tv Politics and Public Policy Today CSPAN July 31, 2015 9:00am-11:01am EDT
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off the bench or daryl? >> it's a step. all the other guys in the market, look at kansas city just did. >> i don't think he is a whole lot better than he is. >> really? >> look at the stats. >> okay. we'll do. >> first lady would not like that picture. mouth wide open. >> oh, boy. >> oh, yeah. look at that. doughnut day. >> thanks so much. >> you're very welcome. >> we'll see what happens. any more deals, do you think? >> i still think they may have one in them. >> really? >> i do. i don't know what he was thinking. oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> it's hanging in the headquarters. >> i'm happy to hear that. thanks, man. and we're live this morning to hear from defense secretary ashton carter. he is making remarks to military families this morning. this is hosted by the military child education coalition.
and we're live on this friday morning as the military child education coalition is hosting a conference on military families. yesterday we had live comments from out going joint chiefs chair general martin dempsey. we showed you that to you live on c-span2 and today on c-span3 it's defense secretary ashton carter. should get under way in just a moment live here on c-span3. we have a moment, the national urban league is hosting its annual conference in ft. lauderdale, florida. presidential candidates are speaking to the group. right now hillary clinton is addressing the urban league. you can see that live on
thank you all for your patience. i just have to tell you what the little delay was. the secretary is spending time with our students. so this is a good thing, right? you know, this is a very good thing. you know, we couldn't do what we do without great support. and one of the just absolutely always there for us corporate supporters has been bae. you know, truly friends and helpers and we have a national adviser doug balaro who is part of the bae.
but bae is, as we say in west texas, is the real deal. you know, it's my privilege to introduce the ceo of bae systems, mr. jerry dumero. i watched him with a student-to-student kids in there and you can tell that he's a dad. he's got two kids and you could tell really relating to students. so his 34000 employees in bae systems are fortunate as they are in five countries they have a ceo who cares, who knows that their mission is important. so please help me welcome mr. jerry dumero which bae systems. >> thanks, mary. i appreciate that. and good morning to everyone if. on behalf of all of the employees of bae systems i would like to thank you first and foremost for making the effort
to join antek national training seminar and giving this topic the attention it clearly deserves. each of you here today, teachers, students, parents, educators, volunteers has shown a tread mend douse commitment to military families and their children, both extremely important causes and let's face it, children are our most precious and valuable resource that we have in this nation and, in fact, around the world. so thank you for that. i'd also like to thank secretary defense ash carter chairman of the joint chiefs of staff marty dempsey, and the many other distinguished dod visitors and military leaders who demonstrate that same commitment to children and military families every day as well as making eight priority to attend these sessions in what is a collection of very, very incredible schedules.
i think that demonstrates their commitment to the cause. you know we often speak about the contributions and sacrifices and right of the men and women in uniform that they make in service to our nation. its freedoms that we all enjoy. but we don't hear enough i don't think, about the husbands, wives, the daughters and sons who hold down the fort when moms and dads are deployed, who move from base to base as assignments change. they may not wear a uniform but they all play a fundamental and very vital role supporting our military and allowing it to be the strength that it is. children from military families face challenges by their teenage years as we've just heard among the very very bright and capable young men and women in the room with secretary carter. they face challenges by their
teenage years that most of us don't face for decades if at all in our lifetimes. they include relocations, difficult transitions, friends left behind and loved ones in far off lands. to say nothing of the challenge of young boys and girls jumping from school to school. secretary carter's force of the future initiative recognizes that service members need and deserve greater flexibility in how they serve. they are an eco system of a family. and that includes exploring how the military and the department of justice can adjust or reduce the frequency of moves for service members which would allow them to spend more time on station and allow an improvement overall in the quality of lives for our military families. i think that is something that we can all support and we look
forward to those initiatives becoming reality. thank you, mary, and the ntek for your tireless work on behalf of these children to ensure they receive the education they need and the opportunities they deserve. it is clearly in all of our best interests to support such initiatives. and most of all i'd like to thank all of you for investing your time, your money and your energy for rolling up your sleeves and making the fight personal, both as advocates and as educators. please keep up the great work. and thank you very much. >> i'm going to let you in what is going on.
i'm instructed not to introduce the secretary until considerry stands in that door and tells me to introduce. so white don't you make shaur you know a deep family secret about somebody at your table. hang in there with me. help me. i'm going to stand right here until i'm told to do so. okay? go for it. thanks for your patience.
okay. really. so thank you all so much. it's my great pleasure to introduce for our featured speaker the 25th secretary of defense, dr. ashton carter. he's not only a dedicated public servant, he's a scholar, a rhodes scholar and renaissance man. he's been in business. he's been in government service. he's a teacher. the delay, because he has a teacher's heart. it's my joy to introduce with great honor and privilege, our secretary of defense, dr. ashton carter.
>> thank you so much. good morning. good morning. mary, thank you. stephanie and i -- where are you, steph? >> right here. >> my better half right there, stephanie. we just met with a few kids from the student-to-student program, your program. what great -- where are they? you guys out there? where are they? yay. give those guys a round -- what an amazing incredible kids. and what a simple and powerful idea that local military children, and they're not all military children, including some nonmilitary children who take it upon themselves to be ambassadors to new military children who has just moved
nearby. it's a great take on the tradition of sponsorship in our military, a tradition of sponsorship of any transitions to new bases and new communities. it's part of our tradition but thanks to this organization is now gone down a generation to our children. we're very grateful of that. that's just one innovative way that this coalition supports our military kids beyond the classroom. and i want to thank you for orchestrating this tremendous training seminar here for being the department of defense's go-to partner on all things affecting the well-being of our military children. it means a lot to us. of course, i want to thank the teachers, the counselors the administrators, the parents here today for your service our next generation, for committing your
mission to making their stories success stories. thanks. to the people in this room the scope of our mission is clear think about it this way. for our recent high school graduates, the entire time they've been in school during elementary school spelling bees, junior high school prep rallies and senior proms america has been at war. last week i spoke to our men and women on the front lines in iraq. many of them are parents. many of those who aren't hope to be some day. and for most of their lives america has been at war. regardless of the tu mull choose reality they live in military children continue to must ter same grit and courage their parents devote to defending our country. that's what really makes our
military the finest fighting force the world has ever known. it's our people. that's our secret sauce. not just our war fighters but their families their kids who proudly embrace their service. kids like margerite flynn whose story is told on the msec magazine "on the move." marguerite is in high school. her dad is a coastguards dl men. they've moved six times in their life. she says moving is the best and most challenging thing about being a military kid. marguerite was asked about the most important thing people should know about military children. i'm told she said quote kids serve, too. kids serve, too. she's right. so many kids like marguerite proudly own their service. they're determined creative,
