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twitter. always appreciate the time. >> c-span, washington journal live everyday with news and policy issue that is impact you. coming up friday morning, barbara lee will come to the studio to talk about potential military action against syria. and congressman buddy carter will join us in talking about congress's role in the opioid crisis. join the discussion. >> next a house hearing on the national guard's 2019 budget request. and sun any perdue on the budget for next year and montana gov nar steve bullock. and the implications of russian president vladimir putin's re-election. >> the chief of the national guard and several rereceiver
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chiefs brief on the president 2019 budget request for the commands. this is just over two hours. the subcommittee will come to order. holding a hearing on the national reserve guard reserve components. two panels, during one topics related to the army and air national guard and guard joint initiatives. general joe lengyel, welcome we appreciate you being here today
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to allow members to gain knowledge about this area. continue to reiterate the subcommittee that is vital to the members of the committee that we hear from the military leadership and making decisions regarding funding and the future direction for the national defense. additionally, the committee wishes to recognize the sacrifice of two officers who died on march 15th when the helicopter crashed in western iraq. and two air force reservist and officer died. our deepest sympathy to the family of the victims. a lot to cover but i wish to highlight that the guard continues to be deployed around the world and the most recent national news is the president's recent announcement to use guard troops to defend the border between united states and
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mexico. the committee has many questions and i hope we are able to address all today. i would like to call on the ranking member. >> first thing, thank you for being here. i've been taught here's ago if you are ahead be quite and move on. i will refer back to the chairwoman. i will be leaving soon, last two days, we had defense hearing three in a row. after my questions, i will be moving on. >> the slide attendants has nothing to do with your appearance and the importance of the issues. the people on this subcommittee are on -- usually three subcommittees total and they're very experiences so they will try to be here and then their appointments and questions are important in other committees too. so mr. general lengyel, would you like to make opening remarks and then move onto questions.
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please proceed. >> thank you very much for having me here today. distinguished members of the subcommittee. it is a pleasure to be here today and at this time i submit my full written statement for the record. the national guard consists of 344,000 soldiers and 106,000 airmen of the international guard. representing the finest national guard in the 381 year history and i'm honored to represent them along with the families, communities and employers who support them in. national defense strategy, deterring war and protect the security of our nation. in supporting the national defense strategy, my focus remains on the three missions. the guard is tremly appreciative for the committee's support to enable us to accomplish these
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missions. on any given day, approximately 20,000 men and women work as part of the joint force in protecting the nation's interest on every continent. 850,000 deployments since 9/11 conducting operations around the globe supporting commanders in every geographic combat and command. allowing us to leverage years of experience to help confront security challenges. in the homeland, your investment supports on average, about 8,000 guard soldiers and airmen everyday can you be thing domestic homeland security and defense operations. as you know, the department of defense is signing our guards men under the command authority of the state governors, with the border security mission. your international guards fighter wings protecting the
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nation's skies in 16 control sites including the skies over the capitol today. the guard has over 60% of the department of defense chemical biological raid logical and nuclear response forces that are positioned throughout the united states. our cyber force will grow to 59 units across 38 states by fiscal year '19, in addition to the existing 54 army national guard cyber elements. soldiers and airmen in the program and coordination with law enforcement agencies and other partners, protect, interdict, disrupt and curtail drug trafficking across the national. missile defense baa tallians defend the nation as we speak. on top of all of this, the national guard stands ready to
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respond to emergencies, hurricanes, wildfires, flooding and assist law enforcement during times of civil unrest. missions the national guard performs with little or no notice. this past year over 45,000 men and women of the national guard responded to hurricanes, harvey, maria and irma and fire fights across the numerous states. the national guard called 255 times and served more than 1.8 million mandates responding to the homeland emergencies in fiscal year '17. our preference sence need us. in the war fight and homeland operations helps build enduring partnerships with international federal state and local partners. the national guard through state
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partnership program currently partners with 79 nations. this low cost/high return program, coalition efforts around the world. on the federal and local level, our partnerships ensure a speedy response with unity of effort during time offense domestic crisis. our nation is facing a revolving security challenges and thankful for the committee's recognition and support of your role homelanded and abroad. this committees support allows our force to perform across a broad spectrum of contingencies home and overseas. today's operational national guard requires balanced modernization and
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recapitalization on platforms such as f-35 and kc-46 and ensuring the national guard is a seamless interoperable supporting the national defense strategy. programs allowing the national guard to level attributes to strengthen relationships overseas and counter illegal drugs. again, i am honored to be here representing the men and women of the national guard and the families who support them, thank you for the continued support and i look forward to your questions. >> thank you so much. i want to make members aware of course, that we'll be using a timer and each member -- we'll start out with five minutes. we have two panels, it depends how many people come in.
