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state bill gardner hosted a look back at the 1968 presidential primary. the panel included then supporters of eugene mccarthy, president lyndon johnson and republican richard nixon. senator mccarthy opposed the vietnam war and his strong challenge in the nation's first primary along with robert kennedy's entry soon thereafter is thought to have played a role in the president's decision to pull out of the race three weeks later. richard nixon was the republican winner. >> welcome to all of you. being here on such a historic day for new hampshire and its first in the nation presidential primary. the idea for this came about two years ago when the person who wrote the first book about the new hampshire primary, chuck burton, there was a memorial service for him and david hall, who was a number one on the
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democratic side in new hampshire for eugene mccarthy was there and i met him for the first time and i -- as i was listening to him, it made me think about having something on the exact day here at the state house to commemorate that primary. and i asked him if he would be willing to come to it and he was very happy about it and he said, i hope you do this, but i'm not sure if i'm going to be able to be there. and we lost him a year ago in february. he knew, obviously, at the time that he didn't have a lot of time left, so that's how this began. that primary was the last primary to be on our traditional town meeting day, which is the second tuesday of march. we have not had one since on that day, but everyone before it, that was the 13th presidential primary that we
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had, and this -- i thought it would be a good idea to have, instead of people that have read the history books about it, to put together a group of people that were here, that were participating, that were part of it, but five of the ten here at this table weren't old enough to vote because you had to be 21. that was the last state presidential primary that you had to be 21 to vote. '72 began the 18-year-old vote. so, five here were teenagers and the other five were in their 20s and early 30s. and they each have a -- their own perspective. two weeks after -- the primary was march 12th, today. on the saturday following march
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12th, bobby kenny announced he was running for president, and on -- before the end of march, the president announced that he was changing his mind, he was not going to be running again. so -- and there was not another primary until april 2nd. that was wisconsin. so, new hampshire had several weeks, and there was not an iowa caucus in 1968. it was much later. the iowa caucus, when both parties had caucuses, didn't begin until '96 -- i mean, '76. in '72, the democrats had a caucus. republicans didn't. so, new hampshire was all alone. and the whole country was watching and analyzing what happened in new hampshire. and that's what set the change forever, because people were
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amazed at what happened. they were pleased that the little guy could really change the course of history. no one expected what happened in new hampshire, and it wasn't that lyndon johnson didn't get more votes. he did get more votes. but he lost the delegates and the primary is for choosing delegates to go to the convention and 20 of the 24 delegates on the democratic side ended up being mccarthy delegates. now, on the republican side, leading up to it, everyone thought that it was going to be the republicans that had the brutal battle. it was going to be a blood bath. and everyone thought the democrats were -- it was going to be an easy going, because they had an incumbent president running. and so that was what was written up until the day of the primary, and then right after the primary, everything was turned up side down, and in the first "time" magazine to come out,
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they described it as new hampshire has this relished pension for turning things topsy you are the vooe, and once again, it turned things upside down with the republicans, instead of having a blood bath, had a virtual front runner and the democrats, rather than having an easy nominee, ended up with a potential brutal conflict for months to come. and so that was what people and all the things that happened put the spotlight and our primary's never been the same since then. so, i'm going to explain the agenda this morning just quickly, and introduce the members here. so, to my left, sandy hall and paul. they were involved from the beginning when the very first
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meeting was held and alan came as part of the dump johnson movement, so they're both going to talk about the beginning of this, of the mccarthy effort, and then the three next individuals, chuck, republicann mark. a lot of you know paul was in the legislature in the mid '60s. he's been on and off over all these years. he's -- and the same with the other people on this panel that ever since '68, they've been involved in one way or another. but those three are the children. "time" magazine dedicated a whole page after this primary in '68, and they titled it, the crusader of the ballot children and it was all about the 16, 17, and 18-year-olds that were from new hampshire or came here from other parts of the country to campaign, and they're each going
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to talk about what happened in their communities and their regions of the new hampshire. chuck's been a representative, house member since the '70s, off and on, and the same thing with representati representative cushing from hampton. chuck is from rochester. and mark stevens is going to talk about his canvassing and his efforts and a little bit about the convention. and then, to speaker are roberts and ruth griffin, former executive counselor, they're going to talk about the republican side, about richard nixon ended up being the big winner and actually pretty much the nominee after new hampshire, and jim, former senator, state representative, he's going to talk about the johnson side, because he was the chair of unh democrats for johnson and portsmouth for johnson, and at the end, joe mcquaid, publisher of the manchester union leader,
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he's going to talk about both party primaries from the perspective of the newspaper and from a reporter's perspective of pieces of information that probably most of you have not heard before, but from his perspective, what he was able to hear from his father also who was editor in chief of the sunday news and the daily morning and evening papers. so that's how we're going to go through this, and then we're going to open it up a little bit at the end. so with that, it's quite a privilege to have sandy here because she was at it from the cradle that very first meeting and sandy's from hanover, and so i'm going to turn it over, and sandy and paul together are going to tell us about how
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eugene mccarthy began and then what happened. >> i'm david hoeh's former wife, very good friend, and he passed away of pancreatic cancer a year ago in february. he would, i'd say, die all over again just to be here. this was a holy day in our family, march 12th. i'm going to quickly just give you some chronology, very quickly. on october 25th, curtis ganz came and met with david, because they were interested in getting a candidate to run against the president. david gave him a number of names, including our good friend, paul mcechren. the first meeting was at sylvia chaplains and then we had another meeting and what happened is curtis took the names of people that they got and he went out and talked to more people. on the 19th, we created -- of
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november, we created a steering committee. david was chair of it. were you vice chair? yep. paul was vice chair. and we got off running. on november 20th, there was a press conference announcing the committee and david and gary who was at st. paul's would go on to become a congressman from massachusetts, were at the press conference. november 27th -- november 30th, mccarthy announced his candidacy but not in new hampshire. we were at the conference for concerned democrats. curtis and alan were there. we kept making appeals to mccarthy. i said, you've got -- they said, you've got to come to new hampshire if you want to be considered a serious candidate. and mccarthy attended a meeting
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at sylvia's house on the 14th of december and he walked in -- when he walked into the room, he said, what is this? it looks like a government in exile. after it continued and we -- that david and gary kept putting pressure on mccarthy to his staff to get in the race. and blair clark was very important to that. he was -- i think he was the chair at that point. at any rate, on the 2nd of january, gary, david and i had dinner with blair clark and david was called to the phone, and the person said, dave, i've decided that i will enter the new hampshire primary. so, that's just some background. but i think one of the things -- this is from david hoeh's book, by the way. he said, and this was really critical, in other words, to be successful, a drive to stop johnson had to come from inside the democratic party, using
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persons familiar with the party processes with legitimate political reputations. so, the people that we had, people like paul, had -- they were established in the democratic party. i would then like to just challenge some of what my good friend paul mcintyre said. we did not destroy the democratic party. we hadded 90,000 voters, democratic voters, to the list. a number of people who are active in that campaign went on and some of them are here to be leaders in the democratic party. bill dunphy -- i don't know how many of you know him -- but bill is considered the father of the modern democratic party. i remember around 1960, he said to david hoeh, we've got to stop being republican lite. we've got to stand for
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something. and that's when bernie booten ran. but in 1962, mcintyre and john king were elected. and one of them was the first one in 40 years and one was the first one in 30 but i don't recall. you saw bill dunphy say that he resigned as chair of the state party. david was talking to him throughout the campaign, and bill was a friend, but he knew he couldn't come out for mccarthy. anyway, he was very close to the kennedys, very, very close and had bobby not died, there was a good chance bill would have been in his administration. the couple little stories. i managed to have dinner with paul newman. i was all of 27. i called david -- i was in hanover with my then two children and i said, what are you doing? and he said, well, i'm in manchester, i'm going to have dinner with paul newman tonight. i said, excuse me?