wise beyond their years and they seize their story their unique experiences as an opportunity or challenge, the challenge this coalition has valiantly taken on is to provide them the support they need to succeed. as may have been mentioned earlier, i think it was, long before i was secretary carter at one time i was professor carter. so i'm an educator, too. as educators we know education is critical to a richer quality of life for our people, as americans we know education is critical to a vibrant democracy. but as secretary of defense, i can tell you that the education of our military children is critical to our mission, to our security, and to building what i call the force of the future, the military that will defend our country in the years to
come. let me say why. it's true that a capable dynamic force of the future will depend on maintaining an unmatched operational edge and unmatched capabilities but it's more than just advanced weapons platforms that keep people safe. people keep people safe. it's our men and women in uniform and their families their conviction their courage, their sacrifice. let me just say it again, it's that that makes ours the finest fighting force the world has ever known. if we're going the stay the best, the u.s. armed forces has to be an attractive, inviting supportive place to serve for families of all kinds. the world's changing. the labor market is changing. younger generations and young
families want flexibility and choice in their career paths. we know that. more and more, we're seeing that they want to be on a jungle gym where you advance by moving around and having new experiences. not an escalator where you get on and wait your turn. dod has to keep up. and keeping up means being more responsive to the needs of our military families and their children. that's our obligation. but given today's abundance of career paths to choose from we can't take for granted that military children are twice as likely as other kids to join the military. nor can we take for granted military parents inclination to recommend military service to their own children. both of those things happen. there's tremendous value in families upholding a tradition of service that is passed from
generation to generation. makes our military stronger. there's no substitute for the unique potent mix of passion and mentorship that comes from a military mom dad, granddad in the case of one of the kids i was speaking about earlier today, or all of them. i recently got a letter from a fourth grader who wrote, quote, dear mr. secretary. i want to be in the military because i want to defend our country and our country's freedoms. my mom and dad are in the air force, and that is what inspired me. there it is. it's great reason. military children like that future airmen who already see the virtue of their parents' service, also see their peers chase those jungle gym style careers. they, too, see businesses trending towards more family flexibility, more opportunities
to pursue higher education and fewer long-term commitments. so we have to adapt to keep up and to compete for talent. and when we make the department of defense a more attractive place to join across the board the virtue of service becomes a more worthwhile endeavor for military and civilian families alike. so our force of the future should be family focused parents in uniform who never feel like they have to choose between pursuing a promotion and supporting their family. to give families more flexibility we're expanding maternity and paternity leave and we're creating onramps and offramps between active duty and the reserves. so our personnel don't have to derail their careers to get an advanced degree or to have a family. to give service members and their families greater choice, we're overhauling the way we
place personnel, too to offer more options and potentially -- potentially not always but potentially fewer moves, meaning fewer first days as the new kid in the school. to give families more opportunity we're making sure that serving in uniform doesn't mean you have to trade in your aspirations to wear a cap and gown, if that's what you want to do. the post nefb9/11 gi bill has helped 1.3 million americans pay for college. those benefits are transferrable to family members. we're looking for ways to make it work even better. those are just a few of the ways we're working hard to be more responsive to the needs of our modern military families which, of course, support our military kids. but when it comes to education we have a specific set of tools we use to deliver direct support
in the classroom. more than 74000 kids attend dod-run schools overseen by our department of defense education activities office dodea. high schools have good teachers, high graduation rates above average s.a.t. scores. we're doing well but we can always do better. that's why starting with this coming school year we'll be adopting college and career-ready standards across all dod schools. so our military kids can hit the ground running in college and be first in line for 21st century jobs. but dod schools are only a small part of military child education, as you all know. more than 90% of military children attend local public schools. so working hand in hand with groups like this is essential to pushing progress outside the
department's own schools. we're working together to make moving easier on kids. one way is by creating a military dependent student identifier which let's parents educators, and schools track performance, funnel resources and make smart policy decisions on behalf of our military children over their entire educational careers. if we know how particular groups of kids are performing we can better target resources to maximize their success. dod firmly supports creating the identifier and we greatly, greatly appreciate msec's ironclad support. thank you. we're also working to extend our reach in creative ways. case in point is our competitive educational partnership grant program where funds go towards local schools with a 15% or more number of military kids
enrolled. those funds recently paid for s.t.e.m. partnership that helped pore than 10,000 high school students earn a.p. exam scores that qualified them for college credit. that's an incredible return on investment. i'm proud to say that this year's round of funding totals $52 million. and i want to thank you once again for your continued support for this program. let me just make clear that we're also open to new ideas. i've shared with you some of the ideas we have but we're looking for more. i hope all of you will think of us as a partner and a resource as you tackle these challenges in your districts and your neighborhoods. i want to close with a story about a visit i made to ukota air base in japan this past april during the month of the
military child. i had a chance to spend some quality time with military families and kids and, of course it's the best -- for me the best part of this job, hands down. i met some 5-year-old students who were making bird feeders in a craft class. in my day, i remember we made ashtray ashtrays. you can believe that. goes to show how priorities and times have changed. to boost our military children's potential, we have to change, too. our security demands it. the force of the future demands it. and the flexible thorough, support of our military families and kids demands it. together we can meet that demand. i can tell you that our military children are resourceful and resilient. i can tell you they're courageous and compassionate. and i can tell you that they're proud of their parents and proud to serve alongside them. but instead i'm going to let a
military child tell you in her own words. msec publiced a poem by katie sixth grader who comes to school at an air force base in mexico. her poem is entitled" military girl." i'm going to recite a few lines. quote, i am not in the rank of command. orders, i do not get. but my dad is the one who does, this i cannot forget. i am not the one who fires the weapon, who puts my life on the line, but my job is just as tough. i'm the one who left friends behind. my dad makes the sacrifice my dad works to keep this country free. but so do my mom brother, sister, and me. even though i might get a little wild, i stand with the rank known as military child. that poet, katie is one of
nearly 2 million military children whose parents serve among our active duty guard and reserves. that's the scope of our education challenge and our opportunity. marguerite katie, thousands of kids like them give us a glimpse of the grit and the wisdom our military children have and need to make their lives work. our mission is to have their back, to cheer them on, to make sure their stories are success stories, happy story and stories of fulfilled lives. because the brave men and women who defend our freedoms and risk their lives all over the world deserve the peace of mind that comes with knowing their families are being taken care of back home. thank you for all you do to promote that.
>> thank you so much. s sds ss sds mpg flg taushsded rautded mplg rnl risd 9sds rnlg a 20 6r7g9sd mplg rpsz sds mplg >> he's got it. he knows what he's doing. sir, on behalf of the military child education coalition, thank you for making their story your mission so thank you all so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you.
>> so amazing. oh, thank you. it's really great. we're so privileged to have the opportunities that we have to have wonderful people. already had a great morning. so have y'all had a great morning? can you say that in a texas accent? have you all had a great morning? yes. yes. so now here's a texas word that's a real world -- >> we'll leave the conference at this point. if you missed any of it you can see it in its entirety at our website cspan.org.
