tv Secretary Tillerson on U.S.- India Relations CSPAN October 19, 2017 10:53pm-11:47pm EDT
advocate's perspective. you have to empathize. that's what will make the v.a. the ideal provider for veterans who have gone to combat. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q and a." >> secretary of state rex tillerson spoke about relations with india at an event hosted by the senate for strategic and international studies in washington, d.c. he called for strengthening the strategic partnership and u.s. aid to bolster india's military capabilities. this is just under an hour. [ applause ] >> well, good morning, everybody. welcome. we're delighted to have you
here. i'm going to start with a little safety announcement. i learned this lesson from rex tillerson when he was ceo at exxonmobil. every public meeting begins with an announcement with how we'll take care of you if anything comes up. the exits are behind us. the stairs closest that will take us down is behind this door, go down to the first level. we're going to take two left hand turns meet across the street at national geographic and there will be ice cream for you when you get there. so everything will be fine, no worries. let me first say welcome to richard spencer, secretary of the navy. we're glad you could join us today. thank you for your service, richard. it was about a year ago i was having breakfast with then rex tillerson. he's no longer rex tillerson for me, he's secretary tillerson. he had announced he was going to be retiring, and we were talking about how we would continue relations with him and all that.
i said rex, what are you going to do when you retire? he said i'm going to go to the ranch and rustle up the cattle. we were talking about that. i think he misses the opportunity. [ laughter ] it's a lot harder to rustle up wranglers here in washington than it is in west texas. but we're so grateful he didn't have any plans to come into this office and become secretary of state. and i'm so grateful he did. i've had 11 years of opportunity to work with secretary tillerson and know the scale and interest he has on international matters. he is so perfectly suited to help us at this time in our nation's history. we're going to -- maximum efficiency, i can't let little people stand up, so there will be little cards to fill out and we'll make it a much more efficient way that way. but would you please welcome the secretary of state rex tillerson.
[ applause ] >> well, thank you so much, john. it is a real pleasure to be back in the building, and i was asking john if the building was meeting all the expectations that we had when this project was undertaken. and i see so many faces in the room that were a big part of bring thing to a reality. he said there were four events going on simultaneously and i said perfect. i want to thank many of you in the room for the 11 years i had serving on the board of trustees and your mentorship with me. and i learned so much during the time i was here and those engangments, and i thank john for his friendship. he was a dear friend throughout that time. it really has been important to my ability to do what i've been
asked to do to serve the country. again, it is a real pleasure to be here, and thankful for the opportunity to be back in this building. so first, let me wish everyone, happy nuwali. so all our friends in the united states, india, here celebrating the festival of lights. generally, fireworks accompany that. i don't need any fireworks. i'm getting too in fireworks around me already. so we'll forego the fireworks. my relationship with india dates back to about 1998, so almost 20 years now, when i began working on issues related to india's energy security. and i've had many trips to the country, obviously over those many years. and it was a real privilege to do business with the indian counterparts then. and it's been a great honor this year to work with indian leaders as secretary of state. i do look forward to returning to deli next week for the first time in my official capacity. this visit could not come at a
more promising time for u.s.-indian relations and the u.s.-indian partnership. this year marks the 70th anniversary of relations between our two countries. when president truman welcomed then the prime minister to his viting, he said, destiny will that our countries should be discovered in the search for a new route to yours. i hope your visit too will be in a sense a discovery of the united states of america. the pacific and the indian oceans have linked our nations for centuries. francis scott key wrote what would become our national anthem sitting aboard a ship that was built in india. as we look to the next 100 years, it is vital that the region so central to our shared history, continues to be free and open. that's really the thing that my remarks to you this morning. president trump and the prime minister are committed more than
any other leaders before them to building an ambitious partnership that benefits not only our two great democracies, but other sovereign nations working to our greater peace and stability. prime minister modi's visit in june highlighted the many areas of cooperation that are already under way. our defense ties are growing. we are coordinating our counterterrorism efforts more than ever before. and earlier this month, the shipment of american crude oil arrived in india, a tapgib ibta illustration of our energy cooperation. the trump administration is determined to dramatically deepen ways for the united states and india to further this partnership. for us today it's plain to see why this matters. india represents the world's largest democracy. the driving force of our close relationship rests in the ties between our peoples, our si citizens, business leaders and scientists.
