tv John Mc Cain Newt Gingrich and Nikki Haley Speak at Kemp Leadership Award... CSPAN December 9, 2016 4:48am-5:26am EST
prepare to take office. we've invited two special guest, one of whom i have mentioned already, who have been at the forefront of ideas. ideas that focus on what it means for america to lead, what it means for america to be exceptional and they, themselves, have been extraordinary leaders and continue to be. we would like them to share their thoughts on the challenges that lie ahead for. three wonderful friends of the family, and i would like to start with senator john mcccain you know, graduated from the naval states academy. he was our republican nominee for president 2008 and as of three weeks ago, he's the proud new grandfather of john mccain v
are the adjectives and are always interested in what you have to say especially this time, please welcome newt ging glitch. >> to moderate, it gives me a really great, enjoyable to have who has been with me since i started the foundation in 2009 shortly after dad passed away. michelle -- the president, she was my dad's national security adviser. she's incredibly talented and i can't think anybody better than michelle to guide us in this discussion and i'm thrilled that you all get the opportunity to
hear her. so please welcome. are these microphones working. >> and i spoke to the speaker and he said, it will be amusing. so we'll see if they live up to this. they're coming out of world war ii, starting there, america understood it role to be the leader at the free world. we had a purposeful strategy to that in fc embodied in nsc 68 and it charted a central role for advancing freedom throughout the world and ever since the call
for american leadership has been echoed on both sides of the aisle, from our leaders. however, what constitutes american leadership has often been a matter of dispute. so in particular where to draw the line between advancing our values and principles and advancing what is seen as national interest has been a long-standing debate in foreign policy circles. certainly presidents clinton and bush both argued that spreading american values itself was essential to our interests. and i think one would search in vain by any statements by president barack obama to the contrary. so there was a growing belief in many quarters that trying to promote and advance our values may not be worth the cost in all cases, to advance democracy. it may not be worth the cost in
all case s cases. so where do you come down ott that issue? senator, please. >> first of all, i would like to say thank you. i would like to thank the kemp foundation and kemp family and congratulations to nikki haley for the singular honor and her new position and a very nice suite in the waldorf-astoria in manhattan. by the way, for some reason i was reminded of the story of the two inmates in the chow line in the state prison, one turned to the other and said "the food was a lot better in here when you were governor." [ laughter ] you can't tell that joke in illinois to anybody. [ laughter ] yesterday i saw the president of the united states give one of
the most delusional statements i've ever heard in my many years associated with national security. not only denying the failures of the last eight years but extolling the failures. my friends, look at a map of the world in 2009, look at a map of the world today. you will see al qaeda, you will see bloodshed, you will see millions of refugees, you will see tensions, you will see a total lack of belief and confidence in the united states of america. i would argue this president probably has the greatest challenge since the beginning, since december 8, 1941 when by the way at the wonderful service today down at the memorial they quoted franklin roosevelt and
his statement on the eighth. but, look, what the last eight years have proven is that without american leadership things go bad. when you lead from behind, somebody else tries to lead from the front. there was a person back in the roman times who was an opponent of the eromans who said "they made a desert and called it peace." in aleppo as we speak, my dear friends, they're making a desert and sooner or later the russians and bashar al assad and the iranians and the iranian revolutionary guard, hezbollah, will stop after they've slaughtered five, 10, 20,000
more people and that's the tragedy of all this. finally there was a time when mussolini invaded ethiopia and nobody cared. there was a time when the spanish civil war thanks to hitler and mussolini they installed a fascist government and nobody cared and then there was choke slovakia where nellvilleuttered the words "we won't send our young men to a place they speak a language we don't know." this president will have the biggest challenges in the last 70 years and so far i think you would agree -- and i'll pass off to him -- i'm very pleased with the national security team he seems to be assembling. [ applause ] >> mr. speaker? >> well, let me say first i can't come to the kemp
foundation without not only recognizing joanne and the family but also i think that the appointment of the nomination of dr. ben carson may give us the greatest opportunity since jack kemp to really make a breakthrough in trying to help inner city americans and i think he will do so by standing on jack's shoulders. [ applause ] so there are unique opportunities for millions of americans to break out of the cultural and bureaucratic prisons they're trapped in. first of all, even during world war ii when we were far and away the most powerful country in the world by the end of the war, we
were about 50% of the world's gdp in 1946 because everybody bombed each other. we were the only place this hadn't been bombed. and even then we recognized very severe limitations on power. so we didn't try to take out franco in spain. we didn't try to deal with a wide range -- we were very cautious about the soviets. not that they represented american values but that we were advocating a way of life, we were prepared to defend it, frankly, with far more sophisticati sophistication than anything you could get away with today. if you tried to influence the french and italian elections the way we did in the late 1940s it would be utterly hopeless. it would be in the "washington post" and the "new york times" and wikileaks and there would be congressional hearings and 600 lawyers would point out it was illegal, unconstitutional,
whatever. but we back then did a lot of things in a lot of ways but we had a very real sense of our own limitations. there are parts of the worlds that are hard. i would suggest if you have 400 people shot and 700 people killed in south side chicago in the last year that that is a very hard problem so before we get too certain about the things we'll project, i think we'll -- i come out of a very old-fashioned conservative view that you ought to be cautious about what you do. the thing that is infuriating about obama is that they were quite cheerful about disrupting everything without putting anything in its place. and i think it's very important to understand that. if you're going to undertake a project you need to make sure you're capable of getting it done.
