tv Historians Susan Dunn and Michael Beschloss on President Franklin... CSPAN August 29, 2019 6:24am-7:19am EDT
the good afternoon, everyone. welcome to the 16th annual roosevelts reading festival at the presidential library and museum. i'm the director and i'm so honored to be on stage today with these distinguished historians and supporters of the library. how many of you have been here all day? raise your hand, okay thank you very much. give yourself a round of applause. [applause] this is one of our favorite
events of the year and we feel so honored to have been here with us today. i hope that you all come back next year. i want to introduce first susan, professor at william and has written 12 books, four of whom are on roosevelt and the most recent is a blueprint for war, the 100 days that mobilized america. what's truly remarkable is the way that it zeros in on a specific timeframe and a series of decisions and actions that were made by one president and one specific circumstance. michael -- lost obviously has written nine books and is both an nbc news historian and national archive foundation, white house historical society in monticello, i could go on for 20 minutes. although the award-winning producer for the documentary the decisions that shook the world
coming in his new book presidents of war, which bill gates ranked as one of the five to read. it looks at a range of decisions that they made to go to war under a number various circumstances. but taken together the two books give you an extraordinary insight into what it takes for a president of the united states to start a war. we are going to start with a quick question from suzanne, because this hearing that she talks about surrounding the campaign of 1940, and it's sort of the big issue that fdr is dealing with at this point. talk a little bit about the decisions he's making as he is going forward, knowing that running for a third term there is enormous pressure against him among the war in europe as an isolationist nature. what is he doing to educate
americans about what they face? >> that is a great question. 1932, fdr gave a campaign speech in which he said o the art of presidential leadership is to persuade and educate, and i love to do latin with my students and have them learn what the words really mean. suburban latin and the verb for education is to leave it out of. i ask my students lead alt leads and they say we out of ignorance and into society and culture and science and knowledge and acts of participation in your communities. he did believe his job was to
educate. the promise that he made in may 1940 campaign speech late october, 1940 which he said i've said this again and again they are not going to be sent into a foreign war and so some of his close advisers subjected to that unequivocal promise and he said if we are attacked it isn't a foreign war, so he really wasn't flying. he was ambivalent about entering the war. there was a document that said something about when the united states decides to enter the war and he changed it to when we are compelled to answer the war.
this isn't necessarily inevitable that we are involved in the war, but it certainly is likely. one of the firs first messages e gave is a press conference on december 17, 1940 after the third term and it's interesting how he began a press conference. i don't have any real news to tell you today, but there is one small detail i could bring up and that is this great britain can no longer afford to find weapons and defend itself against the nazis but in fact is bombing great britain for the industrial centers, one in every single night. so, fdr has a press conference in which he says if your neighbor's house is on fire and
he doesn't have a hose that you have a garden hose and you can connect it to your fire hydrant, you are going to lend him the hose. you are not going to say you have to give me 15 bucks and then i will give you the hose. this was his first introduction that was perhaps one of the most important programs of the entire war. the chat about democracy and then the state of the union january, 1941 which was also educating americans about what is at stake and what his vision is for the postwar world and how we have to rescue democracy and our enlightenment values, the judeo-christian morality, everything that we hold dear is
at stake on the brink of annihilation, and he expands the vision to the post world war announcement for freedom which is a global vision. if you have in your mind by norman rockwell's famous four freedoms paintings, you will remember that those are particularly american. for instance, rockwell lived north of where i live in vermont and the freedom of speech shows a man in overalls standing up at a town meeting in arlington vermont. these were very american dot what fdr emphasized again and again is this was his vision for everywhere in the world. okay but now my final point this was the most important talk was the third inaugural and people didn't pay that much attention to the inaugural because it comes after the press conference
and the democracy for freedoms. okay. in the third inaugural, he makes the point that very precious, profound and relevant today. it is that a nation is like a person, it has the body, the mind coming into the spirit. the body has to be closed and fed and housed. the mind has to be kept informed and alert. but there' there is something me precious than not. there is the soul of the country, the soul of the person. he said it is difficult to define but he will call it the democratic aspiration. in ongoing quest for more freedom, equal to become happiness. if he says if the soul is killed but the lion mind and body is sl
