tv In Depth In Depth with Brad Thor CSPAN August 31, 2018 8:01pm-11:03pm EDT
author of many secret service thrillers including the lions of lucerne and his latest book is called spymaster but he briefly appeared on the tv's monthly interview program, in depth. >> over the course of 18 books, how many people has got horvath killed? >> i lost count after book number one. he killed a lot. p >> light? >> guest: my children's godfather is a former special forces group person it works for the state from now when he has aligned that he got from a commander somewhere in his career in the army that that some people just the killing and some people cannot reason with and you cannot negotiate with and there is evil in the world and that is the approach horvath takes the he doesn't like it for
what it needs to be done, he doesn't. >> host: c based on a real>> person? >> guest: my protagonist, got horvath, is aun combination a sw of multiple people that i don't in the world of government, diplomacy, part of government, horvath is named after someone right here in dc who processes fisa warrants for the permit of justice but there's a horvath at doj, real life horvath who i knew and i thought that's a great name for a character but he's a collection of these people. that he'sl folks is my alter ego. he gets to go into the things my wife won't let me go out and do. she let me go to afghanistan but through the line with chasing russian female operatives and that sort of thing. there's a bright line i can cross. >> host: how realistic are some of his exploits?
>> guest: very realistic. i spend a lot of time talking with people at the cia, fbi, special operations community and i buy a lot of us take dinners in pitchers of beer. i like to listen to stories. i find i learn more by not talking with them because hearing them talk but there is one question that i askre repeatedly what about people and i ask it multiple times. what are you afraid of right now? that is what helps inform thehe plot for my thrillers. >> host: brad thor, your protagonist, scott horvath is handsome, rugged, resourceful, smart has unlimited funds in the brazilian girlfriend, what are his faults? >> guest: that's a great question. something that i began exploring a few books ago. i made a choice as a writer and my wife when she read the manuscript said okay, i always knew what he thought but now i know what he feels. i think our bath is someone that
his dad was a steel who passed away and horvath had to not have a good relationship with his father. he decided he did not want to go to college and had an opportunity to be an athlete on the professional circuit and what that way out of high school and then made his dad would work very hard to get his education upset so they have grown apart. the only reason he was doubly talking or minimally talking with his father was because his mom was holding the family together. his dad dies and he loses his te case for competitive athletics and then decides to go to school and so there's a part of him that is looking for that approval and trying to make his dad happy. he became a seal and in the most recent book we talk about he's got a whole other of father-son issues with his mentor becoming ill and his mentor wanted him to give up another career to do something that the mentor thanks is more valuable for the country.
>> host: your 18th book, spymaster, is coming out on tuesday, july three and he works for a a group called the carlton group and what is bad and do these types of groups exist in our world? >> the carlton group is a private intelligence agency. basically, they offer everything the cia would do without bureaucracy. that's a fictional idea and as i watch the increase in the popularity and the contracts going to private military contract like blackwater and other ones like that i thought the next step in this process is going to be outsourcing intelligence gathering. maybe analysis and direct action assignments where it allows us government to plausible deniability. i thought that the next big thing coming and i got introduced to someone who is retired from the cia, a man named duane claridge, dewey claridge. dewey had -- i dedicated last summer spoke to dewey who just passed away and we had something
that he was doing where he was outsourcing intelligence gathering and multiple different ways, whether atmospherics on the ground in afghanistan to help inform the dod about how to do force protection to keep the troops safe, he wasn't it interesting, fascinating guy and i based horvath's boss on dewey claridge. >> host: do cia intelligence operatives have the unlimited funds that scott horvath -- >> guest: no, unfortunately. [laughter] there was a great book written, nonfiction, that was called the human factor and it was written by a cia operative who was very unhappy with the culture at the cia. he would request or send in requests to approach certain potential assets and he'd have his request sent back to him five times because the commas were in the wrong places.
they would string them along and say no and he was constantly paint his sources out of the pocket and take the agencync forever to get the money so more often than not you got agents that are dealing with a big bureaucracy, as well intended, great by the women at the cia and that's one point i always make clear this amazing american there that are doing some of this nation's most dangerous business and people that think there are no problems there and talk to people who think it's so pure craddick and so much red tape and that is part of what i deal with in my thrillers which makes them all the more real. >> host: we read political philosophy of yours in your thrillers? >> guest: you know, ever since i write political thrillers and ever since human beings have gone together there's been politics and ever since we got together and little bands and move it up to tribes and cities and anytime there is an interest
politics are involved. if you're protecting an interest or trying to leverage and advantage politics will be wrong. i think and i hope that what my books do is shine a light on the competitions that operatives have in this world and also let people know that there is no american dream about the minimum and willing to protect it and politicians get in the way of things too often but i also think the cia been so closely tied to the state department and having to run operations through an investor -- a friend of mine now got made investor to germant and before rick finally got confirmed at the senate there was a whole terrible thing with the cia out of the berlin station where they paid all this money allegedly for dirt russians had or something like this without having the investor there to screen so in that sense there might've been better but i think with the cia being rotating people through embassies and stuff like thateot
probably adds to the bureaucracy and makes it operative got t. >> host: from last year's book, use of force, one of the most contractor things the cia had ever done was but it's operatives on embassies around the world and too many of them began to think like state department employee. >> guest: yes, there's another book i was reading and a job link on the title but it was a very dangerous operation in the middle east and one of the people that the cia had allowed to go on the team on assignment he had a severe medical condition. because of hepa the world the projector medical information this gentleman medical condition cannot be revealed to the leader of the team and this guy had an episode, whether epileptic seizure or whatever but now they are way behind enemy lines in it country and they have to figure out how to get this guy out of there and get him medical attention. that bureaucracy gets people killed. that is the balance the cia has
and they don't want to be bureaucratic but want to go out and help the nation and protect the nation and gather the until they have to but there are some pieces that attach that that make it difficult and that's what i like writing about our private agencies.. y as americans we all hope there's scott horvath other where there's a rules and he's unshackled and go do what needs to be done which marcus luttrell, history was the loneas survivor? wahlberg and every time i heard him speak that's how he ended his talk. he said one of the greatest things you do for us in the special operations community is to justni and it doesn't mean we don't have a credibility but let us go and do what we can do. there is the bible story where they decided that three of his teammates were killed because they made the decision they did
to let those goat herders and get a single and brought a tell of an army down on top and marcus was the only survivor. >> host: before we get into specific books can pick up anyone under 18 bucks for you have to read them in order? >> guest: one of the best pieces of advice i got when i started in this business was first, i never intended to write a sears character. as a big fan of michael creighton and i love this idea that i could visit a new protagonists with new problems and backgrounds with each book in my editor sammy down and said how many times have you bought a book because you wanted to go on another adventure with that samn character and i said happens all the time and she said yeah, even if it sounds like maybe the plot is something you normally like the love the character and you want to write it again.ov i got it. that's a business model and then the next advice you gave me was the one thing you to make sure is that if someone goes in to a bookstore and the fourth breadth
or book is in there and they start with you and they never read the other three make sure they're able to buy that one and enjoy it even if the bookstore doesn't have the first day. the answer to dart out is yes, you can start anywhere with my books and will be missing think. >> host: welcome to bottini and are special in depth picture in addition. all year long we've had fiction authors on this year and this month it is best-selling novelist and thriller writer brad thor. we will begin taking your calls and take your calls throughoutro his three hours but we want to put the numbers up in social media addresses so you can go ahead and start dialing in order to eating and et cetera. here are the numbers. for the show today we want to ask for first-time callers only. if you not call book to be before or a fan of brad thor, please call in.
you can also tweet, facebook, instagram and e-mail @booktv is our social media address, depending on which system you use in our e-mail is book tv at c-span .org. we will take note those in just a little while. brad thor, i want to talk about the themes that come through in your books before we go into specifics about the books. terrorism is not going away. >> guest: no. no time soon. a couple of my friends that are in the defense of history said it will not break out anytime soon and i agree with you. it's been interesting because i'm trying to juggle all the threats that are going on in the world and obviously islamic terrorism whether al qaeda or isis or before al qaeda which i covered in my second book path of the assassin, that stuff has been there with the longer
program to talk about the collapse of panera and nationalism and how that fueled the muslim brotherhood but that is one thing and we also have on the cyber front we had the hyper warfare they are seen with russia which is forefront in "spymaster" and the things they've done at only here but in the baltics and you got the chinese and there was a real big hack where they took a lot of us navy secrets from that hack and everything the north koreans have been up to in the world is a dangerous place and i continually remind people that america has been one of the greatest forces for good in safety and security in the history of the world but we are constantly being bombarded and i think the advent of the internet in our reliance on it has made us more vulnerable to different terrorism. >> host: real-life events are parts of your book.
>> guest: they are. it's funny because some of the stuff happens in my book before it happens in real life and sometimes the events are a backdrop, for instance, we traded a couple years ago in the previous demonstration five gitmo terrorists for bo bergdahl, the guy who walked off his base in afghanistan and i had done a book prior to that where i did a trade of five gitmo terrorists to get somebody so there's the things that happened i took about an is working and we put my second m book path of the assassin out he was the iraqis put out they had found him and he had been in iraq and committed suicide by shooting himself in the head multiple times. i don't know how you shoot yourself multiple times in the head but the iraqis decided they had no use for him anymore so there's a lot of that stuff that ends up happening because the way i read the tea leaves but i my precious consumer of the news and pay a lot of attention to the massive politics and geopolitics and i think if you look at it and say what if and
that is part of a thriller writer stopped to look at reality and say what if. that helps create interesting scenarios and one of the things and i don't know steve making them would never ever consider or to judge how hard his work is because a different but what is interesting and i do look at steven king's work with a little bit of off and i like his writing but i also think it must be interesting to be able to create the parameters of the world your fiction existed. your characters exist here and you can move the walls whenever but i can do that with my booksd if i say a senator has this ability is got to be the ability of senator katz. or somebody at langley does that. i have specificc walls that are around my work or guideposts, if you will and i operate and don't get to cheat that stuff because i heard from people. >> host: scott horvath invokeses murphy's law a lot. >> guest: yeah, that is something you were here from
whether it's green berets or seals or guys at the unit but if it can go wrong, it will go wrong. the battle plansns and it survis up to first contact. the minute the bullets by things change and the mindset of a adaption to overcome is big in my novels. his success in that mantra of the seals is success is the only option. failure is not an option. you have to think on your feet. that's how they selected guys to be in delta force or end up on the seal team and in the tier one teams and it is interesting. you have to think on your feet and murphy's law is something that they can all quote chapter and verse because something always goes on and the success of the mission depends on not just how well it was planned but how well you handle the thingnt that went sideways on you.