nearly 1.2 american visitors traveled to india last year. more than 166,000 indian students are studying in the united states. and nearly 4 million indian-americans call the united states home, contributing to their communities as doctors, engineers, and innovators. and proudly serving their country in uniform. as our economies grow closer, we find more opportunities for prosperity for our people. more than 600 american companies operate in india. u.s. foreign direct investment has jumped by 500% in the past two years alone. last year, our bilateral trade hit a record of roughly $115 billion, a number we plan to increase. together, we've built a sturdy foundation of economic cooperation, as we look for more avenues of expansion. the announcement of the first global entrepreneurship summit ever to be hosted in south asia to take place next month is a clear example of how president
trump and the prime minister are promoting innovation, expanding job opportunities, and finding new ways to strengthen both of our economies. when our militaries conduct joint exercises, we send a powerful message as to our commitment to protecting the global commons and defending our people. this year's mulibar exercise was our most complex to date. the largest vessels from american, indian, and jeez navies demonstrated their power together in the indian ocean for the first time, sending a clear example of the combined thrstreh of the three democracies. we hope to add others in the coming years. in keeping with india's status, endorsed by the u.s. congress, our mutual interests in expanding maritime cooperation, the trump administration has offered a menu of defense options for india's consideration, including the
guardian uav. we value the role india can play in global security and stability, and are prepared to ensure they have greater capabilities. over the past decade, our counterterrorism cooperation has expanded significantly. thousands of indian security personnel have trained with american counterparts to enhance their capacity. the united states and india are cross screening known suspected terrorists and later this year we'll convene a new dialogue on terrorist designations. in july, i signed the designation as mujahadin as a terrorist organization, because the united states and india stand shoulder to shoulder against terrorism. states that use terrorism will see their international reputation and standing diminished. it is the obligation, not the choice, of every civilized nation to discourage terrorism. the united states and india are lead thing effort in that region.
another profound transformation is taking place, one that will have far reaching implications for the next 100 years. the united states and india are increasingly global partners. indians and americans don't just share an affinity for democracy, but we share a vision of the future. the emerging strategic partnership stands upon a shared commitment upholding the rule of law, freedom of navigation, universal values and free trade. our nations are two book ends of stability on either side of the globe. standing for greater security and prosperity for citizens and people around the world. the challenges and dangers we face are substantial. the scourge of terrorism and the disorder threaten peace everywhere. north korea's nuclear weapons test and ballistic missiles pose
a clear and imminent threat to the security of the united states, our asian allies and other nations. and the very international order that's benefited india's rise and that of many others is increasingly under strain. china, while rising alongside india, has done so less responsibly. at times, undermining international rules based order. even as countries like india operate within a framework that protects other nation's sovereignty. china's provocative actions in the south china sea directly challenge the international law and norms that the united states and india both stand for. the united states seeks constructive relations with china. but we will not shrink from china's challenges, and where china subverts the sovereignty of neighboring countries, it disadvantages the u.s. and our friends. in this period of uncertainty, india needs a reliable partner
on the world stage. i want to make clear with our shared values and vision for global peace and prosperity, the united states is that partner. with india's youth, its powerful democratic example and increasing stature on the world stage, it makes perfect sense that the united states, at this time, should seek to build on the strong foundation of our years of cooperation with india. it is indeed time to double down on a democratic partner that is still rising and rising responsibly for the next 100 years. but above all, the world and indo pacific in particular, needs the united states and india to have a strong partnership. india and the united states -- as the indian saying goes -- do the needful. [ laughter ] our two countryks ies can be th
voice the world needs. the indo pacific including the entire indian ocean, the western pacific and the nations that surround them will be the most consequential part of the globe in the 21st century. home to more than 3 billion people, this region is the focal point of the world's energy and trade routes. 40% of the world's oil supply crisscrosses the indian ocean every day, through critical points like the straits of hormuz. with emerging economies in africa and the fastest growing economy and middle class in india, whole economies are changing to account for this global shift in market share. asia's share of global gdp is expected to surpass 50% by the
middle of this century. we need to collaborate with india to ensure that the indo pacific is increasingly a place of peace, stability, and growing prosperity. so that it does not become a region of disorder, conflict, and predatory economics. the world's center of gravity is shifting to the heart of the pacific. the u.s. and india, with our shared goals of peace, security, freedom of navigation, and a free and open architecture, must serve as the eastern and western beacons of the indo pacific. because the port and star board lights between which the region can reach its greatest potential. we must grow with an eye to greater prosperity for our peoples and by the year 2050, india may boast the second largest economy in the world. india's population with a median age of 25 is expected to surpass