and it's led to a level of chaos whether it's in syria, iraq, somalia, yemen, it's astonishing the united states could have been as fecklessly led as it has been by barack obama and that he and his team could be as out of touch with reality as they are. so my first advice to the new president is be cautious about what you think you know and, frankly, one of the reasons the senator has been very generous in allowing me to work on some things and jim mattis was part of that project, i can't imagine a more sophisticated person than general mattis. he understands the region and the limitations of american power and he understands that so to go back to reagan for just
one second, reagan had a clear sense of hierarchy. one of the reasons he didn't get deeply involved in taking on the iranians even though they were behind the bombing of american marines in lebanon was that wasn't his goal. he had one goal -- the defeat of the soviet union. then the world changed and the soviet union disappeared. we desperately need to really think our strategies in the world and we underestimate how hard it is. let me say briefly. run the list. north korea china, russia, pakistan, iran, and islamic supremacists on a cross-border basis. those six problems, any one of them is hard and the new president is going to face all six simultaneously. that is a very daunting challenge for us as a country.
>> mr. speaker, if i may pick up on something you said a moment ago, the soviet union dissolved 25 years ago this month and it is inspiring to me that we were sitting here in this hall because this hall in 1949 is where the 12 original members of nato met, invited here by president truman and signed that accord. when the soviet union dissolved we americans were of the view that, well, this is a time of change in history. it was extraordinary for all of us and we had looked then at russia as being perhaps no longer counted among the list of our adversaries. but in a sense that didn't last that long since we had putin come to power, since we saw the invasion of georgia and the annexation of crimea and invasions into ukraine and
current activities in syria and in my background a real escalation of russian espionage in europe and the u.s. so he has these perturbations about where we stand with respect to containing russian expansionism and there is a good part of the world -- at least from what i read and the people i talk to -- that are worried that the income u.s. presidents plans to cut deals with putin to their detriment. now i don't believe that, but perceptions buts are important and i am wondering what we should be doing to allay those kinds of concerns and to reaffirm our commitment to nato and to our alliances.
>> well, i don't know that i want to reassure anybody. i don't know what president-elect trump is going to do. i don't think president-elect trump knows what he's going to do. [ laughter ] i don't mean that in a shallow way. this is a very, very smart man. remember, after amassing somewhere between $4 billion and $10 billion he then defeated 16 people for the republican nomination and john and i can both tell you this is not the easiest thing to do. [ laughter ] he defeated the elite news media and hillary clinton simultaneously so to assume this is some casual shallow guy is wrong but he hasn't been through the process of planning. the people he's starting to surround himself with i feel pretty good about. i think nikki haley will be a tremendous ambassador and is a great choice. [ applause
[ applause ] he will be an extraordinary knowledgeable person about the world and the middle east. so i don't think trump is going to use the apprentice model and call putin and say "you're fired." that's not trump, trump is going to call putin and say you're a mensc mensch. i'm a mensch. this last guy was nothing, no wonder you despised him. i'd like to work something out. but remember this is what he said to the chinese by accepting one phone call. but remember if you really want to play competitively i have the bigger economy, the bigger military, the greater capability and so if you want to tell general mattis, gee, we have to crowd the russians for a while, i can do that. and your aircraft carrier will leave the mediterranean because
you can't possibly sustain it now i don't want to say that because we should be able to work together. [ laughter and applause ] but i don't think he's going to ever -- every time i've talked to trump, and i've talked to him a lot in the last two years, he never operates from weakness and i suspect he would like to find a way to have a healthier relationship with putin and obama. frankly, i'd like to find a way to have a healthy relationship than putin and obama. obama tempted -- you don't go to a kgb agent and say "hi, i'm weak and stupid, would you please take advantage of me?" and then be shock that all of his training kicked in and he takes advantage of you because you begged them to do it and he couldn't resist. your turn, john. [ laughter ] >> what do you think about that, mr. chairman? >> tough act to follow.