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you'll have a yellow light on the timer for the witnesses and when it shows that you have one minute remaining, it will be yellow and turn to red. thank you for your opening remarks and reminding all of us about the unique duties and responsibilities of the guard. we visited yesterday and you were kien to talk about this and because there are people who are working in other jobs most often during the time so it take as great deal of commitment from those in the guard and also from their employers so it is unique and i know that we all appreciate them so much. because in our own community we have seen what they have done so many times. i would like to start with a question that is probably most on people's minds now with the guard. so i'd like you to give an
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announcement on the support on the border. if you know, how many forces are we talking about? where will they be deployed? what kind of role will they p y play? and is this role with applicable laws? and what is the pentagon's plan to pay for the forces? i'm sure you can't answer everything, but answer what you can and let us know how to prepare for the future. >> yes, chairwoman. thank you for the question. it conveys a unique capability that the national guard has in the homeland. last week on the fourth of april, the president had a proclamation suggesting that the national guard will be used in a title-32 status to help the department of defense assist the department of homeland security and border security mission.
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the border security mission effectively is a national security issue and the secretary of defense in coordination with the secretary of homeland security are working together to increase the security on the southwest border. using the national guards of the states and right now it is only the states along the southwest border, texas, mexico and as and soon to be california perhaps. to deploy the national guard in a title-32 status under the command and control of the governors to assist the custom and border protection agency with security of the border. as of right now, the way it is working, requiring requirements through dhs to the department of defense. the secretary of defense created a border security support cell in the staff that is validating those requirements. once those requirements are
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validated by the assistant secretary of defense for homeland security and defense which chairs it, they will relay to the national guard in the states to be filled with soldiers and airmen who can assist them in accomplishment. the mission and roles that they are playing are things that assist and free up the customs and border protection agents to go to the border and do law enforcement. the national guard is doing things such as surveillance, maintenance, engineering activities, such as transportation and aviation alike to free up the badges if you will, to put them on the border. the national guard is not doing direct law firm themselves. or hands on work with migrant issues as they come across the border and are apprehended.
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not by the national guard, the national guard is not doing that. as i speak to you today, there are 782 national guard soldiers on the border assisting them in the border security role. and the preponderance is in texas and arizona it is unknown what it will grow to be and if it is capped to a level of no higher of 4,000 total soldiers in support of the mission. in regards to funding, the funding is unknown. exactly how long it is going to last or how big and what the total funding operations are required to support it will be. in the secretary's of defense action memo on the sixth of april tasking the comptroller to ascertain sources of funding to support the effort.
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to make him aware of issues with respect to funding that may impact the mission sets. and if required to notify him of any reprogramming actions that may be necessary to a lot proper funding into the right places to conduct a mission and maintain the readiness of the force. and you know, i would ask that this committee look favorably on reprogramming action that would come this direction to use the funds that the national guard has appropriated for the readiness of the force such that we can use them to make the force ready for the longer term. >> thank you so much. yeah, they may have questions about that. we will go to mr. ruppersberger. >> when i totally disagree, i want to make a statement and get into my real question if i have
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time. i don't think this is really a waste of time for the national guard to be there. the presence rules more on the instinct than planning. i would hope that the secretary of defense and homeland security will be able to persuade him. if you look at the numbers as far as immigration, those numbers are done. the real issues are drugs and these are the issues we have to deal with. i would rather him take dea agents than the national guard. i think there are other things i think you can do. i want to talk about the issue of task force echo. and this is a groundbreaking army national guard task force supporting cyber command at fort meade and chairman frelinghuysen has it.
