tv Campaign 2018 MN 1st Congressional U.S. House Debate CSPAN October 27, 2018 1:22am-2:09am EDT
. >> "usa today" puts the space as a dead heat. >> and puerto rico news minnesota has eight seats in the u.s. house and four of them are competitive thiss year and that our senators running for governor and the district is north of the iowa border so let's meet the candidates. limited to try for the first district seat for the treasury department in washington. and then to do to combat tours in iraq teaching middle school working in the defense department during the obama administration thank you to being here today. no rules or stopwatches but i
want to give you a chance to state your views i asked the listeners to send me questions. so jim hagedorn you been a strong supporter of president trump he was holding a rally for you what role should congress play in regard to the white house? back 100 percent or a check on the power? ta i have been campaigning i believe in fundamental positions so it just so happens that matched up with the issues of donald trump so i am pleased he is our president moving the country in the right direction. i have said the united states congress in the legislative branch needs to reassert its authority in many areas. during the obama years i wasn't happy the way the
administration expanded regulations contrary to the intent of congress and they needed to pull the back that is the reins act requiring them to do major regulation going forward checks and balances i did not agree with epa over president obama that is important. with the two worldviews what direction will be go? and then take us back to the obama years? and then with like-minded people to move in the right direction. in the sustained agriculture and to talk about those issues today.
. >> what do you see as the role of congress pertaining to the white house? . >>. >> i would be remiss to put this together and of those approaches and could not be more fundamental. with the constitution the house of representatives was designed to me it is hyper- partisan and unwilling to be a check and balance them pretty clear where i stand. and i willing to work the benefits. as i watch my opponent and it is going great there is no
other example to stand up to the president to make congress that check and balance. >> so let's talk about those tariffs jim hagedorn. hagedorn: you are not an independent voice you are a political appointee of obama set out here by pelosi to take back the district with a very left-wing viewpoint and as far as working with the president did you support him what do you support him on? every democrat votes against the farm bill that like to work for welfare so if you look at it it isn't an independent voice you are very leftist then you work with pelosi and against the president.
>> this is the tone of the campaign and this is what he brings toof the table us and now so talk about independent leadership to be at oh burning pentagon deciding it's time to suit up look at independent leadership with the middle school classroom that's what i said to myself is time to serve the country again nobody told me to do anything that is what independent leadership is. >> and talk about critical thinking i'm happy to demonstrate. >> do you agree withon president trump on any issue? . >> the president campaign on ending the war in afghanistan turning 17 years oldnt this year
$5 trillion the president was certainly of that mind i was hoping to partner with him but he changed his views who else also my opponent jim hagedorn. hagedorn: i wrote a column running against him for the first time. . >> and not from the district. and then to read that column that was my possession. . >> is there anywhere where you disagree with president trump? . >>resi sure. i didn't like the omnibus spending bill because it doesn't reform government or allow us to have regular order
and appropriations and i would never vote for it. and with diminishing returns and far as what the president is doing that china was clinging on - - cleaning our clocks stealing intellectual property manipulating currency. did to help us at the dairy tariffs and lots of things across the board but the president's goal and my goal in congress to open those global markets for the best agricultural products.
i don't know if dan supports that he will not answer the question that what we have to do in her interest i would represent our interest every day on the job. >> what about tariffs and trade and the tpp? feehan: this idea of checks and balances and my opponent differs from the president his wants to be a rubber stamp or i sat next to him and farm fast as he told farmers of our district to be patient. to support the president's policyup that executed without any role of congress and we did that because the entire career is based in washington d.c. as an insider but there are some openings in the trump administration.
