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congress is great for supplying those books. also on the airplane, i read the new york times review. >> find out what other members of congress are reading by visiting booktv.org and search, what are you reading? ... ... thanks so much for joining this conversation. >> carrie sheffield: who is your intended audience and what is the biggest thing way you want them to get. >> brent bozell: when we were approached by to do this book,
my initial reaction was i didn't want to do it. at the same my co-author felt the same way. everyone does this now already. soy supporters to go take all of the research and go look at the work for a week and let me know when you think. he came back and we discussed it we thought there's a book here. the book is the narrative. it's prologue to with going to follow in the next year. in the sense that if you look at this cover on donald trump. from day one, up until the present. you're going to see the story about a name who has dominated press coverage light unlike any figure in american history. and who has received in return, the worst coverage of any man in history. not just quantitatively which is
a series of a studied but qualitative. not just in the percent of negative coverage but in the tonality of it and you put it all together, and stunning to see what is happening. i think we are so much of it the week to start listening anymore. but if you look at this covera coverage, you'll see that the media has changed the biggest take away is that i truly believe that we write about this in the book. this is been an attempt to destroy a president. to nullify the democratic process. i think at the end of the day, any of these media operations will destroy themselves. >> carrie sheffield: is certainly what you mentioned in the first chapter. you said that the trump understood that the media was his most powerful enemy.
it could destroy his presidency. he went to war. the media went out to destroy the president but destroy themselves. the media destroy themselves. that's pretty powerful. in what way. >> brent bozell: 's look at their credibility. their credibility is everything. the news media, if you don't have that, you are nothing but the national enquirer. and if you don't have credibility people are going to watch you anymore. they're not going to look at you for news or for truth. look at the numbers of these networks. they are crashing. the most telling numbers would be cnn. cnn once was the gold standard of journalism. go back 25 years ago, it had a liberal buy.
you could work with the president of the cnn. you can have a frank conversation with them. they would change the story. they would hear you out. that was cnn then. cnn today, clearly wants no conservatism. they clearly are the mission against donald trump. in its audience clearly is leaving. last time i checked, the numbers show it. in the nation of 330 million, 571 thousand viewers on a good night. to put that one in perspective, that's two tenths of 1 percent of the american population. to put that in its proper perspective, there are more people who own pet chickens. then watch cnn.
>> carrie sheffield: to be fair what about digital numbers social media. >> brent bozell: will go there second. you're absolutely right. there are more practicing which is there than there are viewers of cnn. does that man cnn is completely irrelevant. no no no. go to cnn .com. they have about 20 million people on his site. but what's the difference between cnn .com and cnn. you get a lot more news on cnn .com than you do on cnn. like cbs .com. it's not on fox, fox's got 26 million coming to its site. i will tell people if you want to get your story out, fox news
is nice. foxnews .com is is the place to go. cnn .com has an audience but word it comes to the institution of cnn, psych that thing that you see in the air force and the dentist office. >> carrie sheffield: in terms from another quote that you have the book. donald trump is going to put the entire profession on trial in the court of public opinion. you did that by introducing two words. fake news. how do you define using yours. >> brent bozell: in the book we discussed it because that has to be explained. there are different views of this. it begins with media bias. there is media bias, the distortion of the story, the twisting of a story to band to
the political worldview of the author. you have two kinds of bias in that direction. you can have the bias by commission, remove things if the title is the people you interview, the spin you put, the labeling you put, the conclusion reached, the headlines, all different ways. there is bias by omission. just the opposite. it is the refusal to write a story. to label people, to give the other side of the story, to put a complete headline, to give the proper conclusion, those are all biased by omission. that's the first level. the second level is fox news. the full snooze is a story that somebody reports on wedding. and knowing. this is often times a reflection of poor journalism. once upon a time, journalism 101 was two independent sources
where you don't have a new story. now people are just rushing to come now with anything they can to be the first kid on the block with a story which was makes for bad journalism. the top layer is fake news. fake news is the publishing of new stories that you know are not true. you know could be absolutely untrue. that's fake news. that's a harsh indictment on the industry. i'll give you micro and i give you micro, a micro story. of abc, wrote a story about how trump had sent mike flint to russia to talk to the russians. the., candidate trump we know him as a president trump.
