tv Sheila Tate Lady in Red CSPAN August 9, 2018 2:43am-3:45am EDT
the uniform of the country please stand to join to pledge to the flag and i ask dreaming standing for a moment of time in honor of our first lady barbara bush. i pledge allegiance to the fly of united states of america. and to the republic for which it can one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you. please be seated. thanks for coming out tonight to bear with us you all lived in southern california so in addition to our honored guests this evening sheila tate we have a few special guests i
want to point out first her roommate is with us tonight. [laughter] [applause] we also have former colleague and her former colleague of the white house from different eras she was very close colleagues with barbara as the assistant press secretary and was our backup. [laughter] one of laura bush's press secretary is with us tonight. [applause] and also we are thrilled to have among the warmer reagan-bush quality those that served in various positions around the reagan white house and bush cabinet and they are thrilled that you have all joined us tonight 17 hours
speaker this evening has been a part of the reagan family early '80s and served as press secretary to first lady nancy reagan 81 through 85 after leaving the white house he stayed in public relation and started her own firm with another white house secretary jody powell on the other side of the aisle. [laughter] in 1988 she went back to being a press secretary this time to then vice president george hw bush during campaign for the presidency and as president elect during the transition. 1999 she was voted one of the most powerful women in public relations in the one of the 100 most powerful women in washington by washingtonian magazine not only the reagan press secretary but a very dear friend. ladies and gentlemen it is my
pleasure to welcome sheila tate to our stage this evening. [applause] >> lordy lordy. [laughter] i did bring my back. i read the book i finished it last weekend on a flight from washington d.c. it was fun and memorable with a lot of personal stories that i remember backstage behind the scenes information that i hadn't known about but all of it was centered toward publication so i'm wondering if you can tell us first how
do you become a press secretary to the first lady of the united states? and give us your first impression of nancy reagan. >> i carefully planned the whole thing. [laughter] i was working at the time my boss was bob gray well-known in republican circles he had taken a leave to go to the campaign as the communications director and he called me one day mid-december and said i need your resume and i need it right away there is a white house job that i thank you would qualify for. i just want to put your name in. i did robo calling for john conley remember he had one delegate? left. [laughter]
but i sent him the resume and he called me back and he said be at blair house at 6:00 o'clock p.m. so i scrambled to make myself presentable and get to blair house and starting to figure out it would be nancy reagan. i didn't think it was ronald reagan because he already on brady monk -- jim brady's for we got there and i would sooner i had to put my hands like this because they were shaking. i never met a first for. she was very kind she asked me a few questions that mainly she wanted to talk about what she was interested in doing and kept telling me how concerned she was about youth drug abuse i remember thinking
that what are your qualifications? from the pr standpoint i wasn't sure that would be a viable option that i forgot about how powerful a person the platform the first lady has. so the next day i got a call a set me up with a series of meeting with my personal hero jim brady i said on your girl and i want the job. [laughter] he said i'm voting for you. then she called and offered me the job a few hours later that was a friday night and on saturday night i was awakened by my phone ring it was the washington post because somebody had leaked the story
that they would not get out until monday that was my introduction into the life of a press secretary. >> we will get into that little bit but first it has been that week in country we are sensitive to that here at the presidential library. i wonder if you have been many white houses overlapping many first lady could you give us i into the relationship between these two ladies i am sure that question will come up or share a story or two of mrs. bush as a tribute. >> i came to understand after i left the white house mrs. bush and mrs. reagan were not terribly close. but i have to honestly tell
you i had no sense of that while i work there. you have to know that nancy reagan she'd treat staff professionally and does not gossip. i had no idea the first idea i honestly had one the first plane trip i took with george hw trip -- bush on the plane he said right in the limo with me. he said what is the problem between nancy and my wife? i said what you talking about he said they don't get along and i said honestly i have never thought that i never knew that in the subject never came up again. but the flesh called me and told me how thrilled he was i
