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north korea relations and the u.s. role in the asia pacific region. you can see this if it from the center for strategic international studies tonight at eight eastern on cspan2 and you can follow all of our programs online at and listen the free spin radio app. democratic presidential candidate congressman tim ryan of ohio sat down for an interview with cspan2 to talk about his live and his career and congress and why is the present running for president. congressman represents the 13th district of ohio which is in the northwest part of the state which includes youngstown. >> congressman you have been in this presidential race for a couple of months. it's been like what is it surprise you the most what did you learn ? >> is both exhausting and exhilarating all at the same time. you get a big crowd and different events and conventions in new hampshire and big
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statewide union conventions to get the big crowd and then you have on the other side, the early mornings that 4:00 a.m. wake-up calls that you can catch a plane. the early stage, are easy to get to so from ohio gotta go to chicago and then to iowa somehow or another charlotte and then into south carolina or atlanta. so the travels, the packing and unpacking of the bags. being away from the family. that's really the hard part. the one thing that's been interesting, is almost like the consensus in the country, not just how screwed up washington is but the challenges of the country. you can be in a manufacturing center in youngstown, the hospital's close, they lost jobs. the challenges with opiates of some kind of drug addiction, and she's around the environment. water whatever. and you can go into the rural and is the same thing. they are losing their maternity board, the hospital and they are dealing with methane and
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phentermine issues. they are losing manufacturing in their downtown needs rehabilitated. they'll theater needs renovated. so the commonality to me has been really striking. i thought that people are all experiencing the same thing with the loophole of detail as to exactly what is happening to them, and the challenges that they have is really across all of the states. >> and you've been talking out about that a lot of the campaign trail. why did it shut down and how much of it was automation versus unions and industry itself. >> is kind of like the perfect storm. while globalization, automation, i've said don't get rid of the café standards. remaking the smaller fuel-efficient vehicles there, the chevy cruze. and i knew once got rid of the fuel efficiency standards, that was going to put the plant in jeopardy. it was just a matter of weeks after president trump got rid of the standards that they close the plant down.
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so, it's a combination of everything that is happening. i don't blame president trump for everything. i blame him for not having a plan to fix it. i think that's been the consensus. here we have some jobs in the area $31 an hour. any of the job you talking about replacing her 17 bucks an hour for a potential battery facility the me going to lordstown. it's the american story unfortunately. of the last 40 years. how we go from these very high-paying jobs globalization automation no industrial policy here in the united states, no strategy here in the united states, and the worker takes it on the chin. i think the combination of all of those. >> the head of gm made $22 million a year. do you think there should be salary caps for ceos of these companies. >> you have salary caps, increased taxes for the top marginal rate, there's a variety of ways to get there.
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again, the comedy made $35 million in the last three years, they closed facilities and or stock prices go up. they got a huge tax cut and then the ceo is making like $281 for every 1 dollar the person on the factory floor is making. there's a loophole of unfairness that is gross. and we do walk that picket line like i have, right after the strike happened and i went from youngstown and or simplot paramount which is outside of cleveland in toledo northwest ohio. detroit in the flint. the stories you will hear, are people literally see, driving two hours to get to work and driving two hours home. because the family was in cleveland or the family was over a couple of hours away and they didn't want to move the kids out of school. the mom of dad had a decent job. i just want people to know that
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making 30 bucks an hour. the loophole of sacrifice that many of these workers are making for their families. i was in toledo just three and half hours youngstown. i met yet more youngstown people in toledo and at the youngstown plant. because they got transferred. the families are all back home. i have some really slow if simply for the ones with young kids. i'm 15 -year-old and six -year-old and a five -year-old. heartbreaking to be away from it from them. but for them to think that i can do six more years and drive back after working five or 612 hour shifts, to make ends meet, is the loophole of anxiety that these families are going through. those of the best dang jobs in the country. that's just staying, how about all of the other people are making 50 bucks an hour and have a lot of anxiety or have to drive or can afford healthcare. that pain in the country right now, it's not even a part of the conversation. >> so what is your campaign all.