national purity security advisor sent him. there was a collusion. that meant that the stock market dropped three inner points. this was serious welcome only. >> carrie sheffield: with the president, this national and normal protocol. >> brent bozell: that's exactly the intent. retiring, resigning, et cetera. >> carrie sheffield: he's been the most eight senior executive report for the last several years. >> brent bozell: he might disagree with some things here and there. he was the central casting when it came to investigative report. now look at the macro. fire, collusion, story.
it has been one big exercise and fake news. i don't care what you think, i don't care what ebay things about donald trump. the facts are that from day one, he said, there's not one piece of evidence from day one. no one ever no reporter, no politician, no policy organization, no legal outfit, no one ever delivered one scintilla of evidence. yet we look at this, and my colleague published a report just under 20 percent of all new stories when doubled trump's president have dealt with russian pollution. think about all of the economic stories of unemployment and taxes and spending, goes on and on. all of the stories on foreign policy and isis in china and north korea and iran. all of the stories of social policy, all of the stories and
politics, yet 20 percent of all new stories dealt with something that didn't exist. >> carrie sheffield: do you think the molar report was fake news. >> brent bozell: i think the whole and fake investigation was fake news. while muller came out with in his report. there is nothing there. the real question is what in the world is going on with our government. what was going on that triggered an investigation that would derail a presidency that would undo a presidency. that had top justice officials attempting to defeat donald trump and prevent his presidency. there is a much bigger issue than where seeing. let's see if they're going to investigate. i think that's interesting. there are a couple, have tackled this.
i think going to change because there's someone investigating it. now let's see what happens when the media has covered. it's going to be interesting. >> carrie sheffield: even the media now is reporting about the average voter and how they feel about the molar report. they don't know. they don't know or they don't care. forum, they did a list of issues this in the care about and literally 0 percent said molar. in the molar investigation. why do you think there is such a disconnect about what voters care about and what the media issues that are covering? see what. >> brent bozell: the news is a very subjective thing. walter cronkite longtime producer. unit f of the dealt with his days as a newspaper man and he asked in the print media, what is news.
news is what the editor says it is. in the second half dealt with television. he said what is news. the answer was, is what the producer says it is. it's not what news is. cnn and company have wanted to be news is that this was collusion and bob muller was going to uncover it. what happened is all along the american people had been yawning. we don't buy it and we don't see anything there. it's like climate change. that's another one. we've seen that on the top shelf concern. i'm thinking on senate cnn but cnn has been the worst. yet, if you look at the public's perception on this, i don't care how many stories are out there, it doesn't move the public. it's at the bottom of the pile for the public. they could defend themselves by saying look it's none of our business, to give the public with the public wants. it's our business to give them the news. i'll accept that.
