tv Janet Dewart Bell Lighting the Fires of Freedom CSPAN August 15, 2018 9:14pm-10:20pm EDT
from baltimore maryland. >> good evening and welcome to the writer's life series. im vivian fisher vivian fisher, manager of this beautiful african-american department. it is my pleasure and honor to introduce the guest speaker, doctor janet dewart bell is a communication strategist and management consultant with a multimedia background, as well as experience in policy advocacy, strategic planning, funding development, media training and education. she is a social justice activist, executive coach and
motivational speaker. among her many accomplishments are outstanding individual achievement at w. cbs tv affiliate in washington, d.c. and programming for national public radio. she was the chairperson of the district of columbia commission for women and represented the district as an international conference of women in nairobi kenya. she established a lecture series on race in american society at the new york university school of law. now in its 23rd year and i just want to say that we are very grateful for the service of her husband gave in terms of being a scholar and a civil rights activist. along with other donors she helped establish in 2012, derek bell fund for excellence at the university of pittsburgh school of law.
professor to honor his honor and legacy, she's also end out the scholarship of murdered college where she earned her masters degree. she's master's degree. she is also the founding president of lead intergenerational solutions inc., a nonprofit dedicated to developing leadership as for social change agents. she serves on the board of teaching matters, cancer care in , the southern system for human rights and women's media center. and she's an ordained elder serving at the presbyterian of brooklyn and inclusive christian community where all are welcome. please join me in welcoming janet dewart bell to the baltimore library. [applause]
>> thank you so much for that very kind introduction. it's so wonderful to be here. i came to this library a couple times with my late husband, derek bell, and i have fond memories. it is a pleasure and honor to be invited here. ♪ ain't got to let nobody turn me around ♪ turn me around, turn me around ♪ ain't going to let nobody turn me around ♪ i'm going to keep on walking, keep on talking ♪ marching up to freedom land. >> during the civil rights movement, african americans led the fight to free this country from the vestiges of slavery and
jim crow. african-american women played significant roles at all levels of the civil rights movement, yet often they remained invisible to the larger public. while some african-american women lead causes and organizations such as though the height of delta sigma and the national council of negro women, others did not have titles or official roles. they did not stand on ceremony. they simply did the work that needed to be done without expectation of personal gain. often unnamed and unappreciated. african-american women helped to construct the architecture for change. women such as the crusading anti-lynching journalist ida b. wells barnett and rosa parks would also activists.
they tried to protect black women from the white southern tradition that came from a feudal tradition that literally means the right of the lord. and the antebellum mansion grove south that meant black women's bodies and lives to matter. white men abused and raped black women at will and without punishment. african-american women leaders and activists addressed the most important and volatile issues of their time, rape, segregation, lynching, education, economic justice. people who lived and worked in the south, in the heat of the civil rights cauldron were clearly the heart and soul of the movement. their heroic actions often putting themselves and their
families in harms way were without equal. as fervent leaders come african-american women were rooted in their desired first to serve their communities rather than gaining power for themselves. they were not served well. i would like to tell you a little bit about my personal story. my mother was born in rural arkansas in a place that is so small you cannot even find it on a map. 100 miles away from little rock arkansas. she couldn't go to high school because school for black children ended at age grade into the nearest high school" hundred miles away in little rock. her two older sisters were able to go to high school, so my mother never had formal education, but she was self educated and i always say she was the smartest person i ever
knew. one of the things she did in the civil rights movement is she bought me a car to do voter registration and things in the south. a car that was better than anything she's ever owned. now this was a major sacrifice because my mother worked as a maid in hotels and motels in pennsylvania where i was born where she met my father. my father was born in rural georgia. he was born outside of georgia. last week i spoke in atlanta and i said some peoples would've kind of heard that i said he was born outside of griffin georgia in 1898, and he was taken out of school as all the black children were for agricultural needs, cotton picking what have you. my father technically went to the third grade, but he was functionally illiterate. so i say of course i would
become an educator and communication specialist because it meant so much to my parents that i would do that. this is my mother. isn't she gorgeous? this is my grandmother mcknight. all of 4-foot 8 inches tall, and she lived on a farm in arkansas into 4 feet 8 inches less than 100 pounds, she could drag a 100-pound bag of cotton caution through the field in 120-degree heat. i always say that's the kind of legacy i have to live up to every day. my grandmother, fierce. and in the country you would
have your shotguns and so every week the young insurance men, all white, usually young would come by and collect the premiums. one day a young man came and apparently didn't get the memo that you do not miss with sephonia's daughters. he came in and fondled one of her daughters, my aunt, in front of my grandmother. welcome to my grandmother, 4 feet 8 inches, under 100 pounds walks over to the gun rack, picks up a shotgun and shoots it and missed this young man's ear intentionally because she was a sharpshooter as was my mother and as was i., just about an inch from his ear. totally ridiculous and stupid he was not, so he left. my grandparents sent their daughters away because they