that of china's within the next decade. getting our economic partnership right is critical. the economic growth flows from innovative ideas. fortunately, there are no two countries that encourage innovation better than the united states and india. the exchange of technologies and ideas between bang alor and silicon valley is changing the world. the united states and india have a tremendous competitive advantage. our open societies generate high quality ideas at the speed of free thought. helping regional partners establish similar systems will deliver solutions to 21st century problems. for that to happen, greater regional connectivity is essential. from silk routes to grand turk
roads, south asia was for millenia, a region bound together by the exchange of goods, people, and ideas. but today, it's one of the least economically integrated regions in the world. interregional trade has languished, sitting at around 4% or 5% of total trade. compare that with asean, where its regional trade stands at 25% of total trade. the world bank estimates with barriers removed, interregional trade in south asia would nearly quadruple to over $100 billion. one of the goals is providing nations the right options when it comes to sustainable development. the millennium challenge corporation is one model how we can achieve it. the program is committed to data, and evidence based decision making to foster the right circumstances for private
investment. last month, the united states and nepal signed a $500 million compact agreement, the first with a south asian nation, to invest in infrastructure to meet growing electricity and transportation needs in nepal. and to promote more trade linkages with partners in the region like india. the united states and india must look for more opportunities to grow this connectivity and our own economic links, even as we look for more ways to facilitate greater development and growth for others in the region. but for prosperity to take hold in the indo pacific, security and stability are required. we must evolve as partners in this realm, too. for india, this evolution will entail fully embracing its potential as the leading player in international security arena. first and foremost, this means building security capacity. my good friend and colleague, secretary mattis, was in deli
just last month to discuss this. we both look forward to the inaugural two plus two dialogue championed by president trump and the prime minister soon. the fact that the indian nif ye -- navy was the first user speaks volumes of our shared maritime interest and our need to enhance interoperaability. the proposals the united states put forward, including aircraft carrier technologies, the future vertical lift program, and f-18 and f-16 fighter aircraft are all potential game changers for our commercial and defense cooperation. the united states military's record for speed, technology and transparency speaks for itself. as does our commitment to indian gove sovereignty and security.
security issues that concern india are concerns of the united states. secretary mattis has said the world's two greatest democracies should have the two greatest militaries. earlier this year, instructors from the u.s. and indian armies came together to build a u.n. peacekeeping capacity among african partners, a program we hope to continue expanding. this is a great example of the u.s. and india building security capacity and promoting peace in third countries, and serving together as anchors of peace in a very tumultuous world. as we implement president trump's new south asia strategy, we'll turn to our partners to ensure greater stability in afghanistan and throughout the region. india is a partner for peace in afghanistan, and we welcome their assistance efforts. pakistan too is an important u.s. partner in south asia.
our relationships in the region stand on their own merits. we expect pakistan to take decisive action against terrorist groups based within their own borders that threaten their own people and the broader region. in doing so, pakistan's further stability and peace for itself and neighbors improving its own international standing. even as the united states and india grow, our economic and defense cooperation, we must have ann eye including other nations which share our goals. india and the united states should be in the business of equipping other countries to defend their sovereignty, build greater connectivity, and have a louder voice and a regional architecture that develops their economies and promotes their interests. this is a natural complement to india's act east policy. we ought to welcome those who want to strengthen the rule of law and further prosperity and security in the region. in particular, our starting
point should continue to be greater engagement and cooperation with indo pacific democracies. we are already capturing the benefits of our important try lateral engagement between the u.s., india, and japan. as we look ahead, there's room to invite others, including australia, to build on the shared objectives and initiatives. india can serve as a clear example of a diverse and pluralistic country to others. a flourishing democracy in the age of global terrorism. india's diverse population includes more than 170 million muslims, the third largest muslim population in the world. yet we do not encounter significant number of india muslims among foreign fighters in the ranks of isis or other terrorist groups, which speaks to the strength of india society. the journey of a democracy is
never easy, but the power of easy's democratic example is one that i know will continue to strengthen and inspire others around the world. in other areas, we're long overdue for greater cooperation. the more we expand cooperation on issues like cyber security and disaster relief, the more nations will benefit. we must recognize that many nations have limited alternatives when it comes to infrastructure investment programs and financing schemes, which often fail to promote jobs or prosperity for the people that claim to help. it's time to expand transparency mechanisms instead of saddle them with mounting debt. india and the united states must lead the way in growing these multilateral efforts. we must do a better job leveraging our collective expertise, and seeking more