by the same token, after all of the stories, with the public is saying is you're not giving me anything that's moving my opinion at all. >> carrie sheffield: what they usually say the anchors will say in response to that is there was nothing here or there were multiple indictments that were produced from this. multiple, we know more about the extent which russians work interfering in a process. this investigation was worthwhile. free to say is fake news not to mention the publicans welcome the molar investigation to clear the president. >> brent bozell: the answer would be yes. every single indictment dealt with something about involving someone who had nothing to do with the court. the central investigation was
and did the trump administration with russians. the bottom line is that the answer is no and there was never any evidence. and all of this other stuff had nothing to do with that. thirteen russians who we will never know who they are but they were indicted two. one question was raised, one line of questioning was raised by one republican, was really interesting. who tipped cnn off. on that outrageous rage on roger stone's home. it didn't matter if he was innocent or is innocent or guilty, the fact that this almost 70 -year-old man would be at this landing attack on his house at 6:00 a.m. and cnn was packing along. but miller said while there wasn't any leaks. of course there was a leak that was when i. i would like to know, take a long, we do to roger stone. that was really out of balance
and that should be investigated. >> carrie sheffield: one thing you say in the book as you make the argument about the difference between replicants about and the dim camp democrats and how they treated president. how did the press treated ken starr versus bob muller. do you think now that the molar testimony has happened. you think the cross will turn on but molar. >> brent bozell: nra has. he came out with his press conference and said that donald trump was innocent. on the collusion charge. it was about 12 to 24 hours of stunt. in the news media. they didn't know what to do. they all expected that he was going to come out with something serious. but then the democrats and company started beating the drums about this ain't over yet. sixteen lawyers and gazillions of dollars in three years, they
didn't do their job so we are going to. in the media pivoted to the democrats. they just started following them and going on that road. basically, they threw muller under the bus after three years of declaring what an honorable man he was. he was useless to them. so now came the testimony. the testimony that congressional testimony, was going to get to the bottom of what was happening. he was molar 2.0. the man looking very frail, very unsure of himself and very unprepared. this is backfired tremendously. again. the democrats now ours do. the media still going back to them again. >> carrie sheffield: one thing over and over again in your book is the lack of trust.
i want to get something to talk to you about senator obama. he is gotten such great publicity all of his life that one of his friends spoke to me this morning and he said he's throwing his halo into the ring. to what extent do you think that the victory of donald trump who is certainly incredibly antiestablishment and is carrying at the institution of media, to what extent do you think barack obama has the coverage of him contributed to the rise of trump. >> brent bozell: interesting. i think that barack obama triggered trump in the sense in two ways. one that barack obama was kind of the outsider. i would say for years that a republican is this man was going
to run for president. i think barack obama in a way, allow that to happen because obama was outsider in his own right, he wasn't an establishment figure. i think the country was getting a little bit used to and is getting used to outside figures. however, it was also the reason one of the three reasons, why there is such hostility to donald trump. donald trump announced from the get-go, and said and stated that it was his intention to undo barack obama had done. barack obama had talked about the fundamental transformation of america. donald trump said were going to undo that. anyway through a whole litany of issues. >> carrie sheffield: gods and religion that obama. >> brent bozell: playboy trump
preached to the evangelicals. >> carrie sheffield: senator trumps visit to poland. to what extent do you think that the evangelicals perception of how the obama president treated them and maybe for the top prize as well. >> brent bozell: i think the evangelicals decided that they can put their face or their faith in very flawed human being. that it was a flawed human being who was saying to them a unflawed and bm going to continue to be flawed but i am going to deliver what i promised. i think the note was abortion. i don't know if enough people realize this but i can make the
argument that donald trump is the most pro-life president in history. who would've thunk that one. think about this. he is the first president candidate ever to promise a pro-life supreme court justice. do you know we've never done that before. >> carrie sheffield: i was surprised. i thought maybe ronald reagan did. >> brent bozell: no one has done that has ever said that an donald trump said in ever every speech. i think that really registered and then what did he do with the first right to life launch. then he spoke at it last year and this is something that republicans don't do. he immediately but that he is pro-life. cavanaugh we are going to assume he is pro-life.
he delivered on those promises. i think the evangelical care. they continue to be very happy with the man. these are some strange times we are living in. you never thought would happen but it is happening. >> carrie sheffield: i want to talk about your view with donald trump and how you report that president trump well at the time, then potential candidate reached out to you for lunch and he said that he pushed back softly and gently. i thought could never be in the same sentence with trump. humility and graciousness. 3.5 months before he had declared. after he declared and he was very nice and the man was very nice and human humility and kindness and all the scene see jeremy.
what you think in your opinion, is the president embrace of persona seems to be so different from the person that you seen privately. do you think this person with the female and minority voters who may be whose persona isn't there, teeth rid. >> brent bozell: great question. i'm not alone many people have said the same thing that in private he is a very different person. the perception is what i went into a believing i was going to get. as i read the book, it was just the opposite. he was thoughtful and quiet inquisitive, humble and of course he was bragging but it was a very different man. i love that. i thought my god if america sees this, this guy is going places. i thought immediately.