healthy, it doesn't matter. so, today i think this is an important message for us and it helps educate americans about what was at stake. >> i agree. [applause] and i allowed to just say i agree and we can be done? >> yes, but they want more. what is the biggest controversy regarding after the speeches a lot of people felt he tried to push america into the war and somehow he knew the japanese were going to bomb pearl harbor and didn't take the appropriate, how do you feel about that and could you talk a little bit about what fdr did after pearl
harbor and how that reflects on his leadership? >> he wasn't trying to push us into war by 1940, but i think that he solve the war against hitler and the imperial japanese was probably going to be necessary if we were going to protect the freedom of the western world and the problem was in the fall of the 1940s still a very isolationist country. and if you are looking at roosevelt and trying to say is this a leader of the principles, people sometimes forget in the early fall of 1940 running as wendell wilkie some of the polls show that they were tied. the reason they were tied because wilkie was saying elect roosevelt and we will be at war in a couple of months. he liked me and i will keep you out of the war which wasn't what
he was saying in private. he just wanted to weigh in. he would have tried to outbid and say i will work even harder to keep you out of the war but instead roosevelt said in that campaign, i'm going to try to keep us out of the war but at the same time there is something worse than staying out of the war and that is living in a world dominated by authoritarian as i'm. and if you are looking at one metric of how courageous roosevelt was in the fall of 1941 peopl1940 when people wered about the war and worried about losing their son it would have been drafted. what does he do, he presides over the institution of the draft, watery, who is going to get called up first, and a cowardly politician would have kept himself as far away from that as possible. what did roosevelt do, he appeared himself at the drawing
when mothers literally bring the audience screaming when they heard a number called that could possibly be th the more certain that the person. that's great presidential leadership. and that was in october just a couple of weeks before the election of 1940, knowing this could wind up defeating him. that is what a principled leader does. question of what's roosevelt responsible -- if you go on the radio these days, i don't think either of you would disagree the first to call you are going to get is was roosevelt responsible for pearl harbor in a way of getting america involved in the war that americans were very ambivalent about from my point of view absolutely not. for about 90 reasons that would require more time than we have here.
at the same time, i'm a huge admirer of roosevelt. number one, he knew later on. he thought that that was going to be a way of deterring the japanese from attacking if they knew that our defense line was now in a way with all of the warships. what is also fair to say it's roosevelt do if the secretary under woodrow wilson, very close to him, and that the way america was drawn into world war i where the country was largely isolationist with the thinking of the ships in the north atlantic. in the summer of 1941, i used to talk to arthur slawson sure about this wasn't exactly an fdr
skeptic. when roosevelt began to get the navy much mornavy much more inve north atlantic, he knew that there was a much greater possibility that an american ship would be sunk by a german submarine, and he knew that if that happened, a lot of americans would be choice likely to be in favor with the germans than they were before. >> can i add a word to what michael said? .. he said are you that i am paranoid susan
[laughter] and didn't know the real answer then. i shouldn't have it cues him of being paranoid. one of the real answers is said in the fall of 1940, fdr's staff was more elusive probably about the likelihood of wood were even. george marshall, henry simpson secretary gore, and harold sta starr, chief of naval operations new that they had to start making some plans. for a possible war, they couldn't be report at the last minute and prepared. they had to know what their priorities would be of their own work. so admiral stark, took it upon himself on issues to draw up different strategies. then they would decide which was the best strategy in which was
the most important priorities. he did this one night, in his home on ancient machines my students have never heard of. it's called emmanuel typewriter. [laughter] manual typewriter. anyone want to hear what is s? [laughter] and he drew up for possibilities. a was the united states, purely defensive posture. but we will give material aids. he was in the pacific and were left great britain take care of the atlantic. see was the nightmare scenario, offensive to oceans, and lending and pacific. that was a nightmare scenario. and d was the plan that they
finally agreed upon and that was save great britain, and then at first, defeat nazi germany. because it was it was naval departments, they call that dog. that was what accepted as the priority. fdr certainly didn't engineer pearl harbor, that was the last thing they wanted was a two oceans at work. sumac the one interesting in both of your book and especially here is the relationship between president and congress. when it comes to getting american involved in the war, technically congress has the authority to declare war. your book whether it's madison or lincoln or wilson are roosevelt or truman or johnson, in each case, there is a slight lease set of circumstances in which the president has decided how to exercise his authority as commander-in-chief.