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got a baby sitter, and i went down there. paul newman was an exceptional person. he would not sign autographs. he said, i'm not here for paul newman, i'm here for gene mccarthy. we sent him ice skating up in new hampshire. he campaigned. he was fabulous, and he knew the issues. we also had tony randall. i went to a coffee, i took tony randall to a coffee in keen. he couldn't answer any of the questions. he was always signing his own autographs. so i went home and i said, david, you got to get to the campaign. we've got to pull him. so we pulled him, told him his schedule was over, and brought paul newman back in. but it was just the difference in approaches that newman was so committed to being against the war that he wasn't there to promote himself. another -- oh, another interesting thing. when the campaign got really
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nasty at the end, you referred to -- they started calling us traitors. there were two major democratic players in hanover who said that's it. gene hennessy, who passed away, and bob guest. they both passed away. they were johnson delegates, but they said, this is it. these people are not traitors. we know them. we know them well. and somehow, the mccarthy campaign got into a radio station and got a copy of the ad. that -- david would remember how, but they literally got in, got the ad so they were ready for what hit and it was right before the election, so they knew it would be called traitors, et cetera. it was a very well organized campaign. we met so many wonderful people and brought a lot of new people who had never been active in
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politics into the political process. i think that's basically it. i promised i'd be brief. >> mine is a -- is a personal story, and i'll probably forget some things that i wanted to mention, but it began, really, in 1964. at that time, i had served my first term in the legislature when i was a student at unh, and president johnson came to new hampshire, which was unusual because they usually didn't come in the actual presidential campaign, and he appeared at the carpenter ballroom in manchester, and i still remember what he said. he said, i will not send american boys to die in asian
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soil. and i took that and of course i agreed with it. and at that time, of course, we had the draft. it didn't apply to me, because i had served four years in the navy before, but in -- i went to a young democrats convention at the laconia tavern. i think it was in the summer of 1967, and that -- and it was all johnson. and by then, we were fully engaged in the war, and it was a divisive political issue. i, of course, was against that. and i went back say, my goodness, someone's got to run. i even thought, you know, i was 29 at the time, of running just to make a political statement. i knew i couldn't -- wasn't old enough, but we needed somebody, and i'm sure that i mentioned it
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to bob dishman, who was taught at unh, and along about in october, a fellow from out of town, curtis, showed up in my office and talked to me about getting a candidate to run against the war and that he was acting with david lowenstein, who was truly a charismatic figure at the time, and i said, sign me up. we didn't have a candidate, but it was going to be an anti-war campaign, whoever it was, and then in december, at sylvia chaplain's house, gene mccarthy came, and he was aloof from day one as a politician. and he said that he wasn't planning on entering the new hampshire primary. he was thinking of new jersey.
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which i think had a primary in june. and i confronted him. i still remember that. confronted him and said that if he wanted to be considered a candidate for president he had to come in to new jersey, and if it was some other thing that he was doing, not to bother us, and he -- he then announced that he was coming into new hampshire and we had to go out and fill a delegate slate. and i remember talking to one person asking him if he would sign up as a delegate, and he said he couldn't because he couldn't go to chicago that summer, and i said none of us are going to chicago. we need -- you know, we need a slate, and -- and that was --
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that was the -- the tenor at that time. it was -- it was a -- a real protest candidate campaign, and i think it was because we had the draft in, and young men were subject to the draft and everybody was trying to get out of it, students, nonetheless and people were drafted so it involved the country like nothing has since then, and if we had the draft today, we wouldn't have been in afghanistan for is15 years, for instance, or we might not have even gone to iraq. i mean, it -- universal service is a wonderful thing in a democracy, but the -- as the campaign developed, sandy
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mentioned the -- the statement of john king. now, john king had -- he had been a mentor to me. he was elected governor in '72. in '62, thank you, and i was in the house and i -- i was on the education committee with -- he had a $20 million bond issue for education at the time. education committee met in this room, by the way, in 1963. and he convinced me to go to law school, so he -- he wasn't -- we weren't unfriendly. we were fairly close, and he -- he came out with that. i was on my way to wheb at the time for some sort of a program on the campaign, and we were called as it came over the news traitors. and i said to myself, i said,
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well, i said, well, this is probably the last political thing i'll ever do. but it's worth it. and it was. that's the kind of commitment that people had at that time, and we -- because at that time we were elected as delegates individually, we ran in the first district and the second district, and -- and coincidentally 50 years from then my son deglan is running in the first district in a very crowded field for congress. and he's here with me today. the delegates swept the field. johnson had delegates, but he wasn't on the ballot. he did get more votes than mccarthy. it shows you that the winner of the new hampshire primary isn't
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always the one who gets the most votes, and i think they have done -- they did away with the direct voting for delegates after '68, i think, but we no longer vote for delegates, but i remember going to bed that night very early. i was -- i was ahead than john king and senator mcintire, and they ultimately got more votes than i did, but i thought it was a good time to go to bed. we -- a few tidbits about the convention. and by the way mccarthy got the highest vote plurality anywhere in new hampshire. in portsmouth, new hampshire which had a navy base and an air
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base and he never came to portsmouth, not once. we did have tony randall, sandy, and i -- and it was -- i took tony randall through yokun's restaurant which was the place to go at that time. and believe me. i have never taken any politician who was as well received as tony randall was in yokun's during that campaign. it was glorious, and my -- my sister peggy was a waitress at the time, and he met her, and the next day my sister was in manchester with me at a political event and tony randall remembered her name, and i just
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thought, you know, this -- this guy has something, and he did, but that was a -- it was a -- it turned out to be a great surprise to everybody. we got to chicago, and it was like going to eastern europe where everything was controlled. delegates could not even bring a newspaper into the convention because it would look like we weren't paying attention if we were all reading newspapers. that wednesday evening mccarthy delegates took over the floor at about 5:00 when -- between sessions, and we protested the war. we had a big black banner that we trotted around. we got some publicity about that, and the next day when the vice presidency was to be
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decided musky was one of the candidates and our delegation voted almost entirely for muskie, but before that happened david hall, who was our chair, he got sort of arrested. >> arrested. >> well, he was -- he was -- he was prevented from coming into the convention because they had these phony pass devices that you had to put your credentials into the device, and there was a red light and a green light, and if the green light came on, they let you in. well, he figured that that was not a real device, and he put his mastercard in the device. >> his dartmouth card. >> see, he was working with dartmouth. >> and it worked. he got the green light, and so it all had a green light, and
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they stopped him. frankly we were -- we were very upset. you know, most of the delegates were for mccarthy and governor king sort of knew what i was up to, and he game with me face to face and head to head and he said i want my vote counted. and we both voted for muskie. and i said to him, governor, you'll get your vote counted. hi no intention of voting the delegation that evening, and when it got to new hampshire i said, new hampshire, and i knew that at the time they would cut me off if i tried to bring in the detention of david into my talk. i knew that that's the way they
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were. they would just cut you off, and you'd have no mike. and i said new hampshire, whose mota who is live flee or die, it later got on to the license plates passes, and i thought that maybe someone in the announcing would mention that our chair had been arrested. and i don't know if they did, and the -- and we never did get to cast our votes for muskie who became the vice president. i remember as i was leaving chicago after humphrey got the nomination or would not talk about the war or change his position at all, i said that i cannot vote for hubert humphrey. eventually i did, but i think it
