tv Discussion with Librarian of Congress and National Archivist on... CSPAN July 29, 2018 1:00pm-2:31pm EDT
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since i've been in the position in the library of congress is the fact that people ask me well, what is the national archives do? >> what does that mean? >> what does the archivist do ? and then there's confusion about the histories and the role of each of the institutions and i've learned a lot. even coming up to reclaim the declaration of independence, bill of rights. >> we call it the constitution. [laughter] >> but we are held by the library of congress and that type of thing. >> you got an earlier start than we did. it wasn't until the 1930s that the united states got serious about records. it was franklin roosevelt was passionate about records,
that we actually created, he founded legislation that created the national archives . the charters that carla is referring to have been in the custody of the state department and the library of congress and when the archive was built, a beautiful tabernacle was created for the declaration of independence and doors opened in 1935 but the library unknown congress refused to release thedeclarations. and i've held that against you ever sense .>> i wasn't born yet but i knew this was going to happen. >> it wasn't until harry truman came into office that he kind of laid down along with the new library of congress that they needed to deliver that document where it belonged so as carla described, it was a military ceremony with tanks and military people lining the steps and she always
describes it as a grab for the declaration. >> literally. >> but it was the transfer of the document to its rightful place. >> we have photographs of those people. but tanks. >> howitzers. >> yes. right there waiting. and you can imagine the curator and the librarians thinking maybe it's time. and who was the librarian of congress? do you remember? >> someone here. winston jarvis here. he is my check on allthe time . >> so that was the start of the kind of clarification of rules and really dividing up things. >> the archive was created to
collect and protect and make available the records of the united states government.so the natural question is what about that was created before 1934 when the legislation was signed? a lot of it is in our custody, some of it is that the library of congress area since the materials were stored in attics andbasements a lot of it was lost in the fire . but what we have now is a dividing line between everything the government creates and that's me and everything they don't create which isyou. >> sometimes , i'mtired but i'm glad you're you . i've learned that. >> thereare times when i wish i were you . >> and i've described it another way to. that for instance, truman and his official records might be
the truman library and i'd like to be given to those things to with the presidential library span, some of the letters that he wrote to his family so the person is where you might put things that the person, the diaries, all the things like that, personal part in the personal life of an official might be at the library of congress so the papers of 23 presidents from george washington to coolidge are at the library of congress and we were both in starkville mississippi. >> starkville mississippi where ulysses s grant is probablyrevolving in his grave . >> and abraham lincoln . >> presidential library. >> library in louisville. >> and we were there. >> we were. further, there are more than
200 residential sites around the country. people beyond the library of congress who have responsibility for some aspect of a presidents life and they are all meeting in washington in august . >> and what's interesting about the presidential library, the library of congress has custody of the actual papers and documents of ulysses s grant and what some of the presidential library is, what they will collect and make copies of things from different collections about the president. >> that's right. >> and that's how some of the presidential libraries were established. >> when franklin roosevelt created the archive he decided to have a presidential library so technically is was the first. i'm convinced he was a closet
archivist. he was passionate about his papers and understood the importance and spent a lot of time hiring the first archivist and spent a lot of time deporting that first archivist in his work as he was trying to figure out where the records are and more importantly to convince the agency had to give up the records because that wasn't something people were interested in doing. roosevelt created his own library and huber herbert hoover decided he wanted a library but this was all voluntary until 1972 when dexter present next and his thought that he owned his own records, that legislation was passed. the presidential records act which made it government property. so 1972 is kind of a marker that you have to donate. you have to give your papers to the national archive. >> so the rule really became official then and theother
department . that's another confusion that happens sometimes. >> with the separate laws. the federal records had been orchestrated earlier than that and that guides all of the records management activities for the executive branch so all that you hundred 75 executive branch cabinet level agencies and departments. >> 45 congressional records. >> we provide by a gentlemen's agreement way back when, we providecourtesy storage for the records of congress and service them , provide the records of congress but they aren't at the library of congress . >> and i want all the people watching and listening to realize that the joy of working with your colleagues, some that you've known, i know david in his time at the
new york public and all that is that you have this kind of friendly kind of historical competition. so when you talk about that. >> and grudges. >> so when you talk about, and i know you seen that movie national treasure. you've got all the kids doing it. the library of congress has first. printing. it just had john hancock on it. >> it wouldn't have been that first printing if those original signers didn't sign something. >> see? >> which i have. >> okay. it's okay. and the gettysburg, they took on the field. the content that they bring on lincoln's cabinet, they deliver. >> before lots of thomas
jefferson's hair. just saying. [laughter] you know, so there is kind of it's fun to have this kind of historical back and forth with people. we've got a few artifacts to in the republic. >> it's in the vatican, napoleon. >> very few things over there. so everybody, let's not even bring up hamilton . okay, let's bring up hamilton. how did you pull that off? >> through the new york public library, tommy kale who was the director of hamilton was a member of the library for the performing arts visiting committee and he and i became good friends and when we decided to honor
ron chernow and lynn maxwell. >> it's really good. >> wehad all three of them in-house . >> well, we're not going to name drop . don't let that go. >> hamilton signed at valley forge signed by george washington . >> and we just digitized the last note to his wife eliza. [applause] it's so much fun. >> i'd like to petition to the government outlining her poverty asking for support from the federal government. >> and we were finishing digitizing all her
