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tv   Campaign 2020 Interview with Rep. Tim Ryan D-OH  CSPAN  September 27, 2019 7:18am-7:57am EDT

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>> c-span's washington journal, with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up this morning we will discuss the house democrats impeachment inquiry of donald trump without oversight and reform committee member kentucky republican condiment jamesr come and tendler. watch washington journal at live at 7:00 eastern this morning. joined the discussion. this week c-span sat down with democratic presidential candidate congressman tim ryan of ohio for conversation about his life, career in congress and why he is running for president. this is 35 minutes. >> congressman tim ryan. you have been in the president's race for a couple months. what has surprised you most and what have you learned? >> it is both exhausting and exhilarating all at the same time. you get big crowds at different
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events, conventions in new hampshire, you get the big crowd and on the other side, the early mornings, the 4:00 am wake-up call so you can catch a plane and in the early states are not easy to get to. from ohio you have to go to chicago and iowa, charlotte into south carolina or atlanta. the travel, packing and unpacking the bags, that is the hard part. the one thing that has been interesting is there is almost a consensus in the country not just how screwed up washington is but the challenges of the country. you can be in a manufacturing center, the hospital has closed, they lost jobs, challenges with opiates, drug addiction, issues around the environment, algae blooms, water, whatever and go to rural iowa and it is the same thing, losing a maternity ward in the
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hospital dealing with methamphetamine issue. they are losing manufacturing, downtown needs rehabilitated and the commonality to me has been striking. i thought people were all experiencing the same thing but the level of detail as to what is happening to them in the challenges they have is all over these states. >> you have been talking about that a lot on the campaign trail. how much was automation versus unions and the industry itself? >> kind of like the perfect storm. you have globalization, automation. i said don't get rid of the café standards which we are making a smaller more fuel-efficient vehicle and i knew once they got rid of fuel efficiency standards that was going to put the plant in
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jeopardy and it was just a matter of weeks after donald trump got rid of those standards they closed the plant down. it is a combination of everything that is happening and i don't blame donald trump for everything. i blame him for not having a plan to fix it. that is the consensus. here we have the best jobs in the area. $31 an hour and even the jobs we are talking about replacing are $17 an hour for potential battery facility that goes into lordstown and so it is the american story of the last 40 years, how do we go from very high paying jobs, globalization, automation, no industrial policy in the united states, no strategy in the united states and the worker takes it on the chin and it is a combination of all of those. >> the head of gm making $22 million a year. do you think there should be salary caps for ceos of these companies? >> you can have salary caps, increased taxes for the top marginal rate.
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the company made $35 billion in the last three years. they got a huge tax cut and the ceo making $281 million on the factory floor. there is a level of unfairness. when you walk the picket line after the strike happened and i went from youngstown outside cleveland to toledo in northwest ohio to detroit and flint, the stories you will hear, people driving two hours to get to work and driving two hours home because their family was in cleveland or somewhere a couple hours away and they
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didn't want to move the kids out of school and the mom or the dad had a decent job. i want people to know they are making $30 an hour. the level of sacrifice many of these workers are making for their families. i was in toledo three hours from youngstown. i met more youngstown people in toledo than at the youngstown plant because they got transferred and their families are all back home. sympathy for the ones who have young kids. a 60-year-old, 15-year-old and 5-year-old, heartbreaking to be away from them but to do 6 more years in toledo, ohio and drive back after working five or six, 12 hour shifts to make ends meet is a level of anxiety these families are going through and those are the best paying jobs in the country. how about the other people making $15 an hour and have a lot of anxiety? that pain in the country right now is not even part of the conversation. >> host: what watching this my
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whole life. just outside youngstown, my family all work with factories, all union people. my dad who wasn't union works shifts. my father-in-law worked in a steel mill for four years, my grandfather, great-grandfather, they work really really hard and keep falling behind. i get really upset in moments, really passionate moments about it, the unfairness of the leaders in the country have not put the people of this country on a trajectory to be able to compete. i talk about an industrial policy, having a chief
