tv Campaign 2018 MN 1st Congressional U.S. House Debate CSPAN October 23, 2018 7:13pm-8:01pm EDT
radio obama administration expanded regulations contrary to the intent of congress about they should pull that back requiring the house and the senate to affirm regulations going forward so yes checks and balances the epa is another issue so that's important but on the other hand, this election is about two worldviews which direction will be go? the direction of the resistance to replace president trump or take us back to the obama years and then some? and to partner or keep working with like minded people and protect our god-given rights and i hope he will talk about those issues today.
>> what do you see as the role of congress pertaining to the white house quick. >> something i have committed to doing thank you for putting this together it's a great chance to see a contrast of approaches and could not be more fundamental it is what the house of representatives was designed to be one of the many ways that washington is dysfunctional right now it is hyper- partisan because people are unwilling to work across the aisle or to be a check and balance across the president because i am an independent voice not beholden to anybody you better believe that as we watch my opponent stand up to say everything with agriculture was going great in the middle of an escalating
trade war but the unwillingness to stand up to the president intimate congress that check and balance for the constitution. >> jim hagedorn let's talk about those tariffs. hagedorn: i'm happy to get into that but you are not an independent voice you are a political appointee of barack obama sent out here by the resistance of policy and company to take power in the district with a very left-wing viewpoint and as far as working with the president did you support him on the tax cuts? no. what do you support him on? i don't think there is much in almost every democrat voted against the farm bill. they don't like work for welfare. you are very leftist you will work with pelosi and against the president every step of the way.
feehan: this is the tone of his campaign his fourth run so this idea of us in them and that is not what i'm about to talk about independent leadership looking at the pentagon online 11 if you want to take a look to jump into a middle school classroom to make sure kids can learn with the idea that i said to myself it is time to serve the country again no one told me to do anything. that's what independent leadership is. and critical thinking i am happy to demonstrate that. >> do you agree with president trump on any issue quick. >> i have watched the opponent campaigning on ending the war in afghanistan that is something i absolutely agree turning 17 years old this year
$5 trillion the president was of that mind but he changed his views on tha that. hagedorn: i wrote a column in 2014 to say the war in afghanistan we should end the war. >> what am i quoted as saying anything different? you are working for obama you're not even from our district not until they send you out from washington maybe if you were here you would have read the column but that was my position. >> is there anywhere jim hagedorn that you disagree with president trump? . >> sure i said long ago i didn't like the omnibus spending bill because it doesn't allow us to reform government or appropriation so
i would never vote for it because we are kicking the can down the road i am not a fan of tariffs i don't believe in them and the industries that they try to protect but that is diminishing returns and as far as that the president is doing he ran on this issue to china to clean our clock they were manipulating our currency stealing all sorts of things he wanted to reset with china and mexico with that current reset with mexico and canada i supported the president to help us with trade tariffs and agriculture across the board but in the end of the president's goal is get rid of the bite on - - get rid of the barriers have the market for the best agricultural products i supported the tpp. that was bipartisan so we have
to do what we have to do for southern minnesota i would represent our interest every day on the job. >> what about tariffs and trade and the tpp? . >> this idea of checks and balances that my opponent is different from the president his is to be a rubber stamp i sat next to him in august as he told farmers of our district to be patient with their paychecks because he wanted to support the president's policy executed without any role of congress to be a part of it. and his entire career is based in washington d.c.. there are some openings in the trump administration.
. >> before i was in washington i grew up on a farm in southern minnesota. >> you did not grow up in the 21 counties in this district. where were you? . >> i was in the first district. >> hold on. the first district change 20 years ago. the 21 counties you never lived in. i grew up on a farm in my great-grandfather and grandfather all southern minnesota farmers i really want to be on the ag committee believe it or not i would be the closest thing to a farmer because they don't have farmers anymore on the ag committee also no republicans from minnesota on the agriculture committee in the house and the senate we need bipartisan leadership working with all the folks from different parts of the country to make sure all of that is successful. that has been my background
also a minnesota congressman and we don't take issue. >> i get so confused you forget about those 30 years you spent in washington d.c.. >> leading soldiers in wartime and how to be a policymaker because what is happening in washington d.c. is an action with hyper- partisanship which my opponent represents to the nth degree. >> whether or not they vote for me a try to represent everybody fair that those that you don't agree with. . >> here is my experience. i work for a minnesota congressman seven years.
the work for welfare bill. and democrat also the nra to make sure we got rid of the 1968 gun control act. and on world enterprise zones like those that were doing it for urban areas. i understand how congress works i was also in the congressional relations officer. do you know, what i did? downsize my own federal agencies which is unheard of. we put a bill together for those that eliminated 5 percent of the energy's workforce to service the american people that is what i did i worked in the congress. and reform government.
