tv Alison Dagnes Super Mad at Everything All the Time CSPAN May 12, 2019 12:00am-12:50am EDT
serious violence when we dilute the use of the word in circumstances that something that the government may not do to you or to facilitate happening to you . >> hello everyone. i work for the libertarian group but more importantly i have the privilege that we could not be any more different when i first met back in 2008 i was a kid from a redneck town who had an
unhealthy obsession with glenn beck. [laughter] and meaning running into a producer for c-span i believe she was wearing the obama t-shirt at the time. i walked away knowing three things one of the most energetically intense people and that she deeply loves her students and also a true democrat so now the obama t-shirt aside i mean she values of almost everything else not only of different opinions that people who hold those opinions that's why
she's the perfect person to write this book. today we live in a polarized country. not only are people given opinions and different ideologies that both sides are not only not talking to each other from studying research and writing to bring a depth of knowledge and experience to explain what we can do about it to figure out how to make this country the very best that it can be i can say with 100 percent certainty she organized on campus and writing resumes and letters of
recommendation if you talk to any of her students both right and left current and former they will all tell similar stories and how she changed their lives. that is the patriotism few people can hope to achieve and her unheard-of dedication to democracy. if you have not had the privilege to sit in one of her classes don't worry you can buy her book today. [laughter] [applause] without further ado it's my extreme honor to introduce to you one of the best people i have ever met. [applause]
. >> anything that comes after that seems really, really weak in comparison. thank you tyler. the greatest joy of being a professor is watching students come in on their wobbly legs and then growing and maturing to become these amazing adults and then they graduate and go out in the world with fully functioning fantastic human beings and i have former students here today so tyler thank you that is the nicest. thank you for coming and to cramer books for hosting and for joining us.
i grew up in washington d.c. and i spent so much time here that when i came in tonight i almost went into the kitchen to fix myself a snack because i am so happy to be pleased to be surrounded by family friends i'm a political science professor in pennsylvania working in political media for almost 30 years now and i thought i had a handle on the terrain. and then something happened october 2015 to make me realize i was out of my depth. i was with my daughter who was with a rec league volleyball team and practicing. of a good parent as i go to the practices but not a great parent because i don't pay attention. i was grading papers and
gentleman was sitting away from me he was on his iphone and stood up and turned around and looked at me. i did not know who he was. i made eye contact he opened his mouth and said so i am multitalented so involves curse words some people have a real objection to curse words but i don't and my students are nodding so this is what he said to me i will tell you what this country will be much better when donald trump is president when obama was
elected i knew this country would fail and it did. do you know, why? i have a friend who said my friend served in iraq obama does not even salute the troops i have nothing against women i like women my boss is a woman and she takes no. [bleep] i like women so i have got no problem with a woman but not hillary she is shady as. [bleep] but a woman president i have a problem with that you know, would make a good woman president? sarah palin. at this point i started to look around because i was convinced they were going to put this on youtube with a headline that says professor freaks out but nobody was around us. he just kept talking a couple more minutes he stopped just
as quickly as he started and motioned to the papers on my lap and said are you a teacher? he said that's cool and step down and got back onto his iphone. so i went home and blogged about it because that's what we do that so i remembered what he said but it was before the primaries even started i told my students and they laughed especially the hillary part they said it's funny but he is right. donald trump is great. i was taken aback. what do you mean? they said seriously he is perfect and terrific. where are you getting this?
they said we read about him from breitbart and drudge report. but i thought that was okay because i also didn't read the "huffington post" either i got my news from "the washington post" and "the new york times" so i'm getting journalism and hard facts. so then i began to realize that something was happening and we began talking in different languages so to try to figure out what was going on i try to do research and instead i began interviews. journalist and producers and folks working in dc and academic experts to get my arms around what was
happening. i found out the american political media are polarized but not in equal ways. we like to think it's left versus right liberal versus conservative but that is not as what is happening. there is a gigantic sphere of mainstream media including those journalists that i talked about but also perfectly liberal and conservative outlets. they operate in an ecosystem where much of the public gets their information if i would name all of the outlets we be here until next tuesday. but the other sphere is a very tightly closed noncompetitive right wing media circle that has a very specific set of
outlets. they see themselves as the antidote to the mainstream press and operate with different messages and everybody outside of them fox news is at the epicenter because they were the biggest and the first to say we will be conservative on purpose. take that and it was so successful it spawned a lot of imitators. right wing media circles that i cobbled together foxes at the epicenter but also great breitbart sinclair salem daily wire daily caller. "washington examiner" and that's it.
