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time as mayor so with that change and responsibility to protect the citizens of laramie and the state of wyoming. it is a privilege " continues. host: john conger is the director . >> the director for the center for climate and security here to talk about the national security impacts of climate change. group? your . >> the center for climate trade the small think tank focused solely on drawing attention to national security implications of climate change to get people to take commensurate action to address g that. >> he worked at the pentagon
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and you have worked on this issue so explain what you are doing there. >> i oversaw installations and environment and energy policy. so as my duties there to oversee the basis the implication of climate change was one of the issues we had to deal with. i had responsibility within thatnt context. we did some planning, strategy, we started guidance onther how one would deal with it flooding, natural resources, that sort of thing. >>host: so what do you think given your experiences the most pressingha issue of climate change for national security? . >> if i had to put it into a couple of categories, the dod how it does its job today the flooding issues and the personal impacts in the extreme weather impacts. acright now the largest impact
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we have seen from climate change are when you get stronger hurricanes or abnormal weather in a way it takes the base off-line for a number of days that has readiness and cost implications. >>host: give us an example. >> last fall hurricane michael struck kendall air force base in the panhandle of florida. and incredibly strong hurricane. and essentiallyy flattened the base that is an overstatement but they are coming back online now. the base was taken off line they throughout as much aircraft as they could in advance. but those that could not were damaged for the point is that that kind of a storm that we see more and more of the storms with more impacts, that
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has implications like camp lejeune in north carolina had damage from hurricane florence that was another $3 billion worth of damage and record floods over the missouri river just recently off the air force base and that did another billion dollars worth of damage. >>host: what does it take to get back up and running? remix hard to say they are runningpletely up and kendall air force base they said most of the missions are backe, except the binary aircraft mission i think camp lejeune three.$5 billion worth of damage so they had operations going on already but they will need that money. >> and now for active military
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what about the impact of climate change causing and strife around the world? what are the national security implications off that quick. >> if you take a step back in a few different categories you have how it impacts today's jobs the new jobs in the future and others that our geopolitical. as you have climate stressors around the world like shortages of water and food and sea level rise pushing people away from where these two lives, all of those impacts create stress and if you have a country that has limited governing capacity with the government of less
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confidence able to deal with these problems that creates instability. >>host: how has the trumpet ministration treated this issue quick. >> it is interesting the current administration gets a bad rap dealing with climate change but the military has continued to look at this and taking it seriously because they look at climate change as a mission impact. there first job in the primary job will be the accomplishment of their mission of whatever piece of the puzzle we talk about whether operations or planning for conflict around the world they will look at this in the context of ae mission. so you will see it as a resilience issue so how do i do with this problem when it happens rather than how to
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stop it so that is a mindset that the administration is more comfortable with so militaries can do what they need tode do. >>host: let's go to the callers. >>caller: thank you. you are probably familiar with ipcc and they are the expert supposedly on global warming and we are told that science is this is man-made global warming with the production of carbon dioxide. i have a chart in front of me that is from them instead of global warming it confirms global cooling for the past 17 years but the interesting thing is the question of the sciences the global cooling is going on at the same time of an increase of co2.
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so the subtle science it goes hand in hand but actual there is evidence that says it is the other way around we have global cooling in the 17 year period of time so we are told we have to make massive changes of our lifestyle all these things have to change but yet the subtle science leaves out the evidence that is reported. >> i'm glad you have gone to the ipcc report they will be glad to hear somebody is reading their data. i don't know if it's helpful for a nonscientist to talk to come toward a scientific revelation the national climate assessment put together by the federal government and by this administration has basically
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said that yes the preponderance of the evidence shows yes there is more carbon in the atmosphere and it is caused by humans and yes it is causing global warming with a whole range of different impacts the world is not just about one temperature gauge but sea levels rising you can see the arctic i.c.e. is melting there is a whole host of implications. talking about how you will change yourar life the military deals with if you go or go to norfork naval base with sea levels rising they are concerned of thehe impact and looking at not necessarily a projection into the future so how do they change their operations or how they plan in the arctic? the i.c.e. is receding even
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now in china is moving forces north china has more icebreakers than we do. so it isn't a science debate anymore but a real world debate. >>host: the next caller is from new york. >>caller: just a comment. it seems like first of all, le - obviously climate change is one of the greatest threats to our future and national security but seems more work and effort has to be done by a persuasive message from the national security free-market perspective to unify more of the nation that is complex but points to undoubtedly grave and security concerns for the country. >> we certainly see those costs coming forward and those
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implications i can talk about the impact of extreme weather as we see more and more billion-dollar weather events. the dod sees those also so how do i make my bases more resilient to the impact and i sea level rises it takes less of a storm to have that financial impact and the operational impact to the base. >> i don't know the military needs to be convinced anymore. there budgettto reflects this as their policies and their guidance reflects this already and they are just taking this into account. >>host: democrat go ahead. >>caller: good morning. this is all a hoax. i worked in defense i have been 20 yearswa i was at the elpentagon even here in virginia