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and task force echo is successful and this mobilization will be continued by a new iteration of guard members. i applaud the decision to extend this to conduct critical cyber missions. the first of the kind and mobilization bringing soldiers from seven different states to conduct missions for u.s. cyber com. it makes our nation secure and enhances partnership and active components and addition and states as well. it has benefitted from the inclusion of experience and diverse backgrounds. my question is using task force echo, are there other initiatives you are considering in the field and what are the challenges you face supporting critical national needs? >> across the enterprise, the
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national guard is able to be a force provider and contribute to the cyber force nation. task force echo is a great example of what is going on in the national guard. i think that the contribution that this task force will make and has made -- >> i point it out because it is important to move forward and having national guard involved. the other question is you know the national guard plays a critical role in deterring russian aggression. the state partnership program created a top-notch cyber capability in astone ya. in august, 2017, the defense forces and -- entitled baltic jungle. i believe the operations are critical. and the national guard cyber -- my question in your opinion what
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is russia's assessment and i believe you have 500 people there now dealing on the issue and it is very successful. >> sir, i think the russians look at the national guard in cyber as they do across every other military operation we do. they see us part as the united states army and air force with similar capabilities and i think the national guard/cyber capability to bring special relationships that they have and in the program in astonia is successful. >> i yield back. >> thank you. >> chairman, frelinghuysen. >> thank you madam chair and thank you to the committee thank you for the remarkable things that the national guard does around the world. there is bipartisan support for the accounts and over the last
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two or three years and under the chairwoman's leadership, the accounts have been robust. and hopefully, the equipment that you requested are meeting some needs. and addressing the issues of readiness that affect the regular force as well as the national guard. i too, have some questions on the deployment. the secretary of defense was specifically authorized under title -- under title-32, section 502-f. is it authorization for 4,000? >> it is up to 4,000, yes sir. >> it is a little unclear to me maybe because it is a recent announcement. who is paying for what? you're making a plea for
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reprogramming which -- who is actually paying for what? >> i haven't made a plea for reprogramming yet because in my remarks, i hope to make it clear that we don't know what the total financial cost of this operation is going to be. so under 502-f, the authority title-32 it is federally funded temporarily using the account of the national guard to fund this operation on the border. and that is -- that's the money that i have. so i mean, that's the national guard. we'll use those funds to fund the validated requirements by osd. and authorized to the states to put on the border and so that is who is paying for this. >> so, what people are doing -- so is there a width and -- what
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people are allowed to do now. i know there are limitation that is your personnel cannot conduct civilian law enforcement activities, is that right? >> yes, sir. and the status says specifically that without explicit consent from the department of defense from secretary mattis, they will not do law enforcement activity on the border. >> there is that term, that the national guard and this is actually not just in this instance but in the past. correct me if i'm wrong, that the national guard referred to as of other duties in support of department of defense missions. is that -- is there -- do you anticipate other duties being given to you? and have they been given to the
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guard in the past? >> and we have performed duties in 502-f before. in 9/11 we were doing security and they are federally funded and under the control of the governors. it is a similar situation here. they are provided federal resources. again in support of the department of homeland security and cdp and in areas that cdp realizes they need assistance and their agents can be freed up to do more law enforcement operations. >> so is the border control, the department of homeland security likely to reimburse you for that or is that something you are carrying as an on going cost. >> i believe it is reimbursement
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is not mandated from the department of homeland security for this particular act. i would get back with you. i do not anticipate reimbursement. >> so obviously, this is a policy laid down. more information rather than less as it comes will be extremely beneficial to all of us here. thank you, madam chair. >> ms. kaptur. >> thank you, madam chair. thank you for your work. i'm going to focus on two areas initially. one is the state partnership program which for ohio means hungray and serbia.