was working for and then she gave me the list of the best instruction which i cherish the most important one every time you go to a hotel gather up all the shampoos and soaps. [laughter] put them in a bag and taken to her she took all those to a homeless shelter on her own but he figured she had bagged the bag that mom -- this big but i that she was extraordinary i found her very funny but she could not tolerate being singled out and praise. one time princeton the day before the election i said to george bush you know you're going to win? at minutes. he said no i don't know that he started to walk away and he
said but i will tell you something if i do this country will follow love with barbara bush and he was right. and with that pearl necklace with the poster that is up on the highways that is anything she is an extraordinary woman the staff was afraid of her because she said what she thought and i know barbara and i talked to her staff that mrs. bush would bring me pictures and subsequent i did and i say looks like you sat and read a book with someone that is fine and you have to have children. you don't need a man with the beard since you would have another picture sitting like a
low-level staff office with all this junk around and i said a picture is supposed to reinforce your message and this is very confusing because there is all this stuff in the room i don't know why you are there. and they got better at that but that is one of the things i was surprised with all the vice presidential here have not heard probably because she didn't care about things like indicating everybody would agree one of the hardest job in the country has got to be the first lady of the suppose it could be argued that press secretary is no walk in the park to take us through the first month of the
administration and your time with her to tell us about the evolution of nancy reagan as first lady with the press and where you fit into that only tidbit on the white house china and designer gowns? [laughter] then the famous grid iron dinne dinner. >> we will be here a while. >> county? >> that was a fascinating experience really it has become a margin with such an extraordinary experience for everybody. we spent the better part of a year this stepping side stepping meeting that there was too much attention being paid to refurbishing the white house or redecorating the
raised $1 million to do that from five we did need new china and china by the way has been ordered in the white house on average every 15 years i know everything about this china left the truth white house always politely say over the years it is lost but what happens it is lost in someone's pocket so the white house china cannot be replicated they break the mold is insanely so you really don't have a choice after a period of time that you bring in a new set of china or begin to mix and match office.
so again the backdrop of the recession that was the problem and the press were not particularly friendly because story had been circulating she had wished the carders would move out early i'm sure if she said anything it would have left them more time to do something with that place that she didn't actually them she said she never said anything like that. i don't know but that was just i got there. my much later business partner said the one thing that we really dislike is the way you
talked about the residency made made it sound like we left chicken bone and i thought that was a pretty good way to handle that. [laughter] though they start to do these popularity polls and she was worried about it you really wanted to get this stuff done and right that she was willing to take the heat for that but then she was ready to turn the page and that is when we really our staff finally gave into her insistence of working on drug abuse and at the same time the march 2 annual grid iron dinner with coming up and reduce the chances of nancy keeping unscathed 129.
so we had a conversation with helen thomas who was very active with the gridiron and she brought over presence of the fun and agreed she would be amenable to a little song and dance routine they already how -- had the lyrics of the song that they were going to think about her and they gave him the copy of what they thought of how she should respond and the response was the back of the hand to the press we brought in an incredible speech writer and we knew that she had to make fun of herself in this researching she said please if
we have to keep it a secret because they don't president to know about it i don't want ronnie to know about it because if i can focus that i can't-i will be so nervous so that was for thinking. there is a great story in the book that i was told he was in charge of the clothes behind stage and her children if you've seen the picture it is incredible. >> we actually have the outfit. >> that's right. >> you cannot observe and enjoy i know you will once the pieces of it and the feather blowup.
and the feather blowup. bo abbott he was still a little nervous so at one point he said i really had to go to the room so he is into the men's room all the urinals are busy so he runs into a stall and said i forgot that i was wearing white cayenne tales so the rest of the evening i had white high and wet tales. [laughter] there are so many stories like that people shared with me i did get some fabulous stories about nancy and reese gorbachev. >> the now you should share one little tidbit about the cold) ladies you will appreciate.