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really cost him the election because of his stance. he didn't say anything about the war because it was too late in october. one other vignette about that convention. there were a lot of protests in the streets of chicago and one time jean danielle, a member of our delegation for mccarthy was using a bullhorn or tom microphone or whatever. he was on the balcony of the conrad hilton hotel egging the protesters on. gene daniel had been a representative of the house, mayor of franklin, and he --
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he -- at one time he put a bomb, a stink bomb in the stock exchange. so he -- he was a real protester from day one. anyway the fbi arrested him -- well, they didn't arrest him, but they detained him and i was escorted down into the bowels of the conrad hilton hotel to vouch for gene daniel who was actually a delegate for mccarthy, and they let him go. but it was a time that none of us were there will ever forget. it was a different time than today. and as divisive as the issues today appear, it doesn't compare in my mind with that, and as sandy said, those of us who declared traitors at the time stayed in politics because of keep mccarthy. at the convention he was the
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most unpolitical person that you could have as a candidate. he refused to meet with delegations, and there were most of us who at the time after bobby kennedy had been killed were trying to put out feelers to ted kennedy to come in and -- and stand in as a candidate. he had -- he had sort have worn out his string, i thought, and he was more of a poet than a candidate, but he was the candidate. it could have been someone else and the 1968 primary probably would have played out just about as it did in new hampshire, but we surprised a lot of people including ourselves. thank you. >> can i add something about the conventions since i was married to david at the time. david was arrested.
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they handcuffed him. his hands were numb for about a month. as they are going to the car one officer said to the arresting officer we'll take care of you, meaning they -- they were swearing at him. they were trying to get him to do something, and he didn't, and then they picked him up in a very un -- in not a nice way to throw him into the car and they did arrest him. and one of the reasons -- david and i weren't very technologically -- we were technologically challenged. friends later said they knew we had different colored paper passes, that they would have known that the technology would not have been able to read those, but what happened is david looked up in the balcony, and it was packed with humphrey people. chicago, okay. and some of our alternate
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delegates, and wasn't it your wife who was an alternate i was there? >> she was there but not an alternate. >> okay. one of our delegate alternates could not get in and david goes bingo. these things have been a joke, so that's why he did. he, unfortunately,oused his dartmouth employee pass, and that didn't go over too well. the other quick thing i wanted to say was we were helped by a very sad occurrence by the tet offensive because at the end of january, and they have been talking about it. remember the tet offensive. david and gene mccarthy picked up walter cronkite at the airport, and he got in the car and he said they have been lying to us. we are not winning. johnson supposedly said later on if we've lost cronkite, we've lost the american people, so i think that turned the public finally finding out that, no, we
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weren't winning. also contributed to mccarthy's success. >> chuck? >> thank you. when bill asked me to speak, i said this is 1968. i was 15 years old. trying to remember a lot of what went on, i did remember that i -- that i met -- not -- i met gene mccarthy and also met paul newman when he came and spoke in rochester. having grown up in a family with my grandparents, i got into democratic politics because i would go to union meetings, union hall with her instead of hiring a babysitter. didn't do that back in the days. you just brought the kid along with you. so i grew up in a union family, and also there was a tailor shop which basically replaced the downtown barber shop in rochester where all the democrats used to get together and the mayor would have his kitchen cabinet sort of get together, and it was between my house and the high school that i
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went to, and it was a family friend that ran the tailor shop, and he was involved in democratic politics it, and i used to stop in there as a young student, and he had a coke machine. i could always grab a free coke from him and sit there and listen to the democratic politicians in the community. rochester was a french, catholic, democratic, conservative community, and i got involved in politics. and as a student at spaulding high school during the campaign, i became quite against the war in vietnam. friends, older friends of mine were being drafted or sent away. they would come home and tell us stories that -- things weren't going as well as everybody was saying, and so i became an anti-war activist at spaulding high school. i was called a traitor. i was called a commie, a commie sympathizer. i would do my book covers out of grocery bags which would have political slogans on them, and
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during that are campaign i had gene mccarthy on my handmade book covers at school. and i became a source of a place where if you wanted anything to do with the mccarthy campaign at spaulding high school or i had the buttons or was able to get the flyers. ended up going door to door. some of the older democrats in the community didn't particularly appreciate it, but they sort of chuckled and said, well, he's young. he's learned. 50 years later i don't think i've learned what they wanted me to learn but that's all right, that you know, you get in loin and we're all going to follow the president wasn't the way it worked out. we -- we had a small group of us. i was a band geek at the time so i had some band friends that were involved, and i was also on the debate team, not a very good debater, but i was a member of the team, and we -- we -- we looked for a candidate when gene mccarthy came to new hampshire and decided to -- we got out
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there and we worked for him. we went door-to-door. my first experience scared as hel knocking on doors and handing out flyers. we stood on the streets with signs. we -- we did as much as we could to promote an anti-war candidate because that was the primary thing. we were there to oppose american presence in vietnam, and as a 15-year-old in high school it was a different experience where normally 15-year-olds don't get involved in that kind of stuff since i remember as young as 6, 7 and 8 going to union meetings and watching democratic police on tv with my grandparents. it's something that certainly inspired me to go on in the future. shortly after i worked on the mcgovern campaign and ran for the house. was successful. ran for the city council in rochester and served almost 30 years off and on as a city councilman in rochester and after a 30-year break from politics here at the state i
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decided to come back. i didn't actually decide, but i came back this last year. bill tells a story. actually my last term in the house i went to the voters and the said i just got a job, won the primary. just got a job, please don't vote for me. i won, so i ended up losing that job, but that's the way things roll, but it certainly being in the halls of the school, working for a candidate, getting information out and sharing information with fellow students, it was interesting that when the final vote came down, rochester went for mccarthy. >> like chuck i was a 15-year-old student -- i was at a high school in hampton which was not a democratic town, a republican town, but when i was a freshman, my cousin ralphie who was from salem came back from vietnam in a wheelchair with stumps instead of legs, and
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that made me think a lot about what america was doing. i gradually came to the conclusion that the war in vietnam was a terrible mistake. i remember getting this book given to me by a high school social studies teacher by howard zen, "the logic of withdrawal" and it just made sense we shouldn't be in vietnam but i didn't have an outlet for it. as it turned out after football season, a couple of teachers, david moran and this other teacher, jim pachulis had signed on to the mccarthy campaign and had opened up the mccarthy campaign movement in hampton. i remember the -- when the office first came and it was a small trailer. it was -- they pulled into, they rented and pulled into the town
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parking lot on high street, and this is not an rv. this was like a little camper trailer that we would go in, and that was the headquarters. kind of the beachhead for going out and leafletting in the town. i remember the day when a bunch of fliers arrived, and we opened them up and they were fliers that said whatever happened to the secret ballot because what had happened is the democratic establishment, you know, governor king and senator mcintire, who were all supporting johnson, had pledge cards that they were sending out. had you to publicly pledge your allegiance to the president, and that seemed a bit disconcerting to some of us that, you know, we were going to be suspect, but it was able to turn it around and say whatever happened to the secret ballot? it mailed you think about what is our democracy all about if you have to publicly declare allegiance to the governor. i was pretty, you know, young and enthusiastic.