>> host: another theme is potentially illegal operations on foreign lands and brutal interrogations. >> yes, there's been a lot of that stuff in the book and i think there are it was charles krauthammer who recently passed away he said there's two types of acceptable morally acceptable interrogation. there is the okay, we've got time and we can work on this guy and we can try to build rapport and there's a misunderstanding that our intelligence operatives and our military people go from zero to 80 in the blink of an eye and they do try to build rapport and a lot of them realized a lot more to be done without applying difficult techniques but the other thing that charles krauthammer talked about was what you can do under the ticking time bomb scenario. if there is a loop that will go off in town square in one houroi you have to be prepared to get rough with somebodyep and wheres it and how we defuse it, kind of
thing. i think it was charles that made the joke about if you walked onto the floor of "the new york times" in the aftermath of 911 and said, there's a a taxicab speeding toward your building right now with about a minute and we can evacuate the building but we do have a guy in custody knows how to stop it, how much buy-in would you have gotten on the news and for "the new york times" do we have to stop this text again. it's easy from a distance to say we don't like certain things and i understand that and i don't want that to be the only tool in our toolbox and i've expanded on it in my books they interrogation happens but it is part of that thing that people like to read about. that's why kiefer sutherland was so successful with 24. want to believe there's a guy out there willing to break fingers if it will save american life. >> host: you put a lot of detail into your description of people, places, things, transportation. >> guest: the details are the bedrock of a thriller.
you are asking somebody to suspend their disbelief, you on this journey and one of the pieces of fan mail if you want to call it that that i most product is when i hear from a women in the intelligence field of special operations committee and they are like that's exactly how we do it. t i done that and i've had a problem with my boss and it happens again and again and you know that office politics thing that follows you to the field. the details are not important. if i don't get that right a currency. i will trust you and nothing drives me crazier than to read another author who do something like put the safety on the clock. there's a manual safety on a glock pistol and if they don't get it right it tells me they do not care enough to go and as someone who is an expert. my books don't happen in a vacuum. i was not able to go talk to people in the firearms industry or seals or people at delta i
would not be able to get the level of accuracy and is a hallmark that people enjoy and i get right. it's different than clancy and a group reading clancy i don't want to give you 20 pages but it's important that you understand how we got a special forces team and they're putting a laser on the target and missiles will find it. that is the limit.d i people's attention spans have gotten shorter and i don't know the people could do the chapter length and stuff and perhaps a good but i don't know and claims he is gone and you got great writers that continued his work and really strong writers but for me that was the one thing and not said without the people the people skip in so long descriptions about technology did not resonate with me so i figured in my books i keep it simple but it will give you important details. >> host: have you walked the streets of dover billos and france? or in paris?
or been to the lake in poland or the streets of syria, et cetera et cetera. >> guest: yes and no. paris stuff, yes. parent in poland stuff, no. the lake is half owned by poland and half owned by russia. i wanted to know what it look like so i went on google earth and i could not get an idea.a. the next step for me if i can't go visit someplace i want to talk to someplace who's operated there. if your life is dependent upon what you're noticing around you you pick up interesting color detail. i want to talk to maybe somebody on a diplomatic security service team that protected the us diplomat in their area, cia and intelligent officer, special operations member and i want to see what did they pick up. a couple books go code of conduct i said part of it in congo and was talking with someone who operated there a ton and he said what details you
want for me and what big gruff guy and he said what does no one else noticed about. he gave me ideas and we were getting there but it wasn't the stuff that i wanted and i said what i'm trying to ask is did you notice how everyone had the same vote bicycle and he saidych my gosh, yes, they have a bite they called the black mama and i said why do they call it that he said all the bikes are black and the trail that the tire leaves are in the dirts looks like a black mama. he understood stuff in singapore and that became a new detail for that book. if you gone to that part of the world you will say yeah, everybody has a bicycle. thor must've been here or he does his research. >> host: how did you get started in this business? >> guest: great question. i always wanted to be a writer, ever since i was a little boy. my dad is a no longer active marine who got into the construction and real estate to
build a business and my mom was awflight attendant for twa in the 1960s. flew new york, paris, paris to new york and the arts in our house for something to make you better rounded. they were not a career path. my dad doubled the sons and i have a younger brother named scott with one teeth who is my protagonist is named after. my dad did a lot of work in ituthern cal and everyone he worked with went to the university of southern california. these guys stuck together and help each other and hired grads from usc and so he said i want you guys, you and your brother, go to usc, study business demonstration come to work and take over the business. what, i went to usc and i started this business administration and i could not stand it. was depressed and i didn't like it and went into the career counseling office and they gave me something back then it was called the strong cable personality test. they compare your interest to two or 300 other professionals who love what they do.ea it doesn't mean you have an aptitude for that career field
but a means they're satisfied and what they do. i scored off the charts for writing and publishing. i changed my major by the classes i took. i did not change it on the report card.ut it still went back home to my dad in chicago saint business demonstration that it was introduction to fiction writing, poetry 101, all the stuff. about my junior year he's like, i don't know what's going on here but it's two years now and no business classes. i had to tell him and he was really good about it and said okay, will make it up and you can get a finance repose credit which, i did not do. i went on to save money and traveled and wanted to write a book so i decided with the money i saved and go to paris and do something no american has ever done, moved to paris and write a novel. went to paris, got three chapters into it and shipped my laptop back home. i was afraid of failure.
when i take a year off right a yok that no one likes or does not get published but it was easier to listen to that little voice in my head if they don't risk it and don't embarrass yourself. i pitched public television on a icavel show which was my way of running away from being an author in the show did well. after two seasons i married my wife and we were on our honeymoon and she said what would you regret on your deathbed never have done and i said writing a book and never getting it published. two hours late when we get home you make that tree come home. that became my first book, "lions of lucerne". >> host: who are the lions of lucerne? >> guest: it was based on a newspaper article i found while i was in amsterdamam on my honeymoon with my wife. there was a swiss intelligence officer, real life, who embezzled all the money from the swiss army training his own shadow militia high in the alps with high-tech weapons from his own private arsenal. i thought of itselfns if you are
training a modern swiss militia, we got the swiss guard to protect the pope, what a modern swiss militia do? what jobs might they take? i was living in park city, utah and my wife was on the us ski team and present clinton had come for his second visit to you throughout the game for chelsea's birthday because chelsea like to ski in the family with skill on jansky at park city.he i knew someone in the secret service and i said it has to be a nightmare because you let other people ski at the same time as the president. that's where my idea key for the lions of lucerne and what they would do. i said this will be about president skus with his daughter in the swiss mercenaries will get hired because they are swiss and the good in the mountains of snow and they will captureno and take the president hostage during the ski vacation and that's where the idea came from. >> host: was that written prior to 911? >> guest: yes, written prior to 911. we had to stop the presses moment where in the lines of a lucerne i talked about the
biggest terrorist attacks up to the point and lions of lucerne came out january 2002, a handful of months after the 911 attacks. we had to stop the presses, go back and insert a mention of 911. as far as we no, i was the first thriller author to publish with a mention of 911 in the story. >> host: how did 911 change the directory of your 18 book or did it? >> guest: it's interesting because i was already writing my second book talking to the head of security for mac and airlines before in the run-up to 911 about a hijacking and about conducting a hijacking and how mac and airlines might respond to this kite would not give me any information but they near the writer and you figured out the mess last thing we want to do. my wife and i went, because it was very close to 11, we said uw, will the fbi show up on our doorstep asking us for asking me why were you pinging the head of security for mac and airlines asking these questions. they did not show up. it wasn't an issue but obviously it changed me in that we now had this global effort to fight
terrorism particularly islamic extremism and i had been interested in the islamic state while i was at university of some the governor as we had so many families from iran who head fled and -- southern california has a big person community and why a small percentage of people can read the koran and the associated text and have a tedifferent interpretation than the majority so when the 911 attack happened i was not surprised they happened butav tt here's an area that is of interest that i can now apply to my relish but islam and i tried to balance in my books, if i hat muslim terrorist and there are plenty books that have no mention of islam at all but i would try to be good and balance so that i had good character and if i have a bad character and i wanted to be fair like that. it also allows the expedition and exploration of both sides of
the issue. >> host: you got to a bit of trouble with the last patriot? >> guest: yes, i did. last patriot is really interesting and based on one of my favorite concepts in islam which is the concept of [inaudible]. glenn beck said it was the da vinci code of islam. the premise behind the last prpatriot is there's a chapter missing from the koran and if it could be found it would have haen incredibly impact on the tsligion. that, in and of itself, created a tremendous amount of trouble and the book got banned in saudi arabia in the koran, as accepted by the muslim faith is a perfect copy of a perfect book in heaven. ... chapter. years ago when you're doing renovation of the grand mosque they found a bunch of old things and maybe some stuff -- is a fascinating fasten id but this idea chapter could be missing and the race was on was not taken well in some areas, did you get death threats? >> guest: a lot of death threats. it's interesting because you can
>> a lot of death threats and it's interesting because he could write a book about catholicism and christianity like my friend and brown did with the da vinci code. you could do a broadway play about mormonism they don't have to worry about death threats and things like this. islam is interesting in that there's a very serious defenders of that they had don't want to criticize. sam harris wrote a great piece several years ago when there had been a killing in amsterdam and they had to go on the run because of the hit list was stabbed through his chest. the sam harris wrote the great piece on the huffington post called losing our -- to save our next. it's about hampering our work of muslim reformers. people advancing the religion trying to help separate mosque
and state. we don't do that service and helping shine more light on the areas where reform can come. that's what i found interesting. it also tied in with thomas jefferson. i used as people who's the first one that went to -- it was thomas jefferson. the muslim pirates of the barbary coast. this idea that jefferson may have been onto a missing chapter and this becomes relevant is a fun thing to do that thriller. >> this is a quote from the magazine in 2016 of yours, i believe that if mohammed came back today and handed out trophies of who the best muslims were, isis would get it, al qaeda would get it, the practicing islam exactly the way he told them. >> not necessarily the best in
the character of the people but people practicing the religion the way he wanted it practiced. the majority of muslim people just want to get along with the neighbors. they have christians as friends and jews as friends. same as you and i would with our children. isis was a group where you saw they were going back to a seventh century idea of what islam should be. the barbaric ways they were torturing. they are taken from the karana things like this. it's fascinating. the cron is not organized chronologically. it's organized by the length of the passages in the book. when i have discussions of people who don't like me to talk about religious text being used to support violence though say
you're just cherry picking. mohammed's career was divided into two portions. he started out and went to medina and he got very powerful and wealthy. he became increasingly less tolerant of people that refuse to believe him enjoying his religion. you see more violence happening at that time. that concept happen because his apostles came to him and said mohammed, you told us this three years ago and now you're contradicting yourself. if the angel gabriel gives suit this direct from allah he cannot contradict himself. he went away for a couple of days, came back and show this concept. he said if i give you something
that contradicts what i told you yesterday, forget yesterday a focus on what i told you today. if he had a final revelation, if it was his last revelation than that could reverberate through the religion. it could be a game changer. that's the fun i had. there was a great set of muslim characters in there, very positive was meant to be fair and a fearless exploration of what was going on in that part of islam. the discussion raging between those who don't want change and those who do. >> another theme, women operatives are very successful and very beautiful. >> i don't think anybody wants to see anything but to beautiful bond girl when they go to a bond movie. i am surrounded by what i do by incredibly intelligent and
successful women. whether is my editor, my wife, my agent, fortunate to work with the people i do. when i write these women, i don't want them to be windowdressing. i have a huge female readership and i'm being respectful, i think women have to work twice as hard to make it. whether it's espionage, military, law-enforcement, i think they have to work twice as hard. they have to be twice as tough as their male counterparts. it is my way of recognizing and honoring these women. it is fun to have them be attractive and things like that. my men are too. it's very cinematic when i write these books. i see them unfolding like a
movie. i'm casting it as i go along. if i can get jessica biel as this person, that's great. it was jennifer gardner, that'll be it. i will often cut out pictures and have them on the desk particularly when i have multiple people in a novel that helps me keep track of them. i know who's personality goes where. >> who scott? >> it changes from time to time. i'll tell you who is on my mind, when i was writing my latest. it comes out tuesday, i saw josh brolin in the way he was in saqqara you. the cardio to just came out this week they came out friday, two days ago and josh, kinda being this grizzle intel guy still in
the field picking up a rifle and shoot at guys, but he's taken every shortcut he can. he's not in a run ten blocks to chase some guy. he's just can even up the score. so he was kind of the character touchstone for me. i love that movie. >> host: how come there has not been eating brad thor movies? >> that's a great question. probably one of the most disappointing things is we have not had a movie made. i think i have a certain reputation and hollywood as a guy who writes about islamic terrorists and hollywood does not want to touch it. they will touch russian bad gas or american neo-nazis. try to think back, when was the last time you saw a major hollywood release which had muslim bad guys. you really have to go way back into the '90s.