>> i grew up on a farm in southern minnesota. feehan: as did i. hagedorn: you did not grow up in the district there 21 counties where did you live? before you came here? . > the first district. hagedorn: you are being disingenuous because the first district change 20 years ago the 21yo counties you never live there. i grew up that were all southern minnesota farmers and the rural communities believe it or not the closest thing to a farmer on the ag committee because they don't have any anymore also no republicans from minnesota in the house or from the senate we need bipartisan leadership there. and that has been my
background and a minnesota congressman. we did good things in washington and i don't take issue with you with your service don't demean mine. feehan: i am confused how you forget the 30 years in washington d.c. i failed to make the connection.. >> i have been teaching students is a policymaker that is a hyper- partisanship. >> whether or not anyone votes for me because time spent working in the pentagon that you have to work with people you don't agree with that is the hard work. hagedorn: when this is how they convert to this job working for congressman in a
bipartisan fashion that we need to reinstate and the democrat also work with the nra to make sure we gotwo rid of the gun control act which was restricting firearms rights to the american people with a number of issues to push that idea like jack kemp was doing it for urban areas. understand how the congress works i have been in the middle of it also the congressional relations officer so to downsize my own federal agencies. eft 99 closed for checkwriting centers and improve the service to the american people. moving them to the congress to know where the bodies are buried in reform government. feehan: washington is full
of. hagedorn: - - 11 they are beholden to their party leaders and that is why i have not taken a dime from corporated pacs because from moving anything forward hopefully we can talk about health care. and to have an unwillingness. >> that's why it's broken and people are cynical about politics today. >> we can talk on any number of issues. so just on the area of agriculture. and what about addressing water quality of the southern minnesota lakes and streams? . >> absolutely. farmers are stewards of their old man. it is incumbent on the rest of
the community but you have to have investment with the idea of infrastructure. nobody knows that more than the southwest corner of the state but you have water in the first place as they are apart to clean up water along the way. it shouldn't just we based on carrots alone the idea of regulations that my opponent will talk about here that is part of the conversation leading the conversation they have as much interest if not more in the land and soil and water. >> i was just talking with the head of the minnesota farm bureau that endorsed me because they want someone who is pro- agriculture. what is going on against farmers we had a war against
agriculture part of that was led by the epa to put out the waters of the united states which is a complete overreach with themp buffer strips and it has gone too far. and to waste fertilizer they don't want to do that it cost money. but what needs to happen for somebody who wants to represent southern minnesota , keep the input cost of farming down to get rid of the onerous regulationshe f and then to affirm major regulations does dan support that? i don't know he doesn't address that. it is the balance. but then every lay can stream is polluted to a point of no
return and that depends on the standards you could do that through science? we make it depends on the standards. feehan: you said it was impossible. hagedorn: i think we're doing just fine. >> listening to a debate between the two candidates for congress in the first district dan feehan and t11. what will you do to resolve the health care cost crisis what would you do to make health insurance more affordablenc and available? . >> first repeal obama care and replace the free-market reforms at a minimum send it back to the states the state ofs. minnesota did not need obama care. the one state of all that
didn't need it with 94 percent of people covered with the system in place with pre-existing medical needs. if they said keep your doctor keep your plan now they say go to socialized medicine. that will make it worse and we can talk about that later so this is the biggest tax cut people get spending money for insurance or prescription drugs pretax nobody pays federal tax anymore that is where we have individual tax reform moving forward then to have accounts if you don't spend it you can keep your money is very important across the board major medical
catastrophic coverage that could be done by the private sector those with pre-existing needs paid for by the insurance companies backed up by the government everybody getsns quality time nobody goes broken that is how insurance should operate. feehan: obama said they could stay on their parents until they are 26 and you could not discriminate with medical conditions. hagedorn: we were not doing that in minnesota had 26 that's fine but the states can handle it i trust the state of minnesota with the governor and legislature will get it right more than hhs bureaucrats to decide for our doctors and patients relationship. obama care was an absolute disaster for minnesotans people paying 20 or $30000 per year with such a high
deductible the underlying insurance is ridiculous. >> my opponent likes to bring up conversations from r 2010 he has been running for congress since then. i am living in 2018 that is feeling everybody in every way or shape or form but what you hear from my opponentt i don't think going backwards is even an option right now we have to go forward. i believe in the principle free markets but the idea with private insurance that individual market that kids have the flu paying 750 out-of-pocke out-of-pocket. her reaction is simply she would not go to the doctor because it wasn't w worth it. so what i would propose is have the public option people
can buy into for medicare then it is an alternative right now it is a for-profit system making money off of other people's health. there has to be another option so they don't continue to make a buck off of people the only way congress can go forward on this is not have people under the influence of big pharma and insurance company that my own opponent is under the influence of. >> the system is almost bankrupt now. . >> take it to whoever you want to that is my contention but medicare for all socialized medicine and universal health care whatever you call it will destroy medicine as we know it.