>> we had a great morning. i know we're a little off schedule. >> this weekend on the c-span networks politics, book and american history. saturday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span "netroots nation" hosts a discussion on illegal immigrants and enforcement of arizona's immigration laws. sunday evening at 6:30 new jersey governor and republican presidential candidate chris christie on national security. he speaks at the university of new hampshire at manchester. on c-span2 saturday night at 10:00 eastern on book tv's "afterwords," michael tanner talks about the growing national debt and looks at restructuring entitlement programs as solution. and sunday after at 3:00, glen beck presents his thoughts on islamic extremism. and on american history tv on c-span3 sunday morning at 10:00 eastern we commemorate the 50th anniversary of lyndon johnson's signing of the 1965 voting rights act. our coverage includes white house phone conversations between johnson and his aides.
dr. martin luther king jr. and congressional members about strategy on how to enact and enforce the law. and lbj's 1965 speech at the u.s. capitol and the signing of the bill. also this weekend saturday night at 7:10 university of california at berkeley history professor brian delay looks at the history of gun production in europe and how arms trading contributed to an american victory during the revolution. get our complete schedule at cspan.org. the republican presidential candidates are in manchester new hampshire, for the first presidential forum on monday at 6:00 p.m. eastern and c-span's "road to the white house" is providing live coverage of the two-hour forum on c-span, c-span radio, and cspan.org. the new hampshire union leader along with media organizations from the early caucus and primary states are sponsoring this forum. and following the live forum you can provide your input by joining our kl call-in program
or adding your comments on facebook and twitter. "road to the white house" 2016 on c-span, c-span radio, and cspan.org. c-span.org. federal communications chair tom wheeler and commissioner talk about rural access to broad band and over the top video services. testified earlier this week for a house oversight hearing for the fcc. we'll call to order the subcommittee on communications and technology, and i want to welcome everyone here today, and wish you very good morning to chairman wheeler and commissioner pi glad to have you back before the subcommittee again this year. we appreciate the work you're doing at the fcc, and look
forward to your testimony and our opportunities to pursue some issues. at the risk of sounding a bit like a broken record however, i skont to be concerned with the commission's failure to adhere sound regulatory process. for the nearly five years that i've had the opportunity to chair this subcommittee i've consistently pushed to make the fcc a better, more transparent agency, and yet it seems like the deepens over type. i hoped we reach the bottom of the well that the commission would find back to the honest policy debates and compromises that have caseworkized it since 1934. unfortunately, that appears not to be the case. and if commissioner pie's testimony indication things may be getting worse at the commission, and that's disappointing to say the least. with all that's going on at the commission and in the world of
communications, we have much ground to cover in today's hearing which likely with need questioning. let me highlight five years of policy concern that i and other members of this committee have. first, the auction. for a successful auction, we know that the sellers and buyers need to fully understand and support the rules yet when it comes to the plan, questions and uncertainty still abound. growing concern regarding how the repack will work including as it relates to the future of low-powered television stations and translaters. now it was never our intent that these diverse voices would get fully silenced. then there are the issues of potential interference which have come up, which as we all know, when mishandled can doom an auction as has occurred in the past. second, the fcc's action on the designated entity issue raises concerns for many of us, while the fcc majority claims that it'll strengthen the integrity of the program that we all
share, sadly i'm afraid they replace one set of rules that were gamed with a new set, yet to be gamed. commissions new rules remove the obligation to provide facilities based service and permit leasing of 100% of the spectrum purchase. now that sets the stage for sophisticated spectrum financed by tax payer dollars to participate in the next auction and bringing nothing to the competitive market. chairman's advocacy for this outcome is puzzling given the assurances that the changes would protect the program from slick lawyers taking advantage of loopholes in the program to adjust their clientele. third, telephone consumer protection act. my colleague from new mexico and i have had serious bipartisan discussions about the approach the fcc has taken as it relates to the democracy in america and practical communications in a wireless age. beyond that, members are just beginning to hear from adversely affected users about the
disruption that this new rule willing have a variety of companies and the consumers they try to serve. the expansion of the lifeline program. all one has to do is read today's story in politico regarding the problems at the utility service to understand why it's so essential before any agency moves to spend money and should have tight control and a budget. unfortunately for rate payers in a partyline vote they decided to rush forward to expand the lifeline program into broad band with low reform and no limit on the spending. fifth, this world of controversy that continues to surround the actions the commission takes, let us not lose sight of what is not getting done. for example, the am ret vitallization committee, grinding to a halt, despite the assurances to the subcommittee. the properties continues to languish in open violation of the commissions legal
obligation. let me close with this, each member of the commission's very bright, talented, and thoroughly passionate. yet, as ed by recent public comments and the testimony today, it clear they believe the process of the fcc fails to include them in a meaningful and substantive way. we hear similar complaint who feel ignored or shutout together. this is necessary nor helpful as the commission and all of us in congress try to work through the complicated issues in today's rapidly involving communications world. on a final note, the good news side of things at least if you have the background i have, i am pleased to note that taet today announced that they are -- at&t today announced that they are allowing fm chips in cell phones. making at least the second carrier to do so. and we hope that other carriers will follow suit. with that i have used up my time and turn to the gentle lady
from california. >> thank you mr. chairman, and good morning chairman wheeler, commissioner pie, welcome back to the committee, we're happy to see you. and we as i said we welcome you back. today's hearing marks the chairman's third appearance before our subcommittee in just over four months. in fact, the congressional research service tells me that the chairman's eight appearances before congress this year marks a new record. so congratulations, mr. chairman. put that one up on your wall. in the past 14 years in the past 14 years, no fcc chair has testified more times before congress in a single calendar year, and of course we're only in the seventh month of 2015. it is our subcommittee's responsibility to conduct robust oversight and in so doing, we should hear regularly from the chairman and his fellow
commissioners. responsible oversight includes recognition that the fcc, and i think that we should be doing this. i mean, there are many things to raise that are legitimate, at least in the minds of those that raise them. but we should include a recognition that the fcc has undertaken an unprecedented series of steps to promote competition, enhance public safety, and ensure that consumers are protected against deceptive or misleading billing practices. here are a few highlights the commissions work over the past year. modernize the e rate program to increase the presence of wi-fi in classrooms and bolster higher capacity internet connections to the anchor institutions in our communities across the country. our schools and our libraries. raise the record 44.9 billion, with a b, dollars from the aws3 auction, repealed the aoutdated and anticonsumer sports blackout
rules which for four decades, 40 years, prevented fans from watching games on television when they were not sold out. i think there are a lot of people in the country that are really thrilled about that. launched a new consumer health center to streamline the complaint process and improve how consumers interact with the fcc. at this point, mr. chairman, i'd like to ask you to place into the record a really terrific article from forbes entitled "how the fcc saved me $1800." if you haven't, everyone should. >> thank you. >> freed up 150 megahertz in the 3.5 gig ga hertz from broad band accuracy rules for wireless calls made to 911. that could be a life-saving step right there. adopted bright line rules that