thought surely they would be lynched, but they refused to succumb as my parents would say do not take well to anybody. they would rather die than to be slaves or anything less than first-class human beings and citizens. fabulous. so, i should say this, about a week went by. no one came, nothing happened. another week went by and nothing happened. eventually another young white insurance man came by and said sephonia, as if nothing had happened. my grandmother lived to be in her 80s. this is my encounter with the clan. this is by 1966-67, so i was 21-years-old doing voter registration in southern
virginia. i could have gotten myself killed but obviously i did not. i went there and i was staying with people in the community. you have to remember the titans of terrorism. the people who lived in these areas were there all the time. some of us may be from other parts of the south, places like erie pennsylvania or ohio. we parachuted in. we were not living in constant danger like these people were. if you can read the sign more close he says united clan rally good preaching, country music, white public only. i took the sign of a telephone pole and kept it all these years to remind me of the courage and bravery of those people who lived there. i want to talk about some women who are not in my book before i get to the women i interviewed.
some people pronounce this anyone familiar with her? she started citizenship schools and worked primarily in the islands off georgia and south carolina. so, to teach in these schools she eventually lost her license from the state and her pension because she wouldn't give up her membership in the naacp. she got her pension back many years later. her story wasn't unusual. ella baker worked for almost all of the major civil rights organizations at the time as the inspiration as they tell me for the student nonviolent coordinating committee, she was called a swahili word that means someone who passes knowledge down from generation to generation. ella baker center the name down
to california and she was a remarkable woman and everybody i know that calls for ms. baker, nobody calls her ella. jean fairfax is somebody that is very little known. again she works with for the major civil rights organizations at the time but also worked for the american funded service committee. the reason i want to point her out is in prince edward county virginia, which is southern virginia, when the schools were supposedly desegregated, prince edward county refused to segregate their schools. they closed public schools for five years which meant the black children had no schools to go to but they set up private academies with public funds for the white children. jean fairfax did outplacement. she came and sent children to places. imagine 15 to 16, 17 about to
graduate or go to high school what have you and you have to go far away from your family to pursue your education. she sent the children to safe havens around the country. i need people who are ms. fairfax kid. and people are startled to. you can look that one up. springer lived in pittsburgh primarily, but what she did as got involved is got involved in the labor movement, and she set the groundwork for the afl-cio involvement in the liberation movement in africa. this is a very big deal. there's a couple of books written about her as with all these other women you can do almost the whole library. molly neuman, i put her in there
because i always laugh and say she is likely. i met molly moon because she was the founder of the national urban league. you look at her and i call her a stealth radical because what she did is during the time we were trying to figure out how to call ourselves, names that were less pleasant than this, so we would call her black negro african-american and there was a lot of disagreement among people in the diaspora. so, mollie newman became a bridge over that and said african-american, that's very specific and that incorporates everybody. not everyone totally agrees with her but that's one thing she did. the other thing she in the 40s she and her husband, director of communications for the naacp and there were civil rights loyalties, national urban league, naacp, they started
interracial gatherings in new york city. you think that's not the south, but it's still segregated. so that's one of the things she did. and mollie moon was a great mentor for me. screening of hamer, sick and tired of being sick and tired. we know that. a sharecropper like my grandmother. my grandparents had 35 acres and they would also sharecroppers. fannie lou hamer spoke at the democratic convention representing the mississippi freedom party and she was so powerful that lbj, lyndon baines johnson called a fake news conference since he could take attention from her while she was speaking. he said who is that little woman that he might have said
something else because he was a little propane. but he said said he was that woman speaking. she was very powerful. i knew she was powerfully than before that because i saw her speak baby around may be around the same time she was addressing a rally in alabama and stokely carmichael who later became was speaking in was using language she didn't quite a approve of. she was a fine christian lady. he kept talking so she came up and she's like we appear she's way down here and she said .-full-stop talking like that. shut your mouth. i don't remember the exact words, but he said yes ma'am. and all i can think is that is a powerful woman and so she was. wednesday and that he had been lived and worked in lee county mississippi. wednesday -- winston informally
with a did his voter registration. they did a lot of work. there's a book there is a book about them called mississippi harmony. you can read more about them, but they represented another group of women who worked so hard in the movement and who are unacknowledged. the montgomery bus boycott in 1955-56. why did i include and want to mention that quite because it is a microcosm of african-american women leaders and leadership roles. joanne robinson was a teacher, professor that the local black college, and she was also active in the women's political council. one of the things they did, people wonder how was the bus boycott successful? it wasn't just a successful piece of successful piece of oratory but because people were strategist and visionaries and they thought ahead.