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and the funding levels. if you can focus on that what you have requested compared to the current fiscal year and a suggestion. i just returned from ukraine and if we are going to win the battle and blunt russia's propaganda, we are going to have to deal with the soldiers in the field in a more effective way and one thing i have discovered is that many ukraine soldiers have ptsd and those who are surnt currently serving and younger soldiers and those who served years ago. my question is, how can you in your leadership role provide apps and devices where soldiers who have these illnesses would literally self-treat as opposed to having nothing in the field. do you have the capability using
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the defense-health capabilities that exist in the d.o.d. and the guard, ukrainian-speaking health professionals to get apps to people who are facing a third deployment to the front and they have pts with no help. how do we deal with that issue? >> so thank you for that question. california is engaged in ukraine. they have wide range of opportunities to help and integrate and assist the ukraine military forces in a wide number of ways all the way through combat and command. if they decide that is a good opportunity and good use of state partnership programs, those activities could be proposed in part of state
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opportunity. >> would you get somebody back to me, please? >> yes. >> and if there is funding to do that if it proves beneficial. >> yes, ma'am. i don't have funding that i'm aware of to develop apps and use them in the ukrainian system. that would probably require additional funding levels. in general with the state partnership program funding. we get about $16 million ayear and 8 through army air force and the rest is through a congressional. it is hard for us to use all of the congressional ad. with the budget and appropriation. we feel like we need twice that amount, about $29 million to get all of the state partnership activities. it has grown since ukraine was one of the original 13 members and now grown to 80 and i would
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make a pitch to say that -- >> thank you for pointing that out general. >> i want to make sure -- yield? >> i'm pleased to yield. >> okay. if i understand correctly so we are clear. you're at $16 million this that account today, general? >> yes, sir. >> and given circumstances and given the demand and increased requests, you would need $29 million? >> yes, sir. >> i wanted to move to the national guard counter drug program. ohio is heroin alley, in my district and discover to kill everyone in my district five times over. it is just staggering. so my question really is what
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are you doing on this front in cooperation with localities or at our ports of entry in order to try to stem the flow and deal with the crime associated with this? i sort of mimic mr. ruppersberger's comments. if we are going to send anybody to the border, the three buzzards who did this came from houston and they drove up and it was just -- i can't tell you what an impact it had across our community. the worrisome nature of all of this. >> yes, ma'am. the counter drug program provides great assistance to the local, state, federal tribal law enforcement agencies. every state has a different problem set in their individual states determining whether where
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the crime comes from and the specific problems and the oh rid oh ridge nation -- >> provide me a summary of the funding that you're asking for in this account. what currently exists, what could exist, the best practices across the country. i'm interested in ohio selfishly, but connected to every point of entry in texas and california. so i would like to know the broader perspective and who is in charge and i would like to meet with the people. >> the total program to run the drug program is about $200 million plus $20 million for the five schools. that's the total number we need. >> $220 million?
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>> yes. >> and that is at current levels? >> yes, ma'am. >> thank you. >> thank you, chairwoman. let me follow up with ms. kaptur's line of questioning on the counter-drug activities. this is an epidemic we have not seen the likes of. we are losing around 60,000 americans a year on prescription pill and heroin overdoses. now, we've had the sinister new twist to that as we begin to crack -- begin to successfully crack down on pills. heroin becomes cheaper and more available and now it's being laced with this god awful sedative. at least with pills, you knew the dosage. with heroin-laced sedative, you
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have know idea what the power of the dosage is. i'm sure if it is having an affect on your recruiting, is it not? the use of drugs? >> sir, recruiting is more of a challenge for us and people are excluded from joining the military because of previous drug convictions and the like. it is having an impact. i can't tell how much but it is. >> to follow up on ms. kaptur's question on the counter-drug budget items, you mentioned the five regional centers. the center criticizing -- the centers that the instructors are retired law enforcement people instead of national guards men. what do you say about that?
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>> we run the schools and it is combination of people. our goal is to provide the best stru instructors regardless of the background. some are national guard, airmen and contractors and i think that's what we try to do is keep them filled with the best instructors to get the best we can get. >> tell us what the centers are for and who runs them and why? >> five centers. they exist to use our expertise and law enforcement and many of our guard members are in the their lives law enforcement officers and professionals and they provide specific up-to-date current instruction on tactics and issues related to opioids and trafficking and the like.
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so that we can better detect, interdict and stop the flow of narcotics and illegal drugs across the nation. >> are the centers are stopping the use of drugs by national guardsmen? >> they don't focus specifically on preventative issues, that's not the role. it is to facilitate the law enforcement activities to stop, find, interdict elicit drugs and trafficking. >> i mean, we have the dea, we have local state police, local police. we have all sorts of people devoting themselves entirely to the counter-drug operation. why do we need these schools that are apparently trying to do the same thing as we have forces already there for? >> sir, i'm told these schools
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are extremely capable and valuable instruck tors. i haven't been to one myself, if you would like i will go to one and come to your office and give you a report on specific on the schools. >> we are spending a good deal of money on the five regional centers whose purpose i have no idea what it is and why the national guards are running the centers. why is that so? >> sir, i think that the individual states that run these as i said again, the law enforcement agencies that attend them say that the product is a useful product and it is a valuable school for the law enforcement agencies that go and i really don't have a better answer for you than that.