prevent broad band providers from engaging in blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization levied $100 million fine against a major telecommunications provider for misleading about the unlimited dad that plans, preempted state laws in tennessee and north carolina that prevented local communities from deploying broad band which they want to do across the country. all of this and more in just one year. and there's much more ahead as the fcc prepares to undertake the world's first voluntary incentive auction in a technology transition to an all ip world that preserves the core values of competition public safety, and consumer protection. so i thank both the chairman and the commissioner for your continuing commission to a modern telecommunications marketplace marketplace, and i yield to the gentleman from vermont, mr. welch. >> thank you very much welcome
chairman and commissioner we appreciate the work you're doing. just a couple of points. i'm very encouraged by the tech transitions progress that you've been making, that is going to be very helpful to many more businesses that need efficiencies and helpful to consumers. i hope you don't stop there, one of my main concerns i know, concern of many is to have competition as much as possible in this area. we really do believe that that leads to innovation. and better prices through the consumers. so, the special access issues continue to be of top concern to me. and then, finally, i'd like to just remind you of the bipartisan working group that mr. alata set up because there'ses so many of us even if we represent urban areas that have rural districts so we want to continue to work with the entire commission to try to make
certain that the rural service is there and will be there and will be the highest quality. thank you very much, and i yield back the balance of my time. >> chairman yields become, gentle lady yields back. from tennessee miss blackburn. >> thank you mr. chairman, i want to the welcome you both, we appreciate that you are here. i will say i disagree with my colleague from california as she talked about tennessee. we saw that as stepping on state's rights, mr. chairman, and you know that you and i disagree on that. i am pleased that you all are here. i know you all saw the report last week and i'm sure you've read the op ed in today's paper by each of your predecessors mr. jen cow sky and mr. mcdowell getting spectrum to the marketplace. as where we need to have our focus. and rather than getting off into
all these issues your focus should be the core of your mission. which is dealing with spectrum deployment, and usage, and when you look at the expected increase in the wireless arena, it draws more attention to this. you know, i was thinking as i was preparing for this hearing whb you go back and look at the industrial revolutions that we have had in this country looking at the agricultural and the industrial neck anization revolutions, when you look at technology, information we are almost at a point of being able to say, there is this wireless revolution that is going on because business transactions health care, so many things are going to depend on the spectrum. and we want to make certain that you are focussed on this. so we welcome you, we know that
we have to be diligent in this, we look at what south korea is already talking about doing south korea and japan and the five g, and recapturing the momentum that at one point they had. and we don't want them to be the world leader, we want to be the world leader and we've got to have you work with us on this. i yield my time. >> i thank the gentle lady for yielding i want to thank chairman wheeler and commissioner pai, i look forward to your statements and also to our questions today. the communications and technology industry is a very productive and dynamic sector of our economy. this is largely due to bright innovative minds, and in part because the industry is lightly regulated with the ability to grow and evolve to the demands of the consumers.
therefore we can't afford to overlook the significance of the policies and the decisions in industry success. this is why i'm concerned with many of the actions proposed in emerging the fcc and the general lack of transparency of the agency. i hope today's hearing will provide us with an opportunity to discuss in more detail the commission's policies, processes, and i thank the general lady for yielding, i yield back. >> yield back my time. >> chair recognized gentleman from new jersey. hi. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you chairman wheeler and commissioner pai for coming back today. its been a few months since you testified before the subcommittee. i appreciate the update. i'm particularly grateful for this opportunity here from chairman wheeler about how he's addressing the priorities of the democratic members of the subcommittee, many are shared by our republican colleagues. members are improving universal
access from broadband and the underserved rural area was our country, also tireless advocates for the rights of residents of our vast triable lands and those living on triable lands are on the wrong side of the digital divide. i hope to hear how we can help efforts to improve deployment to these areas with the exhibition alone are not enough. members have also been devoted to improving communications. this is especially meaningful for those impacted by disasters by hurricane sandy, we believe everyone should be able to call for help in an emergency and i hope we hear more about what the commission is doing to make our vision a reality. we also share the commission to competition. that's why we led the charge to overhaul the fcc's designate the program. under the new rules that the fcc recently developed, it encouraging robust communication from small businesses while allowing business models more in
line with today's dynamic market. we've also stood with the ranking member to free up more spectrum for unlicensed use. these air waves can lower to entry and allow for vigorous competition. finally i hope to learn more about what the commission can do to support our work and protect consumers. for instance i know several members have been focussed on the fcc's recent actions to address robocalls. we agree more needs to be done to crack down on unwanted commercial calls and i hope to hear what the commission can do to address the issues members have raised. i'd like to yield one minute each of the time well i guess a minute and a half to mr. doyle and to miss mansui. >> thank you for yielding. thank you mr. chairman for holding this hearing and commissioner wheeler and commissioner pai, thank you both for being here today. mr. chairman, i'd like to recognize the accomplishments of the commission and this
chairman. since tom wheeler took over the fcc has done much to advance our nation's telecommunications agenda from establishing the open internet order to keeping the incentive action on track updating the lifeline program and deep fines to telecommunications companies that have used consumers. also for advancing the pro competitive agenda, both in wireline and wireless service. the commission's upcoming vote on tech transitions, its action on special access, and the establishment of the spectrum reserve in the incentive auction are all important steps towards preserving and promoting competition, mr. chairman, keep up the good work, thank you, and i'll yield to our colleague. >> thank you very much for yielding to me. welcome back chairman wheeler and commissioner pai, it's great to see you again. i know you have a busy agenda and i want to briefly highlight two priorities we're interested in. the first is making more
spectrum available. spectrum our nation's invisible infrastructure of the 21st century. it's critical to keep our economy growing we need to talk about how to fit more spectrum into the pipeline so we can continue to meet the command. the congressman and i have a bipartisan bill to create new incentives for federal users, we need to continue to explore these solutions. the second is making broadband access more affordable. millions are still on the wrong side of the digital divide. the lifeline program can and should help these americans get and stay connected. i know the fcc has started work on these very important reforms but we need to finish the job. i look forward to working with the whole commission as we talk about these matters, and hopefully make progress on this. and i yield back the balance of my time thank you. >> gentle lady yields back, gentleman yields back i think all time is expired. now we'll go to two
distinguished witnesses chairman, mr. wheeler, delighted to have you back. apparently we were really delighted because we have you a lot, that's a good thing. we welcome you and commissioner pai, mr. wheeler, why don't you go ahead and lead off. it's a modern technology. >> the national champion of appearances before, but i -- >> we could arraign that. >> i wouldn't want to move down that route. but in the ten weeks, in all seriousness, in the ten weeks since i was last before this committee, there's been a lot happening. and i look forward to discussing it with you today. we've made significant progress to begin the incentive auction on march 29th. eight months from tomorrow. >> wow. >> so, there's a lot of pressure