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why are you running ? >> i've been watching this my whole live. i grew up in northeast ohio. just outside of youngstown. my family, they all worked in factories they were all union people. my dad wasn't union, he worked swing shifts. my father-in-law worked a steel mill for 40 years. my grandfather and my great-grandfather, all worked in steel mills. they work really hard. they keep falling behind. i get really upset and moments. i'm really passionate and moments about it. the unfairness of the leaders in the country have not but the people of this country on a trajectory to be able to compete. i talk a lot about an industrial policy, a lot about a chief manufacturing officer. why. because someone has to help organize the country around
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sectors of the economy that are growing. china does in germany does like any country who has a really strong middle class does. we have no plan. i believe that i understand that better than anyone else in this race because i have been living in this foxhole for 46 years. >> seven he called his wife and your kids, i'm running for president. >> i've tried prepare the kids. this was a running conversation between my wife and i. we had several dinners with the kids. they're going to call me a lot of things. if we have some success. you may see stuff on tv, your friends at school. i wanted to prepare the 16 -year-old and 15 -year-old mason bella, for the kind of psychological piece of it. their teenagers, so they're living our lives. i don't think this around all day thinking about me. but i wanted them to psychologically be prepared for me being away. and for them being having to
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help her mom out a lot around the house. and what may come from that of the pressure and stress and the things that their friends may do. and my wife has been like a rock. she has just been. she's a first-rate schoolteacher. she works really hard and she is the phenomenal t-shirt. she juggles three kids and two dogs. pretty much by herself. so she shows me support by making sure that the kids are getting the attention and they're getting help with their homework, their getting good meals for lunch, on the weekends try to go help out a little bit with lunches for the week. she chose me action. >> campaign rally in which we cover live. how did you meet your wife. >> through the brother-in-law. i met at a golf outing and we
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were playing golf and we hit it off immediately. coincidently enough his last name is ryan is it too. so we had a lot of fun and a couple of irish guy on the golf course. we are having fun. we hit it off and he said you have to meet my sister-in-law. she was single with a couple of kids over the course over the next few months, weeded up seeing each other. november 22nd 2008, we met for almost the first time. it was at the buck cherry concert in youngstown ohio because commissions are because like that was, that's when the fire started kind of. >> why did you decide run for congress. >> i thought the problems were national. the problems were global. even when i've had opportunities to run for governor, it was like
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these problems are really structural around globalization. around automation and art petition with china. which i think is really definitive for a country for the next decade or two or three. and i really liked it but it was more about youngstown. it was more about how can i be in a position to really help my community that i grew up in and how do we get the economy going. because politicians were running for years while i was growing up. talking about the steel mills and bringing them back. it was timbales pop stuff. going to bring the steel mills back. they're not bringing them back. somebody better get a plan together here. something in a position which is why i worked very hard to get on the appropriations committee because they were earmarks i can bring back money for particular projects around the district. which i've been able to do and brought hundreds of millions of dollars back. for the local community but there was always that connection between the local plan but the
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issues around trade in taxes and globalization where in national nature. >> if you are not successful in getting the democratic nomination, we run for reelection. >> yeah. i got a lot of seniority on the appropriations committee. i moving up on the defensive appropriations committee and we've been able to do a lot back home. i want to forgo what i can do for the people back home, so i'm in a position to help even if this doesn't work out. yes i'm in a good spot there. >> you challenge speaker pelosi, what is your relationship like with her ? >> good. i think i conducted myself in a really professional manner. i like her a lot. i've got enormous respect for her. i think she is probably the best politician in the democratic party quite frankly i think that baird is about. in the last few days with kind of waiting on the impeachment piece and i have been for impeachment for a month or two.
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remember how long but she waited and waited and she kept staying, trump is going to impeach himself. and when to note, she was right. so her instincts and the legislative his process are really second to none. >> would you, like to be speaker sunday? >> i don't think so. it's never really been my ambition. i was really frustrated when president trump one because i felt like and still to a certain extent feel like democratic party it's not connecting to people. the workers. the white and black and brown, like men and women, working-class people. we have got to do a much better job of connecting. so after the trump election, and 16, i became even more apparent. when we lost michigan wisconsin and ohio and pennsylvania.
