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american foreign policy right now and also a teacher and to visit a few books that i absolutely love but have not looked at it a long time. coming out in the early '80s was a collection of the best work and the anthology that came out in 2005 called we tell ourselves stories to live. this program does contain language that some may find offensive.
>> if you choose to believe who you really are in america or what you can or ought to be. >> white or black or hispanic or asian. >> would you have your grandchildren bathing in that water? >> know. >> cracker. do you want a cracker? >> one of the best places to work but it is 100 degrees today. so i don't know. but i'm unemployed for sure. >> children and animals can get more but where things were a little bit nicer.
this is our record. and we are serious. but i want to thank c-span for coming. everybody stand up look at the camera. everybody stand up. say hello detroit c-span. [laughter] we are at the detroit public library. when they cut the budget here to save the art museum. the way we got that art was art collectors in europe sold
it to get out to save their families and their children. so i don't really hold onto things by a piece of art but writing the most him a credit cart of them all. but just about everybody on planet earth somehow they are caught to take a pencil to a piece of paper to put your thoughts down so support your public library. i want to thank my mom i love you more than you know and my wife. i won't say. [laughter] and a big brassy balls guy who has taken on the power and the
thievery that we are all victims of i guess i work for them beautiful people thank you who help me to share my talent. i got one of these in d.c. very smart people they go to the bookstore. and i say i did not vote for trump or clinton. so that's the way it works. i get to pick. it's nobody's fault but yet it is everybody's fault. if i pick joann style because i love joann style i don't think the thought that this book would have coalesced i don't think i would have been
able to see and understand what bob and matt and i were living through intel that was put into perspective and i will be that but it is a trip across america over three years starting in roger ale's office from fox news. flint, the border of texas, ferguson, the campaign trail with trump, what is meaningful to you? >> arizona. north dakota all of that. flint. all of that equals ferguson the bundy mom -- the bunny region nevada that at some level people are angry at government whether washington or flint or white people blasted in the street and you
pay and you pay with the lifestyle for your children is slipping away. if you feel that way you are not alone and you are the majority. but don't lose each other. we are not each other's enemy. there is something called for personal responsibility we will get along just fine. i would like to quote justice hugo black in a landmark decision new york times versus united states of america with the pentagon papers. it turns out all the way from truman to nixon they were lying 35000 men lost their lives to perpetuate the lie so it was a danger to themselves as the premier court said they
are allowed the press serves the government not the governors. and that is where we live these days i think. the media is shrinking advertising money is consolidated and they push us around you don't push me around i will walk right the fuck out the door. to my people. thank you. [applause] in between all of these little places there are essays so i will read a few. not the stories looking for fire water and to be very careful about that. [laughter] but he will walk right one.
we came out of the deep south the men of the deep south were in a deep freezer jesus h christ bet people were going hungry and a man had to do what he had to do to eat it was no different in the north in my hometown. a man fishing from the piercy the lake then the second and the third and he knows that much random bits of dead people bobbing along the banks of the detroit river. the sheet billowing in the current also a suitcase and a skill saw below the waterline. a fisherman called the police. i know you he shouts tv reporters are the closest thing to celebrities in
flyover country so greetings are exchanged at low tide that is the "sh*t show" bobbing in the background to say cheese. eventually they did arrive so the black men are still fishing from the p are taking care to pass over the horror and these are the unrehearsed moments the natural interaction between the white cop and the black bystander them versus us. the hungry masses this unscripted reality never makes the news it is too complicated and too real. what the fuck shouted the detective? this is a crime scene one fisherman had a pail full of fish what you expect me to do? [laughter] they jumped in the pale. calm down it's not the and of the world. oh my god.