they knew there would come a time when someone would sit down to stand up and so when mrs. parks did that, they were ready and they ran off of all these things, but before that they had arranged alternative means of transportation so people could get work and those people who couldn't get transportation walked for over a year. i tell people you can't get people to walk to the stores these days and they walked in the heat in great threats of terror for over a year. jo ann robinson. have we heard of this name she's a teenager at the time who did the same thing mrs. parks did a few months before that because she was a teenager and considered unruly, she wasn't considered the right symbol for the movement they were trying to
build. i don't blame them for trying to find someone who would represent the movement in a way that would move the movement forward, but claudette colvin, i tried to track her down to interview her and she died a few years before i could do that. years later after but years later after this, after mrs. parks became the symbol, she said that she thought mrs. parks was the right person. partly rosa parks was considerably everyone to be quite upright and dignified all of which you've already know. she was the secretary of the naacp branch. you may not know that the other thing most people don't know is that she was trained as a community organizer and as an activist. she went to hy landers entering tennessee as did many civil rights workers, which is one of the few places that these gatherings could train together. they were always under threat from the authorities that they
proceeded anyway. georgia gilmore, i told you a little about my background. georgia gilmore was a cook, and what she did, she and some friends they start a club from nowhere and what he did has raised money to support the boycott. this was a threat to their livelihood and their wives. they called it a club to nowhere because they didn't want to be self identified those people knew who they were. she and the people she works with persisted and raised money to support the movement. i am always saying when you are movement oriented and not just personally, if i'm raised to bring social justice for her, georgia gilmore did that. rosa parks, the rosa parks you may not know. steve@highlander. she was a high demand are and they show that. the rosa parks, the young rosa
parks most people think of. i should mention as the secretary of the naacp come she didn't take dictation. she might have done that, i don't know, but she also investigated wen ching and race -- lynchings and rape and things like that. now daisy bates, the naacp in little rock arkansas integration of central high school. these students are the little rock nine. but remember these are individual students, young people, these are people about the age of those marvelous students in parkland. i look them up all the time. they age range, ernie green who was a senior and graduated the
first to graduate from central high school, there's a young woman elizabeth. on the day they were supposed to go to the school, elizabeth family wasn't notified that they changed the location where they were supposed to meet. as of the eight people that with daisy bates, the local security, local police, national guard to escort them into school. elizabeth's family didn't have a phone, so she allowed walked into school, and there are pictures of this child walking through hostile crowds, nonhostile children, but hostile adults yelling at her, shouting profanities, doing horrible things. that is something that traumatized her for the rest of her life. name maybe tell -- mamie till
for, someone whistled or said something at a store and later that night at the home visiting with his uncle or grandfather visiting from chicago there's a knock on the door. the ku klux klan. they took him out, mutilated and killed this child. when they found his body they also found others who didn't help. this was a typical occurrence in the south. i talk about the terrorism that we have as people keep trying to divert that there were no muslims involved in this. these were white christians committing these crimes, these acts of violence. this is mrs. mamie till bradley
mobley and after her son was killed. i'm sparing you the open casket although it is very, very powerful. and i think she made the right decision to display that because we would rather look the other way that sometimes you must look into the face of evil, of what evil does. the motley was the primary female attorney with the naacp legal defense fund. there she is and she always looked like that. when she would argue cases, people would come from miles around. they walk, take care just, whatever, to see her argue. first of all the she was unusual. a female attorney, and she's there holding her own with all the men. she integrated, she litigated for the university of georgia and mississippi. and i think the other two people
in that picture, martin luther king and coretta scott king. the women in my book that i interviewed, the nine oral histories, the first one is leah chase. she and her husband ran a restaurant, and she still runs the restaurant in new orleans. some of you may have been there. the reason she's there is like george gilmore. she believes cooking was her contribution. so in her restaurant in new orleans she provided a safe haven for civil rights workers to come to the groups. remember young people in particular that was against the law. their business could have been shut down and harm could come to them. she says maybe it's because bubble like the good times times roll things didn't happen to
her. this is mrs. chase later on. she was about 90-years-old and absolutely phenomenal. i interviewed her at her restaurant and i had a videographer and i kept offering breaks saying what you like to take a rest now and she said no and kept going for hours. the videographer was passing out over on the side she was still going and is still going today. a little bit slower but still cooking in her restaurant. and she said the a couple things. one, she said through a new come in front of "the new york times" picked up on this earlier, who knew if you change the world over a bowl of gumbo. jim jackson, this picture was taken the day after young people were killed, i believe three of them in jackson college.