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manufacturing officer. why? someone has to help organize the country around sectors of the economy that are growing like china does, like germany does like any country with a strong middle-class. we have no plan and i believe i understand that better than anyone else because i have been living in this foxhole for years. >> host: when tim ryan set i am running for president. >> i tried to prepare the kids. this was the running conversation between my wife and i. we have several dinners from the kids. they will call me a lot of things, and you may see stuff on tv. i wanted to prepare the 15-year-old, 60-year-old for the psychological peace. they are living their own lives. i don't think they sit around thinking about me all day but i
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wanted them to psychologically be prepared for me being away and helping the mom out a lot around the house and what may come from the pressure and stress and things friends major and my wife is been like a rock. she is a first grade school teacher, she works really hard. she is a phenomenal teacher and she juggles three kids and two dogs pretty much by herself. so she chose me support by making sure the kids are getting the attention, getting help with their homework, getting meals for lunch the on the weekends i tried to help out a little bit with the lunches for the week. she chose me support through action. >> we saw your campaign rally which we covered live. how did you meet your wife? >> through her brother-in-law at a golf outing, we were
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playing golf and we played golf. his last name is ryan too so we had fun. a couple irish guys on the golf course having fun and we hit it off and you have to hit -- to meet my sister-in-law. she was single with a couple of kids. the next few months we ended up seeing each other and november 22, 2008, we kind of met for the first time at the book cherry concert in youngstown, ohio and like that was when the fire started. >> why did you seek a seat in the house? why the house? >> guest: i thought the problems were national, global. when i had opportunities to run for governor, problems are
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really structural. it is definitive for our country for the next decade or two or three and i really like that it was more about youngstown. how can i be in position to really help my community i grew up in? how do we get the economy going to q politicians were running for years talking about steel mills. it was typical trump stuff. we are going to bring the steel back, we are not bringing steel mill back, somebody better get a plan together here. being in a position which is why worked to get on the appropriations committee, there were earmarks and i could bring back the money for particular projects around the district which i have been able to do, bringing hundreds of millions of dollars back for the local community but there was always
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that connection between you need a local plan but issues around trade, taxes and globalization were national in nature. >> if you are not successful in getting the democratic nomination will you run for reelection? >> yes. i have a lot of seniority on the appropriations committee. i'm moving up on the defense appropriations committee and we have been able to do a lot back home. i want to forgo what i can do for people back home, still in position to help even if this doesn't work out. i'm in a good spot. >> you challenged speaker pelosi. what is your relationship like with her? >> good. i conducted myself in a professional manner. i like her a lot. i have enormous respect for her. i think she is the best politician in the democratic party and that bore itself out
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in the last few days with kind of waiting on the impeachment peace. i have been for impeachment for a month or two, can't remember how long. she waited and waited and kept thing trump is going to impeach himself and wouldn't you know it, she was right and so her instincts in the legislative process are second to none. >> would you if you stay in the house like to be speaker someday? >> i don't think so. i was really frustrated when donald trump won because i felt the democratic party is not connecting to the people we started talking about in this conversation. the workers, white, black, brown, men, women, working-class people. we have to do a better job connecting. afterload trump election in 16 that became even more apparent in wisconsin, ohio and pennsylvania.
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that was the reason for me running and running for president. i have big plans and look out for the worker but in addition i can win those states. those are my kind of states. those are rust belt states and i do really well in those states to beat donald trump. that is another reason why. i think if we reconnect around the new agenda moving into the future together uniting these communities we talked about earlier that have the same problems it would change the brand of the party. if the nominee, i am from youngstown, this liberal ivy league brand we have been battling against for how long goes away like that and all of a sudden we are midwest
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blue-collar future of the economy and new idea party and i think that would be very effective. >> of elizabeth for an is the nominee you are worried that is how the republicans will brand her? >> i don't think there's any question. almost everybody on stage is coastal ivy league, there is potential to walk into that. i just -- he plays football on friday night. brady is 5, and on sunday morning i talked to moms and dads, talking about the wages, the jobs and that kind of thing.