i just did a swing through the east coast. that is all they are doing. all of this stuff is going on out here. all the jobs we have not really good jobs you can send your kids to college like more people than never living in apartments or why the real estate is going up again you feel it. wait a minute. i remember 2008. remember? it wasn't that long ago. so a little perspective. the cities were coming unglued with the political leadership dangled eating barbecue talking about the swing states like iowa the urban core may
have been on another continent with all the candidates were talking about it yes reports of police per tablet he is unarmed black man continue to fill the airwaves and started to make me wonder was this a predictable moment of it a cycle that repeats itself every 50 years in american life or was this an exaggerated discontent fueled by the loop of recycled over and over on cable news? one thing for sure summer of 2015 would be long and violent but nothing like the hot summer of 1968. then more than 100 cities burned in the wake of the assassination of martin luther king at the same time. king who died at the hands of james earl ray a white supremacist with the riots are
in baltimore in chicago. murder was on the rise chicago set a record surpassing the homicides for the first time in history. on the political front senator kennedy was assassinated by an arab nationalist after winning the democratic primary that convention was held in chicago and ended in a riot between police and protesters the segregationist governor of alabama 146 electoral votes in the end richard nixon was elected and you know how that worked out. [laughter] at the same time the membership of the black panther party was awaiting trial for separate incidents of ambushing and assassinating california police officers. the weatherman the homegrown terrorist group embarked on a
campaign of domestic violence convened their first meeting in ann arbor michigan college campuses across the nation were being seized by protesters in riots broke out in columbia university in new york. the existential threat of isis? or get at the bloodiest week of the vietnam war came in februar february 1968 as the vietcong launched the tet offensive. but 50 years earlier in the summer of 19193 dozen cities burned in the great race riot that consumed the nation again in baltimore and in chicago over the course of one week what came to be known as the red summer. thirty-eight people 23 blacks blacks and 15 whites killed in chicago and the homes of a thousand families burned at the hands of flaxen white.
people were pulled from trolley cards and executed violence was quelled only after the state militia was called out. in the aftermath the city integrated a commission on race relations to study the causes of the riot the findings is the negro in chicago were published in 1922 good have just as easily been published today. the traditional ostracism and exploitation and petty daily insults to which they are continually exposed even in a normal minded negro the pathological attitude toward society the report read a desire for social revenge might well be detected from this insulting manner in which negroes are treated by officers of the law it was tumultuous no doubt and people
are one -- people were angry presentment by social media called to action in a matter of minutes and now legally stockpiled military grade weaponry. innocence was almost monthly now and that was different but where were we really as a society? or just at sea level? one thing was certain. tv wasn't offering much perspective we were busy yodeling out of our holes do want to hear the white side now? remember this is a travelogue i'm just giving you the philosophy we managed to scrape up i want to give it to
you there is no applause after that i kind of like it because then you think he is a jackal. one or the other. [laughter] you remember oregon on the bird sanctuary take over? that they would star the range war the federal government walking on our right and that bird sanctuary in arizona. it is 50 degrees below in oregon and they are suburban from phoenix and they want to return to the owners which is you. who would help them move? it was one of the sidekicks and took a bullet when they try to break through the fbi barricade he got out of the
car you have to kill me. and then literally asked for it and then received it. his death at the hands of law enforcement with the white lives matter chatter but almost everyone knows if you go with a loaded ruger in your pocket it will not work out well he was an exotic white man an exception the extreme case whose death was orchestrated by himself with his courtship of the camera. but would get eds attention they were under suspicious circumstances without an army of professionals looking on. since the michael brown shooting the washington post has taken upon itself to track down and tabulate every death by copying united states in the details surrounding those
so the media knew before them on enforcement agencies are not required to report incidents of deadly force to the fbi like all crime statistics in general the reporting is voluntary and unaccountable it showed analysis deadly force by police to be 250% higher than historically reported. think about that. another finding in 2015 and 16 twice as many white people died at the hands of police officers as black people and in many of these cases like of the drunk driver in tennessee shot multiple times through his rear window by a cop who jumped into his pickup bed there is graphic video that she call to question the need for deadly force. where was the media? to be clear, by any standard of measurement he had to get the shit end of the stack that
blacks are more likely to die at the hands of the police but what about white on white? statistics would reveal the overwhelming majority of white diet the hands of police come from the shabbier side of the tracks the poor white boy poor grammar in the rowdy one who misbehaves at the bar on saturday night he might smoke meth underemployed maybe next con or a product of the lower class he has few friends in the media world because it is populated by the upper-class white people decidedly liberal and then to discuss the notion of white privilege and they are the embodiment of it and at least they were in their mind they convince themselves they have overcome this