it will make sure that we have inferior medical quality medical innovation will suffer. if you want people on medicare guess what? the mayo clinic will be reimbursed at 50 cents on the dollar rather than one dollar. they cannot sustain the model. if you do this it will destroy the progress and growth of rochester minnesota much of southern minnesota all of those buildings going up all those people flying to rochester comes to an end. this is a big choice for the people. do you want to put people in charge with socialized medicine? as far as incentives are concerned this is the way we doe business companies go out and produce medical devices and drugs and everything else. doctors go to school for many years they want a return there is nothing wrong with that.
feehan: the mayo clinic is an absolute bright idea it is an institution founded and a leader on health care why not have them at the table talking about large-scale health reform to shift this country of preventative care rather than just selling one - - treating sick people? . >> if you expand medicare it does pay less than private insurers how does that help the mayo clinic. >> to find those right incentives i talked to doctors at the mayo clinic all the time who either don't have health care they can afford or not at all. that is the default we pay for those costs in the first place of the mayo clinic as part of large-scale referrer one - - reform we save so much so that these discussions of
reimbursement are a moot point ta there are not a lot of hospitals across the country but they don't take medicare patientst for a reason from jacksonville and phoenix because the model is not sustained. they cannot make it 40 and 50 cents on the dollar. that is what socialized medicine brings us. people fly in around the world to go for medical care that comes to an end because the government controls everything. want tohe way if you have a system like canada and germany and great britain? do you know, who flies in today? people i from canada and germany and great britain they are on a waiting list and can get care of they go here where will we go when we destroy that? feehan: the us has the most expensive system in the world is not the best outcomes. hagedorn: we have the highest quality medical care in the world. feehan: not if you look atthbe e
studies. how does the private market lower that cost. >> that is what people are complaining about. . >> medical care is expensive because we have technology in the finest medical care i don't know too many americans that travel for medical care they get it here. a lot of people come in from foreign countriesyttpl from to t medical care that is my contentionwe and to drive down cost transparency goes backwards? you know, what it cost to go to the doctor to get the mri that allows people to shop and brings in competition. we don't have that right now. the incentive for healthy living you don't have to pay out any more money but dump 30000 that you don't have to
use it but if you can keep your own money at the bottom that you have the incentive for healthy living. that is what we can have with the free market and make more what we would expect from the united states of america. >> what you would hear is the moviee --dash moving backwards with the coverage of pre-existing conditions people were not entirely covered and didn't have health care in the first place. >> in minnesota? how many people did it before obama care? b-letter mcveigh paste more based on the conditions. >> they are paying less now than obama care? seriously? .. >> because of a private company who wants to make money why do we accept that?
. >> look if he thinks are better. >> i am telling you everybody they talk to every single day. and then not have to be there own doctor to not seek care this is what we end up in the first place with hundreds of millions of americans m so to make sure it is as portable as it can be. as a dysfunctional place. those that are paying for the government insurance. but if you expend that to take money out of the system but go
to canada and ask the people. . >> if you were in congress would you have voted for it? feehan: absolutely we need before but we still need tax reform that provides middle-class tax cuts directly we missed an incredible opportunity to do it so millionaires and billionaires took an incredibly large share created a bigger problem. . >> so you would have voted against that quick. >> i oppose that because it did not take reform the right way.ho $ and that they got the best deal they could have had. hagedorn: they would have voted against it like all the other democrats.