correspondence for the rest of her life when she made and burnish it is reputation . >> and the digitization. >> we can go on, name a few historical figures. if they were official, that's what you are asking. >> what are we doing together in the digital age? >> we are doing cool stuff . >> we are working on a terrific exhibit with the dns tracing the french french role in the american revolution. i think you guys are involved in the public library. >> and the bms just in case. >> another project with the british library in george's. about the beginnings of this country, king george and our king george. >> we are calling it the king george is because of their george, george iii and george
washington. and the whole thing aboutit is they were reading some of the same books at the same time . they had similar interests so it will be a joint exhibit with the royal archives of windsor. we didn't go to the windsor but our research timing didn't coincide. but the royalarchives , came to college and william and mary here so that type of collaboration happens all the time. and we mentioned tony march and new york public because in terms of a public library, has a collection that complements some of the things that we are involved in. the republic of the library that we work closelywithin different ways . so the burning question that people have asked me already and came up at a session, one
of the sessions, what do we do and how do we deal with technology going forward? some of the historical records now are going to be in a different format. >> they already are. >> and you been on the forefront of that with your putting a hard stop on collecting. >> i'm sure you heard in the press about the presidents reform plan that was issued last week. if you go to page 103 you will see a two-page description of the national archives contribution to that reform plan and what it spells out is the message that we've already delivered to the agencies that we are no longer accepting paper at the end of 2022. they have until 2022 to get their paper to us that in their custody now. it's scheduled to be transferred after 2022 two
digital only so the agencies have already been prepared for this. many of them, 85 percent about have been already digitizing their records. so we are in pretty good shape that way. but the most important factor is that those agencies are already creating the records electronically and they have been for some time. so this is not a great surprise, a great shot. just as a data point as i know there are some people who are confused about what's going on with the obama library, it turns out that more than 80 percent of the obama records are born digital. there is no paper equivalents . so the plan is with the agreement of the foundation that we willcreate the first all-digital presidential library .
the money that would have been invested in creating a physical facility in chicago is going to be devoted to digitize asian of that 15 percent that isn't already digital. and that's a very different model for presidential libraries. a very different model for how we deliver information, service presidential records but it's an exciting opportunity for us to think a whole new way of communicating, connecting with our users. >> are you going to be growing techniques for museums in terms of how you display? >> the plan is that the foundation has already designed and will build a museum and we will loan to them artifacts because the presidential libraries are a compilation of paper, film, photographs. lots of artifacts. gifts from foreign heads of
state and from the american people.more macaroni pictures thanyou've ever seen in your life . >> the things from children, hopefully? >> every one of the presidential libraries as this collection so those are the kind of things that will end up in the museum part. >> what about letters from young people? >> those are all digitized now. >> that's very cool, all the letters. >> that's important to me because when i became the archivist , the director of the kennedy handed me a copy of the letter that a kid wrote the president asking for information about the proposed piece war and is a letter for me. two weeks later the eisenhower called and said they found three letters from president eisenhower and when i visited the lbj library they gave me a copy of the letter to lbj congratulating him or signing the civil
rights act . >> you've been working on this for a while. [laughter] that is cool. >> so i'm sure you've heard about our sleepovers and one of the activities during our sleepovers are an auction for the kids to write a letter to the president and we deliver those letters to the president next monday morning and the white house then supplies us with a letter we can send back tothem thanking the kids for their interest . and some words of encouragement signed by the president. >> and i must say that there have been wonderful moments and things that have been challenging but one of the most challenging has been trying to figure out from the library how i can help this
wonderful thing that you do withchildren in the archive. a sleep over by the constitution . right? and in that wonderful place, there they are. it's night and they're really having fun and then the next morning and i've heard so many people tell me this, do you know the archivist in the united states makes pancakes for thekids ? so now, don't worry. we have thomas jefferson's recipe for macaroni and cheese. i'm trying to get david. >> you're trying to hoarding to this event. >> this is really true. because i have, i said okay, maybe we could make a progressive evening. you're just saying, david.
we have a new gang of three in washington, they have gangs of four and five so there's a new gang in town, it's the gang of three. david sorkin, david berio and carla hayden and in the smithsonian archive in the library, we met and we talk about this and we might have, one of the kids started out at the natural history museum . with all that stuff. and i think that was, it slept there because, so we're trying to figure this out. i think the evening should be robust. >> i think errands space already does sleep over. >> seed? so we working together. >> but you did mention the fact that david sorkin, that's an important thing we should talk about and that is a close working relationship the three of us had which is unlike, i've been there for almost 9 years and this is the first time that the three institutions have gotten serious about working
together. >> and it's fun because i invited the two david's over to the library of congress for this luncheon and of course our curators in my branch without the good silver, we call it. all of our stock. and they're in there. we knew that this david was the ultimate so we had one of our librarians bring out this wonderful opera things telling some of the stuff as you know. >> was the first printing of the first libretto for an opera. >> right. >> which i've never heard of. >> and then david is a jasper that so webrought out the philly strayhorn thing that he just got . not all of jelly roll morton and the curator was so good, he knew opera and jazz area.