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they acted out a real issue. how do we work hard to connect with these workers. and how do we get on the issues, they don't feel the stuff is being cooked up with them in mind, the policies of the future? >> this is water over the bridge but why do you think the hillary clinton campaign did not do that? where was the disconnect? >> they didn't go to a lot of these areas. barack obama did a bus tour through small little towns. there wasn't a lot of that. there was too much talk about trump and not about the voter, their economic anxiety. i think trump was very effective.
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he said we are going to expand healthcare into huge infrastructure bill and bring these manufacturing facilities back and in one of the most effective things he said in our area was bill clinton past nafta. we lost thousands of jobs, building another plant and shipping the product back to the united states. unions and factories went from $13,000 to nothing, the general motors facility used to be 16,000 people. now it is idle. nafta is perceived to have a lot to do with it and has a tremendous impact. when trump -- that is going to hurt. he had an inside lane.
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and republican orthodoxy. >> you used the word lane. what is tim ryan? >> a good politician, good leader can pull from all these areas. you need a coalition. my coalition ultimately will be more moderate because i disengaged with medicare for all as far as taking people's health insurance in that system. i came out about free healthcare for undocumented workers. i think in documented workers should be able to buy healthcare. if they can't afford it, and pay for free healthcare, and documented workers when everyone else drive 2 hours to get healthcare for their own family.
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on these issues, i position myself away from the field. >> they like their previous health insurance. >> they are driving to and from work to make sure they don't lose it, to communicate very frankly, they make $30 an hour. that is not a lot of money. it is a good solid middle-class. they are doing it for the healthcare that needs care. the conversation of taking that away from them whenever world collapsed around them is not good. part of the lane conversation i don't like, is not left or right but new and better. the vibe we have been tracked in, is not even a reflective of
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changes that have come in the economy in technology. globalization blue the left right divide away and donald trump is living in the left right divide and a lot of democrats are putting a fresh coat of paint on older policies that are part of the left right divide. i am presenting ideas that have democrat and republican support that are about new and better around industrial policy, batteries, charging stations, 80% of the american people support manufacturing and in all those areas, let's unite around something we all agree on, unionize the middle-class jobs. i talk about social and emotional learning, trauma informed care dealing with
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their trauma with a mental health counselor in their school. with the brookings institution, the american enterprise institute, we literally could put a huge high education reform proposal together and have the support of the left and right and regenerative agriculture which is sequestering carbon into the ground. farmers made money off of this, they don't resort to pesticides and nitrogen for the fertilizer so they make money and it sequestereds carbon but has the support of republican and libertarian farmers, who don't actually believe that man caused climate change. who cares? they are going to sequester carbon which democrats and
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liberals and progressives want. it is great for the environment, produces healthier food because it has less pesticides, gets rid of the algae blooms at the mouth of the mississippi river and farmers like it. why wouldn't a modern democratic party embrace this and say this is off going into rural america and make it happen? none of those are left or right. they are new and better and have a coalition that we could move forward on which even partisans, issues we could agree on. >> with all these issues, how do you make decisions? what is your thought process? go through how tim ryan formulates his opinion? >> i read all the time, my wife makes fun of me, magazines and books lying around, watch
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documentaries and talk to people too. i am a pretty social guy. i talk to these farmers around regenerative agriculture. i have a nice network of people. i wrote a book about food and the book about mindfulness meditation years ago. i have interesting networks of people who send me stuff because my friends are scientists who study buddhist monks brains and written books about that stuff and people who practice this in schools with veterans and all the farmers and scientists behind that and the doctors so i get a lot of incoming, a big network. so i get a lot of really cool cutting-edge you are working early, you like this article kind of thing and just try to take it in from everywhere. most of it, i read a great book by john wooden back in the day who said 90% of what you learn