paradox through education and intellectual magazine articles world travel and psychotherapy the way the liberal feels they are no longer privileged but self-aware and self-made and they are woke. in the hierarchy of american life blacks on the bottom and whites are on the top but that only comes around when there is a catastrophe like katrina or flint or a police shooting. but again what about the poor white man? believe that they have scrubbed themselves clean of it but how could they know? they spent no time in his living room in the corner bar so to them he is a louse and a bore into racist to dig any
deeper is an exercise of inconvenience and toothache he resides only in appalachia but that is right under their noses from boston. so when these white men are at the hands of law enforcement it is universally agreed upon that they must have deserved it after all the black man is the target by virtue of his skin color what possible defense cut a white man muster? please do not kill white people unless they had it coming. the black media hops on border turns their head away to have little contact with the white lower class their interest more like maintaining their credibility with the community will not belong if they ever did in study show what you should already know. regardless of race people are more violent for they are then
the mark content they are likely to have with the cops the media is determined to see only in this stereotype. [applause] are you bored? do i love hot? i've been working out a little bit. [laughter] to more and i will leave it at that and we will go to q&a. i could stop? >> no. >> okay. they are not here. hanging out with the
politicians what does hugo black say? you god for the government not the governors. bullshit. tee5. come back home media. we need you. i miss doing tv. that was fun. i have been watching it. but now i know why nobody does. [laughter] do it all the public's trust in everything fell to an all time low now getting into campaign season.
those were the all time low donald trump and hillary clinton were the least popular characters to seek the presidency and modern history. [laughter] i think we invented frozen peas in detroit. and then the quagmire cadillac it is remarkable. anyway at all-time lows hillary clinton was the least popular character in modern history and as for congress one polling firm found cockroaches brussels sprouts colonoscopies and gonorrhea were morrow popular in the elected representatives. [laughter] apparently the american people realized for a proctologist at
least for your own well-being. as for the mainstream media the public's trust lowest level in reported history may be calling them out is dishonest may be hyper- partisan posture they adopted in the face of the ever-changing audience but whatever the reason no one to blame but ourselves the hillary e-mail leaks confirmed for people with a long suspected when it comes to politicians at a little dinner party in washington d.c. the public out with a gaggle of reporters to drink and dine and have off record conversations at the residence of a campaign representative nobody ever bothered to inform the public of what they heard journalist said listen to the talking points they offered secret encouragement and then advance of the debate traded
independence for access and the occasional scoop but on the other side conservative tv pundits were advising trump on his rhyme one said he wasn't a journalist but a talk show what is that supposed to mean? he did no fact checking was that the gold standard? this went on at the local level as well. . . . .
the press awarded themselves and reported these are the important events to you, the ordinary citizen. every year they drew -- through a big washington party for themselves and introduce their sources to movie stars and comedians who played fake reporters better than real reporters played real reporters. and then as if to repay the favor, real reporters showed up in fictitious movies and tv shows playing their real-life selves with fake stories. then they pass themselves off as independent analyst.
you'll forgive the ordinary citizens confusion, at least a cockroach knows it's always a cockroach. [applause] police, i respect them. the vast majority are good. there are bad ones in the please know it, and it's difficult to weed them out. it's hard to be a cop. if you've got a second guess yourself can you not going to be a cop. that's why you always hear about the acyl, but imagine what it is to be a cop in this country, right now. we are heavily armed. it's off the tracks. toby is everywhere. discontent, that the only form of government that even answers you. didn't even know you. city hall doesn't call you, call you back, the good about that. they're not rich people,
working people, i refuse to classify them universally as thugs and i will tell you about one right now, right here in the city. while i was in flint, september, two months before the vote police started arguing and ca ken stiles was shot and arrested. five days later he was dead from a blood clot, making him the 40th police officer in america in 2016 to die slowly line of duty. i knew him about a bankruptcy city. let me say if bad cops were truly the problem in urban america, if bad cops are truly the problem in urban america
then, men like ken stiles was certainly the solution. he was the squad leader of an elite unit that hunted the worst of humanity. murders of children, the terminal insane. his crew often found themselves in dark alleyways and abandoned houses, the only , on his 20 years on the job yet never discharge his firearm and had no discipline or misconduct complaints of any kind in his file. he died trying to catch a man who had tried to murder his own father and was rampaging across the city across the town. someone called the police and sergeant style answered.