>> he sang. >> and he sang. jazz, we had the chicken salad thing and all that, it was very nice . so this curator had a piece by jelly roll morton who was known for jazz. that's really, the two types of music because jelly roll morton did an operetta or did something and so he just slid right into that. david sorkin and i think we can reveal this, wanted to get the card of the curator so there is some coaching. >> you tried to steal the curator right in front of her. >> right in front of me. >> are you happy here? >> yes, he's happy. we had to talk to the guy
afterwards. are you happy? so that kind of, but it's really a lot of fun when you start joining. >> but the pressure, weare doing the next one . the pressure is already on about what are we going to show you? >> that's really the coolest stuff because women's suffrage is coming up and you have a lot of things at the smithsonian. we even talk about you mention eric's space and you have for the wright brothers some pretty cool things. the patent. and the library of congress as the actual papers david mccullough did in his book on the wright brothers and it was really based on that and then the smithsonian asthe plane . >> the model, gap. >> we are working to see what are some of the things we have that each of us can bring together for a special exhibit to really put things,
when one is having an exhibit on something, putsomething about it in our own institution . and the smithsonian, we were pleased. we had the first photo, known photo of harriet tallman and it's going to be exhibited in the new read digitized, we took care of it and it's going to be on exhibit at the new museum of african-american history. and you'll see more of it. so we all have this friendly rivalry. it's always fun and when tony comes to play and puts his things down there and all, but just getting this community of history and culture seems to be growing. and we worked together for that. >> so what has surprised you? >> at the library of congress
? >> about working in washington. >>. [laughter] tony is over here going -- i still live in baltimore. >> that says it all. >> and i commute and it's interesting because i've lived in other, when i lived in chicago, there were so many commuters that came and people would come into chicago from gary indiana every day so that the idea of people come in from different states, different places every day and i've taken the train now and you just see how many people come in to the city and then it's like elastic. and i didn't get a sense of that before.
you go in and you say there are people who live here and it expands and how many, and there's an energy there. that's somewhat to new york where you go into new york and you feel a pace and it changes and that's why when i go back to baltimore, it's like you know, where the baltimore hans and it's different. >> and there are a lot of young people. which is -- >> and they all walkfast and they have two or three devices . >> they're all smart and they're all passionateabout what they are doing . it's really rewarding. >> the brainpower there is something. so the library of congress, you probably already know it. >> what is it? another idea you stolen from us? >> were going to talk briefly about one and about the
citizens story because that is really cool. we are working on here you have in washington dc literally some of the brightest, smartest young people you will ever meet and they are just, some look like they're 12 years old and they are policy, they are something. so we're trying to think of how we can get these young millennial's. they are not even millennial's so much, engaged because they are so smart. we've had scavenger hunts and jeopardy and some really cool things to engage them. we havelibations sometimes and things like that . but yes,, jefferson was awine connoisseur . you know, we work to get these young people engaged in things thatbecause they want
to still , they want to still learn. a lot of them are coming from these colleges and they are right out of college there, still in georgetown and they're doing all this stuff so they will listen to someone talk about something or an author or something. they want to meet people. young congressional staffers said our salaries, we are here so this is like 89. to go and do something in the summer, free popcorn, how about that? free on the lawn with the machine. not just, with the machine. free popcorn. and so then they get to, i think they went happy little bit on that. >> not fundraising.