i joe, we are not at war with irish. it's not 19 guys that flew airplanes of the buildings. you can explore the themes of islamic terrorism and what it means without to meaning a billion people. i think film offers a great opportunity to put it out there. hollywood does not seem to want to touch it. we have a lot of offers that come in. then we work through the process. it's like having my books don't even have muslim terrorists. if i have nine movies made that would be terrific. then we get me in my golden years, my old age i would love to see nine movies made. but there seems to be a reluctance there that is misplaced. we have a lot of books that has
nothing to do with islam or islamic terrorists. >> and spymaster your latest were talking russian poland and nato. i don't recall muslim characters in that book. >> in the code of conduct they all had to do with someone at the un creating a viral fever, hidden order was all about a series of murders taken place along boston in order to influence things at the federal reserve. i normally don't say it's about the fed when i publicize it because how could you make that sexy and be a thriller, that's just one of several examples there was about one muslim guy in the swiss it brought them along to drop them on the scene to make think it was. it was one guy for two pages. that was all. >> intergovernmental intrigue in
the u.s. >> there is a lot of that. i talked to family members and things like that friend to talk about intrigue and conspiracies and i think this is the same government who could not even run the post office. all these things that people want to put on d.c. makes for interesting fiction. we find it very easy to believe there are forces behind the scenes controlling everything. it makes for interesting reading. so the three days of the condor was seven days of the condor and there could be a group that read books looking for plots of the cia and all this. i think that intergovernmental intrigue makes for fun reading. >> speaking of the deep state
and politics, you sent out a tweet in april that we want to show our viewers. saying if nobody else stepped up you would run for president against president trump. >> guest: that is born of incredible frustration. i'm a father, i have two children. you and i don't own the country. we are stewards, regardless of how we vote we are stewards of this republic. we need to hand down a stronger and for your nation to the next generation. we safeguarded and handed on. we are not doing a good job if were spending $1.3 trillion in an omnibus bill. if republicans could only control the house things with start happening. then only if the senate. now if we just put a republican in the oval office things would
change. i'm tired of listening to what used to be my political party. i don't want anything to do with the republicans anymore talking about fiscal responsibility. as someone who writes thrillers i'm very concerned about national security issues. the republicans control at all, they have congress, so they put out that budget the president signs it and that was reprehensible. your promise that would not happen. i did that tweet because i was so upset. i am not running for president. to run for president i'd have to get into the republican primaries. putting on a debate stage with donald trump and not being afraid to confront him and bring up the issues. but i have to be part of the republican party to do that and i don't want to be part of that party anymore. i go to the libertarian party and my friend was pushing me to
run and bring a little bit more hawkish foreign policy. i'm just focused on my thrillers. that's what i'm going to do. the old chinese curses me live in interesting times. they are interesting. >> is it occurs to be a conservative writer? >> i considered myself conservative when it comes to financial issues. not social issues. i have tons of gay friends, i believe the government should not tell you what to do nor how to do it with. i very much with hw bush, he had a great tweet during pride month and that's what he said the government should not tell you who to be in love with. so i'm concerned when they comes with debt and deficit. the rest is libertarian. how the government to be small and i want to be judged by my
neighbors. the closer you keep control and decision-making to the people it impacts the wiser the decisions will be. the federal government should not be telling a guy in my town what to do. as a writer i get painted with that brush. the i think people here is conservative. i got a terrible review in the washington post. it was about me, not my book. i've gotten great reviews on it. people who really read the books that i had somebody who only wanted to talk about politics and i thought it was interesting if you want to review my politics that's a profile piece on me. i hope you can put the writers politics aside. the pete person who did the review saw me in a certain light and decided that he would signal to his fellow travelers that there is not worthy because he
does not think and act like us. i think we have more common then he thinks we do. i think we could have a lovely civil time and figure out we agree on a lot. with all the toxicity and politics there's so much more that unites us and divides us. at the end of the day were americans. this idea that i can't talk to you because you didn't vote for trumper year voted for bernie or whatever it may be is silly. it isn't good or healthy. >> as a reader of breath or, nicholas has grown on me and i don't trust him. >> guest: good. nor does necklaces employer. >> host: i don't trust him.
>> guest: nicholas is a character who started off as a bad guy. he suffers from primordial dwarfism. he has brittle bones and they didn't think he would live but he has lived. so they say where does this character come from. they call him the troll. he's a little person who is a master and cyber. he has made his living blackmailing people to the purchase of top-secret intelligence. the place that he came from is not very exciting. i had my kids and we watched a lot of dora the explorer. there is a grumpy old troll who lives under a bridge and you have to figure out riddles to get across the bridge. my kids would ask me about that and in our neighborhood there was an actual little person and would see this person going to work every day very sharply dressed. and they said where do you think
this person works and for a character i love that troll under the bridge, if you did not have a lot of brawn or even a normal size height, what realm could you be successful in? i thought if it could happen between your ears, what might you do if you really have powerful intellect. that's where the troll came from. they've really developed a relationship with this person i think you are right not to trust him. >> host: let's take some calls. first time callers only today. that's your from mike who is calling in from nashville, tennessee. >> caller: i am a big fan and a smart guy. i am sorry to hear that you are not running for president and
you have great hair. i used to have hair like you. your first book and these are paige turner's, scott is skiing down the mountain with the president's daughter in his arms either being chased by an avalanche, where was that ski resort and how did you come up with that amazing idea? >> guest: you obviously are smart man. thank you for the compliments. that was in deer valley, ski resort. my wife and i asked poor newlyweds used to ski there. she picked up shifts on the weekend. it's a lovely resort. she was on call and they would show first of this.
>> host: rod is from new york. good afternoon spent. >> caller: good afternoon. thank you mr. thor. and thank you book tv, this is great. i want to ask mr. thor and his name influenced his sensibility in writing. i also want to suggest that for his next thriller he could do a reluctant author being pulled into a political campaign. you are very engaging personality. thank you very much for writing your great books. >> thank you for that.
it's funny, a lot of people ask me if brad thor is my real name. it is. way back in the 1800s the swedish government said, we have so many ericksons and -- because you would take your dad's name and add center dr. depending on your gender. the government said we can to that. you have to pick a name for your father and we had a great grandfather who said you were going to be thor. >> host: if you cannot get through on the phone lines, you could do that via social media. we will scroll through those as we go. this is a question from facebook. larry wants to know how many more hardback books do you envision? >> guest: great question.
many more with him. he's not going anywhere anytime soon. he's doing everything he can to stay in the field. you will enjoy seeing what he's up to. he still wants to be out in the action. there is no updates. we are at a standstill in hollywood. i took it big meeting on spymaster for some hollywood producers thought spymaster would be a great place to start. it up in the air. i don't, my chickens before they hatch. you cannot swing a dead cat in hollywood without hitting someone who has a million stories about movies that almost got me. back to the future is an incredible story about how long it took to get me. >> host: you put out about a book a year. when did you start working on
spymaster? it is talking about social media and the use of the russians and election disruption or propaganda disruption. >> guest: last summer. when i got off a book tour this time last year in july is when i started writing it. there was so much going on. he looked into what the russians were doing in eastern europe and i was fascinated. september 30 of this year we will celebrate, we will recognize the anniversary of the munich pack where hitler and mussolini got together and a chunk of czechoslovakia was seated to the nazis. it has very much the echoes of what happened with the crimean
peninsula. putin was saying he wants to protect and all of the stuff. history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme. were starting to see some shape of that. >> let's hear from dan in jackson heights new york. >> i read your stuff because a number of years i was involved in that area. i had the feeling that in the novel that i did there is an appreciation of how insightful the action is to feel that you are covering. and how the people who make things go or not the action people. and actually a lot of the people who started this i was wondering if you think you might be tucked
in and this whole thing. the other thing it's pretty much known that the brain is a habit and insight. it might be very interesting to show how much they appreciate actions in that field then exactly how much is habit and how much is inside. the insight is this specificity. until you really grasp of this and then apply it it's totally mental and very little physical. >> thank you. one of the things i have to say is one of my favorite film characters is from jackson height.
randy watson is a great film character, that's fascinating. i agree. i get to do a lot of training with people on the novels. there are a lot of things using weapons and they say you train like you fight and fight like you train. habits is important. you hit on something fascinating. the challenge for me would be how i make that exciting and how do i get people to turn the page to learn why it's important. it's a very interesting insight readers would enjoy. it's something i will file away. thank you for that suggestion. >> another theme, there's a lot of safehouses in the world, is there truth behind that? >> it depends. yes is something very necessary
and sometimes it's temporary set up for certain operation. it's a capabilities kit which is a suitcase with currency in some case for phones. we are back to murphy's law again, you have to expect murphy will show up at the worst possible time and it will throw the operation into chaos. if you're going to catch your breath for a few seconds that's helpful. >> heavy started work on the follow-up of spymaster? >> i have. there's a hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. douglas had a great quote and he said i love deadlines. and i miss my deadline on spymaster and i put the
wonderful people up against the wall. they really made it difficult for gave less time for editing and polishing. step in the real world was changing so fast. i wanted to be news that was about to happen. so my wife didn't like that. she did not like having me in my office seven days a week and working that hard. my family is incredibly supportive. if that's what it takes will support me my kids are my favorite waitstaff in the world. they will come over and give me a hug and say here's a hot meal i hope the book is going okay. the goal with the next one is to get it put to bed in the fall so i can have a lovely christmas and not have a last-minute run
to the store. >> i'm hoping to finish it late fall. >> the ending of spymaster is frustrating. >> you've made that clear. as i have told you and i will repeat for our viewers, it is what the news told me to do. i have no choice. i'm a fan and believer in personal responsibility. when the news says to do something i do not ignore her. if i second-guess too much, the muse takes a. it's a nightmare trying to find her. it's the first thing you and i talked about. i've done something, even if it made you angry i did something. i think there are other readers who have the same reaction.
there's a blogger that said the ending of spymaster is a jaw dropper of an ending. i'm hoping people like it and that they appreciate and excites them. if you're just like okay, book over than i haven't done my job. >> if people out there are brad thor fans and they follow through the secret service agent and cia operative, could you envision dumbledore in him and killing him off? >> there could be some real anger out there. >> i have no plan to do that.
