idle my republican friends voted to take care of a. of very few of them believe climate change is a problem. when i say good, a couple dozen of the 230 members. going down the list relative to where the republican members of congress are at this point in the not necessarily just republican voters but i if the polls of republican voters a majority believe climate change is happening but if you look at the congress you don't see that. we are only divided if we allow
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ourselves to be convinced we are divided. on the issues of the day the kind of things in 20 or 30 years in the fullness of time when people look back and ask where the democratic party was i don't think they will see it divided i think they will see a party that was trying universal healthcare, trying things around the issues of today to get investment in communities left behind, doing things to prepare people for the next century. so i think, and i'm spending a lot of time in iowa and new hampshire and i don't hear people thinking -- they want to know how we are going to start winning again. >> host: i want to go back to bipartisanship goes into the.
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why did you want to bring them into the party? >> guest: you should think about people that disagree with you because maybe you are -- they are right and you have a few things to learn. i've been to a bunch of these different meetings with the party. we get together in a room and bring together democratic strategists who basically say the same things. any of the consultants i may talk to when i'm running for office may say. it's kind of like okay we just spent a lot of time convincing ourselves we were right about everything we believe. why don't we bring in a republican pollster or strategist. not everyone would do it but why don't we bring in someone from a think tank or opinion writer
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from the "washington post" and why don't we listen to how they are thinking about the world into politics. maybe we will learn something. >> host: i've seen other individuals run and they called it a launch by listening to her. the last couple of months you've been on a criticism tour. what is that? use iyou said he visited iowa, w hampshire, you are listening to people, trying to learn from them and i read you want to hear what they have to say so i called it a criticism tour. >> guest: democrats want to know how we are going to win because we lost the white house, the senate, two thirds of the governors and about a thousand members of the state legislature so they are very concerned about that. and i think the democrats i talked to are not that
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dissimilar because when you go to these early states particularly in new hampshire you are talking to a lot of people who might not be democrats. and they want to know how we are going to stop the fighting and come together and get things done i was in iowa a little town an hour outside of des moines called winterset. it's john wayne's birthplace is what it is most known for. so i was meeting with about 15 people and i sit down at the table. i'm talking to the head of the club and we were getting along pretty well. the meeting started and he said listen, we are all bernie sanders people. he walks down the table and his colleagues and one young woman put up her hand and i was with hillary. i was coming too so we have that
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in common. i didn't agree with all of his policies. he said single-payer. i am in a union and i have good healthcare anhealth care and ine single-payer system i would have to get rid of the healthcare. what els else didn't you agree ? i didn't agree on three college. why do they have to be the party where everything is for free we know the world doesn't work that way and he pointed to his son and said maybe he shouldn't go to college, maybe he should do what i did and get a skill and a job. i said let me understand this. you like senator sanders, but that was bernie's platform. some people would say single-payer or three college. that's true, but he said first
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of all that never would have happened and second, i felt like he was prioritizing things that mattered to my family. he was a strong supporter for all the right reasons and felt like senator sanders was talking to what he cared about. here he is inviting them to talk to him and the point is they just want solutions that are focused on what they care about. it's not what we care about. it's what the voters care about and what the voters mostly care
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about is things that will affect their opportunities for their kids and we should never forget that no matter what party you are in. >> host: some people believe the democratic and republican party needs to be informed. in the buck you talk about one of the bills open up democracy. i was intrigued in this idea and you came up with three potential steps to begin to fix our democracy. can you tell us about that? >> guest: the right to vote is a sacred right people have made enormous sacrifices and right now a lot of people are doing things to make it harder. >> host: s >> host: so you support same-day registration. automatic registration. >> guest: i think everybody should get ready to go the minute they get a license, the minute they are born. it may not kick him until they y are 18 but everyone should have the right. it's the bedrock of our country
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and our democracy. we were not always fair about it. we should continue to support that. at a minimum, we ought to make it a holiday in this country. nothing is more important than a holiday supporting our democracy that strikes me as much as it is any other holiday so that is the first thing. the second thing is of independent commissions draw the district. i think jerry gerrymandering has created a lot and it's created these districts have the problem is they estimate about 85% of the congressional districts are safe, meaning the democrat and republican holding those seats has no chance of losing to the othetheother party. they can only lose to someone in their primary.