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i knew that i was glad that we had a candidate for president and knew we would end the war, and the way we would do it is just by convincing enough people. like everybody else my age, i began proselytizing to my parents. at some point my father was, you know, a disabled vet, world war ii veteran who almost instinctively, you know, supported the war, but we had lots of conversations with my mother who had seven kids and was thinking about what the future was going to be for them. we had the experience of my cousin who was a marine coming back in a wheelchair, and gradually i think myself and some of my other high school peers, you know, convinced our parents and our cousins and our aunts and uncles that they should vote against the war. i remember though how awful it was to see the signs that, you
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know, a vote for mccarthy was a vote for a knohanoi. somehow my motivation to become involved in the political process and supporting a president had nothing to do with wanting to betray my country. i actually wanted a country that exhibited the best. i have -- you went through my old high school year book from 1968. here's what happened at the high school in hampton. paul, as you know, mccarthy might have come to hampton, and you can see what was happening in march of 1968 at winnekunet high, basketball nash yeah, basketball sprawleding. >> we beat you? >> yeah. senator mccarthy, and then the science fair. >> it's interesting. i was really -- i watched -- the
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night of the new hampshire primary i was so excited because i knew that we had changed the world. it's pretty exciting at 15 to know that knocking on doors and dropping off leaflets and licking stamps can change the world, and i knew we would end the war in vietnam that night. and then, you know, events came tumbling down. i watched on television when lyndon johnson said i will not campaign for and i accept the nomination for the president of the united states and head toe think about the trail that was sitting in the parking lot in the town where we all gathered, and we ended up forcing a president of the united states to resign from office. there's a lot of legacy that i think that comes out of that mccarty campaign. i know for me within a year i was back involved in politics. i came here to the state houmpingstatehouse.
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i testified in rep's howl in support of a bill to lower the voting age from 21 to 18 because the enthusiasm generated by the mccarthy campaign, the anti-war. we knew if only 18 to 21-year-olds vote, that would easily have turned the tide against the war, and so that was kind of, you know, a direct line from the mccarthy campaign to the work that, you know, continued to do here in the state here and the communities. one thing though that was sad is i looked through this high school yearbook. i remember i looked at a picture of steve philbrick who was a friend of mine who 15 months after the new hampshire presidential primary came back -- had graduated from high school. came back from vietnam in a casket on june 6th, 1969, and from that mr. jim pachulis was
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one. co-chairs of the hampton mccarthy campaign. put a sign up on his car that said vietnam sucks, and a couple weeks later that car was firebombed, and the failure of the war to end also prompted me to be, you know, memories of walking two-person picket lines or vigils on morelli square on route 1 in hampton, myself and my brother, two boys and police cruiser demonstration, holding signs to end the war, and it was very frustrating i think to go through a cycle and come back and four years later to still be talking about the war during the 1972 primary. but at least i took some solace in the fact that i could cast my vote there. anyways, i think that, you know, what i learned as a 15-year-old, you know, working for mccarthy was probably the most transformational political experience of my life.
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>> mark stevens. i was in southwestern new hampshire, 17 years old when this all started. i suppose my father was as big an influence on the way i spent that piece of the late winter. he was -- he shows up as the -- as one of the first nine donors to the entire mccarthy campaign and in david's book, i was surprised to find him there, the magnificent sum of $2, but nevertheless. anyway, it was -- he was not the only influence. this was very much in the air and very much among my friends, and we -- and i was -- it turned out to be enthusiastic in the cause. we had -- in keene, new hampshire, we had a remarkable i think little strategy group, the
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core group there. we tended to meet at the house of connie wood, and the other people involved, the felds and gregorys, there were several couples involved and david in his book gives a lot of credit to the remarkable qualities of that -- of that keene group who -- who in certain ways i believe set the tone for a lot of the organizing that went on subsequently. anyway, i was nothing but a foot soldier. i would pick up the fliers and whatever and head out -- and head out canvassing door-to-door over a -- i guess a reasonably decent swath of territory, and i met with nothing butp -- all of the encounters were really quite -- were very civilized.
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new hampshire i'l new hampshirites were very social about these things and if it didn't bring you around sort of at least listening to you and sending you off with a good luck kind of wish even if you guess that had they necessarily wouldn't be voting for gene mccarthy in the end. and it was kind of thrilling. i'm kind of shy. had i think by temperament and not a forward personality, and i must say stepping on to the streets for the first time as a canvasser was -- was very scary, and then -- but then i would always realize that within a couple of minutes i was really enjoying this, and it was really -- you know, it was really fun actually going around from one -- from one door to the next and not having the slightest idea who you're going to meet with but kind of becoming really pretty --
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becoming -- soon becoming quite confident that people at least were going to be decent in the way that they received you, and you might actually change some minds. speaking of changing minds, i -- i always recall that it seemed to me that the most effective of all the fliers that we had, and there were a number of them, was the one in my -- in my experience, was the one that had the picture of general douglas macarthur with the famous quote that anyone who gets the united states involved in a land war in asia should have his head examined, and this was apparently a controversial, and when it first came from the -- the ad poem who had devised it and david ho and gene mccarthy had to discuss whether this was something appropriate that should actually go out there, and they -- they finally decided
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that, yes, it was fine. i've got to stay in my experience it was -- i took to putting on top of all the fliers so it's the one that would catch people's eye. if they saw nothing else, at least they would have douglas macarthur there, and the -- and it struck me -- it was very interesting to be reminded recently from my reading about the polling that took place. there were even exit polls, polling that took place around the new hampshire primary -- in the wake of the new hampshire primary that ukd indicated that most mccarthy voters in new hampshire were in favor of the war in vietnam. and even a poll commissioned by lbj himself maybe that indicated that they were overwhelmingly in favor of the bombing in vietnam. it seems very counterintuitive, but i -- i guess -- i don't know
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that anybody has shown that this was -- that this was misleading. i wonder -- i don't know exactly what it says, but i think -- one thing that occurs to me is that for all of the criticism that mccarthy received over that year for his qualities as a candidate, all the ways in which he was lacking, quote, lacking as a candidate, you know, sort of the coolness, the intellectuality, the -- the elevated language that he was so good at wielding. i sometimes wonder if they -- if a lot of people didn't mislead -- didn't get him wrong in a way and that the fact that even all of these voters who were are in favor of the war in
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vietnam were in fact casting their vote for gene mccarthy. i think it says something that it may be kind of confusing, but it is -- i think it says something about his -- to me it seems as though it says something about his remarkable qualities as a candidate which were -- which were, of course, he was not the candidate for everyone, but he was -- but he sure seemed in new hampshire at least he really seemed to get through to a lot of people by his manner, by his -- i don't know, by his dignity and by his bearing and language and -- and it's -- it remains -- remains a mystery to me but i still -- i think he was not a person to be underrated. anyway, ended the year by hitch-hiking out to the convention with god knows what in mind, but i was very -- emotions were running very high,
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and i think just the emotions after the assassination of martin luther king and then bobby kennedy i think were really very hard things for a lot of people to really to assimilate, and somehow there was just a rawness of all of this that was somehow i think impelling a lot of people to head out there in spite of the threats that had been -- that mayor daley had been very good at xhoupcating to the nation ahead of time. anyway, it was a pretty fascinating time out there. i managed to avoid getting beaten quite really by luck as much as anything else. i -- on the big day of the convention, the wednesday my friend connie wood, an alternate delegate contrived i think to be ill, under the weather and she passed me her alternate delegate credentials, so i was allowed to
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spend the entire day inside the convention hall. i must have been about the youngest person in the hall. it was a fascinating -- it was fascinating to see from the inside. it was chaos inside just like it was chaos outside, and we were -- and we up there in the balcony, alternate delegates were a very noisy part of the chaos inside and sandy was our -- was our leader. was our unquestioned leader and we were -- and we were -- and we were making an extraordinary, extraordinary amount of noise, whether or not -- i'm not sure how much could be heard by the tv -- by the tv recorders or whatever, but it was -- it certainly seemed to be making an impression up there, but the -- it was extraordinarily exciting and there was -- there was an