i cannot imagine doing that without being sure the supporting cast to put together were enough to keep readers excited. it's really important for them to know when the release date is because they want to read it over vacation. i have no plans to kill hard beth all. i can see doing the spinoff book for two of the younger operatives and may be dealing with some of the stuff in the book and seeing how readers react to unpacking the characters. but he is still shooting bad guys so thank you for giving the world a collective -- there were a couple of insights where it
seems like you are promoting the successor. >> so hard back track some people i know and when i talk about what he has to do physically, i know people who are doing those things. so, it is real. he does wake up in the morning i need to pop some motrin to get his day going. i want the books to be exciting. they are short, crisp chapters. i need people to find it believable and relatable. there are some characters that i love that have never aged. he is always tracked with my age. i've slowed that down a little bit because i am not enjoying adding a year every year to my
life. it beats the alternative. it will be a combination of things. . . ly reed have been so positive how he is looking at balancing those things i think this is probably -- it depends on what the readers think, not me. hope i create one of the most engaging and revealing books but >> guest: this will end up being one of people's favorite out of the 18 that i have written. >> host: is hope just a real thing? >> guest: some call it a cocktail or hope sauce but it's a real thing. shenever you're on the airplane looking in the magazines and you see a cytogenetic at where the guy is bald, gray and he's ripped like the hulk. there is a lot of this going on and i have someone from seal team three take me
to football players and get them and it was amazing to see them what they were doing their physical therapy and special operations community realized a lot of these injuries the the players are getting is the same thing happening to seals and delta force guys and we should be combining the techniques for bringing the techniques or even better, can we bring our own operatives the train at the facility to rehabilitate -- you have a lot of time and money invested in these incredibly brave people and special operations community. the quicker and better you help them and they will return the field and get back out doing the business for a nation that needs to be done. with the physical therapist off and diet stuff going on there there's other places that are looking at what works and what performance enhancing drugs because there are no banned substances when it comes to fighting bad guys but if you
want to use steroids, use steroids. it's all other. there are illicit substances that you will not use like hard drugs and things like that but you see that with the bad guys. bad guys use [inaudible] and things like that. speed when the mumbai hotel attack happened those guys were up 448 or 36 hours and they were handfuls of speed going down there goal is. that's not what our guys do but if there's something in medical science that can give them an edge whether muscle mass or speed, ability to get on targets and far faster than the guy. fire on you, that's fair game and let's make our war fighters the absolute best they can be. >> host: john in michigan, good afternoon. you are on book to beat with author, brad thor. >> caller: that's an excellent segway to the question i was going to ask. the complication, i don't know if you call it competition
between mitchell and scott but has that ever been a thought in your mind? i know you're a fan -- >> guest: yeah, great question. vince has a wonderful character named mitch and vince and i were at the same publishing house and same publishing editor. i got to noven's before i ever got famous and he introduced me to my editor and he's a wonderful guy in good writer. -- get a lot of fans that and unfortunately vince passed a few years ago due to cancer and the gentleman is writing his books now, kyle mills, we are buddies. i knew kyle way before ever became a writer. my godfather and his dad were in the fbi together so it's an interesting question and there are no competition between me
and vince flynn. basically we shared a lot of the same readers because my books were an on-ramp to princes books nnd early in my career vince's books were an on-ramp to mine so it's always a nice overlap but a lot of fans would love to see a team up of mitch and scott. kyle would do it but at the end the day it comes down to how much time we have a year to write something and with princes estate agreed that they were okay to team us up. i have done something in a two thriller buddies and i think it was the 30th one year that we all write the others main character into one of our books. i get it for jim rollins and deberry and every once in a while someone pops up on utcebook or twitter is a steve barry, put your character one of
his books i said no, i will sue you. it's an easter egg for fans who love the genre to see my character or other writers one of my bookshi. >> host: one of your seals at one time was reading brad meltzer. >> guest: yeah, i love brad meltzer. if you ever get a chance to interview him, he's one of the smartest and nicest guys. of the people i have met in my industry along with steve barry and david morale, is one of the reasons i wanted to becomet another so many good people and neltzer is at the t top of the list. meltzer was at the department of human security when i was working on the inlet web cellular. >> host: we talk about that in two seconds. brad meltzer will be on our special fiction in depth addition in december. if you go to booktv.org we've interviewed brad meltzer several times. you can find that online @booktv .org. what was the red unit? >> guest: in the aftermath we
talk about 911 and before the 911 commission report ever came out the federal government realized that what happened on september 11 was largely due to a failure of imagination on our part. one of the criticisms is there were always fighting in the rearview mirror expecting the next right to look like the last bite and when the department of homeland security was stood up they enacted a program there called the analytic rental unit and the idea was let us all not sit around inside the beltway talking about what the next attack might look like let's bring in creative thinkers from outside the beltway, people who don't think like us at all but have interesting mines.ba brad meltzer, me, michael bay, who did the transformer movies and they brought us in and put us in rooms and probably the most forward thinking federalen program i've ever seen and i'm a guy that scene limited government, make government as
small as possible and it's one of the best things i've ever seen our government do. they said we'll talk about different scenarios and if you are alone terrorist and you had these resources will would you do? if you were a group, what targets you would be interested in and it was a big think tank on steroids. they paris with people from different agencies across theth government spectrum. that is what would happen and i said if you have this, what might you do. i tell people that it's the las vegas of government programs because what happens in the sental program stays in the rental program. i had to agree i can ever use any of it for my books. for me the son of someone whose life had been made in the united states marine corps, marines made without the guy he is.
he saw the world with the college on the g.i. bill but for my country to ask me to be of service, not by picking up a rifle but by using my brain to come in and help think was incredible honor for me. in fact, i set up a mile away and i don't want a. diem or stipend but i'll come into this one 100% voluntarily on my own pocket. that's what i did. i remember one attack that happened somewhere in the world and it was a scenario that i have been working on in the red zone and i called my team leader and said can i talk about this now that it's in the news he said no, you can't. the only thing they ever let out publicly, the stuff they would wargame was paris targeting communities who were about to be hit by a hurricane. if you think about people being piled into shelters and emergency vehicles be marshaled away from the eye of the storm so they could rush in and those being targets with the only thing that ever made public and ethical scenario i can tell you the scenarios go even further than that caps off. to get credit people together and to channel them and not let them go off and while directions like you herding cats.
they were incredible with how they handle this in a gamy much sith in the steps they're taking to keep our country safe and keep america safe, both home and abroad, it was unbelievable thing to be asked to be part of. >> host: letter from jeremy and massachusetts. jeremy, go aheados. >> caller: hello. yes, i wanted to ask a question. i want to know if it was divisive or wrong to treat out that he wanted to know what [inaudible] >> host: what was the tweet you sent out? >> guest: the gentleman has it a little run. he's asking if it was divisive saying i offered to buy george jim zimmerman a gun after his trial. when seconds count, please are only minutes away and afters george zimmerman was acquitted the department of justice under
eric holder said we will not give him his gun back. they were slow walking investigation on their own insane he will not get his gun back. i said here's a guy who's been acquitted by the jury of his peers yet now the debarment of justice it's almost like double jeopardy. here's the department of justice refusing to give the gun back and if they will not give you back one, i will pay for one for him. i'll buy him one essentially. whether it's a gift card he can use or can't strawman purchase a gun for george zimmerman but i can understand that and intimidation might be that divisive but for my position i thought he was a guy who needs protection even more. he had tons of death threats and i don't believe a the government should be able to keep their boot on the neck of an american citizen was already gone through the justice system, due process. there is no -- they were staying at the department of justice there may have been a civil rights violation. well, nothing found in his trial
in florida that said that was there. my thing is to permit of justice want to keep that gun and i believe he that there was no plegal reason should not have one. that's the position i took. some people do not like it and i get it but that's where i was coming from him a big believer in the second amendment and people should be empowered to protect themselves, their property and family. >> host: were talking with best-selling novelist and thriller writer, brad thor. andrea is in washington. >> caller: hello, this is andrea thorson. the last name is thorson and i married, i'm half norwegian and my husband is half norwegian and i always make jokes that my
parents, my dad would only let me be marry someone who had norwegian blood in him.do last week i was downtown walla walla and i was on a bus and your name was listed as a new author and i just saw your name and i am thorson so brad thor and then i turned the tv on and you are so delightful and anywal you i finish madeleine albright's book on fascism and that's pretty heavy reading for me. i like mysteries.
anyway, i was delighted to see this you this morning and thank you so much for writing a book tnd i will read all your books. thank you. >> guest: mrs. thorson, thank you. you have an absolutely lovely last name. i'm glad to hear that and i tell you, peter, one of the funny things that she said she was on a bus and saw my name is a new author, a lot of people ask me about the reading devices and do i like him. it has one big pro and one big con. the big pro of an e-readerr whether kindle or ipad is that when everyone gets under my books they can automatically finish it. you got that right there and that's the pro. the con is you don't know whether anyone is reading when they read on an e-reader device. you pass someone at the beach or the lake and i think we've lost the fun of the people read a book because i use to get on
airplanes see people and say that the first time i've seen that with vince flynn book and how do you like it, are you enjoying it? i see it everywhere. i'm always glad to hear from readers and find out how new readers have discovery. if there was bus advertising in walla walla, washington, thank you. >> host: your name when you look at your book titles is as big and not better bigger than the book title. >> guest: yeah, i hate to apply this to books but everything seems to be a brand. it's nike or whatever and i want that to be ruggedized for folks when they see it because my job is to get better with each book because the people who read my books are my bosses and those are the people i work for. with each book i strive to do better the last one and you are buying a brad thor book for a certain experience. my promise is it'll always be my best work. >> host: is there a formula you use for the experience? outline or something?
>> guest: there are hallmarks andpa i like the short crisp cinematic chapters but the only thing i do and it's just to tell me where i am in the book is i will do a microsoft spreadsheet and i have columns so it's the chapter number, where it's happening and what time of day it was happening in the chapter and colorcode those so i can say expensive chapters since we last saw scott horvath. and maybe it's time to bring him back. the changes every book. if i brought it and laid it out you would see a different rhythm for each book. that is the music guiding me. it's hard work and i thought it was dorothy parker who said i don't like writing but i like having written. that's a good line from dorothy parker. good writing, someone once said, good reading is darn>> hard writing. >> host: you just started your book tour today with us and we appreciate that. you enjoyed the book tour? do enjoy meeting bands? >> guest: one of the best parts.
i got the book done and i can go out and celebrate. the big thing is set a few minutes ago the fans of the people i work for so this is my job review. i'm going out on the road and how well the book does and how nice the reviews are on amazon and good read, that's part of my job performance but i like to go out and meet readers because i was reader long before i was ever a writer. if you are a reader we have a shared language and if we love books it doesn't matter how you vote for what you do for your living but we can talk about books forever and not have to get into anything else. people who love to read our passionate about reading. for me it's a book club in every different city and i get to talk about my books and ask what they are reading and what is it like and what do they want to see more of so for me, it's fun. i know there are others to get to a point where they don't go out onre the road but it's fun. it's tough in a different city every day and i'm away from my
family and my readers are my second family so great to be out to see them. >> host: how many people walked up to you and said i found you at an airport? >> guest: that's a big one. airports are a big place. i had that happen a lot. a friend of mine before he passed away use to accost people in airports and put me on the phone if he saw them reading one of my books. it used to drive me crazy and i'm sure people thought he was insane. stranger walks up and hands you a phone and says you need to talk to the person right now it's like a set up for a family send movie but it always been kidnapped and that's a big way that people discover me what the biggest way is word-of-mouth. no better marketing mechanism for another for someone that you trust hands you a book or it's one of the nicest things -- >> guest: mike in new york. good afternoon. >> caller: my question is i know
that brad is a fan of old hollywood and i've heard him say that a couple times. we keep hearing all about who he would want to playo horvath in the modern era so i was just curious if you could have anybody from classic hollywood do it, who would he have? >> guest: awesome question. i've never been asked and i can tell you right now without, steve mcqueen. the young steve mcqueen. he was a marine he had all the right, nation -- one of the things as i talk to hollywood and thank you for such a great question. as i talked to hollywood about current actors, one of the things i keep coming up with is the intelligence level of the actor. it can't just be a pretty face. one of the things i found matt damon so believable as jason bourne in the movies -- by the way, quick fact. when jasonon bourne goes to a safety deposit box in switzerland and pulled out a
passport that's my exact birth date. i people make fun of that all the time and it's august 21, 1959 but the thing that cemented bourne for me and i had read those books as a kid was how smart matt damon is. you can see it in his eyes. there's great actors out there that i would never want because i think they are pretty facesau and not intelligent. i always stated that was the smarts that you would have to have to play horvath. >> host: i want to show a tweet that came out a few years back and what are we looking at? >> guest: that happened about this time last year in the aftermath of bridge gate when the beaches were shut down in new jersey and chris christie decided to go, the governor of new jersey has a couple houses, governors mansion but a beach house and i think that was over for the joy we can and chris christie was on the beach with family and friends and the way
we came to doing this he was not reading my bookk but i was on te phone with the guy who does my website and we were watching this unfold in real time and he said tor me and said you know what governor christie is missing? and he said a great book and he said yes, what's amazing is only a handful of journalist reach out to me on twitter to say is a surreal picture or a photoshop like ap and reuters reached out but it's amazing how many ticket as absolutely legit. in fact, there was a writer for the boston herald that actually hated christie's guts and said, not only is christie on the beaches but he's reading a trash novel and then the guy tax me in his tweet. a he put in parentheses hello, brad thor. he's not only taking a shot at christie but at me. i guarantee he did not -- i tweeted back and i said the line from strikes, right now, princess. it was a joke.