that mostly because of the corporate business tax cut. and then to get the economy stimulated it is very good for farmers. but it was good for many people who were collecting 1000 or more dollars each year should we have more tax reform? and we also called for that. education or health insurance or medicare don't pay federal income tax that is one of the biggest tax cuts people can
get. but after that make it so people can save and spend their own the way they see fit. that's the best way to get people power that's what i am all about. >> from another listener called the biggest question to ask anybody how do we pay down the federal debt? . >> obviously one congressperson to be part of a coalition happy to do that if democrats want to join us but no big omnibus bills and to reform every single agency of government starting with the pentagon. people want to make sure we have the strongest military we
can take that money and invest that into the weapon systems if needed but every agency from washington i found a niche and decided we could do some things different my boss gave me the go-ahead going to presidentt clinton working with steny hoyer and others i worked in the bipartisan way every member came up with half a billion dollars we would be better off with the deficit. why should the taxpayers of the united states pay for federal employees to go to and from work? why do we do that? they are the most affluent people in the country they should have to pay their own way they don't even pay taxes on thatho benefit. that would save half a billion dollars is dan for that? . >> what would you do.
feehan: what about cutting the military was part of that? hagedorn: i said reforming the military. >> so talk about the tax bill that is added to our debt so talk about the challenges with real tax reform that is the opposite making over $1 million that is unacceptable but to talk about cost if we ended the war today with every single cost along the way to be there and veteran care would be $5 trillion the biggest thing we could do with the burden of congresses to shoulder theou burden perpetually as we are
today. >> un council onclim climate change said this week we have to take drastic action or it will get reallyy bad. do you agree and what would you do with it? . >> yes i agree it should be a function we had a couple a a few nights ago he just said it is the worth - - the earth warming and cooling i have the perspective of people like secretary mattis and the joint chiefs who believe long-term that is climate change but the next immediate question from the perspective of southern minnesota to have incredible amount of rain recently to
change the landscape of the district and erasing them from the face of the earth so that we do to not embrace the paris climate accords to make sure we are doing everything possibly locally to make sure we are energy independent not relying on fossil fuels and making an effort not to do so and make sure people like u.s. navy becoming energy independent because that is toci the benefit of all of us along the way but if you're opening premisey is i don't believe it then we have another thing coming. >> really it doesn't matter it's what you do about it if you think it's a problem and it's man-made then what do you do about it? a lot of people on the left say spend money to relocate or make changes but to transform
our energy sector and turn the economy upside down over the premise at some point the world comes to an end? i don't agree with that because it is highly destabilizing driving up the cost for everybody to make us less affluent. i support a policy of energy independence for the united states with that all of the above approach that he does not understand the issue to be energy independent every source except crude oil the only way to become energy independent is to drill for more crude oil that i support the trap administration is done a good job in this area also to make sure we have the infrastructure to utilize our energy resources. we have more than any other country in the world pipelines and refineries those are things democrats are not fond of the laborers are leaving the party.
they don't like keystone after that make sure we have a policy in place with abundant reliable and affordable energy when the price of energy goes up the price of every product and service goes up money out of your back pocket makes us less competitive everything they want to do will takemp power from the united states sending it to the trading adversaries like brazil or china and others. do you support carbon tax or the climate accord? what do you support? feehan: just to be clear you don't support any of that? . >> the answer is to do nothing. this is a very real thing used military installations around
the world because of climate change we need to do something about climate change what is your reaction. >> to say we have to adapt but i did hear the general mattis say he was for the paris climate accord or the for the ban on fracking or the carbon tax. >> we are supporting and defending our servicemembers these are american troops because ofre climate change. >> how do you get o there dan? feehan: have to make sure first and foremost, maker sells energy independent going away from fossil fuels. but if we are not doing e everything to make up of the interaction of the paris climate accord we will fall
further and further iry behind o make sure the climate reform bill makes its way forward. that increases our - - decreases our carbon footprint to take advantage that we have economically with renewable energy like solar and wind. . >> act on climate change we will put it up on the facebook page. and you still don't tell us to act on climate change to supportrt a paris climate accord. so to support those regulations on methane to stop us for resources. what's a farmer supposed to do? . >>ma stop farming today or