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so people have an incentive to only talk to people in their party so they ignore about half the party. if you believe that incentives matter that is the incentive and as we know not enough people voted in the primaries. it tends to be the loudest voices, so they tend to cater to those people. arthur brooks who runs a ei stepped down and said that the american people are tired of the extremes in the party holding the country hostage and that is what gerrymandering enables, the extremes and the parties to basically take 85% of the members in congress so i would get rid of that and i would deal with places like california that have independent commissions, so it's not a political process but more on the level with judges and things like that. the other thing i would do if
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you have the commissions in the district you don't need what i'm about to say which is open primaries where the top to basically participate. if you don't have that you should have open primaries and having them together is great but you don't need them. >> host: you mentioned the national committee should move out of washington, d.c.. do you have a suggestion in mind on where the party should move click this code is more symbolic than anything else because the party should work for the democratic voters, not for the members of congress and i think it would be a symbolic gesture for the party to do something like that.
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we could do our own around the country where the states submit for the democratic party headquarters. i'm not sure that it would be on my list of things to do but sometimes, symbolic gestures to matter. theoretically it shouldn't matter where the democratic party is located. i know people that work in the headquarters but i think it might be nice. >> host: i thought maybe new orleans would have a shot. it would send a big message. immigration, the deficit, tax reform, health care, there are so many great things in this book. but the cochair of the congress shall caucus, tell us a little about that.
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you recently wrote an op-ed calling for a national strategy on artificial intelligence. please explain why we need it. >> guest: one of the principal responsibilities of government is to think about where the world is going and updates the institutions of society which doesn't mean make the government bigger or smaller it just means constantly adjust education, healthcarehealth care, retireme, whatever it may be based on how the world is changing. in part people are afraid because they don't have anyone leaving them in the future. we became a part of a global economy that is a positive thing. when i was born 55 years ago 20% was interconnected globally. today about 85 to 90% of the world is interconnected and the poverty rate has fallen from 60%
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to 10%. how can anyone say that it's a bad thing. it wasn't good for everyone in the country and why did that happen? because we let it happen. we allowed a huge number of people to be left behind. right now 70% of the kids live in a county where there is no evidence of upward economic mobility but at the same time last year he presented professionally managed venture capital was invested in 50 counties. there's 3,000 in the country so 1.6% of the counties got ed% of the startup money where there is no economic growth.
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technical innovation, automation and artificial intelligence outside of the business as a nonprofit world. it's changing our demographics and it's changing the future of work with the jobs are going to be like, people will have five, six, seven, eight jobs. the united states had a huge comparehugecompared military ada conventional basis. if a rogue state or foreign power were able to get a technological advantage they could bring down our conventional advantage very quickly. you could have all the weapons in the world but if someone could hack into your systems
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climate change is the other thing. no one in washington is thinking about what we are going to do today. the next examples and technolo technology. if i put one of my ads on television i have to say paid for by john delaney. but if i put the same ad on social media, i don't have to disclose who paid for it so there is a reason it's not because they thought that it was that much better but they didn't have to say who was paying for it and that is an example of us failing to update the basic institutions for change so i found it at the artificial intelligence caucus as a way of creating a convening space for members to basically start getting up to speed as to what
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all this stuff is which is very hard. so you didn't get the sense that they couldn't even ask questions. we need a government that is focusemore focused on where we e going. in the state of the union today would say if they tell you what's happening in the world and he would play it off and say this is how it is going to affect us and this is what we should talk about giving. it's a lot less partisan than a conversation about the past. >> host: you also talk in the book about the style they use in great britain when talking to lawmakers opening up if you become president of the course of listening to them and having an exchange of ideas. >> guest: the truth is
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becoming elusive in our political life. you turn on one station with one set of facts and aches it hard for the american people to think about the political system and to think that their democracy when they are dealing with different sets of facts. so to me the only wa way to sole it is to have the president having open debate about the big issues of the day. it could be nationally televised and happen once every three months. an hour and a half should be whatever issue, health care, immigration, and the other is open questions. the president ought to be able to do it and walked to the floor of the house, stand there and look at every member in to basically say we are going to have a debate. [laughter] it would get us to the truth a little bit. watching the presidential debates for people for a long time, they are imperfect, but i
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far the best part of the presidential election because you actually see them. >> host: you also talk about trade agreements and you're going to run in a democratic primary. can you explain more about your views on trade? >> guest: becoming part of the global economy has improved the lives of the systems around the world. but in general it has been positive just not for everyone to the united states has a role in the world both economically and diplomatically to build alliances based on where the world is going. it makes us more secure and prosperous. the problem is if it isn't paired with gymnastics policy to