and that is pretty surprising to think so few outlets really are able to have the power that they do. the way that i compiled these outlets they have a very specific set of qualities. they are very distinctive that with the mainstream press it's that they are openly oppositional and in their mission statement they state their purpose is to provide a counter narrative or a counterbalance to the mainstream press to the journalist out there fox news is the exception and they do have excellent reporters but
the trina drives fox news it's really their opinion side so most of the stuff that you see is really commentary. they are self reinforcing and even t ted comes into this but they don't compete with one another for clicks and hits and they want the ratings but they aren't doing the battle to scoop each other they are not competing against one another but reinforcing one another especially with the narrative that they continue to perpetuate. so to give you an idea of the power and strength, fox news on cable is the number one cable news channel 208 straight months for go that's more than 17 years and if that
isn't enough please note that fox news is not just number one cable news channel but the number one cable channel. they have higher ratings than espn and mainstream tv. they are dominant. then if you go on to the web the political site that has the most unique monthly visitors of the 15 most popular eight of those five are liberal and to her centrist. they have serious power and reach. because so much of the american public about 30 percent get their news and information from this tight circle of outlets that means we are speaking two different
languages. so there are four reasons this all came together so it's not as if he came into town and then donald trump said this is the way it will be but for different things happened at once without any of these four ingredients none of this would've happened the first ingredient is there is a fifty-year conservative argument against the media specifically and governments getting too big and colleges being too liberal so we have heard the media liberal that has been brewing for quite some time and it is rooted in some truth this isn't a fantasy that somebody came up
with and then just let it go. it is a constant drumbeat. these are all arguments as grievance policies. and please remember none of this is new president trump says enemy of the people but so did nixon and spiro agnew if you are ever in times of darkness read spiro agnew quotations they are magnificent really. and written by a lot of bright people and pat buchanan. he wrote this one and it's one of my favorites. spiro agnew said newspaper editors were part of a fraternity of privileged men who knew nothing. it sounds so resonant because
it has been brewing for quite some time and pat buchanan is the og of shade throwing. so the effects of this foundation makes it very difficult to trust. it has forced a decline in the media we have today and polls show on the right that legacy journalistic outlets are not trusted in greater percentages. and when we have this much disgusted opens the door for something new and an alternativ alternative. that was the foundation and the next thing to happen was the technology growing over the last 50 years.
students are used to all of this technology. but things change very quickly so i have to remind my students to let them know that if technology were people broadband would not be old enough to drink and twitter would just be preparing for his bar mitzvah so all of these changes happened quickly and we have adjusted in one of those is the flood of options that we have we have so many options now in so many ways to get information it is good but sometimes i feel very overwhelmed if i have too many options which is hard to sort through. it has sped things up to the
point now it's called the snap decision society and he is not wrong. we get the information and we react to it and everything is emotional that connects us but also divides us. the biggest consequence is everything that could be made so that financial imperative changed. media monetization is that it is important for these outlets to get viewers or their readers or listeners. it does not take that much to make money for the political media but it takes attention and that is the problem because ad revenue is as old
as newspapers but now to get that attentio attention, it makes for a noisy and crowded media landscape. there are so many voices out there. it's hard to be heard over everybody else so you have to turn up the volume which means yelling or to say something that is so bananas it gets the attention that you want. so that makes it confusing and scary for a lot of people. i work out in the mornings at the y-letter the television will be on and on cable news are seven people all at once and everybody is yelling because they just want that 30 seconds of airtime. i get it because they want the
guest that brings the heat. i understand that imperative but really it just makes for an environment that can feel like an assault sometimes is all of the stuff thrown at us and it makes hard for an audience to understand significantly it's hard to understand what's important if everybody is screaming about north korea and then everybody screams about a hurricane how do i prioritize clicks so those all happened and then the mother load came in and the fourth reason because of the political polarization that is plaguing our society. it is natural for us to sort
ourselves and i get that but we have turned our normal grouping of ourselves we now just group ourselves into these identities by consuming media and that we only talk to people who already agree with us. that is something that is really difficult so to all of the polarization today there have been so many excellent books written about this i just want to name check those outstanding ones liliana mason , mark hetherington darrell west and many others they are doing the yeoman's job i don't
