tv Ryan Zinke Scott Pruitt at Dallas GOP Reagan Dinner CSPAN April 26, 2019 9:32am-10:08am EDT
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other side at all. >> watch this weekend on book tv on c-span2. >> next, former epa administrator scott pruett, and former interior secretary ryan zinke look at energy policies and what it was like to work with president trump. he spoke recently at a dallas county republican dinner for about a half hour. >> our epa has many cut through it and i'll tell you what we have seen in the last two years that's been incredible. with cutting regulations, cutting all those job-killing regulations, scott pruitt has been so key in the economic boom we've had in america as the yoke of bondage has been taken from our businesses. scott pruitt entered the oklahoma political stage in 1998 when he was elected in the
state senate. after two years, selected by his peers to serve as the republican whip. from 2001-2003, before being named the republican assistant floor leader, a position that he held until he left the state legislatu legislature. a man that's really responsible for a lot of what we are enjoying today. scott pruitt. [applaus [applause] >> the next person on the stage was the 52nd secretary of the interior, ryan zinke. he was a u.s. navy seal from 1986 until 2008. retiring with the rank of commander, and he was telling me earlier, it was a lot easier to be a navy seal than to be secretary of the interior.
zinke has a distinction to be the first navy seal elected to the united states house of representatives and told me the difference was when he was a navy seal, he could shoot back. let us bring to the stage secretary of interior ryan zinke. [applaus [applause] >> and as our moderator, jackie, is a senior fellow of the texas public policy foundation, previously jackie served as general counsel to an engineering firm, specializing in energy, environmental cleanup, national security. let us bring to the stage, jackie. [applaus [applause] >> thank you, god bless you.
>> all right, and we have precious little time because there is a plane to be kept. start, with the honorable scott pruitt. i think that many americans are surprised at the limited ability of the president to take on the deep state. he is the chief executive. you headed his federal agency. what do you recommend for taking down the deep state? >> jacki, it's good to be with you and in dallas. ryan, we worked closely on a number of issues. jacki's question is really what the administration has been about since day one, taking on the regulatory state, that the obama administration had, there's no other way for the epa, the oil sector, agriculture sector, many sectors of our economy, the
agency was weaponized against those sectors. when we came in, the president called me on the day of my confirmation, scott, you're in the second most important agency beyond department of defense. he knew domestically how important it was for rights to ship and that we adopted regulations that didn't declare war on fossil foil, that we were blessed with natural resources that we should use to serve our economy and fellow man, in generating power, but in feeding the world so we truly had a lot of work to do at the epa, jacki. as i came into the position that was most striking to me, there were people there truly, as you might expect, not radical, but focused on the agenda of the previous administration, what was so striking, jacki, there were many people languishing, didn't have much focus, that didn't have focus on results. when we got back to the basic,
federalism, partnering with states, making sure to focus on results. did what the statute required us to do and better things happened. outcomes for the environment. ryan i know can speak to this as well. in a year and a half, we cut a billion and a half dollars from our economy with respect to regulatory cause and the president led that charge. [applause] >> very good. next question for commander zinke. what is the impact of the american energy revolution? >> you know, it's funny, the president called me and said interi interior-- >> yeah, you look at, you know, i'm a geologist and i served in the montana state legislature and first of all, veterans, would the veterans please stand? stand? [applaus [applause] >> and remain standing. law enforcement, fire, and
public service would you stand, too. [applaus [applause] >> you look at ten years ago, you've heard the term pink oil. and i am pro american energy. you look at ten years ago we were being held hostage by foreign nations and as a navy seal, i fought in a lot of of battles, 23 years. i don't want your kids, your children ever to see what i've seen. and now today, when the president took office, we were 8.2 million barrels a day and declining. when i left, we were 12.5 million barrels a day and rising. [applaus [applause] >> america is the number one oil and gas producer on the planet. and so why is that important? first of all, environmentally.
and i proudly say i'm an environmentalist. but so was ronald reagan and so was dick nixon. the republican party is a party of the environment. it was the republican party clean air, clean water, endangered species act. it's the republican party that are cattlemen out there protecting our nation's land. why is it important environmentally? it's better to produce energy in this country under a reasonable regulation than watching it produced overseas with no regulation. if you don't believe me, i'll take you on a tour to some places that i've seen, in africa in the middle east, that's how not to produce energy. so environmentally, it's the right policy. secondly, economically. what drives our economy. what drives texas? if you're going to testify in
this country, the cost of steel is about the same in south korea as it is in midland, texas. what america does better than any country in the world is innovation and our energy costs are now low. we can compete and manufacture any country in the world. and lastly, morally, is that i never want to see our country ever again held hostage by a foreign country over energy needs. not when we have it here. i don't want to see our kids deployed. if you want to deal with iran or russia, there's only two ways. you can deal with them militarily or you can deal with them economically. and the u.s. is in a position now to subplant every drop of iranian crude. that is unthinkable ten years ago.
