tv Pearl Harbor Casualty Burial CSPAN December 10, 2016 8:30am-9:01am EST
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embodiment of a new force in .lobal politics american benevolence in the form of humanitarian aid programs. >> for our complete american history tv schedule, go to cspan.org. >> japanese torpedoes capsized the u.s. oklahoma within 10 minutes during the pearl harbor attack of december 7, 1941. the ship suffered 429 casualties. only 35 of the dead were identified. a military board in 1949 ruled that the identities of most of the lost crew were nonrecoverable. their remains were buried in 46 plots at honolulu's punch bowl cemetery. a 2015 defense department order prompted a renewed search for their identities in the hope of returning them to their families under the supervision of the defense accounting agency, the remains of the uss oklahoma crew have been disinterred and sent to laboratories for dna and
other analysis. just this november, nebraska's air force base laboratory received crew remains in a trance fair -- transfer dictated by protocol. navy fireman third class john h. lindsley, who was 22 in 1941, is one of the 49 members of the oklahoma crew who have now been identified. this october as pearl harbor's 75th anniversary neared, he was laid to rest in arlington national cemetery with full military honors. we will see that ceremony in a few minutes followed by an , interview with his niece, herself a navy veteran. first, an interview with todd of the defense pow mia accounting agency. >> the navy has a great tradition. a lot of what the navy does, when the ship goes down in water, that becomes the final resting place and the formalized resting place for those sailors
and marines, much like the sailors and marines on the uss arizona. however, with the oklahoma, they interred at the punch bowl primarily because the grave registration was able to bring them up, because it was not that deep of water, but we did not have the capabilities in the 1940's to have dna so that we could identify them. that is why they were interred into the punch bowl. >> what changed in 2015? why was there a decision made to disinter the remains? >> that's a great question. it took a few years. they went through the formal naval process that went to the officers of the secretary of defense. the secretary of defense actually authorized the disinterment. once the disinterment process was authorized by the secretary,
then two things have to happen. the first thing is we coordinate with the state of hawaii so that we can go in and do the right thing environmentally. then we coordinated with the department of military affairs because it is their cemetery and they run the cemetery. once the date was set and we start the disinterment process, it took about six months. i believe it was 61 caskets in 45 grave sites. >> where were the remains taken? >> initially they were taken to our lab in hawaii. and then later transferred to our lab in the air force base in omaha, nebraska. and then for a lot of the dna work we did it was sent to the armed forces dna identification lab in dover, delaware. >> what is the process in terms of trying to identify the
remains and getting them home to their families? >> the process -- first off, once they're in the lab they go through the identification process. we also work with families to get their family reference samples so that we can help with the matching in the dna. once the process moves through and a sailor or marine is identified, in this case in the uss oklahoma, then we work with the service casualty office. for this one, the majority is worked with the navy. then what the navy will do is that service casualty office will reach out to the family to explain the situation and we can make that identification and they will be accounted for that loved one over the phone. over the course of the next month or two there will be formal paperwork so that they can make a determination, making make the decision of where they
his final loved 1 -- resting place would be. >> dna is what makes this possible to identify the remains. in addition to the dna, do you use other evidence to try to make a confirmation? >> we do. what we use of the clavicle, because what we found with the clavicle it is like a dental record. a lot of service members in world war ii, they would take a chest x-ray, so we had that to reference if it was on file. but in the case here, the majority of those that we have identified today had been -- to date had been through dna and family references that were given to match up. to date we have identified nearly 43 -- >> from the uss oklahoma?