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enormous amount -- there was an enormous amount to see and it was such -- it was chaotic, chaotic in its eventfulness, and there was a weird lack of information sort of being imparted between the streets and the interior of the convention hall. nobody in those days had cell phones or anything of the kind, and there was no communication -- communication was pobollxed up but it was certainly an indelible moment in american life, and i think i'll stepstop there. >> very quickly. the california delegation walked out and they announced that the chair of the new hampshire delegation had been arrested. my parents and david's parents found out that way, that he'd
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been arrested and wisconsin made a big deal about it, too. >> before we turn to the republican ballot, i'm going to ask jim to give the johnson perspective. >> do i have to? can't i just go home and apologize? >> after listening to the mccarthy advocates and the children on the ballot or the ballot children, i can now understand why johnson comparatively speaking did not do very well in new hampshire. imagine if the ballot children had been able to vote. paul, one of the reasons, by the way, that mccarthy did so well in portsmouth was that i was chair of the johnson campaign, and i spent all that day at unh, and unh did not have many
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mccarthy -- many johnson supporters. in fact, i had to convince two friends of mine from my dorm to hold signs for johnson, and the way i did it was i promised them a six pack that night, and, in fact, i think we had two because of the news, although i think both of them were supporting mccarthy. the johnson campaign was not very well run. the ballot -- the pledge ballot or the pledge card that a couple of the mccarthy supporters referred to, and i got this from -- from susan roman who is from durham and has collected some incredible things. she's given this to me. i'm going to put it on ebay. just kidding, susan. was a three-part ballot or card that supposedly a vote was
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supposed to put his name down and then fill out the information letting people know how to get her, and a white house copy would be send supposedly to lyndon johnson. i'm sure he didn't look at them, at least not after the primary, that essentially said i pledge to vote for you, and i support you as president. my brother was very involved in the johnson campaign. he was a lecturer at the university of new hampshire. he's been written up in david ho's book. there's pretty much a full chapter. my brother who was known then and still is, he lives just outside of washington as a bit of a maverick, as perhaps i am, kind of created some controversy in the johnson campaign by pointing out that some hatch act supporters for johnson, were getting -- you know, they were on the government payroll, were
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participating in the primary, and i certainly saw that firsthand in portsmouth. but both of us supported johnson on the basis of we did not want to see richard nixon elected, and we felt that if -- if johnson and the democratic party had been in an infight, that very possibly nixon would be able to win in november. my brother debated -- my brother was one of the co-chairs on the state level for johnson's campaign. he was 27 at the time. now he's an old man. he's seven years older than me, he debated alan lorenstein who went on to become a congress person that year and as you know was murdered about a decade later after he left congress by somebody who came to his office, a great man though.
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after alan lornestein gave his presentation, my brother said i agreed with everything you said about mccarthy, but that we should not be dividing the democratic party because richard nixon would win. now, that -- that was a reason why i supported johnson as well, although i really in my heart supported bobby ken dishes and i was glad that he ran and offered himself as president, but that was not a good reason to not support gene mccarthy. and, in fact, i had the chance, like so many other people in portsmouth and at unh to meet paul newman, shirley mcclean. i met so many other actors and celebrities supporting mccarthy because johnson's campaign was totally void of all of that. we didn't even have a
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presidential candidate visiting. when you actually think about it, it's remarkable that johnson had as many write-ins as he did, because write-ins themselves are very difficult to do on any ballot, especially one that had so many different names because people were running for delegate as well, and especially in those communities where people had to vote by machine, where you actually, you know,ing checked a box with a lever in those days and try to find out where do i exactly put a name to write it in. so comparatively speaking johnson -- johnson's campaign did well, and what i learned later on is the purpose of the pledge card which was initiated in state by organizers, democratic organizers for johnson was so that they would have a database. they didn't have computers in those days. they would have a database, the democratic party would have a database to be able to continue
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to organize. however, because the democratic party was so argued by a hierarchy that supported johnson and opposed mcgovern and mccarthy and then mcgovern four years later and -- and opposed the kinds of reforms that needed to be brought, the party really took a while after 1968 to be able to recover. you're right. the mccarthy supporters are right, that the body bags, and i saw that at unh. i was a student there. friends of mine after the lotteries, and you saw that your lottery number was like under 100, you know, in those days to be drafted. there was a lottery and all 365 numbers were taken up, and if your birthday was on a certain date you knew when you were going to go. i was always in the upper 100s, so i was pretty safe from being drafted, but when somebody knew that their number what is 100 or
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low -- was 100 or lower they dropped out of college in order to get a preferred support for whatever service they wanted to get in or they went to canada to avoid the draft. you're right. by seeing the body bags coming back home, by knowing people who we knew, friends of ours dying, my moms and dads having to bury their children at such a young age because of a war that really nobody wanted, and i think the reason really why lbj decided not to run again was he was -- he was stuck. he couldn't figure out how to get out of the war. he was tied in too much with military, industrial complex, and he probably wasn't feeling all that good. he didn't do well in new hampshire, so by the end of the month he said the hell with it all, and he decided to let others step up, and, you know,
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we know the result. i will say one last thing about the primary and the passion that the ballot children had and the passion that a lot of people nationwide brought to the -- brought to the election process and wanted to campaign and get involved in politics. because of the division that we saw in new hampshire between democrats fighting with democrats. i mean, people did not talk with one another for years if they were supporting johnson or if they were supporting mccarthy, and four years later if they were supporting mcgovern or muskie. because of that and certainly with the republicans several years later running into the watergate problems and seeing national politics on their party dissolve, there was a lot of lack of interest after a few years and continuing to do this to ourselves, and there were few people coming up to the plate and saying that new hampshire
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should keep the first in the nation primary even in state because what have we had done to ourselves, because it does create a lot of division, and that's when some of the other states started to see opportunities to jump ahead of new hampshire, so 1968 was really pivotal in that 12 primaries before 1968 we had the first one since 1920. kind of by default. no other state wanted to jump ahead of us. national parties, kind of laissez-faire but the two primaries we've had since 1968 there has often been a battle with the primaries and states in wanting to make new hampshire had a little less significant. it was a fascinating year. driving up today, by the way, i tried to remember exactly what i was doing 50 years ago. it's amazing that we all remember that, and i did some research when i got up this morning, about 4:00, on my computer and found out that 50 years ago the temperatures in
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concord were 26 degrees. there was no snow here, no snow for the rest of the week. we like to see that. there was a little snow in the north country. the gas price -- the gasoline price was 33 cents a gallon. a little bit more but with inflation adjusted it's not all that bad today compared to then. the minimum wage was $1.60 an hour, and if we had kept pace with that, the minimum wage today would be $16.50, so obviously we have a lot more to do. thank you. >> one of the articles i read said that people were going back to the mccarthy headquarters with snow on their heads that negotiate, so they must have been in the north country then, so the -- the republicans were supposed to be the party that had this big fight on their hands, and it didn't turn out to be that way, and so we're going to have ruth griffin, former
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counsellor and george roberts, the three-term speaker of the house talk about the republican ballot. >> thank you, mr. gardner. yes, we are going to talk about the republican ballot, whether you know it or not. there are still maybe a few of us around who knew what was going on in -- 50 years ago before that presidential preference primary day. we had walter peterson, an walter peterson was the backbone of what made that whole administration, whole election so successful for mr. nixon. there was a group organized by the title of the committee to do the right thing. i think, george, you were probably part of that. i know i was, but walter peterson got a large group of