when you think about texas, the presidential election is coming up. there was no path for president donald j. trump to win except through texas, no path. [applause] >> and texas took some hits last election. and many of us have been in the republican party a long time. so you go back ten years ago and remember what it was like was a democratic controlled house, a democratically controlled senate and a democratically controlled executive. you remember obamacare, you remember pushing things through. and remember how hard we fought to get the congress? and it was a battle and all of us worked together and we finally got the house and you said, you know what? the house is not enough, we need the senate. we all fought together and we
got the senate majority. and they said you know what? if only we had the presidency. and all of us shared in enormous amount of effort to get the presidency. and then we thought the war was over. because last election, we forgot what it's like to fight. and it's same in the fields that you fight every day and you earn your trident every day, and now we know what the opposition wants because they've said it. in uncertain terms, absolute terms, the opposition has said, what their vision of america should be. the vision of open borders.
it's a vision infanticide, not third trimester, of a living child. it's a vision of 16 year voting. it's a vision of socialism. this isn't just wild allegations, these are facts, what has been said. in our country, our values are now at risk. and texas has to not only perfo perform, texas has to outperform. i was a montana congressman. i used to come to dallas to fund raise and pete sessions used to help me a lot because we recognized dallas was gratef grateful, if you're running in the legislature in congress, dallas was a must-stop.
this election is now critical. everything we've learned is on the table. once again, texas is counted on. so, thank you, texas. [applaus [applause] >> and back to mr. pruitt, it's been said that the u.s. is advocating its leadership position worldwide on environmental issues. people don't know about your record. what happened while you were at epa? tell us about superfund sites, lead and copper in the water, cleaning up uranium. clean air. what is the true record under the trump administration? >> jacki, a great question and i want to build on something that ryan said because the fact there was an article a couple years ago that came out
entitled "the greatest story seldom told". the american economy we've done it better than anyone in the world, growing our economy and being a good steward of our environment. those pollutants we regulate, as an example under the clean air act, regulating them since 1970 and reduced those pollutants almost 85% since the clean air act. with respect to superfund sites under this administration, the trump administration, we cleaned up ten times the number of sites of the most toxic sites in our entire country. there was an example in st. louis, missouri, west lake, missouri. there was a solid waste landfill there, just outside of st. louis. 38,000 tons of solid waste, 8,000 tons of uranium from the manhattan project. all told together, discovered in 1970, put on the superfund list in 1990. when president trump nominated
me and then when i was confirmed and i started serving, in 2017, 27 years after that site had been listed as a site that was a priority, we need to get the uranium cleaned up, the agency had not even made a decision on how to clean it up. not clean it up, but just a decision. do we excavate or do we cap? that's a decision, they took 27 years not to make a decision. i went to st. louis, missouri after having started and said we're going to make a decision in six months. made the decision in six months and within five years, over 80% of the uranium will be excavated and the rest will be capped. that's what the trump administration did to benefit the environment at the same time that deregulation was taking place and a billion and a half dollars of savings was happening to the american economy. you can't have your cake and eat it, too. and what ryan said. we need to celebrate that. we have nothing to be apologetic about. that's really what the paris accord decision that the president made.