on here. we have continued to grapple with the tech transitions as you said were raised by the movement from analog to ip networks, and we approved one merger with conditions, another was withdrawn and the new one was added. then of course on top of that, the appeal's court stayed, or denied the request for a stay for the open internet rules. but one issue which frankly caught me by surprise, was that which was raised by a letter signed by every member of this subcommittee having to do with local member portability. and i wanted to report directly to you on that. our rules require that reportability be ubiquitous, but it looks as though the manner in which the industry has set up the system does not fulfill that requirement. i appreciate this committee bringing this to our attention. implementation of the rule
apparently requires that a mobile carrier have a presence in the home market of the ported phone number before the transition can occur. and this is a course that's not possible for smaller, regional carriers. so the effect is if i were to move from washington to a market served by a carrier not in washington teen choose that carrier in a competitive choice process, i couldn't work my number. that's contrary to our rules, and i've asked that it be fixed. yesterday, i wrote the four major carriers as well as their trade associations asking that they identify a solution and report back within 60 days. i believe the carriers are in the best position to fix this. and i look forward to their response. but i do want to say to this committee, after raising this issue in unanimity that if this
approach doesn't fix it with dispatch, we'll have to find other approaches to do, but i really appreciate the way that this committee called that to our attention because we had not seen that previously. oh, and another matter frequently raised by the committee, i'm pleased to report that the fcc has completed an exchange letters with the agency of mexico. ift, to harmonize tv and wireless spectrum on both sides of the border. mexico is in the midst of its dtv transition and we're heading into an incentive auction and relocation of broadcast and mobile licenses. where on the spectrum mexico places its dtd license, therefore affect us and our u.s. licenses. and where we place our licenses is good, effect them. thanks to the hard work of the task force and the good faith
negotiations of the mexican ift, this major hurdle has been volted. and i wanted thank my counterpart in mexico and his commissioners for their leadership on this matter. to the north, we have been making similarly productive progress with our friends, the canadians. i believe that once we have a decision next week, instead of auction procedures that we'll be able to conclude that coordination as well. finally, we've had frequent discussions about the open internet rule now that the dc circuit has put it on an expedited track for judicial review, we're only six months or so away from that ruling, which i know we all have been waiting for. >> thank you mr. chairman i look forward to discussing these. >> thank you chairman.
appreciate the update. commissioner pai gladded to have you before the -- glad to have you before the subcommittee again. >> thank you mr. chairman, members of the subcommittee thank you for inviting me to testify. this hearing comes at a critical time, the fcc is making judgments that'll shape the communication's landscape for years to come. i'll start with the broadcast incentive auction. the fcc is empowered because of your bipartisan efforts. therefore disappointing that this proceeding has been run in a partisan manner. timing it again, mike o'reilly and i have offered common sense ideas for rules and procedures. often, we received no response at all. when we do receive a response, almost always no. fortunately, it isn't too late to change course. broadcasters, wireless carriers, and unlicensed a vo cats agree that the commission's current ban plan is flawed. i stand ready to work with the stake holders and fellow
commissioners to do what congress did when they passed the legislation. compromise top find a consensus resolution. here specifically is what we should focus on. proposed ban plan allows for variability and would put too much broadcast stations in the wireless portion of the 600 meg hertz band. this will be sort in option and cause interference between broadcast and internet services. in my view, the commission should try to minimize variability. if it must be placed in the ban, it should go in the uplane spectrum not the down lane. in order to reach a compromise, we need to make more information public. right now stake holders and commissioners alike are being asked to take on faith that unless we adopt every aspect of the proposals, the incentive laux end in apocket liptic failure. i prefer the other trust, but
verify. next, the fcc's designated entity or de program, which has been plagued with abuse. it's supposed to help small businesses large corporations routinely try to game the system. that's why i was disappointed when the fcc recently voted to make it easier for big companies to profit from the program. we were promised fcc action to close loopholes exploited by slick lawyers, instead the commission reopened loopholes that it closed on a bipartisan basis years ago. loopholes through what a competent attorney could drive a truck. specifically the fcc paved the away for de's to obtain a discount on the spectrum and turn around and immediately release 100% of it to a large incumbent carrier. now at the time we were told that opening up new loopholes in the de rules was a quote attack on economic equality. this assertion is baffling. let's be clear, those who will
profit from these new loopholes are speculators, who are already firmly ab skonsed. donald trump would be allowed to own most of a de, get a discount on spectrum and release all of that spectrum to at&t and verizon. so during the commission's deliberations, i made simple proposals to prevent this abuse. anyone making over $55 million a year should be prohibited from owning a de and getting tax payer-funded benefits, unfortunately the majority rejected this and other common sense reforms. shifting gears, when it comes to broadbands, too much rural areas are being left behind. specifically, we are failing areas served by small telecommunications carriers. that's because of a quirk. our rules governing the carriers give service support only to those offering telephone
service, not broadband service. that's why earlier this month, a specific plan was to correct. my plan was based on principled by 115 members of the house of representatives led by congressman kevin kramer. this group usualed the fcc to adopt an immediate targeted solution to the stand alone broad band problem. and to omit a simpler and strict forward plan for rate of return carriers than adopted for carriers. i humbly submit that's exactly what my plan does. it implements a single page of rule changes to existing regulations to solve the stand alone broadband problem. these amendments would let rural consumers choose broadband has a stand alone service. it would give carriers the assurance they need to determine employment. critically, do all of this within the existing budget. chairman walden, members of the committee, thank you once again for inviting know testify. look forward to answering questions and continuing to work
with you and your staff in the time to come. >> thank you commissioner pai, we appreciate your testimony as well. chairman wheel earl, as you know, lptb and translaters play a role in providing programming to consumers and businesses, and especially when it comes to the translators serving difficult to reach terrain and rural communities. what do you plan to do to minimize the impacts of repacking on lptb and help ensure that their important programming continues to reach viewers? >> thank you, mr. chairman. we share your, your interest in making sure that this voice continues. as you know, the spectrum registration does not create a repacking role, a role in repacking for translaters. the question becomes, what do you do about it? here's what we're going to do. one, there are channels, we're
going to help them find channels if they get displaced is a part of the option. >> okay. >> one of the things that is the reality of an auction you don't really know where the displacement is going to happen because you don't know the outcome of the auction. so so step one is we will work to do that. step two is that we'll begin a rule making that will allow for channel sharing by all stations. just as we're continuing on -- counting on them sharing within the broadcasting option. and that kind of technology should provide of a similar kind of solution. and thirdly, the rule is constructed in such a way that they don't have to vacant until the wireless carrier in fact is ready to turn up service. so there is a significant buffer of time in there, but we believe that as we help them find new channels and as we have a new rule to allow for channel
sharing that'll mitigate the impact. >> aren't you also going to give them like in the dtv transition, there was an opportunity to apply, they got some preference to move. in the application process. i'll get -- >> let me get back to you. >> it was the displacement. >> so there is -- we're laying out a whole pros that will help them -- process that will help them through this process in finding those new channels. >> all right. thank you. i want to talk about some of the financial issues because you've spoken about them eloquently before the appropriations committee and publicly. and i know that you address field agents during the recent agenda meeting.