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i was at various installations all over the country. bad weather will happen in the florida panhandle and on the east coast in northon carolina periodically. it will just happen and it has been that way forwa centuries but it will not stop because we use electric cars. the whole thing is a mess. >> we can all work at the pentagon. [laughter] i work there 2009 through 2017 and in the nineties as well. i understand your perspective. that what we are seeing is there is an increase in incidence of longer impact storms and also what we are noting also getting more energy and a higher wind or
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more water and when you have record storms then you start to wonder if something is going on. tthat's fineoff. i don't think it takes a science degree to see the arctic i.c.e. is melting the russians are reacting to that so are the chinese and we have to be prepared for thatt to. indoor folk the sea level is rising they are raising their peers because of that. this year's budget alone. they are asking 49 million-dollar budget to raise flood walls around the drydock's because they are concerned when they cut open a submarine it's open to the air and see if they get a big storm that reaches the
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flood walls that will do damage to a multibillion-dollar piece of equipment so they are expecting that to happen and they are planning for it and looking to protect themselves. it is about resilience. not about electric cars or emissions but how do you deal with the impacts happening today and how will they be able to be resilient in the near term?ho >>host: active in the military are you active or retired quick. >> active. >> what are your thoughts. >> you do not have to believe in the science at all. the laws of science will dictate what will happen but if people believe the sea levels are rising people will die and they die off in the world over time the carbon emissions will come to homeostasis.
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or equilibrium. regardless if you believe it or not, it will happen. >> i do think that is a fair analysis. dod is starting to prepare. whether it involves getting basesto ready to deal with flooding or more extreme weather events, if it means theyes are making investments in the right places. one example is strategic command exporters have lots of buildings damaged over $10 billion worth of damage but they just built a strategic command headquarters on a hill so that is just smart planning. some of this is how do you take the money you are already going to spend and spend it in such a way you don't lose your investment. >>host: pennsylvania democratic line.
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>>caller: i have a question. i am a nurse. and when i study the body the body produces co2. and sent it to the lungs. the lungs transform that into oxygen. how did the lungs take co2 and transform that into oxygen? thank you for taking my call. >> innovation in science is part of the formula we are dealing with going forward i am talking problems the military sees today but obviously if youg go to stop that from happening to have
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cleaner emissions with the projections that pass that we are on is relatively unsustainable. >>host: so we will get your reaction to senator warren at a committee hearing questioning outgoing air force secretary and how prepared that branch is for climate change. >> how would you rate installations as a whole quick. >> senator there is a lot that i could not give you but i know that is a significant infrastructure challenge there is a number of factors. >> and those that were damaged
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by natural disasters. and those military services continue to incorporate climate change so when disaster strikes this clearly iis a readiness issue. . >> i think that's absolutely right secretary will sing characterize correctly how do you make sure those impacts are minimized? the air force has a very smart strategy they fly the planes out unfortunately when the hurricane struck they could only fly out 60 percent of the f-22's. and thosee other 40 percent and most of those are damaged inside the hangers.
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and then to minimize the damage and with those military bases. >> that readiness act is introduced to assess their vulnerability to climate change and to come up with ways to mitigate that vulnerability there is in just answerblem or one everybody has a d different elevations in floodin flooding. different issues with drought and then what do we have to do?
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so with the navy at the normal shipyard is right now asking to lift up their flood walls that is a local project with a local vulnerability. and the goal will to make it more protected. >>host: so remind viewers the chump administration what is doing.curity >> that was a proposal inside the national security council to take the adversarial review of those implications of climate c change. "the washington post" had some pushback and now they are talking about the national climate assessment we have concerns where it undermines the science to make their
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assessment and in general, if you want to change the peer-reviewed science you should read more peer-reviewed silence adding it to the body of knowledge. that is helpful but i don't know this committee will do that. >>caller: so basically just in support that climate change is a serious issue but i view that as the existential issue as a top priority in political circles. but just going back to the gentleman that called to say he works for dod and the pentagon i do asdo well. so to say it is a hoax we can all have our political views but to back up the fact that climate change is a real thing
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to impact the military and they take it very serious whether or not our politicians are in with that political discussion around it. the military takes it very seriously. . >> i would take a couple of points with that. number one, think about it from a military perspective of 90 percent of the intelligence analyst said they are a minefield and 3 percent said n no, would you walk through the field? you would probably steer clear of that threat right now we are preponderance of the evidence saying this is happening and what we have to get ready for in the military takes that seriously. the politicians have actually been pretty good. when they were in the majority there were a whole host of climate resilience measures
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passed in the armed services space. and they did that to help out the military from these threats going forward. >>host: the director for center of climate and security thank you for the conversation this morning. . . . .
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