>> this is an idea i took from the public library. some other kind of group, really interested in the library. it's been in existence for 25 years or so . funding of fiction award for young authors. and so i tookthat idea to the new york , to the archives and we have a similar group that we are working with, the young founders society. trying to engage them in the life of the national archives this . these are people drawn in all kinds of different directions and getting them to focus has been a challenge. >> we don't have a name yet so we are working on that. i like young founders. i'm saying, that's a good thing so we are working on
how we can get this group and it's going to be really actually, it's the same group of kids or young people. >> probably. >> that will be going to these types of things. >> if you have literature you want me to share with my group? >> let's go with your citizen archivists because that's one we do almost verbatim and made it citizens historians because of the transcription thing. >> when i was hired in 2009 by president obama and on his first day in office he told his senior staff the government doesn't have all the answers and we need to figure out ways to engage the american public in solving some of those problems. and i took that to heart and
worked with the staff tothink about ways that we could engage the americanpublic in the work that we do and the result of that was the creation of the citizen archivists dashboard which has a number of activities that you can help us do our work . packing photographs , identifying, this has become fairly standard now, identifying people in places and photographs so i think the centerpiece, the thing i'm most excited about is the transcription project that we have going on where we loaded thousands of records. kids are being taught cursive really. >> definitely not cyrillic. >> i have billions of records in cursive so we are disenfranchising an entire generation and future generations because they can't read the stuff so we have people all over the country and the world who are looking to help us transcribe
the dashboard activities. so it's the way we're trying to engage the public. >> we just put citizens historian and because the model is so great . and there is the same need at the library of congress, susan b anthony papers, all these people. frederick douglass. some of the things in cursive literally, young people and because of the writings, sometimes other people can't read these documents so the library of congress is launching the citizen historians and we even referenced that they started with the national archives. citizen archivists because we want people doingone to think about doing the other . >> we are also working together on our history of the site where we reference sharing, collaborating and writing services to anyone who has a particular reference question or
fielding and sharing information from our own collection to solve the research needs of the people who are using history hub so that's another thing we're bringing the smithsonian on board with that also. and in another state, your faults were at the national archives . he had three from wikipedia. so we're working together. >> working together. and i also want to share what i know we've talked about a little bit. the concern about history going forward and records being created digitally and how we deal with storage issues, security , technology, keeping up in the future and it's a real concern at times. that future historians, how will they get these items
being made in a different format? >> it's the one thing all the things that keep me up at night. that's the one that keeps me up at night is insuring that our mandate is to ensure that people have access to the records in perpetuity and we are barely able to guarantee that on paper. but being able to guarantee that in the electronic environment is our biggest challenge and i always have in the back of my head the work that nicholson baker did in a book entitled double fold where he chastised us for micro-filming all those early american newspapers and throwing out the originals. leaving us in a situation where here in the united states we did not have copies of our own newspapers. because the microfilm was, and the microfilm was so
poorly created . and disintegrated in some cases but there was no, lots of reels, no quality control so the images work perfect and the worst thing was that many of the new york herald was the first newspaper i believe to introduce color into the comics in the sunday additions and the newspaper microfilm is black and white so you lost a whole sense of our history in a flawed project. i'm happy to report nicholson baker, the months that the book came out, nicholson baker's book came out, the library and circle the wagons and nicholson is the enemy. i was opening a new storage facility at duke university and i needed a speaker and i
invited nick to come and be our speaker and openness are serious in this warehouseof paper . we had dinner, had raised the money from his borrowing from his in-laws to buy from the british library the only paper copies that existed. the british library was just session in them and nick started the warehouse, became a newspaper librarian and was providing photographs and scanned images from this collection so i invited nick to the our speaker. we had dinner and i told him when you get tired of playing newspaper librarian, this wonderful new facility you just dedicated would be a great place to house them know those newspapers are at duke university now, thank god you. >> i only say that in my mind when i'm thinkingabout what we're dealing with with this electronic information .
so that we don't get into the position where we've lost everything because of security things, technology, all kinds of issues. >> and the security thing. that becomes even more of an issue with technology. as the library of congress for instance says storage modules, think amazon and what those warehouses look like. and for me, military base. the electronic library in terms of security and making those transitions as technology progresses, so there's a physical part. that's a major challenge to. >> exactly, and we're doing a lot of work with the industry about what the needs are around tools that in my case,
agencies need to create and maintaintheir records . the situation in the federal government is very much the situation that i remember from the university settings where every agency, i mean every faculty was able to go off and build their own system or buy something off the shelf. there was no interoperability, no enterprise approach to technology and that is clearly a description of the federal government . >> each department has its own way of dealing . >> so the state of information technology infrastructure is not where it should be. and that's another issue that's outlined in the reform plan. another point that is in support of the work that we are trying to do . >> what about the resources?
>> how is your budget? >> technology has actually been very supported in terms of the technology effort and bringing the library of congress a modern and very efficient and that's been very heartening coming in and seeing that and having that kind of support. and you know that you have to maintain it and also, the staffing that you need to have that digital strategy is going to be able to forward and they just hired a digital strategy manager and is going to do more with that because we have to. we have to look out and also look back at the same time so it's a fun time. a lot of it is getting a lot of people from the technology sector that are coming in to
the library to work and to help us try to solve some of these things and that brought some energy and some cross-fertilization that an exciting for us. >> that's something weshould put on our agenda for the three of us . >> technology. and we even had, tony hired someone from great britain, the bbc that is a technology digital guru and we had him come to the library of congress and talk to the staff about what the republic is doing and they're a little jealousof some of the stuff . they're doing a lot of cool things and we had him, so this is cross-fertilization between institutions, to types of library archives. it's been helpful for us to say hey, we have common problems so what can we do
together? we have a young professionals, we have the children. are you working on anything for seniors? >> things for seniors. >> oh, good. [laughter] >> yeah, we're planning a sleepover. [laughter] >> well, we have a wonderful partnership with aarp. they supported a book festival and other things. >> we get a lot of support from the also . >> i know you do but what can we do to engage seniors and as i mature, that becomes a particular interest. >> it's been interesting to watch the transcription project because there are a number of senior centers and
nursing homes, there's a nursing home in lynn massachusetts adopted us and is doingtranscription which i think is wonderful . >> in times of in terms of retired professors, people that want to engage and because you can do it remotely , that with limited mobility, there's a lot of seniors. this is a way to keep involved but we are going to have, about cooking too. >> macaroni. >> stay tuned. the library of congress is one of the world's largest collections of historical cookbooks. so imagine what programming you could do with that. >> it's amazing. >> not going to say anything because he will steal it. heprobably has the to whatever the mixer .
or something like that. >> before your time, we had a blockbuster exhibit called cooking governments role in food which told the story of testing preservatives and changes of the food groups. over time. did you know what used to be a food group? >> i still think it is. >> i40. >>. >> i have to talk about their shop, you just renovated and you have a new vision center and your shop is to die for. >> i know, i heard you were trying to steal my shop manager. >> i was scouting. we are renovating our shop. we are renovating our shop, i had to do a field trip and i did talk to the nice lady. she seems moderately happy.