>> the congress is full of jim hagedorn. to be beholden to special interest which is why i have not taken a dime. i'm hoping we can talk about health care with the ability to have the unwillingness that they do right now that's why people are cynical about politics today. >> on any number of issues we can talk about this. >> on the area of agriculture i got a question from a listener that said what could the federal government do to address poor water quality in all southern minnesota? feehan: farmers are stewards of their own land first of all, the idea you have to make policy through gnostics it is
incumbent on the rest of the community to clean up water but you have to have investment and that is where infrastructure comes in not just roads and bridges nobody knows that more than the southwest corner of the state it isn't just a matter of quality but having water in the first place. the risible for the farmers to play to clean up water along the way not just based on carrots alone. the idea of regulation is harder as my opponent will talk about. and those leading the conversation. hagedorn: i was just talking to the head of the minnesota farm bureau about these very issues they endorsed me they want someone to be pro- ag. and there needs to be a balance during the obama
administration we had a war against agriculture and part of that was led under the epa with the waters of the united states which was a complete overreach with those buffer strips and it has gone too far. they don't give the farmers credit for being good stewards of the land they don't want to waste their fertilizer that cost them money. we need to work together. but for someone who wants to represent southern minnesota to keep the input cost of farming down let's have the house and the senate affirm it major regulation to impact farmers and others. does dan support that? i don't know. i don't take the premise every lake and stream in southern minnesota is polluted to a
point of no return i think it depends on the standards. >> you could demonstrate that through science? . >> you could change standards all the time. >> you said it's impossible to determine. >> i think we are doing just fine. >> just remind everyone we are listening to a debate between the two candidates for congress and the minnesota first district the democrat is dan feehan republican jim hagedorn the question of health care came up i got a question from a listener what would you do to resolve the health care cost crisis? in other words, what would you do in congress to make health insurance more affordable and available? hagedorn: first repeal obama care and replace with free-market reforms at a minimum send it back to the states the state of minnesota
did not need obama care the one state of all of those in the union with 94 percent people covered with a system in place for pre-existing medical needs but now though that said keep your doctor and keep your plan save $2500 the obama administration people like dan say now let's go to socialized medicine they have universal health care that is the answer but it is not. it will make it worse i hope we can talk about that later. when i support going back to insurance have it act like insurance. this is the biggest tax cut most people get let them spend money for insurance and medical care and prescription drugs pretax nobody pays federal tax on that money anymore that is what the individual reform movement going forward and then to have incentives for healthy living and to have transparency and cost with major medical
catastrophic coverage that can be done by the insurance companies or private sector and pool for people with pre-existing medical needs paid for by the insurance companies backed by the government everybody gets quality timely care. nobody goes broke but that is how insurance should operate. feehan: obama care said parents can stay on insurance until 26 and insurance companies could not discriminate with pre-existing medical condition. >> we were not doing that in minnesota you can add 26 but the states can handle it i trust the legislature and governor will get it right much more so than hhs bureaucrats deciding to care for doctor-patient relationship relationships. obama care was an absolute disaster for southern minnesota people pay 20 and $30000 per year for premiums
with deductible so high the underlying insurance is virtually worthless. feehan: also the point of approach talking about conversations from 2010 because he has been running for congress since 2010 i am looking at 2018 the reality of the health care system is failing every way shape or form what you hear from my opponent is offering a chance to go backward i don't think that's an option we can even consider with any seriousness i believe in the markups of the free markets that the adsm on the private insurance right now at farm fast with two kids went to get them treated paying $750 out of pocket her reaction is she would not go to the doctor next time it wasn't worth it so in a country that i would propose to do to have a public option
people can buy into into medicare so people pay for it because everything my opponent talks about the private system is a for-profit system people are making money off of people's health there has to be another option to make the incentive for companies to drive their prices downward and not make a buck and the only way congress can go forward does not have people under the influence of big pharma and insurance companies which my opponent is under the influence of and i am not. hagedorn: by buying into medicare will destroy the system for one thing and the system is about bankrupt now so you will add to it. take it to whoever you want that is my contention the concept of medicare for all in socialized medicine universal health care is going to destroy medicine as we know it.