i's amazing how people were so upset about christie that of course he's sitting there reading a book as if nothing is going on. we had more fun and watching and my most successful tweet and that thing went mega viral. it's my sense of humor but is that people are way too serious. >> host: brad thor, another theme in your books and has been increasing over the years and the use of technology and social media. >> guest: yet. it's a big thing. focused on technology and did stuff in my book, full black, but blacklist is when i really drove down and there is a double edge sword and i've got a problem and i don't like edwards noted. i don't like bradley manning or reality winner. starting with snowden the idea that these 20 something -year-old kids will decide what should be in the public round and what should it is not up for you to decide if it if you think there's that much malfeasance go
to rand paul. if you take something that senator rand paul, bigger champion for privacy, this idea that you'll dump it and put all the stuff out there, i don't like that. at the same time, i don't like intrusive spine. i don't like the idea that the nsa is set up a facility in utah to store all the metadata and i'd rather the tax breaks given to companies like verizon and sprint and things like them to hold on to the metadata longer and they have to give it up, you get a warrant from a judge. like the government doing that. if they are going to monitor phone calls even a computer monitoring for keywords if there's a keyword hit, will they listen to the next one calls or does i mean the keyword hit tell them they can go back and listen to the phone call that just happened and are those being recorded? i have a concern about this and how certain technologies -- i've been estimated by how if they're
looking for bad actors, together they can look at your water bill. if someone is flushing the toilet a lot more at your house, you must have more people there. let's look at your group of friends. this guy bill in poughkeepsie is not pushing his toilet and his water consumption has gone down. let's look at his credit cards. he's been buying gas at gas stations and on his way to dc. there's always ways that technology can be used and in the brookings institute they did a fascinating study, it wasn't of us government the government outside the united states and what they found was the cost of data stored came down the amount of surveillance governments were doing on their citizens was going up. one of the big problems europe having with cctv camera footage been helpful is that you create a proxy curatorial time machine for the government to go back and there's a big case decided in the last week in michigan about whether or not the gentleman itself on tower
records could be used to place them in context c and the proximity of the crime to the police do that without securingm a warrant so there's a lot of individual issues and i also think there's a lot of good as far as preventing things from happening but there's old butit your praise and get situated to ben for in which a lot of people say is frequent did not say which was those who would trade a little security for a little added to the little freedom for added scary deserveh neither and will lose both. you know, frank church warned us and on the today show back in the 70s after the commission that he had overstayed he said very soon we will get to appoint surveillance wise and this is in the 70s, where the government has the power to know everything be a telegrams and phone calls and mail and the government ever turns its giant listening ears and from looking outside the united states to inside that'll
be the rubicon we have crossed and no getting back from it. what happened after 911? those years got turned in. is under the banner of safety and we had a tremendous crap track record of keeping america safe and has not been perfect and have been some attacks there has not been anything like 911. that is really a trade-off that we need to constantly be discussing a citizens. where is the balance? things semi- protect us any redskin game today is the same thing that could go towards running up by son or yours at some point in the future and their scary technology planenv that is incredibly invasive in my opinion should not exist. there is enough of a public safety and i'm worried about things that could be abused. that's my biggest fear. >> host: scott horvath, the protagonist, has been using facial recognition technology. >> guest: yes, he has. it's interesting so not only this horvath uses us to get bad guys but also, in real life, creates a problem for our intelligence.
if you fail to get a fake passport but now everybody has the cameras and doing facial recognition it makes it to the gold to slip in and out under assumed identity. it is a tool but there is also that potential for abuse and that's where i'm concerned about. private citizens having their liberty infringed on by the government without due process. >> host: next call for brad thor, jim in brooklyn. >> caller: hello. i'm a big fan and have been a big fan since lyons of lucerne. i was in florida in 2002 and i was wondering why on your book tours you never stop in new york city? [laughter] >> guest: thank you. from your lips to my publishersy ear. they seem to think that getting enough horvath fans together in new york might be tough but we pack out our events when we go to new jersey. they see it as downtown manhattan on a friday will they
get enough people there and i like to try it and jim, if you will agree to come to that event because i'm guessing you would i will see my publisher tomorrow so i will tell them that i had a very public request on the tv to do a signing in new york city and i like to give it a try. even if just jim shows up will have a great time. i've always said that from the beginning. get these rock 'n roll musicians to get upset if the stadium is not full. it's not the fault of half the people that came the seats, those people are there for a show. i've always thought my readers, people come to my book signing to get the same energy and enthusiasm and show that would be there if there were a thousand times more people in the room. i will use jim as a lever of my publisher will be if we cannot get something together. >> host: you think in the acknowledgments, carolyn reedy, president and ceo of simon & schuster and your editor, emily.
how long has she been your editor and she has her own imprint? >> guest: she does. interesting story. on the handyman we shared, my wife and i shared an overnight train ride from munich to amsterdam. i had my travel show on public travel and untrained travel and i wanted a private compartment on my honeymoon. our show is being underwritten by a real pass from white plains, new york and as a wedding present they gave us as many overnight train rides as he wanted. great way to save money if you're on a budget. the last leg of our trip we cannot get a private compartment the matter how hard i try. i drove my white crazy because every time at the train station i said has there been a cancellation. we ended up going and then at oktoberfest i learned the hard way that everyone was right. much stronger in germany. ... dreading we would have miserable
compartment mates and i turned tout to be a lovely brother and sister from georgia, and i we have a shared love of book >> we have a shared level of books and shared my which. the sister was a huge lever books and we spent almost the entire night talking about books. i had told her sure fans of my tv show and they love to travel when i got vacation. we pulled into the station she said what will you do when you get home? and i said i have told my wife i am going to write a book and get it published. she gave me her business card and said if i can help you, let me know. she eventually got it family, one of the top editors in the business. emily has been my editor and publisher now that she has her own imprint. she's been my publisher for
several years. >> host: david in ohio, hello. >> hello, i enjoy your comments. have a question, what would you call your favorite book that you wrote, they are probably all like your children, which one were you pleased about writing? >> are you a brad thor reader? >> yes, i have read some. >> host: what is your favorite? >> caller: have it read that much. >> thanks for calling in. first of all, you took cap my answer because i was set there like my children and how do you pick your favorite child. to be honest, this sounds like a made up answer, my favorite is always the one i am currently working on. david who i love living to tell
people he's rainbows daddy. it's lessons learned from a lifetime of writing. they should not talk about the subject matter or anything there currently writing. when you do that you take the energy away. so, i get really excited about the next book. that's what i'm working on but if i have to say it was published, it is spymaster. that one is the hardest i have to write. i raise the bar so high for myself like what i want to do a character development and story, i took risks that i did not know how fans would react to. i did not know where the edge was of the internal struggle
people really felt like that in his character. they better understood him. a lot of action in the book but the human struggle the internal struggle as well as the extern external. >> you write about current events going on in the world. do you certainly think russia is a threat? >> i do. i think one of the things that's interesting particularly with the nato angle of the book is an attack on one nato members attack on all. that is only been invoked once and we have invoked it. we asked our partners to come fight in afghanistan. one of my underlying questions is, if one of the smaller nato
members got attack, would we support them? where's america to weary? it's important to me that people understand i try to make my politics fictional. it's not about the trump administration or obama administration, certain things are happening in the world, the timing is unbelievable that president trump will go to the nato summit in a few weeks and this idea of, what america agreed to get in another war in europe to protect it country that most americans cannot find on a map. probably some americans have not heard of these countries. if putin rolled in and took them it would be very difficult to get them back. what would that mean for nato. if he can weaken us and we cannot nato alliance, he thinks that's good for him.
he wants to reconstitute the old soviet union and wants the breakaway sovereign nations back. the fact that we let him take the crimean peninsula that only encouraged hitler to do more. that is my worry about putin. we will see history maybe not repeat, but right. >> if somebody picks up spymaster, the discussions about nato, will they learn some true history of nato? >> guest: my job is to entertain you. bulk in the hand, toes in the sand. i don't want it to be heavy, i wanted to be fun, easy and skip and across the waves. you think i only wanted to read one chapter but you wrote read 12. that's the goal of the book. if as you just asked you close the book and say wow, i learned a little bit and it did not feel like i was learning things, i
have some fans who love to deep dive on my books and read with their laptops open. they search them up and say wow it exists. that is the cherry on top. you will close it smarter. it's not going to feel like you're getting a lesson. it was just a part of the mechanics of what was happening. >> i find myself opening google maps what about the picking of names. you have a lithuanian intelligence operative, was that on purpose, the first president after the freedom was lance. >> there's a lot of stuff that goes on that's intentional. that was. because there is an air base there that used to house and
aircraft and they were worried about a bomber that could drop nukes and it was much later that we realized it wouldn't work because it cannot carry enough fuel to get back home. that was intentional. sometimes i put in people i know. i have mike and tyler in there. there's two who are named after my children. i get uncomfortable questions at book signings were people say do you think chastens phone or will ever hook up and it's never gonna happen, i could not write that. i could not write those two characters getting together. there many things i do intentionally. i almost names a polish character in the book after the polish king. it's an interesting part of
history and i'm dealing with questions about maintaining western civilization. he had such a role to play in a critical point in european history. that can be too heavy-handed. i appreciate the fact that you caught a subtle one. it's nice to know that people appreciate that. the names oftentimes have meeting. >> we continue with john. >> caller: mr. thor, i would like to thank you for your books. my question is, my father was a pow mia in siberia russia during world war ii. his plane was shot down. for 50 years it was top-secret. my question is, would it be a good idea to have a co-author writer to help write the story? also, my father's crew was the
windy city for the b-29s of the 20th air force. there's a show on the history channel about my father's plane, plus the fact that there is a picture of my father's plane taken by a journalist in the air show 1947. thank you for your comments be to there's so many great stories out there. i get asked a lot of times about is this a story you would be interested in working on? it's probably one of the greatest compliments you could be paying the someone loves your writing enough to say i would like to share personal story that i think would excite readers. to end up in siberia, it sounds like a fascinating story. my problem is, i'm on track for a book a year wish simon & schuster and i've sign multiple contracts. i don't have the bandwidth. when you wrote two books and
that wa a lot. for mean to maintain the quality and keep getting better every i told my editor, emily i said it's going to take as much runway as it is for the plane to lift off. i won't know how much runway i need until the plane has lifted off. the harder i worker the more runway am looking at. my wife said let's get the plane on the tarmac as soon as you get off book tour. john, encourage you to find someone, even if it's a ghostwriter to work with to tell your dad story. if it moves you that much it will move other people. unfortunately i don't have the time to work on it. >> from twitter, this is scott. brad, i'm a long time frustrated writer, what is the best way now
to get an agent. >> there's something called the writer's guide to literary agents. you can order it from your store, go to amazon, it's available. it's like a telephone directory. it will show you agents looking for new authors and what areas they're looking for. agents will tell you they only want to be queried one at a time. meaning you sent to agent number one in the right to they replied to. if it takes that agent three months to get back until you know then you have to go through 12 agents that's three years out of your life. i say pick the five to ten best if they're good agents still see year talent and snap you up. they should have to compete for
you. >> you mentioned earlier the athena project, where did that come from? >> you brought brought up the concept of these women in my novels. i told you there base some people i work with. i also am the father of a beautiful and talented young woman and i wanted to set a characters that would appeal to my daughter. the athena project was about this team. the theory is when you put beautiful women into the field even the toughest men, men often shut off the threat part of their brain. beauty is not perceived as a threat. there's a lot of stuff you can do and achieve through women. also at a bar, at a refugee camp, it is half spike half operative. this is been talked about
quietly about going to the female ironman competition and tapping these women on the shoulder and saying how about giving up sports and serving your country. they do exist. i want to be the guy who wrote the book on it. i need to write another one. fans love it. it's a matter of that balance between doing a book every year and may be a need folks on can i get a quarter of one done before the end of the year. >> what is your approach to sex and bad language? >> there are two separate issues for me. i don't think sex is necessary in the books. i can hint it's about to happen and we kind of fade to black black, i don't think it needs to be described. not that i'm approved, social
libertarian i don't have a religious or any other issue about sex and books, don't mind it. i think leaving it to the imagination is the sexiest thing you can do but i also respect that i have some readers who don't want to see it there. i don't have anybody saying you're not put enough sex in the books but there are people who say it's too much. the language is one thing where i get a pushback from some fans who don't like it. i tried to explain i respect that you don't like the language. i'm trying to replicate the speech that happens. there is funny given people hand gestures using certain words and phrases that have salty language. i'm being authentic, not gratuitous.