could i say before i go further, i forgot, two of my role models have been this individual and jack kemp. we had been, as you said, 40 years out in the wilderness in the minority and these are two individuals were probably tprim reasons why to the astonishment of one and all why we became the majority in the united states house of representatives. and jack kemp, when you get a bunch of ego in the room as the republican conference, usually people don't pay much attention. thanks to this institute, it's alive and well today and that's why i'm honored to be here. [ applause ] there's an old line about ignoring the lessons of history and then you are doomed to repeat them.
in the lessons of history when ronald reagan came to office in a clear statement of peace through strength, it wasn't an accident that the same day he was inaugurated the hostages came home from tehran. the message needs to be sent to vladimir putin that that his adventurism and aggression and attempts to divide up ukraine, which he's done, his attempts to overthrow the freely elected government's of the baltic state stat states, frankly, media reports there were attempt to assassinate the prime minister of this little country called month montenegro. putin is acting with wild abandon. my friends, russia is a gas station masquerading as a country. i want to amend that. a mafia-run gas station masquerading as a country. the world's 15th gdp and he's playing his cards in the most
adroit and incredibly clever fashion where he is now the major influence in the middle east which they haven't been since anwar sadat threw him out of egypt in 1973 and there's no doubt what his ambitions are. there was a poll in sweden. 73% of the swedish people believe they ought to join nato because vladimir putin has scared the hell out of them in the arctic. i talk to a group of baltic leaders today. they want to know if they can depend on the united states of america or do i have this to accommodate? these countries were part of the soviet empire and then part of the soviet union for 70 years -- 350 years. so what we need -- and i think -- and i believe that the
people around president-elect trump have that kind of inner strength. it's not just mattis who is our hero, but if he takes petraeus or mitt romney or john bolton, john bolton would shake up the state department in a way that issing on lover due, my dear friends. so general kelly, there's nobody that knows more about our own hemisphere than general kelly. and there's a scourge, called manufactured mexican heroin that's an epidome nick the northeast and midwest of this country and i'm sorry to tell you the distribution point is phoenix, arizona so he is assembling a team that i believe could be listened to, life is full of anecdotes. as you know, president-elect trump during the campaign said he was going to do waterboarding and worse. then just the other day he said
he asked general mattis and general mattis said i can do much better with a pack of cigarettes and a six pack of beer. i hope he took general mattis' word for it and i think he might because it's obvious he respects general mattis. ronald reagan was not interested in conflict but the lessons of history sew you have to show a steadfast strong position which then your potential adversary doesn't want to run the risk. but if your adversary and your adversaries, my best example lately, and i'll stop with this, i still -- honestly it wakes me up, here is two american vessels manned by american sailors put on their knees with their hands clasped behind their neck in the
most gross violation of international law by the iranian s and what does our secretary of state do? he waits until they return and thanks the iranians. my friends, that picture of the american sailors on their knees, that was everywhere all over the middle east and don't think it doesn't have an impact. if these people think we're w k weak. and i think we need to return to the days of old and my role model ronald reagan who won the cold war without firing a shot in the words of margaret thatcher. [ applause [ applause ] >> so i remember jack kemp saying freedom must be won anew by every generation and
certainly the current generation is no exception to that rule. my question is, are we postured to do that? we understand the biggest lesson of pearl harbor to have been to be prepared for surprise. you have to be prepared for surprise and we built an intelligence community around that objective. where are we today if being prepared for surprises for the known unknowns, perhaps, as don rumsfeld would call them, or even the unknown unknowns. do we have sufficient capability? >> december 7, 1941 was a seminal moment because the majority of the people of the united states don't want us involved or engaged with japan or germany and that event galvanized american public opinion. still look at the old clip when franklin delano roosevelt said the hand that held the dagger stabbed us. that united america.