a psychiatrist already attending the american psychiatric association and in that meeting they are trying to figure out what in the heck is going on. jim jackson and her husband never worked in the south, but they opened up their townhouse in new york city to the civil rights workers. they raised money and provide places for them to stay and even provided counseling because they said we are down here nobody's talking about post-dramatic stress. we need some rest, we need a break, someone to talk to. she provided that. one of the first black woman to graduate and they applaud her now as she should have been lauded. this is doctor christmas taken last year i think about 93 or 94. don't be jealous. that's how she looks now. i always say the life of a
social justice activist you wind up looking like that. eileen hernandez is the only person of the nine women i interviewed who died before this book was published. she died a little over a year ago and she led student protests at howard university. people forget it is in the south, the old mason-dixon line and they also had issues with public accommodation and all this sort of thing so she did that when she was in college. she later became a labor activist and leader and also became the first and i think only african-american president of the national organization for women. she quits now after she had been the president plans on how they figured out that it was okay to present an all white slate for officers and she thought this cannot be so she moved to
california and maintained her activism and did labor organizing not just here but abroad. judy richardson, right there representing the young people of sncc. does anybody remember this line? it was a lifeline for the civil rights workers because what they did, people would go in the rural areas so people that need to know that they are still alive. these are dangerous times. judy's job was to take the reports and sometimes through tears contact the fbi. she talks about her frustration being in places where there was terror going on and the fbi agents with not intercede because they didn't want to blow
their cover. she's very frustrated about that. this is judy last year and the year before receiving an award from the city of boston. later she started on the she cofounded a black bookstore at the time the largest black owned bookstore in the country from washington, d.c.. then she became the associate producer for eyes on the prize and is partially responsible for that name because henry hampton wanted to say america i love you madly and she said no so she brought forth a title that evolved into the title that we know. she like many of the women were very humble. she said to me why do you want to interview me i didn't do anything special and i said i beg to differ with you and besides it is my book. [laughter] diane nash was a student leader
in nashville tennessee from chicago. she was considered so trustworthy and the word she always uses is religions. there were two sides to the head of the movement and that they would go out for various meetings and come back to report on a group like this like they were not very specific and everybody knew how specific diane was so they encouraged her to become the head of that. one of the things that is usually talked about when you see various documentaries of things on the civil rights movement or the freedom writers is the fact that she took over when the congress on the bus were attacked him so severely beaten that they couldn't continue. she said if we let violence stop us now, we will never succeed. she passionately believes in
nonviolence. after the time of the civil rights movement she moved back to her hometown of chicago. a relatively recent photograph, where she became a tenant organizer. she's a wonderful person. she is so specific she only talked to me because i had to get someone else to be my third party endorsement. so donaldson who worked very hard and close to the people know him from the nonviolent coordinating committee. he knew me and my work. i met her but of course she was diane nash and i was not she knew me and he convinced her to talk to me for a while. but it's so funny i tell the story because i love it. she said i will give you 15 minutes. and i said okay i will take whatever time i get. so we are talking and i look at
my watch and say i i'm so sorry. and she said without hostility or anything, very matter of fact, it is 18 minutes. so we wrapped it up. i love her because that shows you how real people are. as i say particularly to the young people and those who may or may not have seen the black panther, she was a real black panther. she and her then husband on the land from the fbi. first of all they did all the good work at the breakfast programs and you have to remember there were community programs that the black panthers did. people think of them with their beret and leather jacket and things like that and forget about the programs they did. kathleen is magnificent. she came back from i think four years in exile. they had two children abroad.