>> normally waivers president and the spouse go out to the south lawn with a diplomatic reception and await the arrival of the state visitors and the gorbachev were coming and it was so cold that they basically moved everyone who was part of the welcoming ceremony indoors into the reception you know the room it is as big as this stage maybe a little bigger so nancy notices immediately that her pantyhose had collapsed and he noticed and he watched it happen nobody else thought that she went over and check
her by the arm and said come with me and took her around the corner to the ladies and everything was fixed and nobody was the wiser that he felt she had done for the u.s. soviet relations than anyone else ever could have but still she was very committed marxist and she tended to lecture in nancy did not like to be lectured. they didn't get along for a long time but then at the end president reagan term they all met in new york with incoming president bush and nancy said she was completely changed and friendly and invited them all to visit them in russia so
they all went and had a wonderful time. >> one of the stories that i love in the book that we have spoken about a lot the story of the two young korean children who both give credit to nancy reagan to save their life we have a gentleman here this evening was intimately involved in the story from gift of life. [applause] so i'm hoping that you can give us some more information to bring that story to life. >> unless you are a surgeon how many people get a chance to save someone's life? answer reagan not only help to save those two children there is another child that she save
that i talked to in the course of writing some of the most moving moments i had in writing it turned out maybe robert can shed light on this but it out these beautiful children seven and four unrelated but one had a certain heart defect and they had not walk more than a few steps without turning blue they would have to squat down to pre-and get their color back to take a few more steps. just as we were leaving for south korea we got a special request asking through the bathroom for anything break into the center meeting the
families there was a way she cannot get them back to the united states for the surgery they didn't have the ability of the time in korea. so as the staff normally done except the press secretary. [laughter] no no no if you do it for one you do it for everybody and she said no. one added time. i want to do we brought these two children back on air force one and i can still fight away -- he, by the way, the little boy that on the lap of a porter pretending to type on his computer the whole way back. everybody loved the kids he took them up to the hospital
on long island where the surgery was performed and unbeknownst to the children were adopted by american by an american family they became brother and sister and live in arizona then moved to the pacific northwest is american in front -- brett halverson somehow he learned about i guess he had seen the picture of him as the baby so when he really realize she had saved his life -- he wrote her a note telling her how grateful and so she invited him here tonight tony snow was speaking here in then he went to seoul
korea where he worked for gift of life international a fabulous organization started and brings children from other undevelope undeveloped -- underdeveloped countries to seoul korea for the surgery to be performed there. we did a face time a half hour early one saturday morning talking and i just had a note not long ago he is engaged to be married. i just sent him this book is not that big. do you know what it cost to send a book to korea? u.s. postal service $220 ps post office is only 70 so he
got a $70 dollars book. [laughter] but worth every bit. so that is the thing that can transform somebody they have the ability to save somebody's life it changes them and it really does anything is changed greatly she followed up and went to see them at the hospital and they give her christmas present it was an amazing. for all of us. >> march 91 -- 1981 that had an impact on this country on ronald and he reagan today that john b junior attempted to fascinate the president's
reagan was not with him at the she was with sheila at her own motion motio motion -- lunch and so can you tell her side of it? >> we were in georgetown had a lunch in her honor. toward the end of the lunch she signaled she was ready to go so she made her pleasantries and we left. by the way we made her look and recognize the time she was leaving was almost exactly the time to the minute he was shot. we were five minutes from the white house i go to my office she goes to the residence and
as i walk in nobody is in the office and the phone is ringing which is very unusual and it is a reporter from the washington star said capitol police are reporting their wives shot at the washington hilton do you know anything about it? i said no and dropped the phone and ran all the back to the residence she was running display we went to the hospital the secret service did not want her to because nobody knew what was going on and they like safety to know what is going on before they walk into the situation i think the agent that we will just wait and she said forget it i will walk. he needs me.
that is exactly what she said we did not even know until we got there. . . . . i went back downstairs and started talking to the nurses. i said i need a list of where anyone who was injured -- who wart part of the party, i need to know where they are, what hospital. and she gave me a list, and i said, well, wait, where is james brady? she said, he died. and i walked about ten feet before i found out that it
wasn't true, but that was the most horrible three minutes of my life. and he was actually in surgery. at that same hospital as we were speaking. but that -- there was a false news report he had died, and his poor daughter, who was a college student in colorado, got in -- got on an airplane after driving from greely, colorado to denver and she heard on the radio her father was dead. she flew all the way to washington believing her father was dead. and the next day, i saw him, and if my head is a normal head size, this head was this big. shot right therement. it was horrible, unbelieve by horrible, and nancy was so quiet the whole time, and that same
next day, i was sitting in the room adjacent to the president's room, with her and ron and patty, and they were writing out statements they wanted to make, and every -- you'd hear this -- just constant smacking sound, and nancy said do you hear had? i said, yes, i she said they're pounding his back to keep him from getting an infection. she would just wince every time she heard that sound. i can still hear that sound when i think but it. she took -- i mean, she -- she started figuring out how to make him better and as soon as he was allowed to walk, she had him up -- still had the syringe hanging off of his arm and
everything, and she would walk him down the hall and they would pretend to be dancing, and he brought -- she brought in every card that anyone sent, and they all the walls were filled with cards, and pictures from kids who sent pictures in to make him happy. but it was so traumatic for her, i think, that -- well, she lost ten pounds. didn't have ten pounds. but she -- >> did it change the way she operated at the white house do you think? >> i never knew it changed the way she operated. i knew she was terrified every time the president left the white house, and because she felt like that was the only really safe place, and i think as a result of that, there was something you may have read about called astrology entered
the picture, made her feel better that she had some assurance that if he did this on this day it would be safer. >> did it change her security at install. >> no. her security -- funny. some people resent security. nancy reagan embraced it. her detail was so loyal to her and so good, but there's a great story in the book, i think, about her lead a littles, a guy named george, never talked to anybody but wanted to talk to me about her, and he actually sent me copies of the notes they'd exchange. the day at the hospital, he win into the chapel and he handed her handkerchief, and he said to her, there's nothing we can do now but pray.