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>> well, can you get me something about it? >> i will, yes sir. >> there's no one -- all of us are deeply concerned about this horrendous epidemic sweeping the country. and we have to marshall our forces to tackle every element and these training schools may be critical, i don't know. i hope they are. but -- we need to know whether or not they are doing their job and why they are there. and is it a wise investment of our dollars? >> yes, sir. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you very much, madam chair. general, we continually talk about readiness in the subcommittee and it means something to the guard as well.
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could you given the approximately 344,000 soldiers and guard 60,000 are which active guard and reserve, tell us what readiness means to you and relative to making sure you are in top form. is there a need to change that ratio if you would as more full time so you are prepared? what does readiness mean to you in that regard? >> yes, sir. for us to quantify the readiness of our units and formation to do work time mission. is the most important thing we do. do we have the right people? do we have the right equipment? have we got the right training to do our military job so that we are assessed as capable to bring what we need to bring? i would tell you from a
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readiness perspective in the national guard, if we are to make our readiness better and higher. some things we have done to make the operational force ready is to add additional training devices like the army added from two combat training center rotations a year to four. that will help grow more ready brigade combat teams for the united states army. fundamentally, the force that generates that readiness so when they go to the training center they can do training at a high level. it requires full-time support inside the army national guard to build the foundational readiness we need. that full-time number is close to -- a little less than 60,000
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inside of the national guard. that is about of the total force that is about -- 16.5% of 343,000 people. i would offer to you that i think to increase our readiness, we need to raise the level of full-time support inside of the national guard. >> have you made a specific request as to what the number should be and what the additional cost will be? >> what we asked for this year is relatively small number. it is 440 additional recruiters. such that we can go recruit more people -- >> let me ask you this. the recruiters, if you had the resources of four more active guard and reserve for the readiness, could you effectively and efficiently use it and if so, could you provide the
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subcommittee with that number? >> yes, sir. i could. >> next question, i would ask it for the record. can you tell us what day you were informed that the new policy was used for the national guard on the border? >> -- >> when were you told about the change in your responsibility on the border, just what day? and secondly, were ucoyou consud and asked about your advice to the design to the new policy that day? i would be curious, were you? >> i was not. >> i would not go further. i would say i respect your service to the country and respect the position you have as chief of the reserve and i speak for myself, if i'm going to make a change to policy, i would at least talk to you. i have no further questions.
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>> thank you, madam chair. general thank you for taking care of the good people in georgia. we have a great team of men and women lead by joe gerard. my question is to the cyber mission teams and the objectives and i want to get your thoughts and understand about the road map and your plan to reach the full operation capability which is scheduled for 2024. the full operational capabilities to plan one time simultaneously all 11 teams or a plan to stagger it out. and share the challenges you face and whether or not you're currently on track to meet objectives for 2024. >> yes, sir. the 11 teams will stagger over
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time. the allocations of the school slots and train them to become cyber warriors. i think we are on track. to me, my latest number was 2022 that we thought we were going to have 11 teams up and trained and ready to go for the national guard. great examples of innovation in georgia is standing up a cyber cell at augusta university and the new one paid for by georgia as giving a national guard a piece in there to recruit some of the men and women going to school in the cyber field there. so i think we're on track. i think cyber is continues to be a growing part of everything we do and in our full spectrum competition across the globe in the cyber domain. >> that is good news on the progress and thank you for the partnership with the state and i
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know the state committed a lot of dollars to help out there. thank you for the work with them. and then admiral rogers described the guard cyber contribution as a search capability. can you describe where it would be used and give the forecast for the future. >> the army using the cyber differently. the air force has two cyber mission teams on duty all time. for six month period and they come off and two more comes on. in the army, they don't do it that way. the army looks for opportunities to search the force. they will call the forces to use them as the situation dictates. >> and then lastly, are there cyber missions the guard can contribute to that are routine
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and enduring in nature as you look ahead? anything we can help with and give direction on? >> every state has a cyber defensive operation team. it is a small team. some states are experiment meanting on how to use them broadly as a state active duty asset under the command of the governor. some states for election cycles have used their cyber operation and elements to actually, check the security of their state dot gov networks. there is room to grow in the space that the national guard has as a state asset. taking the trained cyber folks. >> thank you for your service and commitment and investment in this area. it is a new and growing and