and i want to ask, commissioner pai, is it true that the enment bureau's front office and management staff has more than doubled size since 2008? >> that's my understanding, yes. >> is that true mr. wheeler. >> no, sir. >> it's not? >> no, sir. the enforcement staff is now, i can give you the exact statistic, 20% smaller than it was under chairman martin, and that since i have come into office, we have reduced the front office staff by 14%. >> okay. we'll want to follow up obviously there's a disagreement among you two on this matter. isn't it also a fact that then forcement bureau has more vehicles than field agents? >> yes, sir. i'll tell you a story, i went to
anchorage, i've been trying to visit the offices, we have a policy that says you have to have two employees in each vehicle. and because there's one that's driving, and one that's working equipment. it's like texting and driving. and we have two people in the anchorage office and we have two vehicles. >> is that -- but we're talking across. >> oh yeah, and this is one of the problems that we inherited. walking in the door, there had been this purchasing. sop what we're trying to do now is reposition those vehicles so they will be available for the strike teams when they come in. >> and what about and we keep hearing stories that you all have cars and drivers and all that sort of thing the commission, is that true? actually, i don't know about you, i don't have a car and driver other than my little prius out there. >> it's true although i do try
to walk whenever i can. >> it shows. all right. >> i've got a fitbit. >> my time's run out. turn to the gentle lady from california. >> thank you. i want to start with chairman wheeler. i just to want ask my questions and then you can respond to them, and i have one for commissioner pai. you stated you said in your opening statements that the upcoming incentive auction has put more moving parts than a swiss watch. and i agree. and one example is the reserve trigger. which i think is really very very important. and it's critical that we get it right. because we want to ensure that competitive providers have real access to spectrum. can you commit to addressing the concerns prior to the start of the auction? that's my first question. my second question is, some in
the medical community have suggested that the fcc delay implementation or consideration of its technical rules for the use of channel 37 by unlicensed tv white space devices. now delay is i think highly concerning because this is one of the three channels that tech companies say are at a minimum needed in this band to stimulate and sustain investment in enhanced wi-fi. so do you think that your proposal adequately protects patients and prevent harmful interference to hospitals? i think that, you know, those are, i could ask a lot of questions, but i think that those two are really important. and this year, there have been eight broadcast television blackouts involving almost 30 u.s. cities.
can you tell us when the fcc will complete its review of the good faith rules and when we can expect new rules to be put in place to better protect consumers. those are my questions to you. and a quick one to commissioner pai. i read recently, and he's not here, but something that commissioner o'reilly said and it's a quote of his, but it does deal wl fcc's governing principles. and
first, and then to commissioner pai. >> thank you. let me see if i can get those one, two, three. >> reserve, trigger, channel 37, interference, and the blackouts. >> what we have tried to do is to make sure that there is reserve spectrum available. it's never before done. mr. welch and others have pointed out it's an important component of delivering service to rural areas. the question then becomes after you do that, do you want to create rules that allow people to withdraw from the auction early, and not have to pay as much as if an auction had beengoing? and that's what is being
requested. that is not what is currently in our post. that we don't think that there should be a quick out, i've got what i want, and stop the bidding right now for reserve spectrum. sendfully so far as your channel 37 and medical devices we have changed, in our upcoming order we have changed from 180 meters to 380 meters, the distance that the licensed device would be allowed close to these facilities. using channel 37. and that number was arrived at as a result of some studies that were done by the folks.
there's a fail safety there. as you know, all unlinesed spectrum -- unlicensed spectrum has to go through a coordination process that involves a data base where you, where you get permission to use it if you will by knowing that there's nobody there. if that 380 meters is insufficient in a particular area because of some rare equipment they've got or whatever, that data base can be adjusted to say nope you can't do it. i think what we have done in regards to medical equipment subpoena two-fold. one to expand the absolute blackout area, and two, then to have in there a flexible system that will reflect what reality is and shut down if there is a situation that would cause interference. in regard to your third question regarding tv blackouts and good faith negotiations, we attend to have an nprm out by september 4th as this committee has told us to do on that topic
and to be discussing exactly what are the full set of issues that should be involved in good faith. >> thank you, congressman for the question. i embrace the fcc's charge as given by congress. the first charge which is to make available so far as possible to all the people in the united states, rapid, efficient, nationwide communications services. and in the digital age that increasingly you know, means broadband. that i believe not only because i'm a son of rural america whose parents love on the opposite side of the digital divide, i've seen it as a commissioner. a few weeks ago, i was in nebraska, population 287, i visited cnc processing husband and wife meat processing plant it was literally two-person operation, and now, thanks to a broadband correction, they export to every state in the country and around the world. they export wholesale to whole foods --
>> you disagree -- >> what i'm saying i embrace the different policies to make sure broadband is as wide and deep as possible. i'll leave the semantics for others. >> thank you. thank you very much, thank you, mr. chairman. >> chair now recognizes the gentle lady from tennessee, miss blackburn. >> thank you, mr. chairman. okay. commissioner wheeler, i want to thank you for your letter dealing with the spectrum auction and small businesses we got it yesterday and i may come back to you with a couple more questions on that. you know my concern and i appreciate your responses. all right. i think we can all agree that we are for a successful spectrum auction. everybody agree for that? >> yes. >> okay. i'm so happy we're all on the same page. make your day, right? let's talk about the steps, and commissioner you were just laying out some of the steps you
thought were necessary. let's back it up a little bit. and i think when you look at ctia report that came out, mr. chairman, i think we i want to submit that for the record if no one has put that in the record. >> without objection. >> okay. i think that the prelude to a successful auction and to the steps that you just articulated, is to know how much spectrum that you have. and we know federal agencies are squatting on a lot of spectrum. and that they are not utilizing it. they are sitting on it just in case they think they might want to do something with it. and when you look at 13 years of between the auction and the deployment, that is a lot of time. and you look at the increased
usage that we're expecting i think that it is dangerous to, first of all not inventory and know exactly what you've got. and sew, mr. chairman to you, have you inventoried the federal agencies, and do you know how much spectrum they're squatting on and what you can recoup? >> first off miss blackburn i'd like to identify with exactly what you're talking about. >> okay. i'm so excited that we agree on something. this is a good day. >> violent agreement as well. >> good, good. >> when i was president of ctia. i was the guy that negotiated the first deal with the government to repurpose defense department spectrums. here's what i found as a way of answering your question about squatting. the core of engineers, for instance, said they were fully utilizing a piece of spectrum because once a month it took a
reading on a dam level. i don't think that's fully utilized. so the question we have to work through is how did you encourage federal agencies and all users to think in terms of what is full application? the answer is we -- to your question, we know who uses what spectrum. the specific use inside that spectrum, however -- >> okay. >> something that the licensee controls. >> okay. i want to run out of time. now, if you know who has how much spectrum have you put this into one are report mr. pai commissioner pai, have you seen a report that says this is how much is out there? could you quantify a number. >> i have a particular report about how they're using the supply -- >> and how much they have. >> it would be helpful.