no questions asked and now he was dead. i learned a long time ago in the aftermath that 911 that a reporter knocking on the door the grieving family was nothing more than emotional acetone which really will erode what little glue is left holding it together. i got a call from joanne from of her husband colleagues. she wish to see me. there was something she wanted to tell the world so we pulled up and parked a few houses down from hers, a respectable distance of families and friend might have a few moments to cs and adjust to her presence. they had a ceremonial car parked outside of her home.
the oversight dartboards of rust located where the decal used to be. a joke. the mood in the house was somber for the two boys taken the school bus. against the wall with a saltwater fish tank he had built. she said she had no idea how to care for it but she would try. they readied the camera and took a deep breath. i forgive the person who did this to him because i know my heart if he knew what he took from house he wouldn't do this. we need more love in this country right now. my heart ached out it had not in many years. widow forgives her husband's murder. she then asked all of us to love one another. and yet, who showed her and her children love. at the funeral he was given a posthumous promotion for
captain. it was good with cameras but it came with no increase for his wife and children. financially he would still be a sergeant. because of the city's bankruptcy, his family no longer would receive health coverage through the power of the woman's grace projected into the living room of lawmakers, the stated missio michigan granted them this for five years. when the oldest boy turned ten he would have to fend for himself. most insulting was the matter of the funeral building, despite its pomp and circumstance and the mayor spouting crimes are over his casted, he would not be paid for by the city died serving but the family he left behind. if there is a war on police in america, it felt like the snipers were on every side, criminals, activists, double talking politicians, commentators, but instead of a
war, a widow called for love. all i could do for her with the power of tv. [inaudible] her husband kept his end of the bargain, to serve the politician, and the bankers did not. they took. it's another crushing example of the that between the races and it was clear that the white white and and the widow and the black man in ferguson and the latina woman polishing
the capers marble in simi valley had so much in common but could not find a common ground. this thing called tv only serve to spin confusion. i'd absorbed the disorder as if it was gasoline odors. it was corrosive. i needed air and i needed to get out. thank you for coming. [applause] you want to drink beer or ask a question. before i forget, "after words" at the american coney island downtown there will be an after party, motel music, drinks, it will be fun.
[applause] that took some balls. any question? bobby, stand up and ask it. [inaudible] you are my favorite linebacker. bob would jump out on a freeway and block a congressman motorcade, asserted you take it. is a beautiful brotherhood. it ain't over. you don't want to just keep laying the same bars on friday
night. you and take a break, put your stuff down, trust me on it. , the dude in the checkered thing. >> what's an interview you've always wanted to conduct and how do you imagine not going and with whom? >> none. it's all in the moment. i know what i want to do, if i'm going north dakota i want the preacher in the oil patch. he's a millionaire while cap millionaire and he's going around trying to save men's souls. i want back up and i'm focused on that guy. if it's trump, i want trump.
to a type project. no preaching, no dalai lama or anything like that. i want to wor know what happened to the charlie the duff website. i try to look it up online it says locked because of viruses. did someone take over your website. >> my brother redesigned it years ago and i lost holly upload stuff. i'm just trying to get rid of it but i'm afraid if i do. [inaudible] suppose i could learn. hit me up on facebook. facebook is messing me up. it's missing yet.
but how are you. >> i'm great. your good writer. your great storyteller. i was wondering, this is an overall condemnation of media, do you make a distinction between biased cable news networks versus local television networks versus national publications, some of which you've worked for. it unsettles me, the general condemnation that you spread across the board, and if you certainly watch one type of media, and i will call them out, fox news you certainly get some kind of perspective versus reading and analyzing and having a variety of sources for media input.