delve too much into it but they stress that outrage for the audience and it is vital to stay and they make them feel like the existential threat so it's interesting sometimes. is not even apples and oranges but if you watch the news hour there are two experts talking to each other and then responding and it is very civilized than on cable news people just scream at each other constantly. and the language that is used as a battle language and is
deeply personal and extends way beyond the ballot box or electoral colleges into every single facet of our life. it's not just a democrat or republican but if we buy a nike clothing it is political or chick-fil-a now you really make something. i am a political scientist i believe in a political life it can be fun but a life that is so polarized that you are mad at everything is counterproductive. i have friends on the right say that i will not eat chicken wrapped in homophobia and others will say i want my chicken to be godly. your chicken is in a biscuit
you can have it and not betray your core values. i do think it's very difficult for some people and that is because of the media that we have. if these all did not happen at once i argue the system we have today probably would not exist. but it does. the right wing media became very lucrative and successful. they see themselves as an antidote to the mainstream media and encourage anger and win at all cost and us versus them and is the filter bubble for 30 percent of the public so now we are all wrapped in polarization is not as ideal for policymaking because we
are losing the ability to compromis compromise. we are losing the ability to talk with somebody and not scream at them and acting emotionally instead of thoughtfully. so with all of that that is terribly depressing here are some possible solutions. one is to look at the political media diets like we look at the food diet. balance is key and important not only to consume that is unhealthy but doing a book talk i went to a local diner to have breakfast and said
whatever your local dish is give me that. in emporia kansas the big dish is called the big mess. it consisted of tater tot tots, sausage gravy, eggs, cheese, and jalapeno bacon. my first reaction was all my god that's disgusting and then i'll take it. it was delicious if you are ever in emporia kansas i strongly recommend getting that it was fantastic. but only once or twice a year tops because if you eat it more than that it will kill you so that is a good analogy for the sharp partisan media it's nasty and snarky but you cannot live on it.
that should be your dessert. but the protein should be the good data-driven, faxon journalism that we now have so many different choices. if you want a good pasta side salad then delve into some analysis because there is some terrific analysis so our media diet that is one trick i would recommend. another is listed in more. and they know this to be true. 200 organizations are out there with your church group or book club to help you hear
other people better to come into your life to be a better listener. one is the national institute for civil discourse and we really do need to hear other people's opinions. and the way for those 200 organizations and then to listen and that we need these people to help us stop talking and hear other people is a little heart wrenching. . >> and we are ill-equipped to
determine between fake news and real news. we all think we know it when we see it because no you didn't. it is not those crazy stories that you hear that nobody would believe that. fake news is much more pernicious because it is just close enough to the truth in your inherent bias a wants you to believe that. to believe tha. . . . .
i printed it out and put on my door on my office. all my students come in and say, did trump really tweet you? i said no, i love that you think i'm that important. being that they believe it, not just that they are fallible, they are not. it's just exactly something he would do. because it's something like he would do and trump supporters, they think it's really cool. college professor is the one who was the thought of his tweets. it's not just that we have to be better at figuring that out but we also have to be better at figuring out what is new and opinion. that is hard to do. i tried to do that with my students. sometimes i get caught up because every now and then is not labeled accurately. or not labeled at all. it makes it difficult because people say, i thought i was
reading for journalistic fact-based report or something. nobody's opinion works it way in. learning how to read and digest so much information coming at us. i think the last thing i want to emphasize now is that we really need to continue the conversation among all americans. we should not be viewing politics as this win, lose proposition the way we are right now. it's not a zero-sum game. turning into this battle driven more really takes the future out of it. that's a problem. we can disagree with one another without being disagreeable. it's important to continue the conversation and keep it going because arguably, they are going to keep going. so because we need that, so much
we have to keep talking to one another. i promise you, i practice what i preach. i got lots of wonderful friends from different elements of my life, thank you. i also have at home a group of mom friends or daughters, all the same age and they grew up together. we call ourselves the money market. we have coffee mugs that we are the dollars you, mommy off your on the side. all of us are friends and we are there for each other. we are each other's support network. i know we don't agree on politics, probably all that much. i don't know how they voted, i think they know how i voted but what i do know is that they don't really care. i don't care either. we are more than just one thing. we're not just and an ra number. not just somebody who is a member of human rights campaign.