part of her background is that she grew up in tuskegee, alabama. her father was an agricultural specialists sent abroad when she was very young u.s. aid program and so she spent a bit of time in countries that had people of color as leaders so she said white supremacy never had a chance with her. it was over before it even started, so she came back and graduated summa cum laude undergraduate from law school and then clerked for a very brave federal district judge who would hire a black panther. it's interesting several women said to me is she still as gorgeous as she once was and i said yes she is and she is as nice as she can be.
she allowed me to talk to her while she was entertaining her grandchildren from sudan. i said for all these women i just wanted to do right by them. the first black student to integrate the all women's college outside of atlanta georgia she was the only one, the first one they accepted and the only one. can you imagine the isolation she had? after two years she did of she did transfer and later on became an anti-apartheid leader in washington, d.c. and helped organize all of those protests. then with her late husband john
peyton. so when nelson mandela voted and this is a famous photo when he voted for the first time, he wanted mcdougal by his side, there she is in their she is today. she also went to law school and is now a professor and was the first to be on the committee for the end of racial discrimination at the united nations, fantastic person. gloria richardson. this is richardson was like no. she was nonviolence as a tactic she didn't believe in it, she believed in self-defense and her daughter in fact had to calm her down. she got involved in the movement to support her daughter was a teenager and others and the daughter in fact told her mother to get out of the line because
she was tripping white people when they were walking by and she said that is and what we are supposed to do so she tells us this story is when the national guard was sent to the riots. there were no riots by black people in cambridge maryland into some you can see they pointed a gun at her and she swatted it away, to the offended anyone would do something like that to her and she's like that to this day in her 90s and there she their she is that it's a picture taken last year at the 50th anniversary of the movement she was honored by the city and she never thought she would see that particular day and there she is looking at a higher authority. i'm going to end with an excerpt of the chapter was taken after
the assassination of her husband and there are their three children. a little background. born in vicksburg mississippi, she was raised by her grandmother when she was 17 and a student in mississippi, she met her future husband, met her at first to make a -- medgar evers. when appointed the first field secretary in the state of the state of mississippi in 1954, she negotiated a position as the office secretary. they were basically the office. their home was fire bombed and 52 and in june, 1963, and edgar
ebbers was assassinated in their driveway. they stayed in their home for years when the driveway was an emotionally intense daily reminder of her husband's death. in december 1964, she addressed the naacp convention at a time with civil rights workers to lift up their names they were missing and yet not discovered and as with discovering the body of emmett till they found other bodies. she later moved to california at the age of 30 when she went back to college working part time and graduated in 1968 with a degree
in sociology. she had three small kids at the time and pursue justice for the murder of her husband, a three decade commitment that ended when the killer was convicted and 94. their home is now a national landmark on a quiet unassuming residential street its location brings into sharp focus the everyday lives of the leaders during the civil rights movement. today she remains beautiful, gracious and propelled by an invisible force a mixture of compassion, curiosity and righteous anger. her openness can chalk when expecting a martyr or saint.
she is defiantly preserving personhood that is itself an accomplishment. in her own words this is part of the chapter chapter that i adopted but i adopted for the nation magazine online and this is ever as word i was very fortunate to be surrounded by people who loved me dearly. my grandmother and my aunt told me i could accomplish anything i set my mind to do as long as i stayed within the boundaries of what society had for me. then they said you can do whatever you want to do but keep those boundaries out of the way. never stop dreaming for something higher and better. a veteran of world war ii. she decided to confidant the
prejudice racism. i came along and learn as you move forward in and work in the mississippi delta and then later in jackson mississippi. we moved first to a townhouse formed by former slaves and edgar was the first known to fight play for the university of mississippi. a fact checker at the nation found another person who said perhaps he was the second this is evers thought it was the first. whatever the accomplishment of the the willingness to do that is still the same. he applied to the law school at old ms. and went to visit with doctor stringer president of the naacp mississippi state conference to talk about the
naacp supporting him and the search for evidence. instead they talked him into taking the position is as the first field secretary for the naacp and opening up an office in jackson, a very interesting time. it wasn't only typing, organizing events for celebration or even sad thing to acknowledge people who have been hurt and had been killed. i did research for the speeches and wrote some of them. we were behind the curtain because you cannot get information out to those services that you could in any other part of the country. it meant being concise and sending that information to the naacp office in new york city. i was a welcoming committee to people who came in.
everyone visited our house. our house was so small, that we always found a place. i think of thurgood marshall, attorney derek. what a terrible time i had trying to balance the budget of $25 every two weeks feeding and housing people, but it was our home. many of us bonded and there were a few of us still around. we had been there. ..