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very young people in the state of new hampshire to come together to work to get some structure into the republican party and to build up the election base so that we would have some semblance. of course, walter peterson was with mr. richard nixon. george romney was toying around, and i didn't even know who he was, but i'll tell you that nelson rockefeller was in the state of new hampshire. he was romancing everybody all around, and when he came to portsmouth, he got all the predominantly republican men and women to go to the rockingham hotel which was a great thing at that time to have a little get-together which was ultra plus. lots of drinks. i think i had my first martini
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in that rockingham hotel. >> or the last one. >> yeah. started to build that terrible habit, but he really romanced the -- the republicans. the one night i'm talking about at the rockingham was early, you know, pre-dinnertime, and there was a big crowd there. when it was over, we all went up to the portsmouth high school because nixon was having a rally up there, so we got everything taken care of on the rockefeller side and we all went over to the high school to meet and greet with richard nixon. you know, listening to the -- the democrats, as they have been talking about the primary and what happened between the primary and the election, i don't want anybody to believe that the republicans were just
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sleeping. we were actually the sleeping giants who came forth on primary day and then again in november and were so selective in what they did and made sure that richard nixon became our next president. you know, i was up in my attic, and i'm not supposed to go up over the stairs, but i did go up in the attic because new hampshire has an archive here in concord. i have one in my attic, and in one of the polled bureaus up there on the bottom drawer was my husband's collection of what he did pre-marital, and he was chairman of clyde keith's election committee. clyde keith was up in dover, mayor of dover. he was running for governor and a few other things, and john kay
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was one of his coordinators. well, my kids don't even know where those papers are, but they are in that chest, but over on the other side of the attic are all these political signs and worn out political buttons of all the elections, but the most prized possession is a little paper bag that richard nixon handed to me, and there were all these buttons that said nixon's the one, and -- and after i handed out half of them, i thought, i better keep a few of those, but how many people in this -- in the state of new hampshire have such a place in their house where they remember all of these primaries, all of these elections over the years and how important it has been to the history of the united states
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of america. like mr. gardner, secretary gardner said in the beginning, we were apt to do things in the beginning, and maybe that's right. i used to campaign, and i would say new hampshire is great because it all started in the beginning in portsmouth, and we established in portsmouth and then we grew like a giant and went all over the state of new hampshire. and i still believe that was how we grew to be such a political state. we didn't always stay together naturally, but -- and i've got to tell you. of all the delegates who appear on that board, i pretty much know where they are. they are in a yard with a lot of snow on top of them right now, but i'm still here and so is george roberts, and we have a
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lot of wonderful memories of what went on before the presidential primary, and, of course, after the primary, well, i've got to say nelson rockefeller really didn't do too well because as you'll remember through the news media and underground they started bringing up about his divorce, and then they were having people say how do you feel about a president who has been divorced? and you would find that -- and george will explain that later, that i think once nelson rockefeller realized in new hampshire that wasn't really the thing to do if you wanted to be the president of the united states. >> not then. >> as for george romney, you know, it was years before i really got to the know him, because as has been said, he dropped out early and went home
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and started his own political career in another state, but we're very fortunate in the state of new hampshire. you know, i've got to tell you the thing that got me started. we've all kind of put our lives into what we are doing. 50 years ago i went to a lincoln day dinner and sat next to walter peterson, and this was after the organization of the committee to do the right thing. isn't that a ring to it, and he said, well, what are you up to, ruth? and i said, well, my baby is going to be 13 on mr. lincoln's birthday, and i told my husband as soon as my sentence has been served and i've got five kids grown to be teenagers and none of them had the police at the
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door and we've never had to go to court, and i said i think i should be able to go out and do something on my own. so the committee route griffin to do the right thing was to get involved in politics, so it started before the primary with my mentor, walter peterson, and here we are today a few years later, and i'm reminiscing about a wonderful life in the state of new hampshire, and we're still doing the right thing. george, it's your turn. >> thank you. now you know why ruth griffin was appointed house majority whip, first woman appointed and the first true designation that it was a part of the leadership, and as you probably know in the parliamentary process, the whip gets you votes, so it was ruth's obligation to make sure we had
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the votes before we voted, and i remember robert reich, the minority leader after a successful day coming up to me, the democratic leader, a great guy, and say how come you win every damn time? i said because we're the majority. sitting here, i got sad that we got to the end of the other side of the table thinking about the history and depending where you are in age and where you are in conscious memory, you have to realize the young people in the 18, 19, 20, 25 age group had grown up in families where there was a war almost seemingly constantly. i call myself a war baby because i can distinctly remember the
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sounds of hitler and mussolini on the bbc as we crowded around the radio and listening on the sunday night news, and subsequently watching what is happening to my family as five were in the military services on the seas, several have been torpedoed. well, they all came back alive, and then as i walked into my high school, we now have the korean war. and the korean war was sort of a war that was forgotten. people did it and came home. thought they were doing their patriotic duty, and believed they were for the most part, and we tried to forget it, but in my age period had gone past the point of being a draftee because i volunteered right off. because you knew you were going to get chosen so you went in, and i went into the coast guard
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and came out and went immediately to the university of new hampshire. there i started getting involved. there was a fellow named spaulding, a former executive counsellor, peter spaulding, and he was the chairman of the republican party. the university campus had two rooms where democrats met and republicans met, and sometimes they met on the same night and sometimes we would go downstairs and sometimes we would take a drive to dover where we could get dimeys, what was called a cab. for me i grew up in a family that was very political. had run for offices in other states, not countries, but states, and -- and i was brought up to believe that it's almost like a boxing match, that you get in the ring and you mix it up, and when the bell rings and it's over, you come back and you
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hit the gloves, like people do now, right? it means friendship, and in new hampshire for those this progra remember at the time we were all young people pretty much. new hampshire was smaller so the total amount of people voting was smaller, but new hampshire was put together like a good organization should be put together, it had town committees, we elected chairmen, it had county committees where you elected a chairman and of course we had the state delegation and people would go to the state convention and create a platform such as it was. so they were organized right on down the lie and the democrats pretty much the same way. so everybody was involved. someone asked me one night when i was with marshall, they say
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what's new hampshire's favorite sport. we were sitting around in some lounge i guess you could say and marshall said our favorite indoor sport is politics because everybody was seemingly involved. now, the campaign itself it seems like everybody is touched about the same people around here, so i will talk about the people i touched that were remotely involved. i was hired by a group called -- i believe the name was princeton research. it had nothing to do with the university of princeton, but it paid well, and i had to get through 45 doors and with a questionnaire of about 40 questions and produce that and bring them back to my employer and they were fanned out in the
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durham new market, dover area, so-called bellwether part of the state of new hampshire that if you get the proper sampling you could get a very good reading on people's opinion. so i went around door to door. it was not too difficult in some towns, but i noticed even in my own thoughts on a poor area, on a rich area, i'm talking to millworkers and talking to university employees, i'm talking to a lot of people in the middle. one question that struck me at the end is that after you found out they knew there was more than one united states senator in the state, there were many that didn't, and after you found out they had voted three or four times, you looked for the constancy of their effort, you said, would you vote for a presidential candidate who is divorced?