it will make sure we have inferior medical quality medical innovation will suffer if you want more people on medicare guess what? all these institutions of medicine will be reimbursed 50 cents on the dollar instead of one dollar on the dollar because they cannot sustain the model if you do this it will destroy the progress and growth in rochester minnesota and southern minnesota all the buildings going up all the people coming into rochester comes to an end. this is a big choice for the people do want to put people in charge to take us to socialized medicine or keep us with the private sector as far as incentives are concerned this is america this is how we do business companies produce good medical devices and drugs and everything else to go to medical school they want something in return there is nothing wrong with that.
>> the mayo clinic has the right idea and they have to be at the table it is the institution founded and a leader on health care so why not have them at the table with large-scale health reform to shift the country to preventative care rather than when they are at their wits end because they don't have insurance or cannot afford it in the first place. >> if you expand medicare it does pay less than private insurance how does that help the mayo clinic? feehan: they are involved in the right place to find the right incentives to keep them apart of that i talk to doctors all the time you treat patients who either don't have health care they can afford or not at all. that is the default and the system to pay for those cost in the first place if it is part of large-scale reform with preventative care we save ourselves so much cost so that
these discussions about the reimbursements are a moot point. hagedorn: i'm not dumping on the mayo clinic there are a lot of hospital across the country but they don't take new patients for reason in jacksonville and phoenix because the model is not sustained. they cannot make it work at 40 and 50 cents on the dollar. that is what socialized medicine brings us. people flying around the world to go to rochester for medical care that comes to an end because in a single-payer system the government controls goes in and all of the outcomes and by the way if you want to have a system like canada and germany and great britain? do you know, who flies in today to rochester people from canada and great britain and germany because they can get quality care where do we go when we destroy that? with the us has the most expensive system in the world is not the best outcomes. hagedorn: the highest quality medical care in the world.
>> how does the private market lower that cost which is what people are complaining about when they go to the doctor with the co-pays because it's too expensive. hagedorn: medical care is expensive we have innovation technology with the finest medical care don't know too many americans traveling around the world for medical care they are getting at here. i do know people coming in from foreign countries to get medical care in the united states that is my answer whether we have the finest quality but driving down cost transparency and cost is backward transparency so you know, what it cost to go to the doctor to get the mri that allows people to shop to bring competition that allows people to make choices we don't have that right now. what is the incentive for healthy living right now? you don't have to pay any more money out that drum dump 20 or 30000 hoping and praying you don't have to use it now you
have incentive for healthy living and live a better life that's we can have with the free market and make it more to what we would expect in the united states of america. >> what you hear about moving backwards to her they are not guaranteed basics like pre-existing conditions allowing that to go to the private market takes us back to a place you are not entirely honest where people have health clear and millions have that in the first place. >> in minnesota? feehan: yes. hagedorn: how may people didn't have health care before obama care? feehan: that they would pay more. hagedorn: they are paying less now? seriously? feehan: a private company wanting to make money off of their health care you talk about the cost i don't accept
that. hagedorn: if you think things are better for minnesotans after obama care you need to head out. >> i am saying the status quo is not working everyone i have talked to every day simply wants more affordable health care the ability to go to the doctor not be there own doctor because these cost that will what we will pay in the first place of hundreds of millions of americans on a private plan right now they think it's great i just want to make sure that is as us affordable as it could be that's where we are failing right now that's why washington d.c. is a dysfunctional place is failing to take any action. >> those on private insurance pay for those who are on government insurance it will reimburse hospitals and doctors at 40 or 50 cents on the dollar if you expand that you will degrade medicine and take money out of the system and if you think that works go
to canada and germany and great britain and ask the people. >> changing the subject. listener asked a question about the tax bill that passed last year if you had been in congress would you have voted for it? feehan: absolutely needed tax reform and we still need tax reform that provides middle-class tax cuts directly. not indirectly and at a rate higher than the top earners we had an incredible opportunity and the idea millionaires and billionaires took incredibly large share of those cost savings created a bigger problem to increase our debt by upwards of $2 trillion that is unacceptable to me right now. i would oppose it did not take it reform in the right way it is dishonest to suggest they got the best deal they possibly could have had.