>> we want to show you some video here and this is our author guest, brad thor talking about the books he read and use while doing research for his most recent book, spymaster. >> i wanted to share with you some of the fascinating book saving, in addition to those as i was doing research for spymaster that comes out on jul. the world of espionage, of recruiting spies and running spies is fascinating. it requires exceptional leadership, and i wanted to share with you a few of the books. i think they're fantastic. whether or not you are in a leadership capacity and are interested in how organizations work and how to inspire people or whether it's just spies in general, you will love these books for both reasons.
let's start with the great game by frederick hits. the book was fascinating. looked at some of the greatest spy novels ever and compared them with how the world of espionage works. he's a former intelligence officer. a good perspective to bring to what fiction authors like me get right and sometimes what we get round and how the real world of espionage works. this is the top of my stack. this book ties into the last book i'm going to share with you. this book, called the handbook of spice for the handbook for spies is written in the 1940s. an englishman who is recruited into soviet intelligence and how they set up their networks it's
a fascinating book. it's tough to find. i had to scramble to get my copy of it if you are interested in how a real intelligence network runs and how hard it is to keep something like that going, i highly recommend alexander foot, his handbook for spies. another book that i read that's amazing, talk about the bravery over men and women in uniform and what they have to overcome in the field. it's amazing, great plans for combat last until first contact and then immediately you have to change, rearrange what you're doing. the assignment absolutely captivated me.
a good friend went the book to me. i was thrilled to learn about incredible operations run by the precursor to the cia. something called the oss. this is all about real personal courage, the ability to take adversity and turn it to your benefit, it's fascinating accounts particularly what was happening in northern italy and world war ii as they tried to shut down nazi supply lines. their operations a very few of which went according to plan and how the operatives had to change up their plans and what it hooked to wreak crew partisan retaliates to work with us and keep them motivated throughout the war. it's an awesome book. the next when i read was comrade jay.
by the way the brenner assignments is by patrick k o'donnell. the brenner assignment. another book i read while researching spymaster, these are all nonfiction was comrade jay. sans told secrets of the master spy in america after the end of the cold war. it was an amazing book. not only how the russian kept himself hidden from his own intelligence service but what he had to do to keep his own networks in place the management skills and personal attributes he needed to have to be a successful spymaster. you will love the book. i wish the subject was still a live. i would've loved to have met him and interview him. i think he would've been a fascinating man to talk to.
now, i will wrap up with one of the most fascinating spymaster's i have no. read carlton, in my thrillers is based on this gentleman. this is due his book called the spy for all seasons. it's amazing, he was an incredible american and spymaster, this is the story of dewey's life, it reads like a thriller. and you learn about what it takes to be successful in the world of espionage. many things we need to be successful in our day-to-day lives. whether it's managers are small business owners, they're all fabulous and not places you might think to go to. we have seals and delta force guys writing phenomenal management leadership books.
it's fun to dip into the world of espionage and see what we can take into it. this is my stack. i will post a list of these books are where you can find them. i hope the video is helpful for you. thank you. >> that is a bit of research you have gone on there. that is part of what i love about my job. i can wreak great books, particularly nonfiction and channel it into what i'm writing now. i had a very nice recognition from politico. they name me one of the 50 most influential people in politics. one of the reasons they said was because i have been creating the cold war thriller for a new era of conflict. that was a compliment. they recognize and government and beyond.
i like to take things that i think are important and read those two leaves. and then put it in a thriller so when it happens in the news you can say that thor guy, i read that spymaster. >> to other thriller, national security writers we have had on david baldacci and david ignatius, do you read them? >> i do. david ignatius i like a lot. not only read his fiction but his nonfiction. the other is a good storyteller. i sat at the dinner where he spoke but have not met him in person. i think it was david's book the director that i did a blurb on. i thought it was a fabulous movie. great stuff. >> some of the authors use say are some of your favorites
include ken follett, stephen king, sidney sheldon. >> a lot of people don't remember sidney sheldon. i went to school in paris my junior year and was able to find a fabulous bookstore called shakespeare and company. georgia ran it was an amazing guy. i was able to get my hands on some sidney sheldon books. doomsday conspiracy was one of my favorites. i was really excited about his writing and how he did it. sheldon led me to reading david morel. he wrote some great thrillers. he wrote some romance you type things and incredible thrillers. he dictated them. had us do not for in his office and he dictated his novels.
>> it can is a historical fiction writer. >> has such a fantastic book. and how you take as the backdrop, hundreds of years to build a cathedral and then tell those stories and make it riveting, that would be so my bucket list. his book was given to me by young tourists why i was on my honeymoon with my wife. he suggested pillars of the earth and bag of bones. that's what kicked me off with ken and stephen king. we traded books on a boat. >> into things that brad thor mentioned, we have visited shakespeare and company in paris and did a profile of the bookstore. if you type in shakespeare and company in our search you can
watch that online. we have also interviewed can folic and you can watch both of those interviews online. were talking with novelist and thriller writer brad thor. 202408 in the pacific time zones. a reminder for this program first time colors to book to be only. we will cycle through our social media addresses. you can make a comment or ask a question as well. i'm going to read this facebook comment that we got from grego gregory. only because you have talked about this and the influence of the past, but he wants to know how the authors parenting influence the personality and character that you have now.
what does mr. thor think his parents did right and wrong? >> what a great question. my parents instilled in us a sense of responsibility. and duty, patriotism and kindness, and also they were both entrepreneurs. there is a lot of entrepreneurship flashing around. my parents got divorced when i was nine years old. it's always interesting, my brother lived with my dad and i lived with my mom. they both had different styles which probably led to the divorce. but it was interesting, my mom was a brilliant woman and put a
lot of emphasis on creativity, and intuition. my dad, the marina super tough guy and nose to the grind stone, used to watch them do cold calls. it was incredible learning experience to watch them say if you get a know that just means the yeses that much closer. so enduring a sweater this. even the seahawks knew that the seals were not a sure thing. so i think they did a great job in teaching us love of country, responsibility a citizen and also i grew in one of the times of american history.
a non- believable time for music and fashion. i grew up in this time where my dad was born in 1939 it was incredible abundance in the united states. you could be anything you wanted and it was reinforced at home. even the arts weren't looked at as a career path if it was something i believed in and loved the money would follow. do what you really believe in and everything else will fall behind that. >> host: your mother passed? >> guest: my mother has been suffering from severe dementia. she seven trouble recognizing me as her son and all that stuff. that's played into it a little bit and what would happen if you
have this great cia operative. on there is a race to distract this. and also to protect him. and could someone with all of the secrets that were still highly sensitive could they speak to a caregiver when they shouldn't? there's some catharsis on that happens. it appears in the book a lot, there is a time when there's multiple references to red bull in my book the apostle. i have never had a red bull until someone put one in my hand in afghanistan. we would have cases in it to keep us awake. there's a little bit of working through my stuff that happens in the novels. >> in your father? >> guest: my dad is doing well in chicago. he's still has his business and his loving his life.
>> has he ever been approached and asked, the last name thor,. >> first name brad also. so on the airplane he's been a big fire for years. he sits in the front and then they say brad thor and there's a brad thor bucket on the seat next to him. >> it back to your mother, another theme in your book is the sixth sense that agent seemed to have. >> i am a big believer in that man is the only animal that ignores their intuition. we have a rule in my house which is the only time you can use earbuds is when you're in the house. you don't get to shut off your hearing outside. i remember i knew some folks in times square where there is a
horrible killing where the man had driven his car down the sidewalk and it injured people in times square. i had a talk with my children saying it happened quickly, it may not have made the difference if you had earbuds in a but if you realize are you had a fraction of a second to hear what of it made a difference? if you talk to people who put their lives on the line they talk about not believing in coincidence and things like this. and fleming was the one that first time his chance, -- the third time is enemy action. there's a certain thing that you can't teach. i think that comes from trusting intuition. >> let's hear from georgia in wayne pennsylvania. you are on.
>> hello. >> this is georgia. i have always wanted to have the opportunity to ask another if there's a number of words he has to use in the book? i find i'm a big reader and author seem to do a lot of fill in. >> that's a great question. thank you for that question. most authors have a contract where there is a target of words. i cannot speak for others but i think when you have a contract being paid by your publisher they don't want you to turn in a book that's only five pages. so they have to say there's a certain realm you need to operate within. my love of tom clancy books, the one thing i would skim is when there a lot of details about technology. my dad was convinced that quincy
was paid by the word. he had read an article in the 80s and was convinced it's by the word. and i thought that's probably the worst way to incentivize an author because you get a lot of fill in. leonard always says take out the parts that people will skip. if you read my books i hope you won't find that. a lot of that comes down to the relationship of an author and editor. stephen king says you have to be willing to kill your darlings. you can't be so married to something in the book that you refuse to take it out. some people i imagine fight and don't take it out. >> stan from missouri. >> hello. i hit the wrong line. i apologize.
d in north carolina. >> hello and thanks for receiving my call. i'm a great reader and i read most of your books. recently you have aged steve. why are you aging him and also bring in the other, the secondary characters little higher than he is? >> guest: so why am i aging my main character and bring it in the secondary characters? >> your obviously reading the books closely. one of my favorite fiction characters who is frozen as dirt. clive decided he was going to do james bond underwater. so that clive describes it.
hardback describes a lot of people i know in real life who are doing it. i've heard about but i can talk about it i've heard about fascinating operations the u.s. has been involved in, very high risk and high reward operations. in a couple of my books i brought together the secondary characters not only to reflect the calm robbery but also to showcase another part. how does he deal with leadership? he likes and does he really like to run a team? is being pushed on him. how does he react? when i throw some curveballs it's because i want to test some character. hopefully that's revealing some things you didn't know about.