he's a master marketer. he understood something about politics that barack obama moment. obama fundamentally changed politics of america. obama made and took the equation that says in a primary campaign democrats go for the liberal base in the republics give for their conservative base and the general they fight in the middle. but then all the side. he said my minority based, not black but lesser numbers, and republicans, is if i can get them more agitated and more mobilized, i can beat up your majority base to the republicans and this just what he did twice. use social media to do it. donald trump, did write back to the democrats. he got his base so worked up that his, he could never get
50 percent in the polls. he beat up the democrats and the used social media as well any replicated barack obama. >> carrie sheffield: in 2018 replica republicans sales. he thinks some of this was related to tone of the persona that is public versus who the man is present. >> brent bozell: i think in the off year and the other party loses x amount and you could say there was a whole swap of resignations and retirements. and that was true. at the end of the day, i don't think he won between 2016 and 2018, also his popularity, not so so sure his popularity goes downstream. it transmits itself to the republicans at the state and local level.
>> carrie sheffield: many were lukewarm in the voting. >> brent bozell: when donald trump goes into a district or state, and he says, i don't like the republican, and there. his base jumps up. that's what he did and that's what happened to her. it did happen in several places. but it the end of the day, with trump is very much it was with a bum as well. he's the same thing. obama didn't translate necessarily downstream. i don't think it's about winter. i think 2020 is going to be a fascinating year. no one knows where it's going, everyone's making predictions but i will say you know how ready states today while i knew
donald trump was going to win and the conclusion, i think i am the only person who is willing to put in writing, that when he asked, i looked the future present in the eye i totally there is absolutely no way he would be there. >> carrie sheffield: even fox news were projecting that trump will lose as well. >> brent bozell: one or two people in the one public care, is the greatest blessing moment today is that culture. when she went on the bill marshall and she was asked if he was going to win. i mean, the audience fell apart in laughter as they all laughed at. i think she is the one that has the greatest laugh laugh. you're at one point trump skeptic.
>> carrie sheffield: once he won the primaries and you didn't join the statement from right so that in the primary unit concerns in your guy was. to what extent did you see you got a donor base obviously not disclosing which can't, but to what extent was your donor base tends to be more established or successful business people, to what extent do you feel pressure from the establishment who might've felt your initial reticence to trump with donors who were populist or really embracing him. >> brent bozell: in the way it didn't affect us, because they were an organization that was endorsed and personally i can do whatever i want. i do so personally.
i had people who were upset with me for not supporting trump and i had people who were upset with me because they thought it was supporting trump and with some people you just can't win and it really did happen on both ends. where pieces concerned, it's unfortunate that not trump became never trump. that piece, then addition of the national view was by all metro. i think it was against trump. >> carrie sheffield: against trump it was not never trump it was against trump. >> brent bozell: that's exactly what it was. i get endorsed and produced. i was asked to submit a piece as to why i was supporting to cruise over donald trump. in the book, i stand by it.