we were not ready. we didn't build ships or train pilots. the pilots that did launch that day, they were meat on the table for the japanese zero. they were outsped, outmaneuvered, outgunned and outpiloted. and i'm very sorry to tell you that because of this crazy thing called sequestration we are cutting into the most important part of our defense capabilities and that's readiness and training. wherever you cut defense budgets, the first thing to go is the operations and the training and the maintenance because that's the easiest. and our service chiefs have said because of sequestration we are putting men and women in uniform at greater risk. is it our job as members of congress and leadership to put
the finest of america at greater risk? of course not. and president-elect trump has told me we are going to rebuild the military and i'm encouraged by that. but there are members of congress, republican and democrats who are simply not aware nor do they realize the urgency and the challenges that america faces in the 21st century. do you agree, newt? >> totally, yeah. this is why we're going to have to have a great national debate. but there's no signal you can send to either the chinese or the russians more powerful than rebuilding the american military. use don't want -- as john knows from his own life, you don't want anything close to parity. you want overwhelming
capabilities so the other side knows they'll lose. you're least likely to have a war if the other side understands they can't win. you're most likely to have a war if the other side thinks there's some clever way they can offset you. that's why this whole concept -- we'll see how it works out when it's a couple months in the budget but we have to reinvest in every aspect of the american defense system i think in order to be back to a position where we are relatively safe in a dangerous world. >> one last question before we conclude. i wonder if you might have some advice that you would like to offer to governor hailey as she prepares for her new job in new york. >> i think she's going to enjoy very much the russian ambassador. he's a really neat guy and you're going to enjoy him. [ laughter ] spending time with him. not to mention the chinese.
i would not bet against the united states of america, my friends, i would not. we are now energy independent, there are some of us in this room that remembers sitting in a gas line for three and four hours because the middle east cut off for gas. we can get natural gas to the ukraine and eastern europe so they won't be didn't on vladimir putin. would you like to be china? some of us have been in china on a day where you can't see one block because of the pollution. do you know for 40 years the chinese had a one-child policy? they have a demographic challenge the likes of chb will be gigantic. see this device here? i have to buy a new goddamn one
every six months. this was not invented in china or europe or any place else. this is a device that is changing the world. it's information, it's knowledge and knowledge and knowledge is power. when i goetz tired of doing the lord's work in the city of satan, i go and meet with the non-commissioned officers. they are the best, there is nobody that can match up to them and i still think if we'll give them the equipment that they need and the train iing, americ pilots are flying less hours per month than chinese and russian pilots today.
i always appreciate newt's thinkings and his ideas. he's one of the people who i've known who thinks not in one years or five years or ten years or many more. a hell of a lot of times he's dead wrong but i do have the greatest appreciation for his intellect and he will go down in history as a leader who really changed the way that the republican party governs. [ applause ] >> off of that semi endorsement from my very, very dear friend who i admire so deeply and who has been the epitome for our generation of public service at every level, let me just say, i co-chaired with george mitchell a reform commission on the u.n. which we concluded was essentially riddled with nepotism and stunningly hard to reform.
so on that cheer thought, i have two -- i've seen you work i know you are a great politician. i know you're listening to them and getting things done. you're going into a place that's not used to having an effective ambassador. you're going to into a place where the normal daily behavi behaviors -- it's like sending trump to the "new york times" or msnbc. the natural bias of the general assembly is tough i had a working model of listen, learn, help and lead. to the degree you allow your natural charm and interests in people to connect with every single delegation and ambassador, six or eight months
you'll have a remarkable reach into the u.n. and you'll serve your country and the president with remarkable effectiveness and i was thrilled when the president-elect announced that he was nominating you and i can't imagine anyone who would do a better job. [ applause ] >> arguably the most admired ambassador of our time was jeanne kirkpatrick. i would look at the way she conducted herself and represented our nations in the united nations. would you agree? >> of course. and on that wonderful note and tribute to jeanne, thank you both for being here and please join me in a round of applause. [ applause ]
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the general manager of the washington, d.c. area transit system testified at a house oversight hearing about his agency's safety record and finances. the washington metro is undergoing a major maintenance initiative called safe track to address a backlog of repairs and safety issues. federal transportation officials and union officials testified at this two and a half hour hearing. good morning, i'd like to call this joint hearing of the subcommittee's on transportation and public assets and government
operation operations to order two of our subcommittees on oversight government reform are holding a joint hearing today and the title of this hearing is "a safe track." it deals, of course, with washington metro and oversight of safety and maintenance issues. i'm pleased to convene the hearing this morning and the order of business will start with opening statements from member members and then we'll go to our panel of witnesses and after we've heard from all of them we'll go into questioning. with that we'll begin the hearing and let me recognize first chairman chaffetz, the chairman of the full committee, mr. chaffetz, you're recognized.