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and, you know, the bell curve is, it was a perfect bell curve. if you are a roman catholic, protestant denominations, jewish and even other right there smack in the middle was a big, big fat no. i hate to think of it -- well, i'm thinking that maybe that report went to rockefeller. maybe that report went to his opponents and maybe that was used to get rockefeller off to the side because he did have an immense amount of money to use in a primary. serani went to vietnam and came back and made the one word, i was brainwashed. it wasn't political parties that got him off the ticket, it was the media. there was a bombast so bad that people say, you know, what's wrong with this guy?
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he went there and he doesn't believe in america. and so as i work through this memory just quickly, i'm thinking i remember the second world war, i was in high school in the korean war, i was active chasing russian submarines in the north atlantic which told me there was a strong cold war and then there's this vietnam war, and now people want to run the country, want to be a president and this issue is coming to the top and the statistical things i had to do in school taught me a lot about new hampshire. new hampshire had a very high percentage of people who would serve the now services. south carolina is -- they always saw it's born in south carolina. they have big bases there, but a lot of people in new hampshire served in the armed services through all these different wars, so they had strong
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feelings, wanted to be patriotic, but also wanted some analytical truth. as we look back through it we can say now because we didn't know for certain there was a disengagement from what the military was feeding probably our united states president and a disengagement of what the public was getting through the media and a disengagement or a feeling from politicians that they didn't want to lose one, they probably were looking for the hope of what happens if we hang on. so now to nixon. nixon wrote several articles for some think tanks, some were published in political journals that have the circulation of
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2,000 and i guess you would call him a globalist today. he looked at the whole world, what was happening. despite all the things that happened after that, as a quaker he didn't really like the concept of war because he made comments that the war only gets you to a table where you then finally settle it with a treaty, but getting to the table is a very disastrous thing that societies have to do in order to keep the peace for all the other people who don't have the strength to keep the peace. so this has been a republican position for a long time, peace through strength. democrats picked it up off the slogan a little bit, but everybody believes that -- i say everybody, but many people believe in politics that you
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have to have military strength that you don't want to use and you can't use in the concept of what's called mad, mutual destruction with a nuclei of bombs. republicans and many independence and some democrats felt that johnson hadn't done enough to get it over with and mixon showed a little hope that he was thinking of a way to resolve the vietnam war and conclude it, and of course that did ultimately happen. it was messy, but it happened. but the idea of why we got into vietnam before was never truly discussed which started way back with a person who is beloved, jack kennedy, by bringing in
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special forces i will call them into cambodia and vietnam to help the french. that policy has continued. so there's plenty of evidence to show that we should have not gone in there for military reason if we weren't ready to go all the way and challenge what was in the chinese power. so that was nixon's, i think, strength with a lot of people who were moderates. we look at the republican party at the time, gentlemen, ladies, the republican party at the time in its leadership were considered moderate people and walter peterson's leadership and others got myself to pass out slips and everybody didn't know who to vote for so we made a little ballot, here is the names. take it to the ballot box and go inside and write it down.
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we didn't win the election, but it did get us younger people involved in politics and to understand that there are some strong differences of opinion and when it's all over we've got to touch base again and see if we can work for the next four-year period. it was -- it was really kind of a wrenching feeling listening to the opposition, which had strong points, and then listening to the candidate or the supporters who were really leaning hard on patriotism and the tradition and we must win this war or we will lose the global strategy that the united states and the state department through all the administrations had supported.
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thank you. >> now we're going to have joe mcquaid because of his unique newspaperman experience talk about both parties from that perspective. >> thank you, mr. secretary, and thanks for putting this on. it's a great history lesson and i think it underlines what new hampshire brings to the national table every four years. where people in towns and cities get out in favor of a candidate and try to impress their neighbors about it. i'm much longer than bill, i was only a freshman at unh, he was already a sophomore, so i wasn't paying much attention to the 1968 campaign except as it regards the draft and vietnam.
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my dad would have written the editorial that said mccarthy is a vote for hanoi. as a matter of fact, he did write that editorial. in it here is my father's logic, he said that people shouldn't be for johnson because he is not prosecuting the war correctly. they certainly shouldn't be for mccarthy because he is a comy for hanoi. if the good people of new hampshire on the democratic ballot want to do something they should write in richard nixon. richard nixon did not get a lot of votes on the democratic ballot, however, gene mccarthy got more than 5,000 votes on the republican ballot and this revisionist history that somehow a vote for mccarthy was still a vote in favor of the war, i think somebody at the "new york times" or somebody is drinking
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the kool-aid. i was at unh when george romney who was still in before he made his famous i got brainwashed remarks came down and my newspaper which is great on names for people was calling romney chihuahua george. is there anybody in this room besides bill who knows what that means relative to romney, chihuahua george? he was born in mexico. his parents were mormons and there was some question as to whether he could serve as president should he be elected, but that never came to pass. rockefeller was quite the force and if people had to be reminded that he had been divorced, they only had to go to william lobe and the william leader who famously wrote on the front page, rocky is a wife swapper.