hagedorn: he would've voted against it like all the other democrats. here is where we are. i would have voted of course, it was a step in the right direction for businesses it was a business and corporate tax cut to bring money back from overseas to get the economy stimulated and something that was good for farmers you should talk with the farmers about the tax reform bill they can expense things in current years. >> we can talk about that if you want but a lot of families in the district are collecting 1000 or more dollars each year and that is every year. i support that should be have more tax reform individually? i have also called for that. one of my proposals is to make sure it could be educatio education, health insurance, medical care, care, tax-free don't pay federal income taxes that is one of the biggest tax cuts people can get humor in the
middle getting squeezed. and also after that get rid of the code some people can hold and invest in their own money or those interest groups or the politicians would say and that's the best way to give people power we give it back to them as individuals take it from washington that's what i'm all about. >> and out from another listener what he calls the biggest question to ask anybody going to washington, how do you pay down the federal that? hagedorn: obviously one congressperson cannot do what you can be part of a fiscally responsible coalition i'm happy to do that if the democrats want to join us but no more big on abyss bills regular order we need to reform every single agency of government starting with the pentagon right now $50 billion of savings from the pentagon people want to make sure we
have the strongest military on earth we can take that and reinvest it into soldiers pay and weapon systems but every agency of government found a niche and decided we could do some things different and my boss gave me the go-ahead working through president clinton and steny hoyer i worked in a way to save $2 million i have one idea every member of congress came up with an idea we would be better off and get rid of the debt and the deficit. why should the taxpayers pay for federal employees to go to and from work? give them free transportation? why do we do that? they are some of the most affluent people in the country they should have to pay their own way they don't even pay taxes on that benefit. is dan for that i don't know. >> but cutting the military?
. >> reforming the military. >> what is your take away here? . >> we just talked about one of the biggest issues of the tax bill has added to our debt of one.$9 trillion so let's talk about the challenges of what we are doing right now we need real tax reform that is the opposite someone making over $1 million with an average of $69 million that is unacceptable but the other way is 17 straight years and that includes every single cost along the way and the cost of veterans care along the way with $5 trillion with the burden of congress is to shoulder the burden if we need to be at war perpetually as we are today. >> another question on a different subject.
us one - - the one counsel of climate change said we have to take drastic action or it will get really bad. soon. do you agree with that report and what would you do about it? feehan: yes i agree it should be a function of the first question we have had a couple of debates and well and was a couple nights ago when my opponent declared he wasn't sure about climate change maybe the earth warming and cooling as usual but i have a different perspective of people like secretary jim mattis and the chairman of the joint chiefs general dunford that believes long-term the biggest threat in terms of security is climate change and the question what you do about it has to be done as the next immediate question with the perspective of southern minnesota with incredible amounts of rain recently and more continuously changing the way we are farming and the
landscape of the district and erasing the falls from the face of the earth so what we do of the president not embracing the paris climate accords is to make sure we were doing everything possible locally in the first district in minnesota is energy independent not relying on fossil fuels and making an effort to do so to make sure people in the u.s. navy are becoming energy independent champion those technologies but if you're opening premise that i don't believe that we have another thing coming because i would like you to give a response to the chairman of joint chief of staff. >> what you believe in it or not doesn't matter it's what you do about if it's a problem and made what do you do about it? a lot of people out there on the left say relocate and make changes but to transform our
energy sector and turned the economy upside down over the premise that at some point the world comes to an end? know. i don't agree with that but to be destabilizing for the economy driving up the cost for everybody in our country. my money - - i support energy independence for the united states that means all of the above approach i don't believe dan understands the issue because we are energy independent for every source except crude oil's ability to become independent is to drill for more crude oil and the trunk administration has done a good job in this area also make sure we have the infrastructure in place to utilize our energy resources to have more resources than any other country in the world. pipelines are distribution points and refineries that's why laborers are leaving they
don't want to build up pipelines they don't like keystone president obama block that just to make sure we have a policy in place with abundant and reliable and affordable energy because when the price of energy goes up and money out of your back pocket and that they will take from around the world to trading adversaries. he says he wants to do something about it with the carbon tax you support paris climate or a cap and trade? what do you support? what about fracking? . >> i told you about the risk with us military installations
because of climate change and to do something about climate change. hagedorn: if he said that he would probably say we have to react and do what we can but i did hear him say he was for the paris climate accord and a ban on fracking and carbon tax. >> host: to support and defend our servicemembers. and american troops are at risk because of climate change. >> what do you do? . >> first and foremost, to make ourselves energy independent and as long as we are engaging we have to do it in the safest possible way but if we're not doing everything that we will fall further behind but to
make sure the climate reform bill to entertain any idea possible including the carbon footprint but it has to be open to changing things but then to champion energy like solar. and biofuels. hagedorn: you walked through a parade acting on - - acting on climate change and then say you will not tell us what you want to do on climate change. you do support the paris climate accords. >> i said that twice already. >> you do support the regulations on fracking and all of these things to stop us and that's why the farm bureau support me what are farmers supposed to do?