>> host: what is the toughest part for you? is it tying the pieces together? coming to a conclusion? >> guest: i think the toughest part is getting started. authors are incredible procrastinators. there's always something that will pop-up that seems important. may be in a consumer of news, i can convince myself that what's breaking is so important and i have done a lot of commentary on cable television and other outlets where i can say need to focus on this it takes you away from your work. that's probably the hardest thing for me. i talk about getting the train rolling on the tracks. moving forward. getting all of my storylines get
going and forward momentum. you have to pull all of the cars out of the station. once i get it moving, it gets easier. the hard part is getting started. >> host: why are you living in nashville? >> guest: we moved to nashville four years ago last month, from chicago. i was born and raised in chicago. my dad is from the south side of chicago if you put that question to my children, they will tell me freedom. and i will say i'm an economic refugee. they have a balanced budget, they're running a surplus and no state income tax. they have great schools, were back to be in a fiscal guy and having a responsible government is important. i was paying higher property
taxes in chicago. i was getting less and less enjoyment because the violence was getting to the point i said don't take them near the zoo. it's like two people on a stranded island starving. their answer to all of the families in illinois was not to change what was going on but to tax the citizens more. i thought, i'm contributing to this by staying. you can move from state to state and be in an author i can move my job and family. it's hard to do that to start over. your children have to make new friends but it was the right move for us.
the politicians have their hands is so deep in the pocket tie their shoes for me. and i thought, i'm working harder and harder just to keep up with more more taxes. thought i'd rather save that for myself. that's a great thing. >> ballots here from stan and lee summit missouri. >> caller: hello. i first heard of un i read an interview review in the and spe bulletin. it's been a couple of decades ago. i have been a fan ever since. i love your technical accuracy. you would never have scott working on that. my question is simple, i use
still a a pe and if so in what state? >> it stands for national society of professional engineers. >> i was never part of that. i'm professional engineer. maybe someone spoke nicely with one of my books. i appreciate you like the technical accuracy. i have to tell you, i got things wrong in the beginning of my career. i talked about the smell of cordite hanging in the air. i made mistakes as far as firearms or concern. what was nice as i have people say, we can help you. let's take you shooting. let's get you with a certified instructor who can explain the safety issues. i started doing training and
i'll still hear from someone today that finds the first edition paperback and have corrected the things that were wrong. i have someone complain and i wrote it and have to own it. but i work very hard now that to get those things wrong. i worked very hard now to make sure it's right. >> and spymaster you think it james ryan in the acknowledgme acknowledgment. >> james ryan is a friend of mine that has done some very selfless and dangerous things on behalf of the united states. >> that's about as big, that's what he said i could put in the books bob from chicago, good
afternoon. >> caller: hi there, brad. i'm an old and good friend of you and your books. i just can't wait to get my hands on spymaster. i have learned over the years to start reading it. i know not going to put it down until i'm finished with it. i just wanted to make a comment i see a reading list and i see this about crimea. i'd like to recommend a couple books. one is called internationalist written by two professors. anne hathaway and shapiro who deal with international law. crimea has been taken by russia but it has not been recognized by me nation in the world. it's an interesting take and i think you would enjoy.
more exciting was a true book, a nonfiction book which i probably learned about on book tv. was called red notice. he's from chicago and that's not what the book is about. he was responsible for the majewski act. that's exciting than any spy novel. he's still around inactive. i want to thank you again, it's good to see you on television. what you said about your dad is right, he is a tough, hard guy and i love him to. >> just before we hang up, is this bob asked. >> yes. >> guest: you can e-mail me those book titles.
>> host: who is bob? >> his name is a bob sharp man. he's a wonderful guy and long time supporter. what i love about bob is that in chicago we had had a re- creation of maxine's restaurant in paris. when the owner died she left it to the city of chicago. once month they would bring in this cabaret act. on the cabaret fan of the great american songbook they would have one act once month they would cater it and bob would be there. we would listen to this great music together. >> another great american city is paulie. >> and brad, it's interesting listening to.
you sound like a smart and interesting writer, i'm wondering what book i should start within your list. i wanted to make a comment and that i just heard your comments about george zimmerman and you are interested in replacing his gun. i really can't support you for that. i don't think i can support you as an author. >> host: who are some of the authors you enjoy reading? >> caller: i read patterson, non- blinking. >> okay patterson, we'll go with that one. and your position as a fellow american i respect how you feel. i want to thank you for saying it so nicely. if you don't want to read my
books because of my position i understand that. i believe in civility and we can agree to disagree. i thank you for calling in. >> host: 's short form for viewers just tuning in what were your comments? >> my comments were that after george zimmerman was acquitted and found not guilty, the department of justice decided to launch their own investigation. they decided not to give george his gun back. he was being further prosecuted after being acquitted i use the term they were you keeping the boot on his now. the guy needed to protect himself. i tweeted out a not offer that if the department of justice would do that i would help buy him a gun so he could protect himself. people didn't like that. i'm a big believer that we need to work to be civil. >> a facebook comment from
denita. can the book spymaster be read as a standalone? >> absolutely. if you go into a bookstore and tuesday looking for spymaster and they don't have it you can start with another one. >> is that frustrating or difficult to make sure that in each book you're introducing the characters? >> you have to be prepared that someone is coming to your work for the first time. you also need to make sure you're not boring your fan base that has read the books. the biggest thing you can commit as an author is to do cut and paste descriptions from previous books because your fans will recognize it. the readers, it's funny, he blessed me how do you keep track
of what's in your books and my wife is so fantastic, she has done three by five cards and a recipe box for each character, where they are introduce what they look like, so if i have a character in bringing back i will refer to the card it will tell me where to read the description and that's it. all say the same things but in a different way quick enough that the longtime readers are like yes i remember that guy. in the new readers are like okay let's see what happens. >> host: in a minute will show a little video and let you explain it. if you can't get through on the phone lines you can get through on social media. here is an e-mail, do your books, and large prints?
there are no large print copies of spymaster available. >> you're not the only one who can't find a copy, it comes out on tuesday. but yes, thorndike is the name of the publisher does it in large print. bookstores can find it for you. if your library doesn't have it please request it. it does exist. >> will show little video and then we'll have you explain. >> prologue, sea island georgia. claire should have gone to bed hours ago. she should have ignored that and placed her into one glass in the sink and headed upstairs. but she was feeling nostalgic. the more she drank, the more nostalgic she became picking up the bottle she stepped outside, the night was warm and the ocean are carried with it the scent of
magnolias just beyond her pool. >> host: what are we seeing? >> that is the talented broadway actor all me shorts who is reading hidden order. >> he's amazing. people say why don't you reach your own book i can never do it he does, keeping track of voices. army is fantastic. and audiobooks is a really growing area right now. >> guest: is something we been committed to and involved in forever. i believed in it very much. i have a close relationship with simon & schuster audio. you just got a little taste of army there. he's not believable talent. it's funny, i will get sent the script and i have to read through to see what they're cutting for the bridge
tradition. sometimes i get a call in the middle of recording saying how do we pronounce this word. and i don't how to pronounce it. let me see if i can call someone and let me know. it's a collaborative process. i enjoy it. >> i am so thankful. i have traveled all over the world. i've traveled through east germany and seen the devastation. it was absolutely amazing. i'm so handicapped and disabled now, i don't do things online anymore. i rely on books, i devour your books that i have to wait so long for something to come out in large print. i don't know what to do. i have been everywhere you have been.
my father was a world war ii vet, we lived in europe, i did everything you do. i don't to online stuff, i don't know what to do, i have to write years for things to come out it's determining what's right and wrong and we went through east berlin to get to it at the time where it was divided. we would throw things out the window, they would grab him up but they couldn't tell anybody. >> all right jan. i think we got the just. there's a real fan there. >> she sounds like she has done some very exciting things.
if you can't find my books in large print make sure you ask for them. they do exist. i am doing one book a year. i will double my efforts to make sure they are available to you. i'm wearing reading glasses now they're not long enough to read those books. the use of drones is increasing in the intel world they do exist
on battlefields in certain areas. smaller ones that could be what's interesting is my last use of force that i discovered while i was writing it i have operatives on the field under fire. it flew out of italy and it's a fascinating story. from a technological standpoint there important on the battlefield and important for surveillance on my books. >> to find another thing in your books is allies and the cooperation of allies in the corporation that the allies have. >> it's hugely important. it's interesting to watch. how would cooperate with other
groups, whether as the brits, the ozzie's are the canadians, they have always been important particularly with their closest allies. everybody has their own turf they're trying to protect. they will try to skirt those allies in that could either be a good thing or bad thing depending how circumstances unfold. >> you seem to spend a lot of time in italy. >> guest: i do. i like all of europe. >> is there something about italy were may be terrorism or plots are hatched? >> the use of force italy played a prominent role because of the
migrants that were coming over from north africa. that was in the role of terrorists trying to hide terrorists in the migrant communities and the fact that southern italy was interesting and how they would work their way up and sometimes the anti- terror investigations were very fascinating. i've done italy before my second book, my wife and i went to the island and it was a fun place. >> host: allie is in valencia california, good afternoon. >> good afternoon. i have a question for brad, have you ever invented a cool spy gadget in your books? >> guest: that's a good question, how old are you. >> i'm in my 40s. >> host: you sounded younger. >> guest: i probably have i have a technique that he started
using in the last couple of books. you definitely see it in use of force, and interrogation techniques that it seems to me to make scientific sense. we would be able to do this kind of interrogation. as i started digging i found that it was something were working on. i found out it existed in one of the real world. this guy knocked me on it and it does exist. there are some stuff that i found out actually exist that i did not know was there. >> what was the toughest of your books to work on? >> , each one presents its own special challenge, they're all difficult. it's hard to write 100,000 plus words in the air and make them engaging and compelling.
my sites are always set on the next one. it's rare that i look back. before vince passed we talked if you could go back and edit an old book would you do it? and he said no. he said i would drive myself nuts. there isn't a single sentence i could convince myself that i couldn't write better. no matter how many times i read a manuscript i could go back and change every sentence. >> are there any of your 18 books each one was an amazing ride. it was fun to do and i'm extremely proud of it. i mean that. like if there's something i could change i would. i wouldn't. >> mr. thor, you mentioned sending multiple queries to asia.
do you suggest sending proposals to more than one agent at a single agency? >> guest: that's a great question. i think maybe your query letter, if there's multiple agents at that agency if it's a huge agency maybe he could get away with it but it might not be the right thing to do. yada find out who is the best agent there and focus on that one. then if they reject you i would write back to say would it be appropriate if i approached and then approach it that way. >> i don't know if you remember you me but i remember you. i took you on a book tour.
>> yes, where were you when you went on the trip together. >> and what city really? >> miami if i remember correctly, you are quite well-known and beloved among authors for being such a wonderful author x score. >> if you thought that, that's all that counts. i wanted to reach you what you wrote on my book i wanted to know if you wanted any plans. again, i'm not escorting anymore but i wanted to read this to you. have a bang update, our lives will be forever intertwined. thanks for keeping us on the green ride of the grass, lovecraft brad. >> thank you joan. that's very nice.
>> are you still an author escort? >> no, there's very few bookstores left. >> did you go to books and books down in miami? >> that's the only one. there were four bookstores where i live in they were all gone. so no, those days are over for miami. >> to have any idea how many books are sold online. >> it is a mind per se know. i have some incredibly great relationships with independent bookstores. i know about 80% of the market is amazon. you have great bookstores like poison pendent half-price books in dallas. i could go on and on with all these great bookstores.
of book and author escort, you would manage only pick you up at the airport and she would be your guide to the city. before your event should take you around to every bookstore that had copies of your books, you assign the book, they would put a sticker on it signed by the author and the old legend is assigned book is a sold book. it spend the day with the lovely woman like jim. many my friends growing up are jewish. so joan and i hit it off over jewish culture right away. >> guest: another theme, scott says the quick prayer in almost every book, is that on purpose? >> guest: no, it's [inaudible] purpose or my injecting my own spiritual personality, comes from there no atheists in
foxholes. you come to find god very quickly when the bullets are flying. >> host: if you fall, fall forward. >> that is from wild bill donovan, the oss, the precursor to the cia and that was his big motto. he said if you fall fall forward in service of the mission. >> barbara from texas good afternoon i just want to say that i am really enjoying the program, i am a librarian and mr. thor is very popular and very red in the library system. i just want you to know and truly enjoying the program. i have not read your titles but i am inspired to read them now. i basically read nonfiction. but i am going to read one of
your titles. >> barbara, as a librarian, spymaster comes out have you already gotten requests from this book? >> yes. >> thank you for your call. the librarians are such important special people, when i look back on my summer spent up in wisconsin on lake geneva, one of my highlights used to be going to the library and checking out books i could read for the week. the librarian was my guide to another world. so librarians are super important people there's wonderful librarians like barbara. i love that you said that your nonfiction reader. there's two classes of people i love hearing from, people are nonfiction readers and then
those who say my wife doesn't read but i gave him one of your books and they couldn't put it down. i call what i do faction. you don't know where the facts send in the fiction begins. with talked about reading with the laptop open. there's so many interesting facts that it's almost like entertaining nonfiction. a little bit. i like to hear people say i wasn't much of a reader but you change that. speaking of faction, the dead poets society factor fiction. >> now, did i really call someone the dead poets society? >> the branch that kills were
gets rid of rolled intelligence office. >> so it's funny, i'm in nashville and deb put society actually went to a a school so, that's or fiction just up with the fun kind of almost flippant name is a lot of these operations get interesting names,. >> danica from dallas, good afternoon. >> caller: hello brad, do you believe in sleepers, and what is your definition there of. and you believe in special agents who have been flying around the world then is there a capability to have that brain memory to pave the way?