avenues of cooperation to tackle those that are to come. there is the need, and we must meet the demand. the increasing convergence of u.s. and indian interest and values offers the indo pacific the best opportunity to defend the rules based global system that's benefited so much of humanity over the past several decades. but it comes with a responsibility for both countries to do the needful, in support of our united vision of a free, open, and thriving indo pacific. the united states welcomes the growing power influence of the indian people throughout this region and the world. we are eager to grow our relationship, even as india grows as a world leader and power. the strength has always been the interaction among many peoples, governments, economies and cultures. the united states is committed to working with any nation in south asia or the broader region, that shares our vision
of the indo pacific where sovereignty is upheld and a rules based system is respected. it's time we act on a vision of a free and open indo pacific. supported and protected by two strong pillars of democracy, the united states and india. thank you for your kind attention. [ applause ] >> thank you, mr. secretary. we're going to move this down so people over here can see. thank you for really a very interesting speech. one particular phrase really caught my attention. i would like to drill in a little bit on it. i had the huxry rluxury of see last night. "we need to collaborate with india to ensure the indo pacific is increasingly a place of peace, stability and growing
prosperity, so it does not become a region of disorder, conflict and predatory economics." very interesting expression. what do you see as being the example of predator economics that we should be alert to? >> i think everyone is aware of the huge needs in the indo pacific region among a number of emerging economies and fledgling dmokemocracy democracies, and it is important they have alternative means of developing the infrastructure they need and developing the economies. we have watched the activities and actions of others in the region, if particular china and the financing mechanisms it brings to many of these countries, which result in saddling them with enormous levels of debt. they don't off create the jobs, which infrastructure projects
should be tremendous job creators in these economies, but too often foreign workers are brought in to execute these infrastructure projects, financing is structured in a way that makes it very difficult for them to obtain future financing. and often times has very subtle triggers in the financing that results in financing default, and the conversion of debt to equity. so this is not a structure that supports the future growth of these countries. we think it's important that we begin to develop some means of countering that with alternative financing measures, financing structures. and during the east-asia ministerial summit in august we began a conversation with others what they were experiencing and what they need and we're starting a conversation with how can we create alternative financing mechanisms. we will not be able to compete
with the terms that china offers. but countries have to decide what are they willing to pay for their sovereignty and future control of their economies. we've had those discussions, as well. >> secretary, it really helps open up a new understanding that we all have to develop. if i could just ask, this seems to be an asymmetry, because you ran a big corporation, for a major project you would have to go to public markets, the discipline of a public market. yet you were competing against state owned enterprises that could turn to a central bank and get a no-interest loan or maybe just a grant. this is a profound asymmetry we have to deal with. how are you dealing with it? >> i think it is the case that has to be made to these countries that need the
infrastructure, that they have to think about the lock-term future, how do they want their country and economies to develop? and in many respects, those were similar to the kinds of discussions and arguments that we would make back when my private sector days that here are all the other benefits you receive when you allow investment dollars to flow in this way. you retain your sovereign control, you retain complete control over the laws and the execution within your country. and that should have significant value to them, as they're thinking about the future. and so while it is on a direct competitive basis, it's hard to compete with someone who is offering something on financial terms that are worth, you know, a few points on the lending side, but we have to help them put that in perspective of the longer term ability to control their country, control the future of their country, control the development of their economy, if a rules based system. and that's really what we're
promoting is you retain your sovereignty, you retain your commitment to a rules based way or we will come with other options for you. >> thank you. and i apologize, the ambassador is here and running a dynamic embassy. and i'm going to ask a question he would ask that he's not going to get to. i was in india in august, and great enthusiasm in india about a growing relationship. but real frustration which we restrict india getting access to technology. this is the ambassador's question. how are you going to fix that? >> just so you know, he's not shy. he's asking questions, and we've had discussion about it. i touched on it briefly in the prepared remarks in designating india as a major defense partner and congress' affirmation of that. i think everyone appreciates the u.s. has the finest fighting