>> and she gave a shop, she's ready for a newchallenge . >> we stole her from the zoo. >> i'm not saying a word. >> in her first year she introduced sox into the repertoire and hundred thousand dollars worth of socks in the first year. >> your shop, the really cool thing about the archive and the shop is that when you are in a section and they have sections that are just wonderful. about subjects in errors and world war ii and all of this. there are the terminals right there that connect you to the collection. and what else you can do so right when you're making decision about purchasing, you also are being tied to
the archives. and so that what really makes it not just a retail experience. those are great. but the tie in to the content of the archive is what we really got. >> so if you the national archives, there are two entrances. the constitution side is that if you want to come inand see the charge the, themuseum cited . the other side is for research . and they come in the door and collections of research and i've been trying to figure out ways to break that wall. to break a hole through that wall so that there's more interaction on both sides. so you can paste on the museum side of what's possible. genealogists is our biggest market. that's more. >> more genealogists than
anything else. genealogists and veterans and then everything after that. but some way to use the experience immediate experience from the museum on the other side inresearch. on the research side to get people more interested and excited about not genealogy but our record in general . learning more about our history and most important, learning about six and how the government works. the three branches of government and what their responsibilities are as american citizens. that's what i'm trying to figure out. >> we all are. and i think we have, i know we have time now for questions from the audience. >> and we we love to, and i'm not sure where the microphones are. there they are. and it's we really like to
hear from you. >> and bob, when you start with that microphone. >> you both for safeguarding the evidence of our history and especially for doing it with such style, grace and good humor. i especially like to thank you doctor hagan for being an awesome mentor and teaching me everything i know. building inclusive and caring library communities. i enjoyed incredible career because of your mentor ship and i would just like to take this as an opportunity to thank you from the bottom of my heart for everything you do. >> thank you, i appreciate. >> indeed. >>. >> hello.
a week or two ago i read in the newspaper about ripping off his papers? i was wondering either one or both of you wanted to wait in on that. >>. >> and the president, that's the title. >> will so one of the fascinating jobs of the national archives is to deal with transitions of administrations and there are about 4000 presidential appointees leading and write. at the same time. so one of our jobs was to ensure that those leaving are leaving behind their records and the other one is to ensure those. you are being trained about what the rules are. and that includes all the executive branch stop covered
by the federal records act and all the presidential records act stuff for those folks in the white house. and this is the same startup of any administration that there are fits and starts and the federal records me much more authority than the presidential records actdoes in terms of what i can do . i'm can do investigations and i have more heat on the federal side with the agencies on thepresidential records side area i provide guidance . and i can tell you that our communications with the white house are privileged. i'm not allowed to talk about them. and their communications with us are also privileged. i can tell you however any every time the paper and read one of these things, whether
it was this ministration, i learned about the state, secretary of state personal server, reading as much in the new york times, how i found out. so not just this administration, this administration ingeneral. every time something like that happens , we want launch a series of questions to verify what exactly is going on. >> and then we asked once we get resolution, we ask for permission to hostwhatever the response is . and if you go to the archive.gov website, check our page, you will see for each administration responses to questions that we have raised about just the kind of activity you were talking about. so i can't say anything more about this particularincident
, what i learned about it when you did. >> asked about the safeguarding of this technology, the type of technology weare using. my name is mike mark miller and i are not library, a trustee . and one of my adolescent he's evil, i siton the board of the library of virginia which may be officially the only library older than the library of congress . and the 50 state library unofficially, not officially. officially it's not. among the 50 state libraries, there's an enormous wealth of information and if we find that the federal government, library of congress, archives and all the federal agencies are having a hard time with both funding and a uniform method of algae, we also can understand those 50 state are
on their own to create their own system of technology where, so it poses a problem how do we find a way to take what you were working on a national level and encourage or require workforce or in something to get the state to operate on the same technological system so that eventually it can filter its way down. i live in leesburg virginia and i have easy access to the archives and the library of congress. that majority of the country can never really easily, they're going to go to their state, create a technological system that everybody can work with such that we don't the same time not trying to figure out some way that when the technology does change that we can migrate to a new system and they're not all stuck with 3 and a half inch floppy disks and zip drives and stuff that will never be of use in the future. oh how we can work on all that together to get the
state on board with the way you guys areworking to protect information digitally . >> for me, working with the council of state archivist. we meet on a regular basis and share practices but also the development work that we are doing is all open source tools so as we are meeting with industry to educate them about the issues around records management, those are the same issues that the state archivists are dealing with in their record-keeping and we've made a commitment to the state archivists that we will share all the tools, but the open source tools will be available for anyone who wants to use them . >> i had similar remarks with congress also with some of the other state organizations as well and i'm looking at tony to. there are a number of networking opportunities that
will allow us to share platforms. we are very involved in. >> hello. president trump uses twitter quite a bit. i was wondering how you were documenting his tweets for the future? >> you collect tweets? >> president obama for eight years tweeted, so we got a lot of experience with the previous administration on the collecting of tweets so we are capturing both streams. donald trump and potus and the deleted tweets. [applause] >> in terms of this technological capacity that you have to have, while you're doing the historic family challenges that we face.