and how to include or in some clay cases not include congress in the decision-making process. so could you talk a little bit about roosevelt's relationship with congress but also compare him with these others to some of the other stories are really quite incredible. sumac so it is happened again. anyone here, allowed to ask a question to this extremely literate audience. anything at work question mark 1942. couple of nations, year after pearl harbor, have we been in any war since 1942? [laughter] someone has not been reading the constitution for the last number of decades. fdr is sort of at the center of this because he had to deal with the result of woodrow wilson.
he took us into world war i without really explaining it to americans. either before or during the war. then at the end of the war, suddenly, essentially announced we want to do a piece organization and wilson went to europe the next six or seven months, voted down the league of nations. sever the 20s and 19 and 30s, this is not irrational that wilson took us into this work for reasons that we still don't understand. we lost a hundred and 6000 americans in a very short american period of time. for nothing. we are determined that that never will happen again. so in that spirit can't, congress and the 1930s, was telling fdr, and others that were might be necessary, absolutely not, we don't want another world war i. so great was this feeling that in 1937, there was a proposal called the ludlow amendment which was named for the
congressman from vermont that if the president ever wanted to go to war that would have to be a national referendum for something like 30 days and you would have to have a campaign. the likelihood of that rep raymond ever being in favor of almost any war was pre- high. so this was what fdr was dealing with. pearl harbor was also for the most part with some monumental exceptions in my view of the japanese and i am skeptical a little bit about the roosevelt policy on the holocaust especially later in the war. but with large exceptions, i think roosevelt was almost a model war president. explain week after week in those firefight jets to the americans, fighting this war for the freedoms. explaining we may have some setbacks, i want you all to get out your maps and those of you have enlisted to be in radio and i'm going to tell you what we intend here.
the model of an educator. roosevelt was such a brilliant war president and the combination of world war ii, was both successful and so great for the united states that for most of the time since then, congress has been very happy to succeed to basically let the president have the war power which the founders had hoped to give to congress. 1950s, shuman didn't bother to ask congress for a war declaration, police action was later called. before lbj was went to congress to ask for something called the gulf of tonkin resolution which turned out to be based on the fact that never taken place, and so for nine years, johnson and nixon waged war based on a nonexistent incident and ever since then, congress is very unwilling to vote for declaration of war and yet
congress hamza sense in as taken is indoors. we may see that happen again during the next year, i hope not. sumac may i ask michael a quick question question mark sumac michael when you speak about fdr is a wonderful wartime leader, would you also say that it was collectively in his administration #. >> no i really wouldn't. i think he appointed great cabinet members. but there was no doubt who is running that administration. there certainly was no doubt in his mind, and i think one reason aside from the fact that we have brilliant choices, in many cases and cabinet members, and work with some key members of congress. i think if you have the same cabinet in the same members of congress and god forbid, remove fdr, as much as i love this building, if henry wallace's president 1942, i think at least
to me and tell me if i'm getting what you're saying wrong, collective leadership means to me that if you take out the central leader, things are what unfold roughly the same way. i think in this case you really needed fdr and he wasn't dispensable. >> is that what you were thinking of. sumac of his theme to a great extent george marshall. >> i would say marshall was a splendid leader. result had great taste understanding marshall. in permitting him and knowing that he named princeton's army chief of staff rather than as architect of the invasion of europe in 19.4. please take marshall anybody munger henry wallace, different outcome for my.of view. again i love this building is named for him. [laughter] henry wallace's family.
>> we have a specific issue about this, marshall was brilliant on the chief of staff, admiral they had native but, the beginning of the, they wanted to legally invade france. and churchill wanted to abate in dade north africa. in spite of all of his late military leader say no, we need to attack germany immediately, fdr sided with churchill. he rolled all his military leaders in it so i think it really shows that he was making the decisions. he was listening to all of the arguments being made but he was really making all of the decision. this goes to his leadership. you do a wonderful job of making other people understand all these forces that was work at work all on him and those hundred days leading up to the speech that you mentioned earlier. it was about his character that allowed him to understand what needed to be done to move american that it needed be moved
question mark. >> i'm not sure how to address the question of character. except perhaps for his courage and self confidence. in other aspects of these hundred days, is a product of lindley, and that is mobilization of the entire industrial knife of the country. the economy, everything is placed on a wartime basis. one of my favorite little stories is one of the government officials in the small city of york, pennsylvania, who said in early 41, that his task had been to find jobs for men. now the task is to find men for jobs. there is a huge industrial renaissance.