military force on the planet. first because of the quality of the men and women in uniform, all-volunteer force, but they're equipped with the greatest technologies and weapons systems that are unmatched by anyone else in the world. so that's an enormous advantage to our military strengths. so we don't provide that lightly. that's why we have such rigorous review mechanisms when we get into technology transfer. having said that, our most important alleys and partners have access to that, and india has been elevated to that level. that's why i touched on a couple of systems that are not offered to everyone. the guardian uav system is an extremely technological piece that we are making available. we're in discussions with india about other high-level weapons systems. it's all too improve their capabilities to play this
important security role that we know they want to play in the region. so we're continuing to work through those systems in a very deliberate way, while protecting america's competitive advantage in this area. >> i don't know how close you all listen, but the secretary had a remarkable invitation, which is for the u.s. and india to jointly take a larger leadership role together in southeast asia. it was quite an important statement. you also indicated that there would have to be an evolving architecture coordination. you hinted that it could revolve around expanding the u.s.-japan-india trilateral. is that going to be the architecture of america's new engagement in this strategy? >> if you think about the map, as you heard me say, the indo pacific to the western part of the united states, that's the
part of the map we're dealing with, india is very significant and important democracy pins one side of that map. japan, another strong democracy that we have strong security relationships with, pin thing side of the map. but there's an important part of the south pacific that hs we think needs an important pinpoint, as well. australia, another very strong and important strategic partner, ally to the u.s. has fought in every war and alongside us in every battle we've ever fought, the australians have been there with us. so we think there are some useful conversations to have in the current trilateral relationship, which is very strong and effective. the india/japan/u.s. relationship. so we'll continue to explore how do we strengthen that architecture that really it is about this indo pacific free and open policy that we have. and how do we pin that in the proper places with our
strongest, most important allies. and how do we strengthen those in this multiparty arrangement? india/australia relations, how can they be strengthened? india has to see it in their interest, japan has to see it in their interest. but it is going to be an evolving process as to how we create the security architecture, which keeps this free and open indo pacific region. creates the opportunity for nations to protect their own sovereignty, to have the opportunity to conduct their economic affairs without being threatened by others. that's what the architecture's design is intended to do. >> i'm going to turn back to you as an energy guy. last month we had the indian minister responsible for renewable energy was here. this is a big push for india. you're not the secretary of energy, but you know a lot about it. how do you think we could expand
cooperation on energy issues with india? >> i know there are any number of active programs within india. india has huge energy needs, not just from the direct supply of energy, but also the infrastructure to distribute that energy and get it into -- so that all the indians have access to that. and i know csi has had some particular programs that are exploring that. those are all important avenues and mechanisms. the u.s. has a very important energy posture in terms of the technology that's been developed here across the entire slate of energy choices from conventional to renewables and other forms of energy. i think that's the value of the relationship is within the u.s. business community, and our entrepreneurs and our innovators, we have a large slate of opportunities we can
offer in partnering with india to meet those needs. we're encouraging that. again, we think the work that csi is doing is valuable in that regard, as well. to create those relationships to provide that. it's another area of opportunity for u.s. businesses. >> as our indian friends complain, rightly about the restrictiveness on technology, american companies complain how hard it is to do business in india. how is that conversation going to enter in your discussions? >> it has its ups and downs. in the 20 years i've dealt with india, i encountered these frustrations. i think india has undertaken a number of important reforms and we want to acknowledge that. i think it's important that those efforts and that momentum be sustained. it's easy to take a few actions and get a few reforms in place and say okay, we're done, let's sit back. you've never done. that's my message to india,
you're never done. because the world around you is not sitting stagnant. you have to continue to put in place the necessary conditions that is attractive first to indian business. just your own internal business entities. but also make it attractive for foreign investors to come to india and grow that economy. i think one of my interesting early experiences with india was, in the '90s, india undertook little foreign investment. one of my first interactions was to facilitate -- acquiring 20% of the project in russia. i put those parties together for a lot of reasons that served the interest of the people i represented at that time. but it was an interesting discussion. i had a lot of conversation with
the indians in that process, because they were not used to investing overseas. that resulted in me going to a business conference a couple of years later. they asked me to come over to meet with indian businessmen being encouraged to invest overseas. again, it was kind of a new thing for them. and i remember we had a panel discussion. one of the last questions, an indian businessman said if there's one thing we should keep in mine investing overseas, what is it? i said very simple, choose your partners wisely. in any venture, you are going to have partners. who you choose will determine your success. i've carried that same, most important helicopter in any relationship. i always do that. that's the way we view the indian-u.s. relationship, choose your partner wise hi. we think we have wisely chosen a