and she wrote him a note back when she sent back the laundered handkerchief, and he -- so he shared that with me and i put that in the book as well. after -- normally the secret service agents rotate because they don't want them to become complacent in their assignment, and too comfortable with it. so george was her lead agent for six years, and one day he told he had to go into the oval office to see john simpson, the head of the secret service and the president. he guess in and they tell him that the secret service is transferring him off of nancy's detail, but he, george, is the one who has to tell her. even ahead of the secret service was afraid to tell nancy, he was
taking her favorite agent away. >> that happened until the day she die, people trespass ferred in and out, and her final agent, lead agent, she hawed him do it in blood, a promise from the secret service director that her agent would stay with her until she died. and it actually happened but it was -- that was the worst day in everyone's life, when the secret service agent, not just her lead but anybody on her detail has to transfer out. those were the rules. >> ing we go to questions from the audience. but i have one little fun stir want sheila to tell. had never heard it before. before a trip, of course, before first lady or president goes out, a group goes out in advance, and sheila didn't do that often but once in a while she was out and about, and she ended up in las vegas. you know where i'm headed here. and the story was very funny, so
i thought maybe you could del that and then we'll go to questions in the audience. >> well, let's see. as you'll know the reagans were very good friends with frank sinatra. frank sinatra had his own private, permanent apartment at the sands hotel. and nancy was going out there to speak to the national pta. and so -- >> a wholesome group in las vegas. >> right. and this is on drug abuse, and so she -- actually, ann is the first one -- did some good out with you, barbara? well, she -- >> an is the project he director. >> in charge of the drug busey vents and things. and she gets out there she finds
out that the -- i know -- i know. well, ann find out that the sands wants to bring in a slot machine. they thought she would like to privately play a slot machine. >> in mrs. reagan's suite. when she there is so she can play slots. >> yeah. the whole detail is in the book. but there are a lot of stories where friends create -- some of the reagan friended create problem just by trying to be overly solicitous and helpful. >> not so helpful. >> my favorite was ray stark,
the famous producer of "annie" and a string of broadway shows and he decided -- he invited her and she said she'd love to come to the opening, and her intention was to come in and sit down and watch the play. and he decided he wanted her to come from the basement in an elevator that would rise up to the main floor on. >> on the stage. >> on the stage the doors would open and all this gray smoke and steam would come out and she would come through that mist and he said, no, no, i think you first called me hysterical. so i told ray stark we weren't doing it and he just went out of his mind, and i'm sure he tried to get us all fired, but she was happy with the way it turned
out. >> she didn't come out of the statement. >> no. >> we'll take some questions. our only request is that if you have a question, raise your hand. we have team members with microphones and question ask that you have the microphone in your hand first because we're live streaming and if you don't happen the microphone the people at home cannot hear your questions. who has questions. right here. >> i was where going to ask you about the title of your book,ade in red, which i love, and then i noticed you mentioned it was your hairdresser. >> that's right. >> i'd like to know more about that. >> i live in charlottesville, a small town and aberdeen knows scarve everybody knows everybody's business, and the best place to find out everything is to go to your hairdresser, and you hear everything. so i was sitting in the chair, and the editor hat said we have to come up with a name.