today, when i visit my former home, i can still feel the blood. we needed to get away from that place. our eldest son darrell reached a point where he refused to eat. he would not that he, he would not talk. my daughter would go to bed every night with her dad's picture, holding it very tight. the youngest one who was three would go to bed his little rifle. i knew we could no longer live in that house. a woman who is lonely and afraid, but one who is
determined to make it. everything i did was what i thought he would've wanted and the promises i made to him the night before he was killed. my grandmother said to me you run as far away as mississippi as you can get. without going into the ocean. california became home and until this day it still is. i summarized, as best i can the character of the women in these but they represent authenticity, courage and purpose. i quote elaine jones when i say why, after american woman,
what's my passion on that. elaine jones, a native of north old virginia, in 1970, became the first african american women to graduate from the university virginia school of law and later the first woman president and director counselor of the na vp legal defense and educational fund. she said, the point is no one did what we do. lack women believe in fundamental fairness. we know the difference between right and wrong. that is the way of finding our way and inspiring others. my book, lighting the fires of freedom, is unabashedly a love letter to women in the movement and to the movement itself. i also want to acknowledge there are a number of books by anna about black women on the civil rights movement by an
impressive group of scholars including betty thomas, beverly, barbara clark hein and paula giddens and many more. the rich history of women involved in the civil-rights movement indicates there are many stories that remain to be told and to be told from different perspectives. reclaiming that is important to recognizing the vibrancy and authenticity of african american women leadership. one my favorite people in the entire world, young man, director writes about the women lighting the light for freedom. these stories of perseverance, love, loss, inspiration and strategy added to the songbook of the civil rights era, allowing us to hear and model
our newly revised model for justice on the sharp, passionate and unforgettable voices of these women whose ideas were so transformative. the stories of these remarkable women serve as instruction for the work that still must be done to make real the ideals of this nation. join with me. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪. thank you.
[applause] >> we have about 15 minutes for q&a. please be got. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> thank you. that's a great question. one of the things i did, i wasn't able to video all of the women i interviewed but i interviewed some and some going to try to put those in some sort of series, maybe even online.
because i think their full interviews are really very powerful, i was privileged to interview most of the people, all but one who gave me the 15 minutes, but she is so organized. she is one of those people you for the market phone in front of her and ask a couple questions. she was fabulous. i think to hear the women speak in their own voices, and what i say is they allowed me too keep in their cadences, their colloquialisms. when you say something and you put it in writing, you think let me try to change that because you're somehow driven by semicolons and you want to do something that's not important but i begged them. i said please let me keep it in the way you said it. they were kind enough. i want to encourage other
people to write about the spread one of the things i'm privileged to do is set a spark myself about it. i was able to do that and get them published but i want other people to do it. there is a lot more material there, but it's not done, i have snatches of peoples interviews. here it's done in a whole pot. you have more of a sense of the person. i'm excited about my own book. it's not me, it's these women. thank you for that's a great idea and i hope to be able to do that.
african americans suffer from some part of post traumatic stress syndrome and many of us are aware of that. when i think about what's going on in this country, to put it exactly with. [inaudible] one of the things i've come to believe is that we are wasting our energy and our time. i believe we need to come inside the different communities across america and to say we know what you're going through and we carry about you so that we can help mothers and fathers.
if i can care about myself, i can't care about you. [inaudible] i need the courage i need to keep on keeping on. >> thank you. my late husband, some of you may know of him he was an african-american professor at harvard law school, among other things, but before he was back, he managed 300 school desegregation cases. what derek and i always said was that we found joy in the midst of the struggle. we always focused on that, not denying the stress, the great
doctor price talked about that for many, many years and people didn't really pay attention to the psychic energy it takes to be part of an oppressed group and so, even with all that, we do the work and find joy. we laugh and dance. at a conference a few years ago, i said i think we need to dance more. they were looking at me like okay, that was an interesting comment but i really do.
in, it's a great place to find out more about civil-rights here in baltimore. >> i wanted to just go back and say couple things about the women who i talked to and that is that they continue to work for human rights and some people try to name it and they could not get support. there's a great book and they wanted to join with the international human rights movement but they couldn't get support here to do that.
those are not museum pieces. they're not people who will be dusted off in february for black history month or march for women's history month and are also saying that they are not cookie-cutter heroines. they are real people living real lives, their iconic, but they also. [inaudible] ♪ ♪ how we got over ♪ and so they helped us get over and we owed them. thank you very much.
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