partner in india for this strategic relationship. i think that process, i've watched over the 20 years of india investing abroad, helps india understand the conditions necessary to be successful back home. when you encounter it as a foreign direct investor, suddenly you understand what's important to success. you take that back home and that helps you with your reforms back home. we encourage india to continue the path towards reforms. much more needs to be done to enhance the full economic value of what india has to offer. >> i have about four or five questions that are all clustered around the same issue. that's about the complex power geometry in this region. india his ftor india his ftoically had close ties with russia, china had close ties with pakistan. we tried to keep ties with india and pakistan. it's a lot more comply caicated
environment now. can you just give your thoughts about this power geometry. >> my view, and i think it is the collective view within the u.s. government as well, is as china has risen over the last 20 plus years now, to take its rightful place as an economic power in the world, moving hundreds of millions of their people out of poverty into middle class status, india too has been rising. and i commented on this in the remarks. as we watch how these two very large nations are taking their place, rightful place in the global economy, they've gone about it in different ways. and i touched on that. and i think that's why the u.s. now sees this as an important point in thinking about the next century of our relationships. we're going to have important relationships with china. we'll never have the same relationship with china, a
non-democratic society, that we could have with a major democracy. so i think what has evolved, and i would have to let the indians -- indian government speak for themselves. as india has gone through this process of rise, it too has taken account of the circumstances around it. and how have those relationships served their advancement and how have they not served their advancement? i think as the world's -- one of the world's largest democracies, it has said i want to be a partner with another democracy. i don't want to partner with these other countries that do not operate with the same values. i think at the end of it, this relationship is built on shared values. that's what has brought us together. two very large and important democracies want to share the same future. and we have a shared vision for the future. i think that's what's changed over the last couple of three
decades. there's been a real accounting, as i have observed it. a real accounting has been taken by the indian government of its past experiences, and decided this is where we want to go. >> secretary, i know it's not precisely the reason for your trip, but several questions i would have to ask you about myanmar. that's been an incredible humanitarian chris which is the rohingya. could you share your perspective on this? >> well, we're extraordinarily concerned by what's happening with the rohingya in burma. i've been in contact with aung san suu kyi, the leader of the government. this is a power sharing government that's emerged in burma. we really hold the military leadership accountable for what's happening in the rakhine area.
what's most important to us is the world can't just stand idly by and witness the atrocities being reported in the area. what we have encouraged the military to do, we understand that you have serious rebel terrorists elements within that part of your country as well that you have to deal with. butciplined and retrained how you deal with those. and you must allow access in this region so we can get a full accounting of the circumstances. i think any of us that read this recent story in "the new york times," it just had to tear your heart out to read this. so we have been asking for access to the region. we've been able to get a couple of our people from our embassy into the region, so we could get our own firsthand account of what is occurring. we're encouraging access for the aid agencies, the red cross, the
red kres encrescent, so we can some of the most humanitarian needs, but most importantly, so we can get a full understanding of what is going on. someone, if these reports are true, someone is going to be held to account for that. and it's up to the military leadership of burma to decide what direction do they want to play in the future of burma, because we see burma as an important emerging democracy. but this is a real test. it's a real test to this power sharing government as to how they're going to deal with this very serious issue. so we are deeply engaged. we're engaged with others and we're going to be engaged at the u.n. >> again, several questions we're dealing with afghanistan, and afghanistan has complex
geopolitics. the indians have had a strong interest in what happens in afghanistan, pakistan. afghanistan, what are you going to be doing there? >> you heard the president's announced his new policy towards -- and it's the south asia strategy. afghanistan is what people tend to focus on. but one of the differences in how we approach the challenge there is why it took a little longer for us to fully develop a policy, as we do see it as a regional issue. it's not solely an afghanistan issue. and you solve afghanistan by addressing the regional challenges. and pakistan is an important element of that. india is an important element of how we achieve the ultimate objective, which is a stable afghanistan, which no longer serves as a platform for terrorist organizations. our policy quite simply on
terrorism is that we will deny terrorists the opportunity, the means, the location, the wherewithal, the ability to organize and carry out attacks against americans at home and abroad, anywhere in the world. clearly the threat to that policy finds its locust in many ways in afghanistan. to the extent we can remove that as an opportunity for terrorism in afghanistan, the greater beneficiaries are going to be pakistan and afghanistan. and india's important role is in providing development assistance to afghanistan as they move forward to create better economic conditions that provide for the needs of a very diverse, ethnic group of people in afghanistan. so it is about a commitment message to the taliban and other elements that we're not going anywhere. so we'll be here as long as it takes for you to decide you want to engage with the afghan