>> from the uss oklahoma from the 2015 disinterment. 288uld anticipate from the -- i would say about 20% will be buried here in arlington. >> what is behind the desire to be buried here in arlington? >> duty, honor, and service. that says it all. every time i come into the swells. -- every time i come into the cemetery, my chest swells. one day i might even be buried here. it is just that reflection. it is a symbol. the family can take away -- one, they know that their family member is accounted for, and another family member will be taken care of for eternity. i think that is a wonderful message. and again, with the way with full military honors, every time i hear "taps" and then when they
do the 21-un salute, it is amazing. i cannot help but to tear up every time i hear that. >> john h. lindsley, how recently was he identified? >> within the last six months. in the process -- then we go through the steps on what the family's wishes are. then the coordination has to be made with arlington for the services. >> if you're thinking about all of the wars that this country has fought, is there a rough number of how many service people still remain unaccounted for? >> believe it or not, nearly 83,000. the majority -- 73,000 from world war ii. the majority of that 73,000, about 50,000 are deep-sea losses. being real and honest, those are going to be very tough if not
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>> my name is catherine and i am the niece of john lindsley. he is my father's brother, one of four boys, all in the navy. all four boys' parents -- mother was a navy nurse. my own mother was a navy nurse. i am a third-generation navy nurse. >> do you know how he came to join the navy? except forknow that, that both of his parents were in the navy. i think it was encouraged. >> how did the family learn he had been killed at pearl harbor? >> i honestly do not know the answer to that. >> did you hear any family stories growing up about him? >> i did not. there were no family stories
about either my uncles john or edgar, who also died during world war ii at okinawa. i think the surviving brothers were so dismayed that they just never wanted to discuss either of them. >> do you remember when you first became aware of him? >> probably about 10 years ago. >> when were you first notified by the government that there was an attempt to try to identify him? >> two years ago we started getting communications from volunteer genealogists who were doing some of the footwork to my -- in advance of the genetic work, trying to find families. that is when we became aware of the fact that they were looking for matriarchal dna. so it was actually my cousin, a male, whose dna was used. >> i understand they were dental
records that were used. was that provided by the family? >> actually, dental records were not used in identification. they used a tooth as a source of dna. but the forensic pathologist who managed the whole process around pearl harbor declined using dental identification because the remains were all disassembled. so, identifying a skull did not necessarily mean you have the rest of the body to go with it. she felt that was an inappropriate thing to do for mothers and fathers waiting for their son's remains. >> you yourself were in the navy. can you tell us about your service? >> i was a navy nurse and i went into the navy in illinois where my father's family lived for so many years. i was on active duty for about
three years as a nurse stationed there. >> what does it mean to have your uncle's remains identified and brought here to arlington nearly 75 years after the attack on pearl harbor? >> because we weren't alive when my uncle died, i did not know how his service was honored. as a result i actually feel that we as a family are honored to help in providing or requesting certain activities be done to make sure that he is for certain honored. and long after we will all be gone, his remains are here in arlington for future generations to appreciate. >> was it the family's decision that he be buried here at arlington? >> yes. >> why did you make that decision? >> the mother and father are buried in illinois, none of us lived near there, there is no
other family there to go to the grave site. again, internment here at -- interment here at arlington and all that goes with it is something extra special for somebody who has given his life, particularly at pearl harbor. really important for us to see that he is honored this way. >> saturday, december 10, beginning at 11:00 a.m. eastern time, we will be live to take your calls and tweaks for the crucible."pacific that is live next saturday here on american history tv. >> sunday on american history tv on c-span3, at 1:00 p.m. eastern, a symposium on world war ii spies in code breakers. in fbi and the nazis firing new york city -- spy ring.
and an american family that it is the french resistance in nazi-occupied paris. >> she had a husband and a 15-year-old son. by deciding to use 11 avenue as a place where the resistance could meet, and where intelligence was dropped, she was risking not only her life but her husband and son's life. italiane 1920's, american anarchists were tried, convicted, and executed for robbery and murder in massachusetts, despite supporting evidence. a law professor discusses the controversy inside the supreme court chamber, with an introduction by justice ruth bader ginsburg. sacco and p.m., venzetti were transferred to the death house. the governor declared they had a fair trial the boston
press declare the case closed. >> at 8:00 on the presidency, historian george nash talks about herbert hoover, working voluntarily and anhout paying became international hero. the embodiment of a new force in global politics. american benevolence in the form of humanitarian aid programs. for our complete schedule go to c-span.org. >> yesterday, december 7, 1941, a date which will live in infamy. united states of america was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the empire of japan. >> each week, american artifacts