i do believe was brian williams who filed the story. we actually did a story about this. we actually did. talk about the pot calling the kettle black. isn't it fascinating how the media are constantly savaging the president for the language he uses? while calling him a or calling him a fascist, while calling him every despicable name you could hurl at the president of the
united states. attempting to do far worse than what they do. they have no right, none but you have a right. i have a right. these books have a right to pass judgment on donald trump's language. let's say that you. out a "washington post" editorial that compared a pretty illegal immigrants and supporting them to pol pot the dictator executing people and in the hyperbole and that's the "washington post." it's not a blog coming from a nation or something like that. >> guest: you know if you had done a report with this happening at the border honestly
you notice what they carried? remember all those stories about the tens of thousands of people and then the story disappeared? guess what, they are the ones that are crossing the border right now. the media aren't reporting enough facts. america is being invaded and america is being invaded and a very bad way by some very bad people. in the book we cite the flipside to all the negatives about donald trump and when you've got 92, 93, 91 negative coverage than you do have pol pot unless the stories show what good has he done. in fact if you look at the whitney of accomplishments it's rather extraordinary. as of october 2018, 1 thing i didn't know was as of october
october 2018 when you talk about those border things his administration had apprehended 127,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records. now in all those stories when you think about what's going on at the border. westco the book goes through a lot of coverage talking about nbc news spent 18 seconds all the best unemployment numbers in 50 years and more than two minutes to talk about how members shyum snl have been on staff for 16 years and the book reports on a number of interesting statistics that released coverage of those statistics and the unemployment
woes for latinos asian-americans women, the ratio of 60-1 versus russia's investigations, the things that are affecting people's lives as opposed to the things that affect people's lives. you quote in the book also and the journalism professor right after trump one and a set i fear that journalism is irredeemably broke into my failure. my profession fails to inform the public about the what they are electing. this is a journalism professor. to what extent, this pipeline so this is clearly an document book about how the process has treated democrats in the past and are deeply going back to the 1960s culture wars. to what extent do journalism folks realize they are creating a pipeline problem one they are
the ones that are inculcating deceiving bias to their students? >> aychip wish that journalism schools would have a mandatory internship for their students in which they for one year students have to have real jobs and they have to go work in real america and go visit indiana and see how the real world operates. this is an institution where people go from columbia school of journalism and they never step foot in america. they don't understand real world experiences. don't understand how the economy works. they do not understand the idea of investment of sacrifice. they don't know how to hire somebody. that's the world is unknown to them. i do believe that in a real way
journalists need to understand what in the world they are talking about before they pass judgment over all these things. they have ordered themselves open to such a messianic frenzy that he is going against the narrative. i don't know how many more clichés i can come up with but that's what he's doing and seamlessly throughout the word fascist. imagine if the seamlessly throughout the word communist with barack obama how long it would last. >> host: to the point on education versus the industry when the yearbook talks about if we are going to get trump we might as well get the nuremberg rallies to go with it. george stephanopoulos thing the number of people comparing trump to hitler is growing by the day. carl bernstein the legendary
journalist called trump a nail fascist and you go through the book systematically and document the extent to which these words are thrown around very casually. in terms of the demographics when you look at the futures of thinking about the future the millennial population is 44% nonwhite and when we are looking at voting patterns dating back to 1964 black voters voted for barry goldwater but before that it was something like 39th% for low 30s for dwight eisenhower at voted for richard nixon in 1964 fsis been now for generations for black voter single digits and one time it was 10%. when you have multigenerational having such skepticism for the conservative movement what does that say going forward
especially looking at the majority of nonwhites and there's a growing latino population. looking at the future what is the future for the conservative movement if the media so entrenched in these anti-conservative narrative particularly minorities? >> the guess it depends on what conservatives do. there might be some kind of tectonic shift taking place here. i don't know it's temporary or permanent. here's what i do know. the republican establishment is a relevant to the public conversation. nobody cares what the united states believes about anything. the house is just one step behind that in their relevancy where the republican party is concerned. the reason there's a republican president is partially because
that republican presidents spent half of his time going against the republican party and betsy only reason he is there. he became a populist and he attracted lakhs. i think he made a mistake in the campaign. he went to detroit and twice he said what have you got to lose? let's go your community is terrible. >> guest: cute line to use but he should have offered an enterprise zone program for them. he didn't do it and i hope he does. i think he's going to move. the latino vote is moving. going to move the black vote as well and what does that do to republicans? i don't know. where conservatives are concerned what donald trump's shown is it's high time conservatives stood up to the press. he didn't defend himself. he went to war against the men's we explain in the book he
started this. he started it with them but he showed how they can be defeated. where the conservative movement is concerned we can learn a lesson from him. maybe they will discard their relevancy after him. >> host: with criminal justice reform record unemployment to help for historically black colleges and universities certainly looking to move the needle but over and over you talk about their public and establishment being disconnected from conservatives. what figures do you see breaking at divide with donald trump? >> guest: to some degree the freedom caucus. it's kind of interesting but once upon a time republican was synonymous with conservatives during the reagan years. everybody wanted to be a
reaganite. everybody was a reagan conservative. today you've got this little freedom caucus in the house and they are the conservatives in the house. you have a handful of republicans in the senate are conservatives. when they run for re-election everybody is a conservative. that's how you get elected but there is nothing more than a handful of them. i think they are the ones with features. the rand paul the mic glee's and ted cruz one or two more are the only conservatives in town. the question is how long can the republicans keep up this façade of being conservatives when you see they are no different from the democrats when it comes to economic or policy issues. when you try to out democrat a democrat the democrat always wins.