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will be from other people and i have taken that to heart. >> in your book how often do you meditate? how often do you have a then moment? >> you could not have a then moment because you are meditating. i try to do 30 minutes in the morning. i started, and apps on the phone called the breathing apps is free. i have been sending it to everybody. i try to do 15 minutes of resonance breathing and you do 5 in order 6 out and you do that for 15 minutes. i don't know what it does to your nervous system but you call down. if anybody has anxiety or depression or any of these issues i send them the apps to do it and another 20 or 30 minutes on just after that following my breath, or impeachment or campaign or mason's football game or my
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wife is dealing with and then you come back because those are just thoughts and the more you discipline your mind to be in the present moment the more aware you are what is going on in the present moment. >> does it help you? >> i don't think i would still be in congress today. the stress level, the travel, the negativity on social media. i am able to let that stick. people trying to make it stick, people on twitter and all that stuff. it is really toxic. it has been extremely helpful for me. i make a lot of mistakes, say things to my kids a lot less. and got to let it go, just let it go. >> host: what were you like in high school? >> i was quarterback of the football team and captain of
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the basketball team. got along with everybody. friends with everybody. real competitive. i lifted weights, ran and stayed after practice to throw extra balls. loved sports, loved the cleveland browns and the cleveland cavs, michael jordan. i grew up in a cool sports era and very much my family, my brother was a couple years older than me and i got along with everybody. i was in study hall next to someone who didn't place for 2 is in the speech club. it was a great time. i went to catholic high school. and it really shaped me, the sports aspect and the coaches and teachers who were making a lot less than public school teachers, i tell story about my
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coaches, a good athlete and being late for one of the games and the bus was waiting for me and i was late and rules don't apply. coach guillen, the letter director and basketball coach, set me on the bench for the first half, you will be disciplined. you are part of the team, these people rely on you and the buses waiting for you so it was like that is the kind of very working class catholic school where a lot of people worked at general motors or delphi or one of the factories and pay for the kids tuition when tuition was cheaper. a very working class neighborhood. i come from that working class background. >> host: let's turn to the process we are in now. we are of humans before the primaries but already there has been the process in large part
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based on these debates in the dnc rules. are they fair? >> they are not. i don't think the dnc intentionally thought it would be as unfair as they thought it would be. i feel it interrupted the natural flow of the campaign. in the state senate, primary general or congress, primary general, there is a flow to campaigns especially a candidate like me, in the bingo hall or having breakfast in the morning, it takes time for a candidate like me. i don't have new york city or silicon valley -- a bunch of money to roll over.
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i feel i look back on my other campaigns and an underdog until the very end because i was on the ground. a great article from my congressional race in the primary taking on people, state senator, tom sawyer who was a congressman, sitting congressman in this primary election and there was a great article, in the article, one of the candidates had a poll and when they were winning the other candidate had a pole and they were winning and they asked my press secretary who was volunteering on my campaign who was a teacher at my catholic school how are you guys doing? said sounds great on the street. the reporter thought we were completely bsing, we weren't. we won significantly. we beat some of the candidates to-1 in some of the counties
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because we were on the ground. i feel this process is interrupting. i don't think bill clinton could come out of this process or ginny harter could come out of this process. that bothers me a little bit. we will go to the early stage and make enough money to keep going. >> host: you made headlines when you referred to joe biden, is he too old to be president? >> that is for the people to decide. they are the ones who make the judgment and we have to evaluate all of us. there are a lot of decisions to make. he brings a lot of wisdom, a lot of experience and they have to way that with someone like me who maybe doesn't have as much experience but still have 17 years, a little bit younger. it is up to the people to make that decision. >> host: if asked to be on the ticket would you serve as vice president?
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>> if somebody was the nominee. i most certainly will do everything to be part of that and back to the role for me to play i will play that role. i want to win and i think we can win. to me it is about making sure donald trump is not president for four more years and i will help in any way i can. >> the 2020 campaign is about what? >> i always say, i feel the structural economic problems that have been nagging working-class people, poor people for 40 years, but there -- >> this is a long-term problem. >> black monday in youngstown.