we are more than just one thing. i see a liberal college professor and i can also be a month. i also be a friend. i also be a mediocre dancer and i make a really good chocolate chip cookie. if you don't be out because of one of those things, you're missing the cookies. those are the reasons to come. so to kind of and with that, i do want to continue the conversation with people here. open up the floor with questions. first, i want to thank you all very much for coming tonight because i appreciate it. i will answer any questions you have. >> if you have any questions, feel free to ask right here. [applause]
>> if there are any questions, lineup right here by me. >> i thank you can pull out a little more. >> the mainstream media, real journalism what we consider what you teach and so forth, that you should be fair to all sides. you are really then giving the close new grave link, you are extending their requests, you are also making a case for what they are saying in most cases. how does the mainstream journalism deal with this new reality and not itself given,
leaning so much toward advocacy that they are actually giving out initials to the other side? >> really good question. i think it's very important, a lot of this, what we are still on sort of new ground. a lot of it has to be decided. one of the big debate means into that question of yours, should reporters tweet? if you think about it, that's a really good question. if a reporter tweets their opinion, what they are doing is advertising what their positions are. i come to this with the c-span background where you are not allowed to have a political opinion, because it's not even the point. organizations have to figure this out.
i think one very important thing, that i feel fairly strong about because i will not advise a news organization on what to do. i think one thing to help, would be if they are more diverse. not just talking about race and gender, also iago. , where people are hired from because right now, it's a lot of east coast, west coast, elite universities. i get that but if newsrooms are more diverse in terms of hiring people from the middle of the country, where i live, but also you have a more diverse appellation in your newsroom. more diversity than just this kind of like left versus right. what higher more libertarians. people from the green party and communitarians, and i think if we have a body of journalists is very rich in opinions and
backgrounds and experiences, that would help because one of the reasons, and i think many reasons, the situation has become what it is because a lot of americans feel very left out. that's not to be put aside. i think by paying attention to not only the people in the cities and on the coast but also paying more attention to all americans and having that conversation. it's an important first step. i can't tell newsrooms how to do their jobs. mostly because they don't tell me how to do my job. so we'll make it even. >> another question? >> we can go straight to signing. >> wow, really? that was amazingly fast. okay, as a good question.
how did i come up with the title? , a man named john, who does n not, millennial's are nodding. he does not do political humor in the main. his most recent stand up, he had four minutes and 38 seconds, that's about politics. member mentions anyone name. what he says is that even though he doesn't pay attention to politics, he knows everybody is super mad about everything all the time. he starts talking about the situation that we're in right now and he comes to a horse in a hospital. when is a horse in the hospital, you have to pay attention because horse doesn't belong in the hospital. so that's how i came up with the title. i really recommend everybody was in two him because it's a special. i encourage you to listen to all
of his stuff because he really is hilarious. he doesn't, he does a nice job of laying out why everybody is so frantic. when i tell people, have a new book out, they are super mad all the time, that's me. i feel that way all the time. i think i know, that's not great. what want to do is fix a problem and the sequel, which is we are all happy, yay. everybody will go okay, yay. i can't fix the problem and the problem will not be fixed quickly. we are in this very immediate edification culture right now. we want everything to change fast. and it doesn't. let folks are prescribing going down news. read newspapers i. i think it's a good idea. i think if we have the patience, i think we will be okay. i really do. i my finger last week and
there's a reason i'm telling you, i my finger and i thought oh, it's fun. then he got really but he. there was so much blood. then it hurt and i became very jewish, i was like oh my god. our our bills up to date? i'm going to die right here. i thought i will never, this is horrible. i'm never going to be able to walk again and i put band-aids on it and more band-aids and in the course of several days, it started to heal. and i thought, it's okay. it just takes time. we forget that because people have an amazing ability to heal. so i think if we just remember that we have had this before and we have the been this angry before and we've come out okay but it will not happen quickly. it will just take some time.