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that was the reason for me running and it's the reason i'm running for president is it too. not only to have big plans and i'm going to look out for the worker, but in addition to that, i can with the states. those are my kind of states. those are rough belt, and i could do really well in those states. and be donald trump so that's another reason why. but is the disconnect from them i think we reconnect with them around the new agenda moving into the future together. uniting all of these community that have the same problems. and i would change the brand of the party. if the nominee, in youngstown, ohio, this postal coastal liberal ivy league brand that we've been battling against for how long. it goes away like that. and all of a sudden we are midwest blue-collar future of the economy and new idea party and i think that would be very
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effective. >> so are you worried that that's how the republicans will brand her. >> nothing there's any question. elizabeth warren, almost everybody on the stage is coastal ivy league and like i think we can there's a potential to walk into the brand. it could be who knows was going to happen. i just think we have got, it's not me staying it. mason, the 16, he plays football on friday nights. i try to make. i found in the moms and dads at the football games. brady is five anyplace like football. we going saturday morning, i talked to montanez and this is what they were seeing. the party has forgotten us. they're not talking about us. they are talking a lot about other issues but not talking about the wages and the jobs that kind of thing so there is a real disconnect in those states. they've acted out and voted for
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trump. instill real issue and i think whoever the nominee is, when it's gonna be how we work really hard to connect to these workers which are advocating for myself actually. and how do we get right on the issues so that they don't feel like the stuff is being cooked up that went out them in mind. the policies of the future. >> i realizes the water with a bridge. what do you think they'll rape a lenten campaign didn't do that in 2016. >> was a disconnect #they didn't go to a lot of these areas. the client did a bus tour barack obama did a bus tour, through the small little tales. there was a lot of that. there's a super focus on driving out the base. i think there wasn't enough. there was is it too much talk about trump and not enough talk about them the voter. their economic anxiety. i think trump was very effective to pretty light, he said i'm not going to raise taxes on the ritz
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and expand health care into a huge infrastructure bill and bring all these manufacturing facilities back. most people are looking at these one of the most effective things he said in our area was bill clinton passed. and we lost thousands of jobs in si. plants closing and going over the border of mexico building another plant and shipping the product back to the united states. unions and factories went from 13000 down to almost nothing. the general motors used to be 16000 people now it is idle. nafta is perceived to have a lot to do with it. it did have a tremendous impact. sounded globalization. when trump started staying that, i thought man, that's going to hurt. that's a strike. he had a little inside lane. because traditionally room.republicans couldn't say this kind of things being against free trade. he was against the republican orthodox and i think it out him
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a lot. >> use the word lane. players tim ryan. >> like a lame thing. a good politician a good leader can pull from all of these different areas. you need a coalition. michael elation ultimately will be more moderate people i think. i have kind of disengaged with the medicare for all as far as taking people his health insurance and forcing them into that system. i came out against decriminalizing at the border. of come out against free health care for undocumented workers. i think undocumented workers should be able to buy healthcare if they are sick, they can afford it, then the have to do that went out but you can't, they're going to pay for free healthcare for undocumented workers when everyone else is working driving two hours to and from work to try to get healthcare for their own family. the segue to work.
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so on these issues, i positioned myself kind of away from most of the field. so that would be the more modest lane. >> you talk to those workers, they like their health insurance. >> yeah, they're driving two hours to and from work to make sure they don't lose it. to communicate very frankly, that person yeah they make 30 bucks an hour. that's not a lot of money. it's a $60000 years good solid middle-class but they are doing it for the health care. may have a sick kid. vinnie's care and so they in the conversation of taking that away from them, when the whole world is collapsed around them, i think he it's not good. part of the lane conversation that i don't like is that in a keep staying it's not left or right because the vibe that we have been trapped in, it's not working and it's really not even
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reflective of the changes that have come in the economy. in our culture. and into technology. globalization, blue the left right divide away. donald trump is living in the left right divide. i think a lot of democrats are putting a fresh coat of paint on a lot of the older policies that are part of the left right divide. so what i've been presenting his ideas that have both democrat and republican support that are about new and better around an industrial policy. around manufacturing. electric vehicles and batteries and charging stations and solar and wind like 80 percent of the american people support manufacturing. and china's cleaning our clock and all of those areas. so let's unite around something we all agree on. unionize a lot of these jobs so they are middle-class jobs. a talk a lot about social and emotional learner. trauma informed care for our kids in the schools.