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by 1970s and that was the beginning of the end for the steel industry and we are talking lordstown not far from where those youngstown steel mills were and the auto plant and by 115%, healthcare costs still going up and people can't afford their prescriptions and it has turned into a drug epidemic route opiates which i think is directly related in some ways to the economic situation people are in so it has been happening a long time. to me that is the main issue in the country and has been. back to the elections. 2004 was twisted because of 9/11 but 2006 was an economic election, 2008 was an economic election, 10 was an economic
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election. 12 things were getting a little better but romney seemed too rich and wealthy to be on the side of working-class people, 16 was an economic election so modern political history these are all economic issues and that is it but there is a bully on the playground and the bully needs to be moved. he is a cancer on democracy, see what he is doing to the country's institutions and culture. more than anything the president of the cultural leader. we are going to build an arsenal of democracy or have a great society or have a cultural leader who says go back to where you came from and i will try to talk foreign leaders into helping me out politically back home. that cancer needs to be removed, donald trump aside, beating him is very important. if we don't fix the economic issue in the country it will
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keep going. there will be a class of people with better technology, better healthcare, better neighborhoods, better opportunity. better health outcomes, healthier food, healthier environment and the class of people which will end of being a large swath of the american people who are worse off. >> host: my final point, look at where you are today, we are members of the house of representatives, looking at it objectively what is going to happen with this inquiry? >> i would like to think some republicans in the senate will come around. i think we pass it in the house. most democrats will support it. i think it will go to the senate and it will be smoke and mirrors and i think they will circle the wagons and they will claim victory and trump will
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say he is exonerated and the campaign for president will resume which is why i think we still have to play the strategy of who can beat trump in these key streets? who has the issue, the vision for the future and can talk to these workers and get them into the future? there's a good chance he will to be around, his base will be super animated, super fired up and i worry that if we go into these states saying we will take your healthcare, we are going to ban hydraulic fracturing for example, take your job, there are thousands and thousands of people in western pennsylvania building a $5 billion natural gas plant and another one in eastern ohio. instead of talking about natural gas as a bridge it is better regulated, monitoring methane leaks, got to do a better job to get the renewable and do that as quickly as
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possible. getting technology and investments. if we come in with those issues on the table those workers are going to look at donald trump and say i think he is a slimeball, i don't like him at all but he's not taking my healthcare or my job and that is the reality, people get mad at me because i say that but it is the truth. i have lived there my whole life. i know who these people are and that is how they will sign it and i think they will still be around and it will be a helluva campaign. >> host: what have you learned about tim ryan? >> guest: i am a pretty resilient guy, pretty optimistic. i try to learn from the lessons of whatever the lesson is. i think that happened even more on the campaign. i have always been that way. i was cleaning out my basement
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a few weeks back and found a plaque from my high school that my football coach, they put quotes on and everybody's plaque said the record was 22-5 and he said most of these come from behind wins, i saw it and i was like man. i have always been that way. i used to like that. i used to like having the ball and being down with a minute and a half or two minutes to go. i liked it. i was superfocused and that was the moment to be in. i am not going to lose, the culture i grew up in. a gray shirt said youngstown invented grits. look at the workers, look at these guys driving two hours. that is ultimately the grits. i'm nothing compared to that but that is what i appreciated
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in the last few weeks. >> host: we thank you for your time. >> it was great. >> campaign 2020. watch coverage of the presidential candidates on the campaign trail and make up your own mind. c-span's campaign 2020, your and filtered view of politics. >> here is a look at live coverage friday on c-span. the house returns at 9 am eastern to continue work on the senate passed resolution to terminate the president's emergency declaration for border wall funding. later at 3:30 former national security adviser susan rice will speak at the texas tribune festival in austin. on c-span2 the president of columbia will discuss this country's future and relations with the us at 8:30 a.m.. on c-span3 they look efforts to
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protect the 2020 election from interference. the house judiciary hearing gets underway live at 9:00 eastern. >> recently c-span sat down with democratic presidential candidate marianne williamson about why she is running for office and what led her to join the race. this is 30 minutes. >> host: what motivated your desire to run for president? >> i think for a lot of people once donald trump was elected president nothing was the same. i don't think i'm the only person who has thought about what we are going to do with our lives now when so much shifted after the election of the president. i think that made all the difference in the world. >> host: in terms of the job the head of the cricket branch,

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