>> host: what about the budget that was disagreed upon? >> guest: it's unfortunate that the president would do that understandably. every republican and even democrats to run on the idea of fiscal conservatism. why we are going to stop this crazy spending and why our children and their children and their children are going to be affect by this. why it's irresponsible and then republicans point the finger at the democrats during the obama years. now the democrats are pointing figures -- fingers at the republicans. all presidents are signing it. bush signed all of these bills and barack obama signed all of these bills and now president trump is going to. there's going to be a comeuppance but unfortunately it's not going to be us.
it's going to bear children and grandchildren who're going to really suffer because of what's being done today. >> host: in terms of what's next for the press so the report is out the media has come out and you said yourself the ratio of stories about the mueller investigation was truly incredible. what is next in the press in terms of strategy in covering president trump now that mueller the knight in shining armor has beaten them twice. >> guest: what do they do? they have invested hook line and sinker on the proposition that there was going to be a real possibility of removing this man from office and not only a possibility but a calling and a justification for it. all these things have disappeared. meanwhile you've got the radicals in the house that are
agitated. i love it if that nancy pelosi is a moderate suddenly. i don't know what planet we are on when she is but she is a moderate compared to some radicals. the media will give continued oxygen to those radicals and nancy pelosi knows is going to royally backfire in everybody and i think it's going to royally act fire on the news media because the public is seeing this for what it is. everyone saw it yesterday they are being a dead horse. >> host: in the book you talk about the act polling on the media and how the divide between
republican respondents in democratic respondents are pulling about the median democrats believe the media's is on their side and republicans generally believe that the media is against their side. to what extent does the media not realize the voters themselves are telling them how to mitigate the lack of trust in the media? why doesn't the media understand consumers are expressly, if you are trying to sell a product and your consumers are giving you feedback about the product why would you listen to them? >> guest: there's a fallacy that says politics is business when it comes to the news media but let's go back to "cnn". i won't say who it was but "cnn" has had an endless number and one of them was someone i knew, a good fellow and he had been involved in another network on the west coast and he had always
said to me it's all about the numbers. we'll may care about the numbers. the president president of "cnn" i called them and i said i want to do you two favorites annual only forever. he said what are they? i said the first one is get on "cnn" where for your aircraft is passed around and try to find this guy rush limbaugh's house, go to his house knock on the door sign a blank check given to him and tell him he can write it for whatever amount he wants and do whatever he wants and one week you will have the number one network on television. whatever you do don't. a fight with roger ailes. this guy did and lost his job as a result but the point was if
you're "cnn" you want to regain your audience and market analysis will tell you don't go in the conservative standpoint. go back to the news and you will bring conservatives back. "msnbc" would rather go down in flames. look at fox. if you are looking at this as an business proposition to big kid on the block is fox. what do they do? they do the opposite of fox. they know what they are doing. they'd rather go down in flames. >> host: in the book he touched on the topic that you don't get too much into on the issue of technology and facebook and twitter and conservatives and their ideological lies against conservatives and conservative content. do you think big tech should be
broken up? >> guest: it's too soon to tell. the question is one, is there a need to do so and the answer is yes. because all of them have gone in this direction where they are casting aside, they continue to say they have the open marketplace of ideas and they have legal protection against defamation and libel by doing that but clearly they are going through a lot. the question becomes will they change course? i don't think they will. if they don't then you compete against them? could another facebook emerged? could another twitter or google emerged? when you look at the power that these companies have how are you going to compete against apple