>> the question is this, do you make a distinction among them? it seems to be a general condemnation. i don't think it's fair to characterize something like the atlantic magazine in the same pot as fox national news. >> when i. >> the thing is, it's not a media book. >> i did read 99% of it. >> finish it. >> i stopped at the trump. good point, good point. there's different pieces. we talk about why they're in here, why there so much violence on local tv, not because it sells but because it's easy to make. you can make it really quickly. you'll notice at the top of the news, there's three or four or five just horrible things. that's because of murder died, he got shot he died, there's no tape, is the sound bite
from the chief of police. you do that all day long. nationally they don't do any reporting. cnn knows they have no bench. there ar no reporters. they're just commentators. where does the news that gives broadcast come from, it's the print stuff, but again the white working class, when i read you that thing about white people being shot and i attacked the, i examine the liberal white media and then they start out with the conservative white media because they flew the white working class out because they revolted against the republican master. my thing is all of us, anyone who stands in judgment were observes should take a look at themselves, and i think i did
it myself, ucr the stakes in our bias and you just have to know it's not a science and that you have a right to be skeptical of it and if they're going to push you to cynicism them that's our problem for doing it and here's what i read in the morning. new york times washington post, wall street journal the facfacts are pretty straight. they're pretty good. it's usually come in out of there. it usually does. choose how you want, say what you want, i'm just showing you the sausage. i've been to all of these
thing things, i've been to fox and i've into the new york times but i have a pretty good idea. your husband come about the guy i admire. that's like the real deal. he doesn't gather it, but he consumes it and he projects it in a reasonable and sophisticated and common way. we are losing that because numbers. i submit to you that numbers can be interesting, but the reporter must ablate when he not getting paid or she's not getting paid and read the contract and don't show up asking a question you don't know the answer too. do your homework. when they give you a lie or some bs, you challenge them on it because you know the numbers. that's what needs be done. it's getting silly.
who believes that. [applause] i want your take on the new narrative on the city of detroit. all this on the grass is greener, the waters colder, there's no problems, everyone is excited about detroit, i think more than anything is the perception that has changed because for the first time we have a white mayor for 40 years and that has delivered a comfort level that has eluded a lot of people over the years and what is your take? >> there certainly cement, there's new stuff, i assume most of us are from the region, windsor, livingston county and within. we know, i've never seen this but it's fantastic. there's a new bar.
but, at what price is it sustainable. nobody's doing numbers. we'll put it to you this way. the detroit public schools are the worst-performing schools in america. that's our children. every region, we live together , these kids don't do well, your kids want to well. it's true. we've all decided were going to look out for kids, but it's the worst. so, 600 million in the hole. 700million in the hole. the state is going to bail out you. the taxpayer took down and yet we found 600 million in the city to give it to a billionaire. now, let's do the math. we paid, we lost 20 million a year on that deal. 12million to finance it and
8 million to pay in revenue share. that's 20 million gone out of the budget. in order to recoup that, in order to break even for the public bank, not like it's fun to go to a bar, what kind of jobs would you have to create at what paygrade to pay that back yearly. you want here the number, remember, we don't give sales tax for it. we don't give property tax because they technically own it. they rented for one dollar a year. here's what it would take to make 20 million back. it would take 1000 millionaires. year to be working in detroit. that has to create 1000 millionaires today to pay back.
how about 10000, hundred thousand dollar jobs. okay, that sounds ridiculous, about 20000, $20050 a year jobs. it doesn't work. it's voodoo economics. we can argue about it, but i don't even hear that. this is the issue. they wanted you rta, regional transit, the queue line is broken they want to put on your home, nobody's doing the math. if you look at the budget, i did it because i'm a freak, that ten years adjusted for the current rate of inflation, their own calculation, the ridership will diminish in terms of fair collection. you can see that number go up, 20 million to 25 million. 2.5% is the current rate of inflation yearly. we don't have a lot of money
here, let's be very specific and were doing. my opinion, how's that for not dogging the thing because i like stuff but it's a shooting gallery out there. the fbi refuses to take detroit police statistic. crimes down, says hu. says governors? the governors say that but the steps don't show that. my guy, left police making less money, making pure arrests leads to a decrease in crime. know it don't. we can do better, okay i'll stop. okay, that's all great, i don't know if you can hear me, but what's the solution? >> keep on going. >> and what does that mean.
>> keep on going. whoever's in power now or people making a difference and getting into the city and making change. >> what you mean. >> making change, not moving downtown by engaging more, contributing more. >> what does that mean, what you saying? i'm for fair trade, not free-trade. what does that mean. >> that means actually engaging what does that mean? , i mean instead of just complaining about it or talking about it or asking questions, actually making a difference, instead of asking questions and challenging what you see, that's not engaging. >> that you engaging but what about the rest of us.