>> i think it would too before we get too far down this road. what i would like to ask you to do is quantify this. and you and i know, all of us know, the way you can repack this and tighten it up, you can better utilize the spectrum. but these federal agency -- i have to tell you we done an ig report on wasteful spending and not following what the ig has asked them to do. looking at four years of i do reports. if you don't force a issue, they're not going the take the action. and spectrum system a very valuable commodity right now. and question not allow federal agencies through laziness or lack of creativity to squat on this spectrum. before we get too far afield with the 350 mega hertz auction and further, i'd like for you to come back and say, each of these
different departments has. and this is what their utilization is. and this is how we can pull that back and redeploy this into the marketplace and auction it. because if we need a federal override, come back and do something leek that. don't let them squat on this spectrum. mr. pai, my time has run out. ly come back for the second -- i will come back for the second round. >> gentlemen ladies time's retired. we'll go to mr. palone. >> respond quickly if you can. you committed that the fcc would complete a proceeding by the end of this year to make our wireless networks more resilient. this deals with communications and emergencies. and i wanted to thank you again
for that commitment. last year the tower would work closely with your staff to install new rules for network resiliency. we're approaching the heart of hurricane season and the third anniversary of sandy is almost upon us, what is the status of the fcc's proceeding on network resiliency. >> so we are working with the industry on that. it is essential that a tower be able to stand up. we have to address the backup power issue. if the power is standing, but there's no juice to it, it's not worth anything. its all fit together in a total package and i'd be happy for a more detailed response on that if you would like. >> okay. . you do have something to update with us now through the chairman, i would like to have a good response if we could. without objection. >> all right. thank you. and the second question is with regard to designated ent sis, in
my open statement, should i support your recent decision to mod fit designated entity rules. since they have passed i've heard criticism. how do you respond to the critics that question these decisions? and i think we have tightened up the rules spanlly, and will be happy to discuss in which ways we have done that. but if you if you look at what is currently on the record with regard to the des and their relationship with dish in the auction, we use a totality of circumstances as a test that had never been applied before to say
we don't think that that's a good idea at a staff level. that's coming to the commission. again, i have to grill on that's where i won't go any furlt. . fact of the matter is we took the totality of the circumstances and put it into the d derkse rules in the rewrite. i think we have shown there is a total picture we have to look at. one and two that wave whatever it takes to step up and blow the kwhis whistle and say, that's not right. >> okay. with regard to the incentive auction in the early part of next year, i become concerned about whether consumers will be prepared for the transition in many ways the education effort will be ian more difficult and the one we face with a tv transition, because we don't have sooner outreach at this
time and wooem deal with a flash cut. they committed to working with us to start to plan out how to reach out. my question se can you commission to working with us and the broadcasters to devise a comprehensive plan will know what they need to do to continue watch over the area. >> yes, sir. >> okay. are you actually answering all this in four minutes. i'll yield back the chairman of my time. from texas. >> thank you mr. chairman. thank you and ranking member for this hearing. spectrum with the main line broadcasters give it back, but
they do have a product they have provided valuable service to the country, and i'd like to see them help in some way if at all possible, so my question to both of you, let's start with the chairman and then commissioner pai what can be done to ensure that we still have low powered television twhuns repackaging is complete? >> thank you, mr. barton. low power is important in the community as well. i set up a special meeting with low power operators at the nab last year, big con vengvention to make sure i was hearing from them and we were talking about it. i think there are multiple things that we can do inside the statutory constraint that you
referenced. one is we will help them find new channels after the moving. first of all we don't know which power is in effect because we don't know what's going to happen in the auction. we don't know what's going to happen. we all have to kind of sit in limbo and watch for that. but then even beyond that we are going to begin a ruling from which we will allow low power and translaters to share a channel, just like we're allowing licensees broadcast licensees to share a channel. and that will create, that will take advantage of the benefits of digital and create another path -- >> so you do see that there will still be a role for low-powered television? >> yes, sir. commissioner pai. >> i chair the assessment that it provides valuable service.
that's why i flagged the importance of stepping towards constraints, the fcc does what it can in context of the auction. but to help them stay in business. my concern is however certain of the policy cuts we are on the brink of making, i might end up impairing lbtd. if there's a vacant channel or two available, after the auction, then we'll reserve those for license uses to den dwrat the importance of a license. this is the tv ban that we're talking about. and ltbd stations don't have a place to go, seems to me we should do what we can to prioritize the business. >> thank you both of you. with that i yield back. >> chair now recognizes the gentle lady from california for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. >> i am just going by the list that your staff -- >> i was here well before. >> i'll give my two minutes.