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really dealing with their trauma. making sure there's a mental health counselor in every school. social emotional learning have support of the brookings institute and the american enterprise institute. left and right we could literally put a huge education reform proposal together and actually have the support of both the left and the right. affect a lot about good regenerative agriculture which is about planting crops year-round. carbon into the ground and farmers make money off of this because they don't use all of the pesticides and all of the nitrogen for the fertilizer. so make money. as i said, it's precious carbon so it could be huge for the environment but has the support of republican and libertarian farmers who don't actually believe, that man caused climate change. will who cares. they're going to have the carbon which is what democrats the liberals and progressives want.
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it's great for the environment, and produces healthier food, is a lot less pesticides, constructive theology looms and that dead zones at the mouth of the mississippi river and the farmers like it. why wouldn't they modern democratic parties and embrace this. and say misses us us were going to go in rural america make it happen. none of those are left to right. see what i'm staying. and no better and they have a coalition that weekend actually move forward on. even partisans are dying for some issue or issues that we could agree upon and move on. >> with all of these issues, curious, how do you make decisions. what is your thought process. havisham your read and go through had ten riots formulates his opinions and his views. >> i read all of the time. whatever is around. my wife makes fun of me. like magazines and books laying all around. i watch documentaries.
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and talk to people is it too. i'm a pretty social guy. i talk to these farmers for example around the generative agriculture. i got a nice network of people. i read a book about food and my default notice meditation years ago. i've got interesting networks of people who like send me stuff. as my friends are scientists who study buddhist monks brains. and written books about that stuff. and people who practice the stuff in schools. with veterans and ike stuffed with all of the farmers and scientists behind that and the dodgers. so get a lot of incoming as most members of congress tour journalists. in a big network. second a lot of really cool and cutting edge you know going to really like this article kind of thing. just try to take it in from everywhere but most of it is i've read a great book by john whitten activity, best logos, 8d will be from other people.
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and i've always taken that to heart. >> in your book, how often do you meditate, how often do you have a zen moment. [laughter] >> you cannot have a zen moment while you are meditating. your mind is going. i try to do about 30 minutes in the morning now. i started doing the app of the phones called the breathing out. it is free. i recommend it to everybody. i've been sending it to everybody. i try to do about 15 minutes called residents reading and you just kind of coordinate five and in five hours six and in six out. and you do that for about 15 minutes. i don't know what it does you to your nervous system but you calm down. like if i hear anybody has anxiety or depression or any of these issues i send them the app. another 20 or 30 minutes on just after that, just kind of following my breath and your mind goes off to the task of the future or impeachment or campaign or mason's football game or my wife is dealing with,
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and then you come back. those are just thoughts. and the more you can discipline your mind to be the present moment, the more aware you know a voice going on in the present moment. >> says help you. i don't think i would quite honestly still be in congress today. the stress loophole in the travel, the information in the negativity on social media. like i am able to not let that stick. people are really trying to make it stick. people are on twitter and all of that stuff. it's just really toxic. it is been extremely helpful for me i'm not perfect, make a lot of mistakes. i say dumb things still. i say thanks to my kids and i'm thinking why did i say that. a lot less. and you try to let it go. >> what we like in high school. >> i was the quarterback. [laughter] i was quarterback of the football team and captain of the basketball team. it got i got so long with
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everybody. i was just friends with everybody. and real competitive. i worked really hard lifted weights and ran estate after practice to throw extra bowls. but just love sports. love love love. the cleveland browns, and the cleveland cavs and then michael jordan and i grow up in a really cool like sports era. i was very much into sports. very much my family and my brother was a couple of years older than me. and he played. i got so long with everybody. i would be in study hall next to me who didn't play sports and they were in speech club. and we would get in trouble. it was a great time. i went to a catholic high school. warren john f. kennedy. really shaped me. the sports aspect of my coaches but also the teachers there who are making a lot less than public school teachers, i tell stories all of the time about my coaches were good athlete.