i will end and we book it to the book signing, i'm sorry, there's another question from the fine looking gentleman -- >> if you put a label on this, our own selves, if you think about the dynamics of trade, how affects the likelihood of peop people, in china, there's not much going on. you get the ways in which the dynamics, if you think about this in the last next 20 or 30 years, maybe make it worse. people are looking at jobs. there's little areas where people are helping make it work. >> asked the guy from the state department. so well, did my research come
into this? well, a certain degree, sure. i will stick to my claim, which is really american but i will say no, of course we're not alone in this. we're not the only one. facebook has changed a lot, social media has changed a lot.d he used a word, it's not a word but i like it, that is global city. i think even though it's not a real word, is sort of fits. because what happens with us, sometimes mimics other nations, we are profoundly affected by what happens also. so are we susceptible now because of all of this to a greater harm? maybe. but i think again, it's important to be cognizant that
as we try to clean up our own house, that our actions really do have a much larger effect than just with us. we really, it extends way beyond america. i don't think that answers your question at all but i will stick with it. [laughter] any other questions before i'm and with a funny story? then i will land with a funny story. so my husband best friend is a retired army carmen and jeff and i are on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum entirely. we get along like a house on fire. we really do. he's a great guy and we agree to not talk politics. but one time, we dipped our toe. it didn't go well. we wrapped up the conversation quickly but i asked him, i said
jeff, if jesus came back as a democrat, would you vote for him for president? he said well, first of all, jesus would never be a democrat. but no. i said, well i'll be damned. and he said you will be if jesus is a democrat. [laughter] so with that, monica, i will wrap it up now. thank you all very much. [applause] >> she will sign a copy of her book up your if you haven't already got that done. make a line here and i will give you guys more room. thank you so much. [inaudible conversations] >> booktv the recent los angeles
times festival of books. his a portion of an interview with author and radio talkshow host, larry elder from the book fair. >> want to get something, get somebody angry, the idea that the police pull black people over disproportionally, an example of racism. it's not true. in 2013, we have the search did a study and it turned out 75% of blacks were pulled over for regiment reasons. whether speeding, without a license, driving without a seatbelt on, they would more likely be able to commitment that offense. he concluded the differences headed to differences in offending. there is an argument that blacks were being unfairly pulled over. the governor of new jersey ordered a study, it came back and turned out that in the
daytime, because of the reflection, you couldn't tell what race they were. the study concluded that they were not unfairly stopped. more likely it was the black motorist driving. she didn't like the results. she had a different study with different methodology. same conclusion. they were not pulling over black people for racial reasons. it seems to me that it's good news. when i say these things to people, don't want your. then i respond this way, or to wanting me to be right? what you be preferring black people being pulled over not for racial reasons? when you prefer that? 500 of them are white, two of them were black. sixteen or 17 were unarmed black men killed by white cops. i had your audience name what?
on black person getting killed from cnn, incomes jones and cooper, a blacktop killing a black person, you have the same reaction. >> to watch the rest, visit our website booktv.org. search for the author's name at the top of the page. is a look at others being featured on booktv's "afterwards". weekly author interview program that includes best-selling nonfiction books and guest interviewers. recently, stanford university professor jennifer offered her her insights on opposite racial bias. coming up, reflecting on her time in the marine corps and
efforts to overturn the ban on women in combat. this weekend on "afterwards", republican senator likely of utah finds his thoughts on the overreach of government. >> typically what we talk about we refer to natural rights, in a sense that the government may not do to you. positive rights, the rights to healthcare or rights to this or that government program. those are not what we would typical think of something the government was to provide for you. and must therefore take away from someone else in order to give it to you. that might be something that an individual regard as good policy. it's important to make the distinction between someone might be or not. we do deter right to the concept of rights and our rights. we dilute the use of the word. we use it in circumstances that don't involve something the government may not do to you or allow and facilitate happening to you. >> "afterwards" airs saturday