the economy is placed on a wartime basis. companies are no longer making adding machines american cleaners, they are making shrapnel and weapons in tanks and scout first. that economic wartime basis at the same time, the true engine, partly in district and the types of industry, the economic local loyalists who must meet our demands 1936 are now his partners. he needs them. >> she did this particularly well in her book. >> is also the question of labor. labor movement was extremely powerful, unlike today and partially. and the unions were very powerful and there were a lot of
true strikes, that was a problem when her trying to gear up the economy and industrial economy for defense. an office. i learned a little bit about history about one of the things i didn't know was that most of the strikes were what they called jurisdictional strikes between the cio and the afl. and the workers went on strike, because the afl union didn't want to be associated with the cio union. they weren't really about pay, salaries, vacations et cetera. slaver had it also be educated and persuaded to do its part. and there was a song, how did it go, something about how did that labor makes the army go. it was actually true.
>> incredible pressure once war starts, the president feels the response ability for sending young men into battle. he takes a terrible toll on the men who are making these decisions, whether madison or lincoln or roosevelt or johnson and nixon, you see what happens to nixon towards the end. towards the end of world war ii, fdr is a sick man, certainly by 1944 did talk about how you feel is in his health impacted his leadership. particularly as you get close to the yalta conference and you if it essentially determine the fate of the world work. >> i studied it really closely and susan and i have talked about this over the years. the fact that roosevelt in as sick as he was, and he sure was sick, he had advancing cardiovascular disease and also
develop other problems even to this day not know fully about. this is someone who managed to carry out his job, the main thing in a way that was pretty much equivalent of a healthy person. you see the scenes for instance in 1944, in early 45, he finds a letter and doesn't remember signing it. i assume that not as much blood was getting to his brain. this is what he was dealing with. there was an instance after world war ii that fdr, the sick person, that his illness was responsible for whatever it was done at the altar that did not benefit the united states. it went word for word by the ultra conference, you can argue rather flat, whether every decision was that he made was right. it's very hard to make an argument that any of this was based on the fact he wasn't
feeling well or he wasn't the person he had been. >> i think that's particularly true when you look at what he said afterwards which was i did the best i could,. >> he said he didn't like the result of ultra and i can say it was good it was the best i could do. he was absolutely right. with the control up to berlin there was only so much fdr could've done and all set, and the other thing i could add on here, is that book i just written is about eight or nine presidents in the decisions they made to go to work and how they lend their wartime leadership. medicine through johnson every single one of them had either emotional or physical severe problems or both.
we will never know if roosevelt might not have suffered the sharp physical decline that he did that he not had the burdens a president during wartime. i sure think that had a big effect on what happened. sumac absolutely. broken asked one more question. then we'll get to our audience questions. because our friends from cspan are here, we have a microphone set up over here. come on over here and go to the microphone so we can get your voice on the recording. so susan what is the status of roosevelt's ranking and history of americans and [laughter] no pressure here whatsoever. i'll be with you in a minute. why do you think that. [inaudible conversation] >> i asked my students to write the presidents. i go with their answer, george washington abraham lincoln fdr.
we could do it the opposite way and cr lincoln washington, personally i might say fdr washington lincoln. but that mean disagreeing with my students. t-mac what you think that question mark. >> yes fdr saved civilization. that would be the most important. i was mentioning to winston churchill's man daughter who is here today. my favorite quote among many is something that alexander hamilton said in 1789, he said we think in english. by that he meant, not just the language although the language is very precious in fact the richest in the world. in terms of vocabulary. he encapsulated in that sentence everything that ties the united
states of its values to great britain, our enlightenment values, our magna carta, democracy, due process, individual rights, this was what was at stake. in world war ii. without that there is nothing. the soul is gone. so i would put fdr first then george washington, thank you george i was very glad he was president and not john adams or jefferson. he was fantastic. lincoln, believe it or not in high school, i was absent the week they did civil war soil not [laughter] >> how did that turn out? >> rank fdr as a wartime presidency of a smaller group to compare with here.