>> number one, if you need sleeper like sleeper agents like the agents were placed in the united states and activated at some point, yes. the other about changing people's memories, i don't know anything about that. sorry. nothing for you on that one. >> joanne is in north carolina, your line. >> caller: hello, thank you for taking my call. i've enjoyed your books my question is, do you have -- and why did you choose that it in your books. >> it is a russian dog that the troll has. dogs that were popular with the east german border guards. they are tall at the shoulder. i don't have them.
i have belgium -- they are hyper smart dogs. my dogs don't have titanium teeth but they are hyper intelligent, very loyal dogs. my wife would go crazy trying to keep the house and dog food. i'd have to write six books a year to afford the dog food. >> host: they are highly trained and very loyal to nicholas. was this a research project? >> earlier we talked about the troll, my lesson three-foot tall intelligence operative. for somebody with a small stature he needed muscle but he could trust these dogs with his life. i told you how we came up with the idea, the troll under the bridge, the little person in our neighborhood and i thought i
have to find the biggest arcs i can find. visually my books unfold and i write them like a movie. i found these dogs at the russian border patrol and east german use. it was the caucasian sheepdog. >> host: was susan, i think it spymaster, was she set up? >> she innocent? >> guest: your talk about use of force. the name comes from a wonderful family that donate donated to a military charity that i support. i name the character after her. you're asking if she was set up with the whole -- >> host: she seemed like an innocent pond to me.
there was a certain amount of that. a little bit of that could be coming back and next summer's book. you're extremely perceptive. >> can you tell us the title of next years book? >> i don't have the title yet. >> host: when you come up with the title? >> guest: sometimes i get the title first. i joke because it looks like a beautiful mind in my office. i will roll through titles with my editor and sell one really seems to fit. i don't have it yet. people asked where i get my ideas from and i say from the shower or the second glass of wine sitting on the couch. that's what i'm completely relaxed and some just pops. it will be interesting to stay
in touch. so ticket x amount of time and then it will just drop into place. i get so much inspiration watching other good storytelling. it's funny how things will pop for my own books and the people say oh wait, there's another phrase. writers are weird people. the process is scatter. >> john has told us that he writes off-line in a computer that is not connected to the internet, to do the same thing? >> i get to the point where i have to take the wi-fi and to be out of the office. see only way stuff gets done. i absolutely have to do that. i have two friends and they have
a computer that doesn't touch the internet ever. their billion-dollar movies and hundreds of millions of dollars in things like this. goes everywhere with them. the presidents football. >> host: is your office at your home in nashville? >> guest: it is. >> host: have you ever showed a picture of your office? >> guest: nope. i have shown a couple of pictures of the interior. the video you ran not too long ago was shot in my office. >> host: bill is in westchester, pennsylvania. >> caller: hello. i would like to speak to brad and ask him if his opinion of the child, fortunately i haven't
read any of brad's but i will of course as a result. i'm an old korean war veteran and i don't have much mobility left. but i do read quite a lot. >> thank you for calling in. i know the has a series that's one of the most popular. he sells a book like every six and a half seconds. but thank you for your service as a korean war veteran appreciate you is an amazing isr
site and those guys, clancy, that was really my manna as a teenager and college student, i read a lot of the books, they were so fantastic. i just read the spy who came in from the cold. i wanted to go through that again, it was a riveting and fantastic book. really some great stuff. i wonder how that would play today, similar take on that, i think a lot of history is repeating itself with everything going on with russia and as we have talked about the baltics, i think those areas are just as interesting now as they were back when -- was really the gold
standard. his incredible body of work. it still the gold standard. >> we have just had a north korea summit, is that something that could be playing into your books in the future? >> several books back i dealt with north korea in my book act of war. north korea is a hard one to write about, i wrote about north korea in my book act of war as a training ground, almost way afghanistan was for al qaeda, i set it up as a training ground for the chinese, they were able to do things in north korea that they may not be able to get away with anywhere else. the problem i have with north korea, a bigger than that in the book is that their unpredictable, the same reason i never talked about bin laden. i knew eventually they would get in. >> the kim regime, it's very difficult to predict. right now as we sit here doing the interview the newspapers set looks like the fact that he's
already cheating. so that one is a tough one. i want my books to be evergreen. i want you to pick up the very first book and read it. that's a balancing act you do as a writer in the genre. you're dealing with real-world but you want the books to stand on their own and last. i would not deal with kim directly. that is a tricky call how much you would want to do with north korea. >> cindy in florida. a few minutes left with our guest. >> do year book endings have a definite conclusion? >> yes. they do conclude, except peter is mad about the way i ended spymaster. i have done a couple over my career that have a cliffhanger at the end. i got the same reaction peter gave me this morning.
so by and large, they do and nice, everything tied up. >> so i didn't spymaster in that way? >> that's what they told me to do. it's like the dog told them to commit the murders, i have to do it, have no willpower, i have to do it he tells me. >> how long have you had this? >> it's often on, she flies away and comes back, one of my favorite people when it comes to the art of writing the stephen press field. he's an amazing author and he wrote a book called the war of art and how they overcome writer's block. he also wrote gates of fire, that's a required reading in many military circles. stephen press field, if you are a writer want to be, the war of
art by stephen press field i keep it on my desk in my office. he talks about setting things up for the muse. she never wants to leave. that's a big thing that steve press field talks about. the muse is important. as i said, i obey what she tells me to do because she has never steered me wrong. i am hoping that you can't wait to see what happens in the book. >> wes in chattanooga tennessee, dear one of my three favorite authors, to ever think about the legacy you would like to leave in your body of work? >> that's a very nice e-mail from a fellow tennessean. i hope my book stands the test
of time. but the times of change. has some point decades of the future there will be a different way of doing things. it could all be a minority report with tom cruz. you're searching through crazy tech walls and things like this. my challenge is to make sure i'm staying ahead of the technology and a believable way. what i like to do with the books is to take it to the line where the world of espionage starts the special operations began in. over the hedge. what the currents people are doing. as far as my books over the test of time, i'm hoping that if i get one thing out of it is that
readers develop an appreciation and respect for men and women who are appreciating these things. they certainly don't get paid enough. they're doing it for love of country. if people take away one thing, that would be it. there is no american dream without the brave men and women willing to protect it. my book serve as a homage to those people. i cannot have the fabulous people i do. >> are you popular within military circles? >> a lot of people say i picked up your your book downrange. you talk about people finding me from the airport. uso is a group we believe in.
if i get off the plane and there's a uso thing all find a bookstore and put them in there and say thank you for your service. there are men and women who told me they discovered they are on a deployment overseas someone having give it to them. i've had some heartfelt e-mails and letters of people who say you got me through a tough time in your book kept me sane. it's a heck of a complement. >> i wondered if you had read this by norman mailer. >> i liked it. >> i like the writing and i liked what he was talking about in the book.
>> thank you. >> i have not read it. that's one of the ones. with be in a reader that you will never run out of great books to read. now that book will go on my li list. that's hear from carolyn florida. >> caller: i have not read your books but you have sold me. however, i don't want to start in the middle of a character that i should've known something about earlier. where is a good place to start with your books? >> i am honored. thank you for being willing to try my book. you can read any of the books. if i could steer you to one i'd say my new one, spymaster. if you want to start at the beginning you can start with
alliance of lucerne. on my website i have a list of my books in order if you're interested in order. you can't go wrong every start. either way, hope you will be happy. i will count you a long time reader after this. >> let's revisit this, this is a tweet, what is in store for scots, any future book plans? while writing books you take into account recent world even events. >> guest: yes, do take into consideration world events. i do make sure that i'm keeping up with what's happening in the world. as far as what's next, this is what's tough, i know everything that has happened in spymaster and you haven't had a chance to read it yet.
there's a lot. you'll see the seeds of more future things coming. so, i hate to be so quiet with you, but i have very specific things. i joke that if i put out too much in the public sphere that jim and steve would jump on it. they wouldn't do it it's a joke but i do plant a little close until the next books coming out. >> you'll get a lot of where hardback is going. >> do boys pennsylvania. >> hello ed, i was wondering, in your books with the scenarios that you come up with to write and then, do you ever wonder worry about maybe the enemies of the united states looking at that in coming up with ideas with which you write?
>> guest: that's a legit question and very important. when i write my books, i have a team of sharpshooters, people either active in the different communities i'm covering a recently retired. i like to share my manuscripts with them. a lot of times the information comes from time spent with them. you might be surprised where people have said, we told you point a and told you i don't see any figured out be on your own and be cannot be in the book. so, a change it. i tried to make sure i'm not giving bad guys any ideas. >> david, an army vet, and he thought on our military bureaucracy, especially the ratio flag officers to enlisted?
>> guest: i can't comment on the ratio. i'm not a fan of brecher c. i think bureaucracy chokes off innovation and makes it difficult for people to do their jobs. i think it hampers getting the right resources down to the ground and into the field. on the small government guy, i'm the guy that doesn't like the bureaucracy and people looking up for their own interests. by the way, thank you for your service. we appreciate you. >> davis in glenmont new york. you might be the last word, go ahead. >> bread, this is dave, i'm a longtime fan, i've read many of your novels, probably out of order. one of my questions has to do, i would like to know the correct order to read them in. i know you're a political person, so i would like your opinion on the war that donald trump is proposing based on your knowledge. >> so, as far as the order, and thank you for the question, go
to brad thor.com/books. as far as the wall is concerned, the believer and borders for national sovereignty. the wall doesn't pull very well. i look at places like israel and successes. i cannot give you a direct, it's a good question, but there's a a lot of arguments being made that i can see intelligence and reasonability in. i think there is a lot to be said for that. but it is a tough issue and i don't think we can cover it in the time we have left. i will take the diplomatic route out. >> brad has been our guest for the last three hours on this special fiction addition of in depth. next month is science-fiction writer, that concludes today's program. thank you for being with us.
just before the start of the senate confirmation hearings we look back to his previous confirmation hearings and we talk with people who know the judge. >> i do think that some of the worst moments in the supreme court history have been moments of judicial activism like the dred scott case. like where the court went outside of its proper bounds in my judgment, interpreting clauses of the constitution to impose its own policy use and to supplant the proper role of the legislative branch. >> i spent several weeks actually, before that really looking at other people, all of the people in president trump 's shortlist. i came to the conclusion i thought no disrespect to the others that judge brett kavanaugh was the best. >> our rights hang in the balance in this nomination. and brett kavanaugh 's resume
alone is not enough for a yes vote. >> watch our profile of brett kavanaugh monday 8 pm on c-span, c-span.org or listen with the free c-span radio app. >> nessa discussion about writing historical fiction with christina baker kline. therese anne fowler and martin seay. at this year's book festival in columbia, missouri. this is an hour and 10 minutes. >> thank you to the volunteers and thank you all for coming out to discuss literature with us. i'm going to introduce each panelist and read a short selection from their work. i'm going to do it alphabetically and then we'll get to