>> you figure out your way. >> what should we do. >> i am your cousin in the human family but i'm not telling you what to do. i'm not moving in, i can afford it. >> i know when i just moved in and i can afford it. >> where is your car registered. >> detroit, and i'm paying my own water. >> we can do better, you're right, we get it, it's tough. were here, we made a commitment to hear. we go like that and we all do the work of living. you do it your way, i'll do it
my way and i got your back. i'm not dragging it down. like no more stealing. if i see him stealing, that's my job. i'm in the be on your kneecap like a dog to chop bone. that's what i can do. i tend all the meetings. we just -- not one reporter. check out that website because were to blow that up. let's face it. here's everybody does the news of the morning. [laughter] done, will give you those three or four they need to keep your eyes peeled, it's coming. he's been doing it for a while but were going to blow it up for a while. two more.
>> is there any truth to the term big news. >> yes, there is fake news, but it's more like superficial news. they're quick to get it in and it's not done, but i will say this but i don't know about you, i shouldn't say this because i'd like to work again, but i'm saying it, i don't remember a single facebook add or story coming out of russia that influenced my mind. i don't remember one, but i do remember fox news and cnn. [applause] okay. oh yes, i was waiting.
>> i just want to say that i am new to michigan. i am just so proud that you speak truth to power and enjoy the things that i see you do in the books that you write, and i hope that you keep on. what happened to booktv thing? why are you not on the news? >> okay. [inaudible] >> i'm leaving. [laughter] could shake your head if it's wrong, bob, if i'm doing wrong. a lot of reasons.
we limit hard and it gets to you and you need a break and every fifth book i do that. but at some point, when you get too close can you not really allowed to keep going, do you know what i'm saying? i'll just say it like that, let me be charitable about it. when bob and i started, it was like the beatles doing she loves you yeah, yeah, yeah. ♪ ♪ ♪ it was fun and we get some) we run into our underpants and then it turns into we are the walrus, we are the egg men and the music changed and it became hard and we were getting to places and we didn't want to go back. : : :
>> you see people being mistreated and you tell us about it but i like reading your work to empathize with people who might otherwise dismiss their feelings so that is helpful to me. so do you seize stuff that is hopeful? what keeps you from going totally bonkers? [laughter] you my wife i won't give any secrets away because you said that you are out there so it
showing that it has secrets nobody was aware of. but i love that i like concocting stories i turned it on or turn it off and then over time people realize oh my god. the neck are there places from world war ii there are of the end in sight with dangerous material? >> all over the place. a lot of it was easier back then in the 60s or 70s they didn't have money to clean it up the epa did not exist and told nixon created in the 70s. it didn't exist before that so talk about corporation self regulating it don't think that works but it is easier and
more cost-effective but obviously that has repercussions. >> you told me during the book he did more research for these and any others. why is that? >> the military is a complicated beast all of these acronyms and rules and regulations. and to understanding the rhetoric. i don't like to drill down too much but you have to get into the weeds a little that. so i wanted to write the book as if i'd actually served in the military. every military person knows the sidearm is what they will carry or scope on this sniper again or a duffel bag or what
he has to wear on certain days. but i had to put that into his mentality this is his life. so it didn't interfere with the story. it is really hard to do that. the writer is a lot of research but not to be integrated into the story. so then flip flip flip and then you get back to the story. i don't want to read that. >>host: and then you create
suspense all the time investigators were going to you create suspense all the time investigators were going to even suggesting there was a videotape coming so that generates more media interest. let's see what he has to say. guess what it never comes out. >> then he selects a detractor. to say we think donald trump is lying. so anybody that pops up as a hack if he can find a scapegoat and that is when that creates that dynamic. >> just like the press conference at the trump hotel come in with a major announcement also look at my brand-new beautiful hotel and said yes barack obama is a
citizen and i cleared it up i am the winner by hillary clinton started it i finished it. victory. >> on the city council i give first crack to authors whose subjects are about praying so it is a special treat for me to introduce a neuroscientistto the author of an amazing story it is her story about what happened when cancer invaded her brain and it wentnt wrong. the amazing part is that she lived to tell us all about it. born and raised and educated in warsaw in poland with masters of science degree in organic chemistry in her phd in medical science