>> i had a minute 55. >> i'm going by the list your staff provided. >> i don't want to get in the middle of this. >> if mr. doyle will vote i'll put -- >> i'm going to yield. >> okay. >> i'll go with i'm just going by your list. go ahead. >> thank you very much. and mr. doyle thank you very much too. chairman wheeler, after next year's incentive auction, the fcc would have implemented the last auction congress identified in the 2012 discretion act. yet, consumer demand for services relying on it continues to explode. we know it takes a long time to plan for any new spectrum auction. mr. chairman, do you agree that we need to create a spectrum pipeline for the next decade? >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. now what do you think are the first steps for the
policy-makers to consider? >> well i think that you and mr. guthrie have pointed a way towards that by providing some congressional oversight and encouragement in the process. the, as miss blackburn indicated, clearly the fcc has a role to say where are the current allocation. but it then goes to the executive branch to determine the allocation within the specific executive agencies and to answer those questions. i would look forward to working with, and we do have a good working relationship with ntia and to try and address these issues. and i think that this is something that both ntia and the fcc can work together on, but i also need to be really candid and say the leadership that this committee has shown in keeping the spotlight on and keeping the
pressure on is essential to paying attention to things downtown. >> well we intend to keep the spotlight on so thank you. congress has the fcc of balancing priorities incentive auction, unleashing spectrum for broadband. protecting kplur access to local broadcasting and creating new opportunities for unlicensed spectrum use. if done right the fcc can assure that the incentive auction clears the significant amount of spectrum needed to fuel our wireless economy while protecting over the air broadcasting and preserving the chance for innovation. i know a lot of concerns have been raised and that the fcc scheduled to make some key decisions at your august meeting. chairman wheeler what is the fcc doing to make sure stake holders can feel confident in the incentive auction? >> thank you congresswoman. you know, the challenge of the incentive auction is like a very
complex puzzle, except for the fact there's no picture on the front of the box. >> yeah. >> so what we have been trying to do is to make sure that of all the parties interested that they can walk away with a, a solution. it may not be what they have come in and asked for, as a person who used to also go in and ask the fcc to do things my way on spectrum auctions, it doesn't always have to be that way, but you need to make sure, that for instance, as we discussed for medical devices that you have an answer there. answer for wireless mics unlicensed speck tlum and all of -- spectrum and all of these have to balance out. and i believe that the item we're bringing forward contains that kind of balance. would i like to tweak it here or there? certainly, but you push here and
something busts over here. and so i think that the spectrum auction team headed by gary and howard have done an excellent job in wade egg through all of -- wading through all of this. >> i'm going to ask are we on track to see them successfully completed next year in a way that preserves the goals that congress intended? >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. i am a long-time advocate for lifeline program, broadband is a in relationty whether it's applying for a job, growing a small business or parents helping their kids with homework, and i applaud the fc cross-examination for bringing lifeline to the 21st century. mr. chairman, what are the next steps for lifeline reform? >> i hope that we will have rule-making to follow up on those as soon as comments and
rely comments are closed and we can sift through and move forward. but i think that, and let me address an issue that commissioner pai was dealing with a moment ago. broadband is the information pathway of the 21st century. and to deny access to that is to deny access to the 21st century. >> right. >> and i think we need to have policies that make sure that everyone in america has access to that essential pathway of the 21st century. >> i agree, thank you very much, and i yield back. >> gentle lady's time expired and yields back. now gentleman from ohio. >> thank you very much mr. chairman, and gentlemen, thanks for being here. commissioner pai, i'm going to start with you. we know that consumers are offered an array of video choices today and new internet delivered options are also
complimented by the growing use of apps that watch on tv, mobile devices. as a result, it seems that more online entertainment options such as netflix and others have online internet options, with that said, commissioner, what is your assessment of the video marketplace, and can you remember a time when consumers have had so much choice in that market? >> congressman, thank you for the question. i can't think of a time when consumers ever had it better. having grown up in the era, when i can power up crackle on my device, it's a benefit. that's part of the reason why i came out a couple weeks ago and i said i don't think the fcc needs to regulate over top video, and this is not a marketplace that has failed.
it's thriving and let's leave well enough alone. >> in your opinion, that's what is driving innovation? >> absolutely. that's one of the great things all of the business models are thriving because everybody can deliver these services over the internet. >> should the government be out there picking winners or losers or trying to impose mandates to slow the innovation and limit that choice? >> the worst thing the government could do is to regulate the entire market place or pick out particular business models and that will distort the marketplace, and we will never know which models the consumers would refer. there are large hospital associations in my district and a number of these hospitals expressed a very serious concern to the commission regarding the
technical rules for the use of the channel 37 by unlicensed tv white spaces, and it's decided channel 37 will be available for use, but it also allows the safe for the tv white spaces, devices have a not been agreed upon. do you agree that because wireless devices could cause harmful and jeopardize safety and it's important that all parties have the opportunity to work cooperative to reach a consensus agreement on this before the commission considered it in the august open meeting? >> so i agree that there is a technological challenge that we have to make sure that we deal with, and i believe that we have
a built in suspenders approach to that. the belt is to say that 380 meters from such a site is a no-go zone, which is essentially tripling in where we were before in responses to some of the trials they have run up in minnesota. but the suspenders are also that the database that is the coordination database that must be used for unlicensed purposes if there is a problem in ohio, in a particular area, that information gets fed into the database and that then, becomes a no-fly zone. and so what we have put in place is hard rock and flexibility that is going to deliver the kind of security that i think that both you and we are looking
for. >> do you think they have then enough time to make sure they get that information to the commission before your august meet stphging meeting. do you think there is enough time, because we're on the 27th of july or the 28th and we're right at that point? >> they just submitted to us additional information from these field tests and it was based upon that that we altered what our proposal is. this is not an issue that hasn't been being dealt with since you passed the spectrum act. this is something that has been going on for multiple years. their tests were really helpful in that regard. that's why we tried to make sure that we harmonize with the kinds of things that they have discovered in those tests and provide the flexibility to move in and do something if in fact, there is an aberration.
this is the whole reality about sharing, that we want to create a structure that says that you can deal with the aberrations, and this committee told us in statute to do that and that was a wise decision on your part and we're following through on that. >> thank you, mr. chairman if i may i would like to submit for the record a statement from the american hospital association. >> without objection. >> thank you. >> the chairman recognizes the gentleman from vermont. oh, just kidding. mr. doyle. >> that would have really gone bad. >> mr. chairman, if your goal was to get his attention, you succeeded. >> and we were listening and you
and commissioner riley have all these ideas that are met with no response or no. i want you to know we on the democratic side we're feeling your pain and it's called being in the minority. >> we have been informed by the folks that do the streaming mr. wheeler, if you could pull that microphone closer, in the internet age, they cannot hear you. >> we feel your pain. you are a strong advocate for a tell communications marketplace, and you have been a an advocate. first, i am concerned that the window for moving forward on special accessory form is narrowing particularly with the latest ex latest extension of the comment
window, and the special access data request and when will the stakeholders be able to access the data in order to make fully informed comments for the prouing? >> thank you, mr. doyle. i don't know the specific date. we will announce a specific date and i can't free form it here, and obviously there have been multiple challenges with special access that start with the collection of data and it was thwarted for years and we were finally able to begin collecting that data. insofar as we will make sure that that data is on the record and on the record in a timely manner. and i share your interests in wanting to make sure that we have an opportunity to address the special access question but it needs to be fact based. >> uh-huh. can you give us any idea when you anticipate the commission
taking action on the proceeding? are we talking about -- is it going to be in my lifetime? >> sir, i hope it is while i many a chairman and that that is a shorter period than your lifetime. >> let me ask you another thing. like a lot of people on this committee and our ranking member, mrs. es yao i have concerns about the incentive option. we are working hard to make sure it will enhance competition for wireless broadband and consumers will reap the benefits of lower prices and greater innovation, and what is the commission doing to address the concerns that many of us have about the reserve trigger, particularly in regard to the trigger come into play so late in the auction? >> well, the issue of -- let me be sure which trigger you are talking about. are you triggering the
assignment round issue or are you triggering the -- go ahead. do you want to -- >> no. it's the reserve. >> the question then becomes are you going to cut back on the amount of bidding that goes on for reserve spectrum, and we have taken the position that you should not that first of all the reserve has been created. that in itself is a huge step that there are a lot of people on this committee and on the commission that disagree with. then the question becomes do you want the auction to function through the whole process or do you want to trunkate it for a
trigger, a quicker trigger and it seems what that ends up doing is reducing participation in the auction and probably reduces the prices people will pay because it means here in the reserve, you know, you stop while the bidding keeps going on up here in the unreserved, and i think an auction is something that proceeds to a conclusion not an auction that gets terminated to favor one party or another and so the establishment of the reserve is a huge point. i think now what we should not be doing is picking winners and losers inside that reserve. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. the chairman will recognize the gentle