tomorrow? into actually deal with the impact right now. how do we make sure dealing with more rain than ever before? it is a matter of action not in action. your position is clear and it doesn't reflect the views of southern minnesota. we will let the voters decide. border? >> of course. we need a wall, fencing, every kind of security border we can. so that illegal folks, drugs, everybody else, don't come over and into the united states unless through a legal process. his against the wall. he commented on that. we get that. overall, what we need to do,
finally have a president that wants to deal with it. let's secure america's border once and for all. the wall is half the problem. the other half is we have five or so million people were flown into the united states on temporary visas that have never left. they shouldn't -- terrorist comforting terrorist countries some of them. we need to secure our country in many different ways. we also need immigration. generous country in the world, for bringing in immigrants, 1 million a year. that's wonderful. we should be in a position to know who is coming. are they going to assimilate? contribute to our economy? i they going to be come part of the fabric america? it's not good to for this to happen here. >> the premise of the question is do we need to cut our country safe? absolutely. there is no one better to represent southern minnesota and
someone who spent two tours in iraq. keeping this country safe. i'm insulted by the idea that my opponent thinks i wouldn't be able to be a part of this conversation. that's not what my service me. if we are thinking about how to keep this country safe, it doesn't start with the one way you do it. such with the broader conversation about the very much, the real threats facing our country. it doesn't have anything to do with order. bioterrorism, many different ways you can enter this country. if our focus is on spent on the idea of a wall, we are going to miss things that are bigger threat to this country. if you want to have a conversation, great. i'd be happy to do immigration reform. people in need of workers, people who want an economic case for immigration reform. national security case. we need to get the image of a human capital we have to keep our economy strong. i'm someone who is able -- i
guess worker program. i'm someone who believes in making doctor law. >> the irish specter, everyone does. this is about service in the u.s. house of representatives. it doesn't seemed like, whatever it is you learn to the military has translated into informed position on this issue. that reflect with southern minnesotans. they don't want this actuary politics that you are talking about. on the record saying that the federal government to do its job and immigration in the states and the communities, they shouldn't have anything to do with it. you make minnesota think of a state, like you are talking about, you're going to have illegal aliens from his penn
state region rolling interior, driving up crimes and process. not good for the people. we need to protect them. that's why they endorsed me because they know i am on their side. we want to make sure we have our community safe. >> would you do anything on immigration reform? >> absolutely. we have to have a verifiable work for program. so people can come to the united states, fill jobs in order to help farmers and others. they come here on a temporary basis, if they want to go to and from, that's fine. maybe we set it up so they can build credit, get citizenship. we should do that. i support that bill. it was voting on many multiple. make sure we are going to have border security so when we do do support somebody, they don't come back over. when should ice do its job?
>> i'd be happy to quote it's important. the idea here, my opponent suggested the things i learned overseas one good for southern minnesota. i think i'm speaking right now. it is a consistent thing. this is a person that while i was overseas, serving our country, he sat behind a desk, blogging about military veterans. blogging about the idea that a triple amputee was a half soldier. they should just roll away. this the character and viewpoint he has. it is telling of how he would represent an conducts. how he would disregard the viewpoints. i'm someone who views this different. i took an oath of office to serve in support and defend this constitution. regardless of anyone.
that's the oath you take in congress. my experience informs how i would represent, and his character speaks for himself. >> that's a stretch. the idea that you in the military, all of a sudden on this political issue where you take a very liberal position that you're qualified. you're going to speak for the people. i don't excel. they want things ray cities, open borders, amnesty, you are a candidate. if you want to defend the border, have things like a work program, i'm a candidate that people can choose. >> i was going to give you a minute at the end closing statement, we are down to 30 seconds out. >> i hope our listens saw a contrast today. the contrast was clear. it's not a matter of substance. it's a matter of approach. washington is a broken place. it's full of jim today. it makes no sense to send another went there. independent voice that is grown by the values and beliefs of southern minnesota. that's why am. informed by my beliefs in
service and a need for a voice in washington. >> i had to say i'm a product of the district who has been working for five years, i were the badge of honor in 21 counties. i think i reflect the views and values of people in southern minnesota, i humbly ask for their vote. i look forward to the next few weeks in the campaign with you. >> thank you very much. both candidates. thanks to everybody who sent in questions today, election day is coming up, november 6. be sure to get out and vote. i hope this helped you make up