how do you rank him as a war president? the short answer is number two after lincoln. >> two things are really important i feel. one is we are really lucky that he was assistant secretary of the navy under wilson not because he was the greatest assistant in history which you may or may not have been but he watched wilson so closely that he saw all of the mistakes that wilson was making. just in case he did not notice those mistakes, he had this mistake sort of continuously narrated to him by his distant cousin t he had those mistakes narrated to him by his distant cousin theodore roosevelt who hated winston at roosevelt was still alive during world war i as i guarantee had fdr's here, in case you are ever president, don't do it the way woodrow was doing it and roosevelt got that message.
one of the messages was if you are ever a war president make sure every single american knows what the mission of the war is. they didn't in 1917-1918 and they sure didn't in 1940s. in january 1941, he was nearly elected to a third term. what does he talk about the four freedoms? something we think around the world that essentially became american war aims and in case anyone had miss apprehension. and the other thing i was saying earlier, not only in fall of 1940, in the late 1940s americans were terrified by any sign their president was secretly plotting to bring about a war people were
accusing roosevelt in 1937, he was in a position of having to ask congress for a big program for rearmament which would inflame those fears. he knew the alternative was if he did not rearm and we did get involved in a war against hitler and the japanese in 1940, 41 or 42, we would lose. so if you had a more timid politician as president we could have lost world war ii and would be living in a much uglier world, many of us would not be here. >> teddy's voice is in his ear the whole time. we will take questions from the audience. >> i saw you both here in 2015. >> good memory.
>> i read presidents of war. it is a great read. you nailed the chapter on fdr but had no idea william mckinley was so interesting. >> i didn't either. first to comment on this ranking of greatness of presidents i disagree why we need to rank them. washington, lincoln, roosevelt were each great in their own way. to compare them and say one is greater than the other misses the point and they influenced each other. lincoln was influenced by washington and roosevelt by lincoln and washington. american history is continuing. we are on a downslope right now, fake news. what are we going to do about it? roosevelt was terrific in so many ways.
he had amazing judgment and saw things nobody else did because he was fluent in german, he read mein kampf in the original in 1933, one of the english translations, this is an inaccurate translation and it made a huge difference. he understood the menace hitler opposed to everyone. here is my question, my standard question. if you could ask franklin roosevelt for one question, this is for both of you. what do you think it's answer would be? >> franklin, could i have a martini? [laughter] >> and how do you mix them? >> i would ask if history helped you to be a better president and i know what the answer would be.
sometimes we are really lucky, just before world war ii franklin roosevelt happened to be reading carl sandberg's biography of abraham lincoln. what is the lesson of lincoln? if americans are asked to fight a war they have to understand what the reason is. that will make them better warriors. the idea that you had in fdr's mind, vice president franklin roosevelt finally chose, harry truman, used to say he could never understand how you could have a president of the united states who did not read history. [laughter] >> that is what he said. [applause] >> my wild guess is fdr -- thank you.
>> to wonderscore what you're saying, fdr was a lifetime military scholar. paul can testify there are 73 books on john paul jones alone. his vision was incredible because he had the experience from world war i and understood everything. he read about churchill, he knew how to deal with the man. more than that his vision for the future, the united nations and thinkable energy he took towards establishing a world peace organization, where woodrow wilson failed is his true legacy. thank you. >> i agree. one of the nice stories, fdr
not only, importantly, with woodrow wilson, got america to be in it but seriously thought that a great location would be hyde park and the idea, talks about privately building an airstrip, foreign leaders come to fly in here and a few looking for land near here, even a boy's summer camp had gone bust, looking at that land and he even had in mind if his health held up, had in mind the identity of a certain person he thought would make a great secretary-general of the united nations after world war ii, would be himself. >> the only promotion you get from presidents. >> would you consider johnson and nixon did not get the lessons of roosevelt and
lincoln and also in vietnam, not sure what i understand why there was a war in vietnam, would you consider the strait of hormuz like the gulf of tonkin? >> that is a very great danger. one reason, i think they are totally wrong but many americans are suspicious of fdr and pearl harbor, that is an example of the paranoid streak in american intellectual history, because it happened so much in our history. james polk took us into a totally fake war against mexico based on an incident he provoked on the mexican border, provoked mexicans to attack americans, went to congress and said we have been attacked and we need a major war against mexico all the way -- and then