>> and in response to the virginia question, we are working closely with other federal partners on cloud storage. so this is clearly the future for us and the present, frankly. >> hello. there's a video showing before this session indicated the library of congress acquires 12,000 items a day which i find to be an incrediblenumber . can you tell us where are all those things roughly? >> well, every working day library of congress selects approximately 12,000 items whether it be cereals, periodicals, photographs ,
film, monograph, all types of items. a vast majority of the items are available because of the copyright deposit system. and where you might have about 20,000 items coming through the copyright deposit system, the library has in their collection management department select materials from that as well as other things. so quiet and enterprise. >> you mentioned that genealogists are the largest audience of the national archives. how do you go about prioritizing whatyou work on digitizing ? >> weave crowd sourced.
we've asked the community what most important and we've got a hit list of the records that the public has told us are most important. we are heavily dependent on private funding to accomplish that and there's not any government funding for that kind of work. so very often it's matching up the right partner with the list of things that have been identified for digitization. we have, we've been very fortunate to have benefited from the support of an anonymous donor was very interested in world war i, world war ii film and photographs which has always been high on ourlist of things to do so that was a good match . but it's an ongoing process of finding the right donor and matching it with the priority list that we have.
and that list is somewhere on our website if you go to archive.gov somewhere, i can't tell you where but if you search you will find it. try digitization priorities. >> and the library of congress has a list of collections to be digitized. >> i guess my question is really around truth and history and a question i have is how are you capturing context and also how are you ensuring that our archives represent everyone's history instead of the history of just people who are in in power right now? >> would you care to elaborateon that one with context? >> i don't do context . >> in a different way. we mentioned don meacham.
a great historian. doris kearns goodwin who was here. her book about team of rivals. what the historians do is take the actual things as you know and they provide the context and the historical perspective in using all types of sources and so by making sure that the sources are there or collections and that's where a lot of curators and the librarians are saying this collection could be important to anyone that was going to be looking at filling the blank, the subject or this history or this culture and that's what a collection management curators are really tasked with doing.so they provide the raw material for those scholars to come in and we
stories together. >> .. created and scheduled for delivery to us, this issue of truth is incredibly important. and all the work that we do to follow up on what we see our potential violations of record laws goes exactly to that point. to ensure that we are, to the best of our ability making sure that people are creating, maintaining and transferring to us the records as they are created. not adjusted, not deleted, not
changed. that is our responsibility. >> and when you think about, you go to mount vernon. george washington's home. there is an exhibit there and it has martha washington and it shows you martha washington, that after george washington died, she took all the letters and burned them. because she did not want anyone. and there is no letter that survived between george and martha washington. because she did not want that personal part to be exposed. so that is an interesting thing when you look at context or look at historical figures and history. that there is that aspect as well. >> let me just give you two
examples of collections that i am personally proud of the fact that we have saved them. that these things have survived over time and that we have been in our custody. we have 377 treaties signed by the indian nations. they would easily have been a collection that could have been destroyed because of embarrassment or whatever. but these treaties are used today by tribal elders and tribal warriors to settle water rights claims, land claims. but they tell a horrible story of how our government treated native americans. things that were promised to them, things that were never delivered. there is that body of record. the other is all of the records around the japanese camps.
they tell a horrible story of how we treated german americans, japanese-americans, some chinese-americans in a way that is just inhuman. another set of records that have been preserved and maintained and should serve us as a lesson from our own history. >> hello. i have a question about the citizen archivist and the citizen historian programs. if there is a big need for volunteers in those programs, i'm wondering if the state library associations might be able to provide or mobilize some retarded librarians that could help with that. and of the texas library association has a roundtable of retarded librarians. it just seems that would be a good thing to draw upon. >> that is a great idea. >> thank you.
>> quite often people are participating in these programs and there really is not a great need. >> there is a need. >> i will go home and do something about it. >> thank you, we will follow up on it.>> great idea. [applause] >> hi, i am a history librarian at mississippi state. thanks for the shout out. my question is, one of our biggest problems is helping students and researchers access primary sources who do not have the resources to drive institutions all over the world and across the country. i was wondering if you all have ideas apart from digitization obviously, which requires tons of resources from institutions. if y'all have any ideas or anything about how we can help students and researchers access these resources.