with a trillion dollars in cash? excuse me how can you compete with facebook when they are reaching 2.2 billion people across the globe? had the compete with google when it has 92% of the search engine's? that has to be explored. if you can't compete with them then you've got antitrust issues and that's the quintessential conservative position. you've got to have competition. too soon to tell whether you can or you can't be competitive in that sphere. >> host: do you think if the trump administration ends up what's the comparison with teddy roosevelt likes to youth see president trump essay potential teddy roosevelt figure because that was roosevelt's claim to frame the rough rider come the outsider the rough-and-tumble person unafraid to challenge the establishment of? >> guest: that's elizabeth
warren too. it's interesting, i see in the future a left-right alliance on a number of different issues against the middle. where it comes to corporate america you are seeing more and more people on the right who are looking at big business and saying it's corrupt and its corrupting washington and everybody knows it but they run, they run the show. it's an interesting dynamic for antitrust is conservative that ted cruz and it got elizabeth warren and donald trump's going in that direction too. i think they are motivated. i think elizabeth warren is motivated by believing and ted
cruz's motivated by believing they are too powerful. interesting dynamics. >> host: self we had the editor-in-chief of "the news york times" in the presence and any number of other in this conversation with us what would you say to them and what is your insight to them terms of looking at the country because certainly an argument i hear over and over from critics of donald trump is he is dividing the country. to what extent are the natural outlets dividing the country? >> guest: they have been for years. i would tell them when i walked out they would not fumigate this room. people would be very surprised that i didn't have smoke and i didn't have horns and that i was a real conservative. i remember years ago when i
hosted a dinner in hollywood or actually trump hosted a dinner in hollywood and never writers in direct years and producers there. conservatives the interesting thing was this table right in front of me and fellow who speak in and as he was getting ready to speak there were people chatting at the table when they were all friends. i heard one person reach over to the other and say i didn't know you were conservatives. i think that is going on today in the news media. you've got an industry that is not just professional but it's personal. it's a social world or that's all we know. they all work at the same network and they all think the same way. at the end of the day they
believe they are the mainstream. i don't like the word mainstream because they are not the mainstream. they don't see themselves that way at all. higher conservatives and bring conservatives into the fold to make sure that they are professional make sure they know how to be reporters. there are some curviness -- conservatives who don't know how to be reporters either. go back to journalists and bring the men and see what happens with when you have to include them. what's going to happen is very good things are going to happen. >> host: "the news york times" has he been up taken their subscription and the same thing under bill clinton with national review where national review when clinton was going through in peach what a play -- saw quentin going through the role. is there a financial incentive
for them to continue to play an opposition? >> guest: perhaps. you see in the world today let's look at the cable networks. whether it's fox, "cnn" "msnbc" clearly all of them are motivated. fox is not completely what sean hannity and laura at ancram very per trump unquestionably. in the afternoon it's not as one-sided as "cnn" or "msnbc". they have all made business decisions and they say they can carve out of piece of the pie for themselves. at the end of the day "cnn" i know they are looking at their numbers and they are saying it's a sliver.
the won't get filled by as little as we have of that pie. fox, it is working for them. you know who's listening to all of that? journalism. if you look at these 24-hour news networks fox, "msnbc", "cnn" how much time is being spent on real news reporting? very little, very little and they will say we are giving the market what the market wants. unfortunately it might be true. >> host: thank you so much brent bozell for being here to talk about your book "unmasked." we hope people will take a look at thank you so much. >> guest: thank you, thank you for having me.
senate during joe senate campaigns i would speak up my voice would shake that i would not sleep the night before. i was so nervous about getting up in front of a crowd but then when we were elected vice president i thought you know what, i have been given such a platform and i can talk about all the things that i love education, community colleges military families and i thought i cannot waste this platform and i had better get better at this. so i've just end i made myself because i was used to speaking 25 students in a classroom but then i was speaking to hundreds and sometimes thousands of people when i stood up so i knew i had to push myself. >> jill biden's new book is called where the light enters. what's the rest of this program visit our web site at
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