in 1898, talking about the always fascinating william mckinley and one of the ways he was fascinating was in 1898, asked congress for a war against spain, in response largely for an attack on american ship in savanna harbor, the ship was called the main, absolutely. it was sunk by, not the spanish, it was sunk by a boiler accident. can't go against boilers so we went to war against spain. you have things like this. there is a historical thread that goes to lbj, the gulf of tonkin never occurred, and in this case it should make us extremely suspicious of modern
presidents telling us about incidents that cause us to go into a major war. it may be something that is momentous enough that congress better sign on it. >> do you consider kennedy one of the great presidents? what would have happened with more recent presidents acting in the cuban missile crisis? >> that is one of kennedy's great accomplishments. very many other people who might have been president in october 1962 said i have told the soviets putting offenses in us in cuba would be an act of war, i can't politically sustain a position to keep myself from going to war against the soviets. had that happened, 60%, 70 million people would have been incinerated in a nuclear war as
well as much of the northern hemisphere. that is how much it meant to have a president who sought peace as much of kennedy's is and was as courageous as he did to stand up to the joint chiefs of staff who wanted to go to war. sometimes it seems an antique question in 2019. people have often said it doesn't matter who is president of the united states. i will put the question to the audience, does it matter? fdr and kennedy are examples of that. >> why don't the british rank their prime ministers? >> they do. >> the prime minister responsible for brexit may end up bottom of the list of prime ministerial greatness. >> churchill has two different rankings for his two different terms. >> a lot of history books state
that hitler made two serious bad mistakes in world war ii. first invading russia, the second was there war against the united states a number of days after pearl harbor. he was not obligated to do that under the treaties that were signed. >> he was not known for honoring treaties. >> first question. was it a slamdunk after pearl harbor to declare war on germany and it was not a slamdunk could it have been months, not forever before the united states did declare war? >> someone just asked me that and i have no idea. >> what if the germans had not declared war? all these people were so sure after engineering attacks on the ship at pearl harbor fdr
knew this was a way to get us involved in a war against hitler, that is one of the biggest pieces of evidence the argument is ridiculous because what if hitler then had not declared war on us? it would be harder for fdr to do it. >> i also, when they bombed pearl harbor, the americans were not sure who was doing the bombing. there were some german planes. the white house asked the people of hawaii if that was true. it seemed they were desperate to find any which way to implicate the germans into the situation. but it would be quite a while before they had. >> the last thing fdr would have wanted is a world war fought against the japanese.
sometimes god looks after the united states. >> two questions. do you have any idea why roosevelt dropped wallace, question one. question 2 is do you think fdr would have used the atomic bomb without warning the japanese? >> the bomb question, my co-author james macgregor burns wrote about that and he was a combat historian and he was in the major battles in the pacific. he knew how tired the soldiers were. there was no one else to draft. and invasion of japan was impossible.
i agree with jim that the bomb was necessary. >> it has been pointed out that the japanese were suing for peace. there was no question they were on their last legs or there was evidence they were pursuing peace. >> i don't believe history is written that way, that there is no question about anything. >> fdr would have dropped the bomb without a moment's hesitation. >> i don't think so. [blackett >> we can revamp that. >> i hope you will come back. can i have a word? >> again, what difference it makes to have a brilliant person as president of the
united states. in summer of 1944, fdr knew if he got a fourth term, a chance he might die in office, a good idea how sick he was or might resign, talk to a number of members of his family and after the war was over and so therefore it was all the more important who would be presiding over first years of the united states and a western world at peace. he admired henry wallace and he knew henry wallace was not supported by much of the democratic party which suspected him for a lot of reasons and also he worried how justifiably skeptical henry
wallace would be about the postwar soviets so he chose harry truman. oftentimes it has been written that roosevelt had a cavalier choice in this's your senator from missouri. there is one account roosevelt and truman had after the democratic convention of 1944, the white house under the andrew jackson magnolia and had lunch and truman was shocked at how jittery fdr was and how old and wasted he looked, he had not seen him at close range for some time and according to what truman said to one person. fdr told me after every great war america needs a time of rest. i chose you, if you might become president and i wanted someone slightly right of center who could consolidate the changes we have made so i
think this is not an accidental choice by fdr. he had this in mind, that he would serve the nation well, even fdr knew there was a chance he would. >> wallace had mystical behaviors, a lot of baggage. >> the roof is going to cave in. >> he was a brilliant man, but he would not have made a good president. our time is up. i want to thank michael and susan. [applause] >> there will be a book signing in the library. i read both books, michael's is longer. >> took ten years to write.
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