and so kimberly said, well, where are you in the name for this snook what's the title? i said i don't know. supposed to come up with a tile. she said i -- title. she said, "the lady in red" so i sent an e-mail to the editor and she said i just met with our staff, we like it, we're clipping off" the "and the tight is" lady in red" so before i even had my hair dried, we had the title of the book. and she is so excited to have had a part in this. >> of course, the portrait is the official portrait of nancy reagan so that could be more appropriate -- couldn't be more appropriate. who else has question -- >> also, just because i am visually impaired, it's important -- this was important to me -- but the separate contract was issued and this book is now also available in
large type, which the pictures couldn't be in the book but the large type book is there for anyone who needs it. so i'm thrilled with that. >> any other questions out here? right here. in the back row, right there. >> i was wondering if you could talk but about the love between the two of them. it seems like she always had this glaze when she looked toward the president. the letters, things that were said. this leasted for a long time. >> the gaze was the thing that reporters loved to make fun of her, and she said she thought it was -- if someone was speaking, she was always taught it was polite to look at them when they spoke, and she said she felt
that way about anyone speaking. but she wouldn't change just because the press thought it was stupid. but it was true -- a really deep and abiding love affair between the two of them. i remember the day -- the first day he was able to -- he was cleared by his doctors to start working half a day. after the shooting. andly and we were going somewhere and he started out the door and he came running down the hole and she says, slow down he said i just can't help it. it's my boyish exuberant and they laughed. they were just amazing. we saul they'd that's the kinds of many everybody should have.
>> right here. >> when i met mrs. reagan i was shaking, and had an impression -- >> this mr. dono from gift of life. >> and had this impression that i was going to meet the wicked witch of the north. and shortly after everybody had left the room, she was on the floor with these kids, tickling them, kissing them. they loved her and she loved them, and i was absolutely dumb-founded. me question is -- and obviously a fabulous person, my experience as brief as it was, was confirmed by your book, i think that's fabulous that you told that story. my question is, why do we treat our leaders, who are, in this case, really sensational people,
good, kind, compassionate people so badly? what is it about us that we have to go out and destroy them or make everything they look -- and can we do anything about it? >> well, no. i mean, it goes back to the early days of the founding of the country. mary todd lincoln, mar martha washington, were all credit criticizedthe nasty stiff with hamilton and jefferson. we have a long history of it. but -- we have a two-party system, and they get all riled up and good after each other, and there's -- you know but in the end somebody like nancy reagan comes along and she gets through it. she really -- she turned already
image around and did it for her husband. criticism of her went from their -- like that. and people started to recognize that she was a woman of substance. every presidency is different, and -- but there's always controversy. to put it politely. >> so good to see you. >> so good to see you, too. >> i bought the book tonight i have not had a chance to read it. some of this may be in the book but in case it's not, i want you to talk bit her relationship with the white house resident staffment the reason that comes to mine is because when i worked for laura, the one time i got to meet nancy, the only time i ever met her, is when nancy came back
to white house and i just -- >> laura had the party? >> yes. i have this vivid memory of the white house staff being practically giddy because they were going to get a chance to see her and shake hands with her, give her a hug or whatever. at that point it had been a number of years since she has back. we talk but the resident staff who transcend administrations. >> the white house couldn't run without the resident staffers. wonderful people. some of them served 50 years, and just incredible people. i think almost every first lady comes to really depend on the resident staff, and she was no exception. and the -- i had the experience not just the resident staff but the cabin stewards on air force
one, they adored her, and i got some cute stories from them about the reagans, and in fact, they were invited to -- i guess the dedication of the library. >> opening of the library. she insist upon it. i have some fellow staff members in here, for days we had to go down the list and call the white house, where was anita and all of these people, including these people who had work there for 50 years, and he hardest part was telling her, ma'am, actually some of them have to stay because there's a new resident at the white house. we can't have them all out at the same time. that would be a little difficult. >> they were thrilled, the air force one stewards were thrilled, they told me. howie franklin, real character, and he -- charlie palmer --
>> came for the opening of air force one. >> yes. that time that done the thing was impressed the most got to set next to charlton heston, and nancy walked back to find charlie and had tears in her eyes when she saw him so excited to see him. i think -- it's very unusual for a presidential couple not to feel that way about the residential staff and the people that make their lives lives so h easier. >> leslie has question. >> i had a question. the press onseem to not really understand mrs. reagan but seemed the had a special relationship with mike wallace. they always seemed to have a real warm there. >> that goes back to -- mike wallace was a radio -- had a radio program in chicago, and