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address places that are going to get hurt that's where you get bad outcomes. you should be thinking i'm getting more than i'm giving. that's why we do these things. but you shouldn't have blinders on and act like there will be no pain associated with it. it's a big country with different regions so you have to pair the trade policy with economic policy. so we were investing in communities at the same time that we have been shifting dynamics caused by international trade. so i support their effort in the partnership i thought it was good for the united states economically, and i thought it was good for the united states from the geopolitical standpoint. the transpacific for airship was an 11 nation trade bloc the
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united states would have been the chair of. it's the fastest-growing regionn in the world and china is totally dominating asia entering into the bilateral agreements with all these countries where they are locking down right and building infrastructure and doing all these things. if we want to have a say in what goes on in asia, we need economic ties. it's a lot easier to put pressure when you are competing in your own backyard as opposed to turning them over on a silver platter. so i'm a strong believer in trade but you also have to be clear about what it does and make sure you are pairing it with economic policy. >> host: there are so many people that live on the outskirts of hope. in the book you address some of those. you talk about the rise of income inequality. what is your path or plan to
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reduce poverty and provide more opportunity to those that are being left behind in the economy class >> guest: you need a strong social safety net but there's always going to be people in a capitalistic society that i support because it is the only way to have innovation that drives progress. it's also tis also to do stuff e left behind and that includes preparing them for the world on how it is changing the and for whatever circumstances be able to completely secure world with a safety net. it encourages people to work but it gives them the ability to
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have a boost in their wages. the second thing we need to do is make sure we are investing in people so they can succeed in this world. it's become a country of birth right, not one of opportunity where you have to be born in the right city, go to the right school. 70% of the kids live in the county for jobs created are worse than the jobs that they are replacing a and for them it is hard to live the american dream. they need a better educational experience and things to make them more successful subway that ideal is by investing in people and then th in the way you dealh people who have been left behind despite leaving a strong safety
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net. you have to pay for that which is why i believe in a progressive tax system. >> host: in the time we have left, you wrote about so many challenges we face and the solutions will provide the kind of bipartisanship and support, but there's a couple topics you didn't touch upon, mass incarceration, criminal justice, the need to movement and of course the quality of the century. >> guest: i'm a huge supporter for all kinds of reasons including the fact i have four daughters. i think what women have had to endure in the workplace is intolerable and if we are going to be a just society, women have to be treated to be safe
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wherever they are. we can have a bout of movements that do not come from political parties. so i am a huge supporter of death. justice reform are very much related but if you look at what we've done in terms of mass incarceration in this country, we have 25% of the world kind of people who are incarcerated come and 5% of the population. it's stunning. one of three african-american males are incarcerated in this country. it's a completely amoral system devastating to families. we need to do two things. number one, reform the system and there should be bipartisan support. there is another dimension that
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we've all acknowledged the system for decades has been called. there's a maximum sentence for nonviolent crimes approaching the criminal justice that has ruined the lives of a huge percentage of the population. we know them something. but it's not just good enough to fix the system. you have to think about okay we fix the system and acknowledged what we did was wrong. what about the people that had their lives ruined how do we make sure they get all of their rights restored and support them in ways that allow them to overcome any missed opportunities they've had that if you are getting your first shot at 50 because you wasted your whole prime years in prison you are not going to get the same job. we basically need a whole strategy around left en liftinge people who deliver something
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from us because we allow there to be a criminal justice system and a lot of bad stuff going on with private prisons and state elected officials that was just a moral. .. to. >> i really enjoy reading your book.
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i thought it was very intriguing with your policies and i agree with you and what you said but as a former athlete when i read is your book what you had to tell your daughter after she competed, you had to tell her some bad news about her second place finish and also to the principles so can you tell us about that story? she gave you permission. >> she was eight years old and honest eating local mountain here in virginia. i would typically go with her to the races we had a routine different mountain winter stops the school but this was
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the championship it was the end of the winter. there were two heats. they put up their time then they again. she was in second place after her first heat. in the second heat second from last. the parent volunteer and help set up the course and also assign gatekeepers. to make sure that they make it through the gate. i had the last gate on the course really well but she misses my gait. then the next year comes down in the race is over so i need
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to the bottom of the course and she is there with her helmet and goggles and eight years old and looking up at the board and see she is still in second place because people had not turned in the disqualification yet. all the judges are still ski down. he is jumping up and down. look look look. i said i think that you miss a gate acting like it wasn't mine. she said no i didn't. she said i made all the gates. i said you didn't and it was mine. i have to turn it in. she's feed off. she was crying. but my wife and i say reason kid or anything in life you have a moment it is a hard
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password that you need the path it is hard to take the hard path even though it is very hard at the time. this was one of those moments. a friend of mine said i hope you got it right left mac left last. >> i know you wrote this book and you are getting ready for big race ahead of you. best of luck. congratulations thank you so much for joining us today.
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the macbook tv on c-span2. one of the things we like to do coming to the publishers convention is preview some of the book coming out in the fall. joining it now and long time machine's reporter and editor now a

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