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i remember it being for one of the games. and the bus was waiting for me. i was late. not a star of the team and rules don't apply. remember the coach who was the athletic director got me in the bench for the first half. they sent me there. they told me you will be disciplined. you know part of the team and these people are relying on you the whole bus was waiting on you. that was the kind of education i got. it was a very working-class catholic school. >> one of the factories and they do for a little over time to pay for tuition. those in a working-class neighborhood. become very much from that working-class at catholic background. >> let me turn to the process we are in right now. still a few months before the iowa caucuses and the actual primaries. but already there's been a wheeling process large part based on these debates and dnc
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rules. are they fair? >> no they're not. i don't think the dnc intentionally like thought it would be as unfair as it ended up being. i'm not sure that i feel like it is interrupted the natural flow of the campaign. i've run in a lot of campaigns. remember the first two or three that i ran in, for state senate primary general and in congress a few years later. primary general. there is a flow to campaigns. especially for candidate like me who is on bowling alleys and people halls and hearts and having breakfast in the morning. it just takes time for a candidate like me. i don't have an ivy league number. i don't have new york city or silicon valley like pumping money in. i don't have a bunch of money to roll over. i feel like an interrupt. i look on my other campaigns, i
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was the underdog to the very end. because i was on the ground. a great article from a congressional binary. taken on all kinds of people. state senators lived in for years, tom sawyer who was a congressman, sitting congressman was in this primary election. as this great article, and the article was one of the candidates had a bowl and they were winning, the other candidate had a full and they were winning and they asked my press secretary who was volunteering on my campaign was a t-shirt my catholic school in kennedy, [laughter], they said how are you guys doing in my pat said sounds great in the street. and so the reporter thought we were completely be asking them. week one. we won significantly. repeat some of the candidates some of them to the one because we were on the ground.
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i feel like this process is interrupting, i don't think bill clinton could come out of this process. i don't think jimmy carter could come out of this process. that bothers me a little bit. but we are staying and and we are going to go into the early states and we are we have enough money to keep going so we are going to stay at it. >> you made some headlines we need referred to joe biden declining. is he is it too old to be president. >> this for the people to decide. ultimately, they are the ones who make the judgment. they're going to have to evaluate all of us. i think you have a lot of decisions to make. he brings a lot of wisdom. a lot of experience in the going to have to weigh that with someone like me who maybe doesn't have as much experience but still 17 years i'm a little bit younger. so it is up to the people to make that decision. >> and has to be on the ticket. if there's another democratic nominee. we you surf as vice president. >> yes, if sony was the nominee
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and if i can help them beat donald trump, i most certainly will do everything i can to be a part of that. if they think that's the rule for me to play, i would play that role. i don't necessarily want that role, i want to win. i think we can win. i still think there is a path for me to win but to me it is about making sure donald trump it's not president for four more years. i'd be happy to help in anyway i can. >> two final points. the 2020 campaign is about what. >> i always say and i feel the structural economic problems that have been negative working-class people for people for 40 years, but there is a bully. >> forty years, that's is the long-term problem. >> black monday in youngstown. nineteen 1970s, i was the
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beginning of the end for the steel industry. and now we just how many years later we are talking about lewistown. not far from where those youngstown steel mills were. and we have an empty bottle plant. you look at ceo paste on up 950 percent and the worker his none of 12 percent. healthcare costs are still going up. people can't afford their prescriptions. now it is turned into the drug epidemic around opiates. i think it is directly related in some anyways to the economic situation of people ran. so yeah, it's been happening a long time. to me that is the main issue in the country and it has been. i think you can go back to the elections in zero four, is the little twisted because of 911 but zero six was in the economic election. i think who ate was a delight economic election and out in ten
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and 12 things will get a little bit better. love it is it too rich and wealthy to be on the side of working-class people. i think 16 was an economic election. the modern political history, these are all economic issues i believe. i think that's it. but there is a bully on the playground now. the bully needs to be removed. he is the cancer and democracy. see what he is doing to our country his institutions. our culture. run anything he is the cultural leader. you have one that says were going to go to the moon or build an arsenal democracy or upgrade society are cultural leader who says go back to where you came from. i'm going to try to talk more leaders into helping me out politically back home. so that cancer needs to be removed. the donald trump aside, beating him is very important. if you fix this economic issue in the country, there is going to be and is going to keep goi