government and develop a form of government that suits the needs of the culture of afghanistan. and to the afghan government, they have to be committed to being open to addressing the full needs of the very ethnically diverse culture that exists in the country and its own history, as well. we think that is achievable, and we can have a stable, peaceful afghanistan. when that happens, a big threat is removed from pakistan's stability as well. which then creates a better condition for indian/pakistan relationship. so we see it as a means of stabilizing the entire region. we intend to work closely with india and with pakistan to, we hope, ease tensions along their border, as well. pakistan has two very troubled borders. two very troubled borders. we would hike to help them take the tension down on both of
those, and secure a future which improves relations in the area, as well. >> i know i'm running close to the deadline i was given by your horse holders. but let me ask, several questions we're keeping with development. the question i would like to pose is, we've got a very capable new administrator for usaid. i know you've been involved in that. what do you see as the relationship between the state department and usaid going forward? >> i think it's no different than it's traditionally been the roles of the two organizations. the state department developing foreign policy. an important element of our execution of foreign policy is development aid and assistance, whether it's food programs to address disaster response, dire
needs, or if it's in developing democratic capacity, an institutional capacity. so usaid is an important tool of the foreign policy. they don't make policy, but they are critical to our execution of foreign policy that's where we want that expertise to reside. using lingo of my prior life, they are a center of expertise when it comes to aid and development programs. nobody does it better than they do. not just directly, but they have tremendous organizational and convening capacity to work for other multilateral organizations, whether it's u.n. organizations, ngos, direct in-country capability. they are really the experts in the world for doing that. they have the relationships, they have the contacts, they have the process, they have the procedures. and they're vital to our execution on foreign policy. therefore they become integral
to how we develop foreign policy and test its viability and how we lay out the plans, the strategy and the tactics. so that's the relationship. one of the things we want to be sure is everyone understands their roles and everyone understands what's not their role. on the state temperature side, our expertise is the analysis, the assessment, the development for foreign policy, the carrying out of the diplomatic integration of all that. usaid, though, they are really the experts. state department doesn't have that expertise. >> one last question. let me ask this last question. in recent years, most secretaries of state have been policy people. they spent their life in the policy world. but through the history of the department, we've had a great number of business people. what is the -- how do you think about the way that you can work with the private sector in
advancing american diplomacy and values around the world? >> i think one of the things that is important for us is to make sure that we are -- we have great clarity around what our policies are, what our tactics are. so that investors, the business community, can at least make their assessment, as they're trying to make decisions about their own business conduct, private enterprise, whether it's investment, foreign direct investment they want to make or partnerships they're creating for investment here in the u.s. that goes back to my earlier comments, choose your partners wisely. one of the things important for us is to be able to ensure we can provide clarity to the business community to investors, as to what the relationship is with a particular country, how we view the risk, the stability, those were things important to me in making decisions when i was in the private sector.
sit a risk management decision. so how can we help everyone understand what the risks are in this country, but also what the vectors are. we think the vectors going in the right direction? we have concerns that things could go in the wrong direction. and then the business leaders can make their own decisions about what they choose to do. >> umm, i think you all can see why i was so lucky for 11 years to have secretary tillerson on my board. would you please thank him with your applause. [ applause ]
sunday night -- >> over 98% of sexual harassment cases end up in settlements. and what does that mean? that means that the woman pretty much never works in her chosen career again. and she can never talk about it. she's gagged. now, how else do we solve sexual harassment suits? we put in arbitration clauses in employment contracts, which make it a secret proceeding. so again, nobody ever finds out about it if you file a complaint. you can never talk about it ever. nobody ever knows what happened to you and in most cases you're also terminated from the company, and the predator is left to still work in the same position in which he was harassing you. so this is the way our society has decided to resolve sexual
harassment cases, to gag women so that we can fool everyone else out there that we have come so far in 2017. >> former fox news host gretchen carlson talks about sexual harassment in her new book "be fierce, stop harassment and take your power back." she's interviewed by sally quinn from "the washington post." watch sunday night at 9:00 eastern on c-span2's book tv. >> c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies. and is broad to you today by your cable or satellite provider. >> at his senate confirmation hearing, cia inspector attorney general nominee christopher sharply discussed a senate report on the cia's interrogation techniques, and