>> digitizing is very helpful in terms of actual collections. but also, library of congress has primary resources. you actually have curriculums that connect you to what is digitized and you can connect to other sources as well. the smithsonian has put up a lot of educational as well. and archives. [laughter] so the, being able to help educators with it is not just enough to put it up there but to actually have the curriculum guide k-12 but also beyond. it is one way we are really working on that. and then, the 18 wheelers going into communities. okay, you're not going to do that? >> we talked about this,
project. >> you actually go in and have staff and people there that can also work with school groups and other people. >> we have something called -- which has thousands of scans of primary sources. and our educators created lesson plans. but more excitingly, lesson plans that teachers who are using the documents have created. so there is a community of teachers that works around this site and share information about best practices in the classroom. >> i am it? cool! hi. i'm a libertarian. i worked at and nine through 12 boarding school in connecticut. i spent a lot of time educating our students and teachers about use and bibliographies and try to make sure that they do all
of that stuff they are supposed to do.and i was sort of concerned when i heard about the possibility of the copyright office moving away and i was not sure if there was any news about if that was still going to happen or if everything was safe and wonderful and staying with the library of congress? because we do utilize resources at the library of congress for a lot of things we do. >> right now, the copyright office is still being administered by the library of congress and the movement on changing that is on hold, basically. waiting on congress. and so, in the meantime, what we are working on is modernizing the copyright, but a thumbs up, yes. there's a lot of work to be done there. really what happens, the copyright process needs to be modernized, easier for people
to register and to record and all of these things. when i say record, it means record their rights and transferring it all of that. especially in the digital age. we are really busy trying to do that. and we thank congress for support fiscally, to really work on the modernization efforts. where it lives, is really secondary to what it does and how it does it. and so that is what we are working on now. >> thank you, another thumbs up! [laughter] [applause] >> i am a-- i am from a public school. thank you for sharing and giving us enlightenment on the division and the actual responsibilities of both
entities. secondly, for making the library of congress and open and for all populations, opportunity for information. something shared a long time ago and i see it manifesting in your work there. i would also like to share for those that may be in virginia there is a source he called the media that you can tap right into the library of congress and archives in the smithsonian, alma platform. and so many other entities. to give you full access. i know virginia has it i do not know about their rights of privilege for other people but that is a resource. my question is, as elementary librarian in richmond, had to get my kids into the macaroni and cheese and the overnight stay? [laughter] >> we are working on it! [applause] >> we want to give them opportunity for exposure. >> if you go to the archives.gov website --
[laughter] you will find an announcement of the next one coming up. which is october 14, i believe. we do twice a year, october and february. it is open to 100 kids ages 12 years old and they have to have an adult with them.>> all right, we can do it. thank you. >> the pressure is on! i'm going to have to do that and maybe hot dogs. i think i will have to really -- we have to think about that. organic. [laughter] because thomas jefferson was a foodie. and had a garden. we are working on ours. but we are going to get that going.please, let us know and keep in touch. firstname.lastname@example.org. >> thank you. >> yes, i would like to know, has president trump mentioned where he might want to have his presidential library museum someday? >> that is a great question.
we get regular phone calls from around the country from press asking the same question. usually, press in florida. [laughter] and as far as i know, no decision has been made. but an indication, perhaps, when barbara bush passed, he announced that he planned to be buried in new jersey. at the golf course. so, if he plans to be buried at the site of his library, maybe that is an early indication. i don't know. >> i was going to ask about abraham lincoln. >> hello, david. i am from michigan. >> what do you do in michigan? >> ever a library board and i am also the executive director for president ford's foundation. i wanted to take this
opportunity publicly, to thank you for your unique relationship that the foundations have with the national archives and continuing the legacies of our presidents. i know you have a really working hard lately to try to bring the foundations in the national archives to a different level. i don't know if you want to talk about the unique relationship and your effort to continue the legacies of the president's. >> this is an interesting dynamic. we have a private foundation, the federal government and the family working together to preserve the legacy of the administration and the family. in these now, 14 sites across the country that are part of the national archives and so, there is an advisory group that was kind of dormant when i arrived and it was important to me as i was going around meeting my staff and meeting the folks in the foundation
that we develop a better working relationship so that we can share best practices and leverage the great work that is being done around the country in each of these institutions. and to get them to work together on not only my own directors but more productively as a group. we try to meet once a year, what's in washington and once at one of the sites to talk about most recently we've been talking about the reform plans, consolidation of classified information in washington rather than in the presidential libraries. some staff reductions in the presidential libraries. it is important for me as a communication tool. these are the most complex i think, of our relationships.
because it is a stewardship kind of responsibility getting a desperate group of folks, even within some of the families of desperate group of folks, getting them to work together with the federal government. oh my god, the federal government. and the private foundation. another thing that we spend a lot of time on. but it has been very ãi can say, thank you for the compliment. it has been very productive. >> and just before, when there is a present like lincoln, how do you deal with -- >> i don't. [laughter] >> okay. >> i have enough to worry about. >> the associations, abraham lincoln associations be just like ulysses s grant. >> lincoln is a good example, he is everywhere. we have lincoln, you have
lincoln. the lincoln library has lincoln. >> i think the lady in the green. >> hi, i have a question about staff development as you continue to shift your priorities towards digitization. how would your priorities and staff development -- both organisms have huge staff. just curious to hear your thoughts on priorities and what you will look for and staff in the future. >> actually, the library of congress has to have staff development and training on the technology but also archival methods and conservation and preservation. so that is not going to stop. it is the balance between that, that is going on at the same time. that is a big part of it. having the technology. also, retrofitting some staff member skills.