and then to deal with that impact. how do we know that southern minnesota using one - - dealing with more rain than ever before or inconsistent temperatures? . >> i think your positions are clear but these are the values of southern minnesota. >> let me ask you this question do we need a wall on the mayor on - - border? . >> of course, every type of border we can so that they come here through a legal process. he has commented on that. this is then a problem 30 and
40 years let's cure america's borders once and for all. the other half is five or so million people got coming in on temporary visas and they never left. some from terrorist countries just like 9/11 causing problems. we need to secure entry with the merit based immigration the most generous country in the world to bring in immigrants that is wonderful but we should be in a position to know who's coming so that they can assimilate and contribute to the economy and to become fabric of america because it's not good for us to have them here. feehan: the premise of the question is flawed we need to keep the country safe? absolutely let no one better to represent than someone who
spent two tours in iraq keeping this country safe and i'm insulted by the idea that my opponent thinks i could not be part of this conversation and it isn't the one way but the broader conversation which increasingly dealing with cybersecurity and bioterrorism. and with that entire focus on the wall we will miss things that are a bigger threat along the way if you want to have that conversation in great. people in need of workers or a moral case or national security case. but i am a believer of a
vigorous program to make law and those hard paying people to have a pathway to citizenship but these conversations have to be passed it isn't one or the othe other. >> everybody respects your service but this is service in the house of representatives and why it has translated into the positions that reflect would what people would want. and if you are on record if government should do its job on immigration with the states and communities they shouldn't have anything to do with it. make minnesota a sanctuary state like you talk about you'll have illegal aliens
rolling in to drive up the cost. that's not good for the people. we need to protect them that is why law enforcement fraternal order of police endorse me because i'm on their side. and to have the communities saf safe. >> you support immigration reform? . >> absolutely. we have to have a verifiable work program so people can come to the united states and get a job and in a meaningful way to help farmers and others. if they want to go to and from into build up credits to citizenship. we just did that with the good that bill and some of the things that dan talks about. that to make sure we have border security when we do deport somebody they don't
come back over. . >> this is the highlight it shapes your character and who we see overseas. so this is a consistent theme. and to serve the country blogging about military veterans with a triple amputee this is the viewpoint of how he would represent congress and the viewpoints of those veterans along the way. to take an oath of office to support this constitution that is the oath that you take as a member of congress.
. >> the idea you're in the military now all of a sudden on a political issue to take a position that speaks for the people? i don't think so they want sanctuary cities and amnesty you are the candidate. merit based immigration and the good that bill i am the kennedy people can choose. >> i was going to give you one minute now we are at 30 seconds. feehan: i hope listener saw a contrast today but it was clear not just a matter of substance that washington is broken and dysfunctional with hyper partisanship it is full of jim hagedorn it needs an independent voice grown by the values and beliefs of southern
minnesota. not corporate special interest. hagedorn: that sounds very partisan to me. for somebody who has not worked for five years over 21 counties overseeing 250,000 people i respect and reflect the views of people of southern minnesota i ask for their vote and i look forward to the next few weeks of the campaign. >> thank you very much republican jim hagedorn and dan. feehan: election day is coming up november 6 i hope you make up your mind who you will vote for have a great weekend.