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going. there's going to be a class of people has better technology and better healthcare and better neighborhoods and opportunities. better health outcomes. healthier food, healthier environment that they live in and you are going to have a class of people which will end up being in a large spot for the american people who will be worse off. >> you are my final., you look at where we are at today. your member of the house of representatives. looking at it objectively. what is going to happen with these inquiries. >> i would like to think that some republicans in the senate will come around. i think we have passed now. i think we'll have a lot of most democrats will support it. i think it will go to the senate. and it will be smoke and mirrors. i think the circle the wagon. in a get crushed in the claim victory. purple say he's exonerated. in the campaign over president
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will resume. which is why i think we still have to play the strategy of who can beat trump in these key states. who's got the issues in the vision for the future. and talk to those workers and get them on into the future. he has nursing a chance he's still going to be around. his basis going to be super animated. super fired up. i worry that if we go into the state staying were going to take your healthcare, were going to ban hydraulic fracturing for example, why did take those job. there are thousands of people in western pa who are building a 5 billion-dollar natural gas plant. there's another 5 billion-dollar when going into the eastern ohio. so instead of talking about natural gas as a bridge, is better regulated and monitor the methane links, gotta do a better job so we get to the renewable. i do that as quickly as humanly
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possible. given technology investments. if we come in with those issues on the table, those workers are going to look at donald trump and say i think he's a slimeball. i like him at all. but is going to healthcare and it's not going to take those job and that's your reality. people get mad at me because i say that. but it is the truth. i live there and i live there my whole live. i know who these people are. i've lived with them. that's how they will decide. so i think they'll still be around and it will be healthy campaign. >> in this process when did you learn about tim ryan? >> i'm probably pretty resilient guy, pretty optimistic. try to learn from the lesson of whatever the lesson is. and i let it go. nice to keep going. i think that happens even more and more on the campaign. but i always kind of been that way. i was cleaning out my baseman a
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few weeks back, and it had a plaque from a high school that my football coach they put little quartz on it. it said, a record was 22 and five and he said most of these come from behind wins. something else eyes but i thought i thought, i've always kind of been that way. i always used to like that. i liked having the ball and being down with the men minute and half or two minutes ago. i like date. i was super focused and that was the moment to be in. see you go about like, i'm not going to lose. a lot of that comes from the culture kate grew up in. it's a great shirt back on this is youngstown invented grant. [laughter] a look at the workers new look look at these guys driving two hours. that is ultimately the great. so i'm doing nothing compared to
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that. that's what i appreciated about myself the last few weeks. >> we think you for your time. >> thank you it was great. ♪ ♪ campaign 2020. watch our live coverage of the presidential candidate on caveman. make up your mind. cspan campaign 2020. your unfiltered view of politics. >> one is the possibility of limited though it may be, of regime change in north korea. second, we should look at and discuss with china and we should've done it long ago, aiming toward the reunification of the peninsula on a freely elected government like that in south korea. third, if you believe in you may not, that is unacceptable for north korea to have nuclear weapons, as some.military force
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has to be an option. know this is obviously the most controversial subject to many people say it's just unimaginable that you would use military force. so let me quote to you the words of general joe jennifer, the chairman and joint chief of staff on his last day as chairman, he's done an outstanding job. he said this to the aspen institute seminar in the summer of 2018. on this question of what is unimaginable. general dunford said, the told my counterparts both friend and foe, it's not unimaginable to have military options to respond to north korea's nuclear abilities. what is unimaginable to me, is allowing the capability to allow nuclear weapons to land in
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individuals want to see them actually avenues director. >> tonight at eight eastern on c-span two, cspan2 up next, cspan2 his interview with author and democratic presidential candidate marianne williamson, she talked about her live and why she decided to join the race. >> marianne williamson, what motivated your desire to run for president #. >> i think for myself, but i think for a lot of people. once on trump was elected, nothing was the same. i don't think i'm the only person who's thought about what we're going going to do with our lives now. we shifted. after the election of the president. i think that made all of the difference in the world. >> in terms of the job though, is one of the most complicated


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