tremendous decision. tremendous decision because paris was not about co 2 reduction. how can you say that? how can you say that the paris accord was not about co 2 reduction? ask yourself this, if asia is the largest contributor to co 2 in the world, why did china skate until 2030 under the paris accord? why did india, also skate until 2030 and also receive two and a half trillion dollars of aid in the paris accord? because they weren't taking steps to address environmental issues. most of pollution that we deal with on air quality, comes from asia. we've made tremendous progress. the theory that believes are somehow about deregulation and not concerned about the environment, that's not the case. what this administration bass about was saying we're not going to use the power of the federal government to treat them as enemies more than friends and do what the world
does on an annual basis. we should celebrate that, not demean it. look, it's exciting what's going on domestically with respect to our in energy economy, but ryan is right, we're exporting lng and coal, we're doing substantial and we should, it better for air quality for the entire world. jacki, i tell you, when you look at the actual attainment of this administration, 10% better under this administration. the united states rule, a terrible rule. it was used to weaponize against ag sector and real estate and the rest and we got rid of that. we said we are going to be partners. having served at the attorney general on the state level, i get what federalism means and get abbott, they care about the air they breathe and water they drink and we should treat them this, as opposed to an
adversary. and that's what the administration changed. [applause] >> so i gave him a chance to set the record straight. how about you? what was your greatest achievement at interior? >> probably the greatest achievement-- and first of all, interior. what is interior? interior is actually 12 time zones. it goes from the virgin islands all the way out to palao. territories are interior. interior was the fourth oldest department. department of war, if you don't like your neighbor. department of state if you do like your neighbor and want to negotiate. you have the department of war, and those are the departments. so, the last department in 1849 was interior. so interior has 573 sovereign tribes. so all the issues fall in interior. 12 time zones, one fifth of the territory of the united states falls under interior and no one loves public land more than i
do. you can love it as much , but you don't love it any more than i do. so the greatest challenge i had was giving the states and local communities a voice back of how to manage land. because public land, by definition, belongs to us all. public land is the public's. and yet, you have some radical environmental groups that want to stop access. they want to shut roads down. shut trails down. prevent you from using your land. you know, patagonia made in china. heavily criticized the trump administration and me. if they were so concerned about the environment, maybe they should manufacture in the united states where they have environmental regulations. maybe they should manufacture and not paid child wages.
maybe they should have a policy that says we want to open up public land rather than prevent access so you and i can't enjoy our land. so, the biggest challenge was to reverse the trend of federalism to let the state, including texas, it doesn't have a lot of public land, but the public land does belong to us all. and we all have a say in how it's used. but there's a lot of people that want to bubble wrap public land and look at it, but they don't want you on it. and i'm an outdoors, i hunt and fish like many of us, i want to leave that same legacy to my children. but there is an element of radical environmentalism that talks about conservation, but there are decoys. that's not really what they are
for. they're for preservation at all costs. last year we, the taxpayers, spent probably in the order of three or four billion dollars fighting forest fires. burning our forests down to the ground. there are literally billions of board feet lying on the forest floor rotting and yet, we import lumber in this country. paradise, california. a town of about 25,000 people. 80% of the homes in paradise were burned. we're lucky we didn't have 5,000 deaths. and yet, there's people out there that will refuse to cut a single tree. and we've got to go back to the principles of pincho and teddy
roosevelt of managing our lands, no different than your property, but managing requires science, best practices, best, best human principles of conservation. so, that was the greatest challenge of reversing this trend and i think we were successful. and by metrics. we're the first administration that initiated wild life corridors because corridors matter for wild life. we increased -- we're the first administration that looked at the fundamental principles of multiple use. it's been a long time since we talked about local communities having its say in how we use our public lands. so, i think we were successful, but it's this battle is far, far from over. and now, the first two years
the trump administration, they give you one more example. if you go back to udall, secretary udall, he had all his staff in in two weeks and the staff is the director of fish and wildlife, director of park service. when i left after two years in, the department of interior did not have a director of the parks service. it did not have a director of the fish and wildlife service. it did not have a director of bom. it did not have a director of-- why? because the democrats don't want this president to succeed even about if success hurts this country. they are willing to make sure that the forests burn down. they're willing to pollute our oceans. they are willing to do anything for power. i once thought, you know what?
we could work with people, that red, white and blue, but d.c. has become so caustic, so one-lane that it's going to take a republican wave to fix it. and that wave, again, begins here in dallas. [applaus [applause] >> so, building off of that and what happens in dallas, you and i, mr. pruitt, had a great discussion about your challenges and you seemed to think that, and i might agree, the media can be as big a challenge as the deep state for someone who is trying to clean up washington. you had a modest proposal for what may be conservatives can do to try to take on that challenge. can you share that? >> well, i think, you know -- i
think that jacki is referring to, most of you here probably doesn't know that our air quality improved under the trump administration. most of you didn't know that we had cleaned up ten times the number of sites in the super fund arena. at the same time we were deregulating. the story, the american people, i think, deserve better than what they're getting as far as trout and what's happening as far as policy. you know, and this administration, i think it's done wonderful things across the full spectrum of agencies. not just in the interior not just the epa not just in education. it's across other agencies as well and the american people need to hear that message and so, we've got to start asking the question, how do we achieve that? how do we actually get that message out? and some of us is through grass roots, what you do for the party here in dallas counties and across the state texas and across the country there needs to be conservatives across the country, wealthy folks, need to
get together and buy newspapers. we need to buy some distributors of information to make sure that there is balance in the marketplace for the issues. ... we should put up fences and do not touch. when we do that what happens? fuel costs rise. food prices increased as well. we don't feed the world. we don't power the world. when you ask the question what is true and fundamentalism, the answer is what? stewardess him.