that started out helping them with the technology skills. and i know yours was very -- >> how many staff? >> 3200 approximately. >> really? >> three buildings, the packard center, all of that. okay, here we go. [laughter] >> we won't go there. >> a lot. >> i know, i heard. [laughter] it is clear that the set of competencies we are looking for a shifting. so in terms of working with our own staff to develop and help them develop the kinds of skills that they need to be successful in the digital environment and also recruiting folks who are coming in with the skills. and that is a process that is been going on for 10 years. long before i got there but
certainly, the situation at the new york public and even before that, when i was in my time at duke, it was the same kind of recognizing that this is the future. building to that, our strategic plan and the national archive strategic plan, the most important goal to me is the fourth goal, which is build our futures through our staff. a commitment from the top to ensure that we are most importantly, training and retraining our own staff as well as recruiting new folks who are bringing in that kind of skill. >> yes, just a quick personal note. i went to school and worked in d.c. in the 80s and some of my most inspired moments took place during research at lc and
the national archives. >> great. >> memories that will never go away. my question is, i know the national archives has a program by using wikipedia to get true history, truthful history out to the public. i wondered if you talk about that a little. and then, i will put dr. hayden on the spot and find out if lc will start doing the same. >> i been a huge fan of wikipedia since my time at duke when i discovered an entry someone had done an entry on me. [laughter] >> was it correct? >> it was over the top. it was embarrassingly over the top. and i couldn't figure out how you find out who writes or who did it. and i was embarrassed people would think i wrote this thing. [laughter] then i watched the editorial process. the people commenting and how it got changed. and i was fascinated with the whole thing. so when i went to the new york public library, i started to recognize the value of
booktv recently visited capitol hill to ask members of congress what they read in the summer. >> right now i'm reading courage and consequence. written by carl -- and i'm only about halfway through. right now. but it is focus on sort of the political strategies of how that were used to propel george bush in a position where he could run for governor and when. a race that was determined to be not winnable but of course, they proved that wrong. then after that, the political strategy and moving him from the governors office in texas
to a candidate for eventually, of course, becoming president of the united states. starts out with a description are of his personal life and how he became involved in politics and some of his ups and downs. beginning of his career.i find that very fascinating. i would like to read books that are factual. so i am not a fiction reader. i like to read about history and about real people and real events. >> you talk a little bit about what you read? >> i am a blinking fan. i really like the idea of bringing those that are maybe not the most friendly around you. mr. lincoln is famous for bringing some of his enemies into his cabinet. it is a fascinating story on how he was able to run a country and the courage it took
to move through the civil war and then also another favorite of mine is teddy roosevelt. and so this is one example of one of the teddy roosevelt books that i have read. there has been many. this one is special because i happen to visit with teddy roosevelt the fourth. he was in my office and autographed this book of his ancestors so he, like his ancestors, president roosevelt, he is very interested and involved in the environment. it is also, as you meet, as i met him and knew about teddy roosevelt, and the passion he had for the environment it's real interesting to see how it is passed down from generation to generation. it was a pleasure to meet with teddy roosevelt the fourth.
>> you have authored a book. and proceeds go to charity. >> yes. i think this book came out 2004. i was a homicide detective in the early 80s and became a lead detective on a case called the green river serial murder case. over a 19 year span, i'm going to call him, the devil of a human being. a monster of a human being. took the lives of some of between 60 and 70 people. he pled guilty when we finally caught him through dna and microscopic paint evidence. he pled guilty to 49 murders. we close 51 cases. there were a couple of cases we did not have all the evidence we needed to charge him with it. but we knew he had committed those so we close 51 murder cases.
this book describes in the beginning, a little bit of my childhood. a little bit of my early life and the struggles that i had growing up. i had run away and so some of the struggles are described in the book. but mostly focused on the investigation of the murders and the day-to-day activity and the task force. the team that was involved in this over the years. a tremendous, tremendously talented, committed people from detectives to volunteers, a scientist, civilian employees who entered data, this is before the era of computers. i am very proud to say that this book, all the proceeds go to the pediatric intern care
center. they are known for their ability to take in drug addicted babies and put them through treatment, withdrawal from the drugs and get them into foster homes or adoptive homes were back with their biological parents. two of my grandchildren are from the pediatric intern care center. they were adopted by my daughter tabitha and her husband ken. there a year apart. they are now 16 and 15 and adjust doing awesome. they do an awesome job. all the proceeds go to pick. and you know, special acknowledgment to the families of the victims who lost their daughters and also special
thanks and recognition to all of those detectives and the entire team that stayed with this case for so long to catch the monster that did this. >> booktv wants to know what you are reading. send us your summer reading list @booktv on twitter or facebook. booktv, television for serious readers. [inaudible conversations] >> i don't have time for this out to finish a project. >> the second notice, stop