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the national press which we're getting to be interested in this guy lobe said, but you've been married before, and lobe said, yeah, but i'm not running for president. what those people and very few people knew at the time was that william lobe had been married three times. they also didn't know that when nixon decided he was going to run, which was 1967, his first hire was a young guy named patrick j. buchanan, and one of the first orders of business for pat by nixon was to go up to the north shore of massachusetts and try to win over this guy bill lobe. so pat went, became great friends with both bill and knacky lobe, became such friends that when romney is out and as a
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write-in effort being staged in 1968 by bill's buddy hugh greg for rockefeller, pat buchanan writes a piece called "nels the knife" which says rockefeller trades in his republican friends, he cut out romney, he cut out javatz, et cetera. this piece appeared on the front page of the manchester union leader under the by line of william lobe, but pat had written it for him. and when pat and nixon fly into grenier field in manchester that morning for a campaign appearance, a guy runs up on the plane and excitedly hands nixon the union leader with william lobe's editorial. mixon reads it and says, pat, why can't you write like that?
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back on the democratic side, i think it shows the power of the newspaper in manchester because the guy who was the campaign manager for gene mccarthy had started the new hampshire sunday news with my dad in 1946, a gentleman named blair clark. how the hell blair clark and b.j. mcquaid ever got along and they only did for a year is beyond my understanding, but blair later became president of cbs news when john kennedy was president and he later edited the nation magazine and i became friends with him. nice guy. and my uncles were reporters on that paper along with a kid who according to my father he only got the job because his aunt put up some of the money, it was a kid named ben bradlee. and he didn't last long, either.
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the new hampshire primary is so important to the body politics of the united states and mr. gardner here does a great job protecting that, although he was a little chagrin this morning when the only question asked of him of the tv news was about town meeting day tomorrow and what he's going to do. thanks for having us, billy. >> do we have time for a question or two? go ahead. >> [ inaudible ]. i know some of you served in the house with bob. he is in florida, he turned 81 years old last month. he said he would much rather play golf in florida than shovel snow? new hampshire and i'm sure you can understand that. 1968 was a big year for bob, that's the year he and my mother-in-law mary had his fifth child and the year he became
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minority leader of the house at 31 years old. four years later ran for governor of new hampshire. mr. lobe gave him the name broad-based bobby because he was an income tax supporter. to this day we still have people ask my wife are you related to broad-based bobby. to this day bob has nothing but great things to say about mr. lobe as you can imagine, but i'm glad to be here to represent bob. >> bob is still pro nating his wrists when he swings the club at 81. i wanted to mention one other thing, it was a shock to people when lyndon johnson decided he was not going to run again based on that new hampshire primary result. that wasn't the first time it had happened in new hampshire. there was a reference in that slide show to a guy named kiefoffer and it was just a reference, but, in fact, in 1952
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estes kiefoffer challenged truman. truman didn't even want to be on the ballot. truman said ballots were eye wash, but somebody talked him into putting his name on the ballot and kiefoffer cleaned the floor with him. three weeks later harry truman said, that's it, i'm not running again. the other piece from 1968 on the republican side, william lobe was a very strong backer of richard nixon. i don't know how much it had to do with the fact that william lobe wanted to get his buddy jimmy hoffa out of jail and nixon as president would hold the keys to the cell. >> a true story. >> i want to thank all of you for this. this very unique piece of american history and history here. so 50 years ago right now the last of the towns that opened their polls was at 11:00, so
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everyone was voting 50 years ago exactly right now and the result of that voting had the biggest impact on our primary than any other primary since or before. there were 12 primaries and then this one was the 13th and then there were 12 after. in 2020 we will be celebrating the 100th anniversary of being first, and the big change was 1968 because the country saw something that -- there were only 14 states that had primaries that year and new hampshire was talked about for almost five weeks about what happened, how did this happen, was it just the young people, was it the issues now were
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turned upside down and people in washington realizing that the wall was much more significant in people's minds than they ever thought. so in honor of david hull who two years ago said this would be a really good idea, and i want to thank pat farrell whose husband bill was a delegate at the democratic convention with sandy and with paul, famous picture in a chicago park, he was in that picture with paul. he saved a lot of memorabilia and passed that along to us and pat is here somewhere. pat, are you -- >> she left. >> okay. she must have -- i talked to her before at the beginning of this. so, anyway, that's -- edith.
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>> i'd like to thank you very much for taking the time to put this together. it's really an outstanding program. and i hope that you can make the film, not just the short film, but the two hours of tape available to every high school and college in new hampshire. >> thank you. >> anyone else? >> oh, sue roman. sue roman. is sue roman here? >> she is. >> right there. >> oh, okay. thank you. sue also has quite a collection she brought that's over here and i know -- thank you, susan, for doing that. >> to save my future, can i just mention that i called my brother an old man and i really didn't mean that? >> okay.
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well, with that thank you. >> i just want to put one oar in the water that hasn't been there. since 1967, and i don't know who owned the new hampshire highway hotel at that time, whether dick morton still owned it or not, but the background of every candidate was discussed there. after the legislature when all 424 and everybody -- all the lobbyists would end up after a session, it was over to the highway hotel because all the candidates would have their operation over there and if you didn't get it upstairs in the legislative sessions, you got it over there. more policies and procedures were discussed over in that highway hotel than anywhere else in the state of new hampshire, except for the manchester union leader. >> with that, ruth, you have the
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last word. thank you. [ applause ] tonight american history tv in prime time continues with our series 1968: america in turmoil. focusing on the 1968 presidential campaign. we will hear from former white house special assistant and communications director of the nixon administration, pat buchanan, who worked on richard nixon's 1968 campaign and presidential studies director at the university of virginia's miller center, barbara perry.
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american history tv in prime time begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span 3. this afternoon on c-span is discussion with justice department officials on privacy, the law and government surveillance. it's part of the international association of privacy professionals global privacy summit. you can watch it live at 1:30 p.m. eastern on c-span. later today a panel on how international crime organizations use the internet and the postal system to get opioids into the u.s. we're live with the u.s. helsinki commission, also known as the commission on security and cooperation in europe starting at 3:30 p.m. eastern on c-span. sunday night on q & a, high school students from around the country were in washington, d.c. for the annual united states senate youth program. we met with them at the historic
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may flower hotel where they shared their thoughts about government and politics. >> and i'm really passionate about daca. it is unfair that 700,000 men, women and children's lives hang in the balance because our congress cannot find a solution. it is not a democratic issue, it is not a republican issue it's a human rights issue. >> and an issue that's very important to me is climate change, the notion that we are the only country in the world that is not in the paris climate accords is a travesty. every other country in the world has recognized the detrimental impacts of climate change and has taken steps to address it and currently we have not stayed on course with the other countries. >> we are the richest nation in the world, yet we have citizens who go bankrupt trying to cover basic healthcare costs and i think that is an outrage and that we should be ashamed. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q & a. this 1968 campaign film created for republican richard
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nixon shows the former vice president meeting voters in new hampshire and wisconsin. nixon went on to win primaries in both of those states on his way to securing the gop nomination. he then defeated democrat u better humphrey and independent candidate joe rj wall laws in the general election. this film is courtesy of the richard nixon presidential library and museum. in an age of impersonal political campaigns, new hampshire is one of the few places where people have a chance to meet the candidates as well as read about them. the new hampshire presidential republican primary the start of the 1968 campaign trail. from the beginning, the candidate who really has been seen and heard by the people of new hampshire is richard nixon.

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