god has blessed us as a nation. our is to manage those resources during the times of future generations. we can do that at the same time is growing and economy. we need to have that discussion as a country. this ebb and flow up-and-down the obama administration the radical the other direction. i shared yesterday it's amazing when i went into the agency i said three things to folks at the agency on day one that i said number one, we're going to be about what the statute says. when the statue says the cleaner actor clean water act or superfund, we are going to do with the statute says. secondly, we're going to cooperate with the states because when you look at those and by middle statutes, clean air act and the rest, congress recognized the states have a role. eric holder issues in texas are different than are in the west coast. water quality issues in utah are different than minnesota. congress recognized that and
they and great in the statute specific roles to states. i told agency we will do with the statute says. we will partner with the states. we will measure results. to me that doesn't sound radical. it's only radical because the previous administration because when they took the statute, the clean water act and adopted the waters of the united states will, they reinvented it. when the did the clean power plant, they reinvented. they declared war and fossil fuels. an agency of the federal government declaring war against coal or natural gas. that makes no sense whatsoever. we have to have a dialogue as a country through mechanisms to make informed decisions to be educated about how much progress we've made but also recognize the role of the states.
there's much work to be done. what i'm so thankful for, this president, i told you but the president once before he called me to serve. i bedded in norman, oklahoma, and doug and i were going to football game. it didn't turn out very well. it didn't go so well but the president came in for a fundraiser at barry switchers house. i got a chance is been sometime within. i did wake up one day and said i'm dreaming to be the epa administrator. i was fine and happy in oklahoma. i was serving as attorney general and doing what -- forgive me, but when he called he called ryan come he called me, called others and said i'm going to put people in position in leadership that will get things done. they will confront the prophecy, focus on results. ryan did that in interior and a did that at epa. when you do that in washington, d.c., guess what happens, combustion. all kinds of things happen.
praise god it's happening because we need this as a country. in 2020 we need more of that. if this president is reelected, get the house back and let's see a revolution take place to make sure we continue the agenda. this. [applause] >> i'm getting the signal we just want to make sure you -- it is 815 done that. my job is make sure you don't miss the plane. i want to make sure we're all taking care of you. >> i think we're good. >> ryan needs to close as well. >> please, a closing statements. >> people as to what it's like to work for the president. he's a delightful boss. i'll give you an example. the president as you know he doesn't have any inner monologue, so whatever the present is thinking, it comes right out. as a new yorker, he doesn't turn a cheek either.
some of us in the new testament, we look at john, turn a cheek. i've never seen the president take the first swing, but believe me when someone takes a swing at him, he goes for it. he doubles down. i tell this story because it gives a picture of the presiden president, that oftentimes as with the vice president and the president during speeches. the president of the campaign, he used to literally come up with a card, a business card, write down a few things adenauer and half later he would look at the card and say, dedicate everything in? the message was all over. all right, you've got to get on the teleprompter. we're going to put you on the teleprompter. how the teleprompter works with the vice president is there's a teleprompter master that controls the computer and the speed.
mike pence is a second nicest person i've ever met in my life. the nicest is ben carson. he's absolutely them nicest. but when the vice president goes through these speeches it's just an artful example of organization. he reads every line. his diction is perfect. the pace is wonderful. it stops. there is an applause line, he keeps going. his prompter master is there. so the president also has a teleprompter master. his name is brad. and brad has got long hair, is get earbuds. brad has been with president since the early times and brad is like the bass guitar player of a backup band. because the president will begin, and three or four sentences in his off the page. you see this teleprompter do this. it drops because brad has done this week times before, the president is going to talk about
that subject, that's like paragraph 75. that's the president. in the middle of the speech the president will be reading the speech and he goes, that's not right. who wrote this? that's not what i think. i i mean, who does that? only one. that's the president. the president is the most unique president in the history of this country, because it happens at a unique time. the direction of this country needed a shockwave. it needed a disruptor. someone who did not think the status quo was the right direction. and the president is not status quo. he is a disruptor battling a very bureaucratic government which we become. and that bureaucratic