when edie married loyal space moved to chicago, -- loyal space i davis and moved to chicago -- nancy's mother -- gave up her acting career and brought nancy to chicago. she would go sit down and talk to mike wallace on the radio, and mike loved her. edie has -- there's some really great stories about edie. edie was -- nancy was not -- it's a family group here. >> yes, like edie. edie was -- edie like to tell jokes. some of them a little bit inappropriate. anyway, she is hilariously funny, and mike wallace loved her. so when mike wallace, years later, found out that governor reagan had married edie's daughter, he was all excited
about that. and so then the next step was when the reagans went to the white house, mike called chris wallace, who was just a nuby nuby and they introduced nancy and chris but mike wallace could do no harm, and when she was doing -- i think a six six sucks -- a "60 minutes" piece with him and i could hardly bring. i know he can go in for the kill. >> a newsman. and its in for most. >> yes, and chris is exactly the same way. but they -- they sometimes got mad at each other, but they always ended up being friends again. >> sheila, one thing we talked about and others have say it,
too that whose who were privileged enough to work with her and for her over the years, came to in the real nancy reagan, and the white house staff, they loved her to death, and we loved her to death, and now there may be days we weren't as fond of her as other days. but we did love her. can you tell us as we finish up here, what is it you think about her that sort of caused this constant misunderstanding, and tell us what your favorite part of nancy reagan was. >> what do you mean by misunderstanding -- >> why didded the press not understand it? why did the general public not see what he saw. >> the press wanted her to be pro abortion and they wanted lower to support the equal rights amendment, and she said i'm for equal right for women.
just believe it needs to be an amendment to the constitution. and -- but unless -- unless you held those positions, they were antagonist stick toward you in general. not completely but in general. they weren't predisposed to really like you. so, that -- you had to break through that over time and i think she did. she knew she didn't want to make a misstep. didn't want to say anything that would embarrass her husband or create a problem so she was always as careful as could be and that ends up with you tending to keep yourself to yourself. >> what was the other -- >> what do -- what is it about her that people should know. >> i can tell -- >> the real nancy reagan.
>> what was interesting for a person who never had a staff until the white house, she was -- the first thing she said to me was, i will always talk your calls. for a press secretary that's like geld. because that means the press knows they can get an answer if they call me. that i will have talked to her and i will be able to tell them what they need. and that was important over a period of time. but she was always true to her word there were days where i might have called her ten times. when something was breaking. she said i don't want to be surprised. want to talk about if before you respond if you don't know how i feel. and she -- i don't know. the day i left, she said, from now on -- i calls called her mrs. reagan -- she said from
now on i want you to tell me nancy, and she started -- well in 1998 my husband died, had a heart attack and dropped dead, and she called -- her father had told her that grieving people need to cry, and that you should help your friends cry. she called me once a week, made me get on the phone with her, and as i say i was trying to bill by the hour with my company and we would have an hour-long cryfest. that was the kind of friend she became, and we went from a professional relationship to a personal friendship that -- i mean you cannot have a better friend than nancy reagan. that's the truth. >> she was famous for keeping secret. >> yes, if you told her something in confidence it never, ever went anywhere else. you could take that to the bank. she was amazing person.
>> well, i am thrilled that all of you came. thank you, sheila, for sharing all this. >> i was late. >> so many fun stories, really insights into the white house, the reagan white house, nancy reagan, ronald reagan, a lot goes on behind the scenes, the press secretary, probably a little bit different than it is today, we have a lid on our press. we didn't have tweets going out in the middle of the night. we didn't have social media. but we had a great deal of respect -- . >> we didn't even have cellphones. >> we did not. we carried pagers and they went off 24/7 but we knew when we left the white house, at the end 0 of the day, you probably weren't going to hear back from someone until the next morning, unless there was an emergency, of course. it was pagers. that pager was nasty. never so happy as to get rid of that pager.
>> must have weighed ten pounds and. >> and the radio, we literally called them bricks and they were that heavy but the only way to communicate with each other. it was different time back then and i don't -- i suppose we had fake news, didn't have fake love in our white house. and so i thank all of you for coming. i hope you'll come back for the next event in a couple of weeks. sheila has agreed to autograph her book. if you don't have a copy, you can get one here before you get into the line, she'll take questionses so get them ready. also brought a few things that we -- some papers that she brought, some sketches, some fun things, we'll have them there. you can ask her questions, talk about them and we'll see you all in the museum store in a few minutes. thank you all for coming. [applause]