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intense theater. i'm glad you are engaged in it. thank you, general. >> yes, sir. thank you. >> mr. mccollum. >> thank you, madam chair. good to see you general. thank you for everything you do. i'm going to go from one extreme to the other, i'm going to talk about modernization and recovery. they have something in common and that's making sure that our servicemen and women have what they need. i would like to get your thoughts on the aviation modernization program. since the active component to continues to lead on the reserves as an operational force globally. i think it is important that the guard benefit from the modernization of that that is happening. i would like to hear your thoughts on the necessity for the reserve component to benefit
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from modernization. you talked about readiness and training and there is the hardware that goes with the men and women we call to serve. in the fy-'19 budget that addresses army/aviation modernization. i would like to know the the plan going forward. and on recovery, as you know, puerto rico is still recovering from the devastation that hit from hurricane maria last year. i was just down in the island, madam chair ranking member looking at recovery work being done by epa and while driving to the park assets, i drove by the national guard. i didn't have enough time in my schedule to be in meetings with the guard, but i met national
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guard member who is proudly serve and instrumental in the recovery effort. i would like you to tell the committee what resources you don't have in puerto rico. still running on generators and four years out not having electricity and not due to the will power of the people in puerto rico co, but years of neglect from working with them to have what they need to be self-sufficient and resilient. puerto rico's economy was hit really hard by the great recession. they haven't recovered from the hurricane yet. the next hurricane season is on the way and they know about it. so i'd like to know how the economic situation is affecting your service members. some are still without power and have drills and things to do. unemployment is a significant concern and i'm wondering if
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you're seeing a drop in recruitment and retention because of the economy there but also because of the strain that the hurricane put on the people in puerto rico. taking care of their family, communities and being able to proudly serve in the reserve and guard components. >> thank you, ma'am. for those questions. with respect to modernization and aviation/modernization specifically. the difference, the operational reserve component we used modern nice the active kpaecomponent a cascade the other stuff and that's the way it worked. that -- i would advocate that model doesn't exist or work anymore. we are continuously deployed with the active component and train with them. when the active kpaecomponent g
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the old stuff -- as the army mode modernized the fleet of helicopters and tanks, i advocate inside of the pentagon that they modernize them in a manner. sometime it is is hard to do that. the army is a big organization and has modernization priorities. we are getting new black cox. last weekend had 120 hours of brand new black cox m-model and getting some as well. readiness of the force and modernization of the force is important. the army national guard, 24 are not likely -- even the army baa
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tallians don't have 24. that makes it difficult for the army national guard to be as ready in the business as we may need to be. should need to use all of our apache battalions at once they would not be as ready as we would wouldn't them to be because they don't have iron to be ready. so in general, we're part of the army's modernization plan and when they do their future vertical lift analysis and what's that going to look like we have a member of the national guard on that team and so when they figure out what that is we'll be part of it and my advocacy will be to modernize the national guard in a concurrent manner with the active component. with respect to puerto rico, i too was down there numerous times and hurricane maria devastated the place. it just absolutely devastated
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the place and it will be years before they are completely recovered and have done it. how long it will be before all of the people have power? i can't tell you. there's milcom required to repair the national guard facility and the like. there are still hundreds of puerto rico national guard soldiers that are on active duty to mitigate the impacts from that disaster. i think that it's going to be a long time before they recover. we continue to assist them in every way we can to make sure they recover from that devastation. >> madam chair, i think we should maybe ask if there's anything that this committee should be doing to support the national guard down there? their the first line of defense. it takes a long time to get down there. our park service, fish and wildlife, epa you -- they're still running on generators.
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>> thank you for that and i completely agree with you and thank you for taking the trip to see that. i think we sort of out of sight, out of mind on some of that and when you hear that they're on generators after this period of time, it's really significant. >> thank you, very much, madam chairwoman. thanks for your service. let me focus on the state partnership program, which is has been a great tool to develop relationships with our neighbors and in particular in the western hemisphere, central america, south america, the florida national guard has partnered with virgin islands and others and so it's also an important part of what, frankly what southcom's mission is. a lot of people don't understand your role and the national guard's role. it's a key role. do you have the adequate fund to
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go continue that what i believe is a vital mission and if you could pretty much talk to us about what you're doing and what some of your activities are? i don't think a lot of folks know that -- the direct involvement of the national guard and you go down there, you see it so thank you. >> yes, sir. incredibly important program. the national guard more than 80 partnership soon to be announced. several more we'll take us over 80. we run the gamut from full combat operations and disaster response and everything in between. growth of our nco core and the nco development of our partner nations to peace keep operations, all of those things and we do it all over the world. we build really the product of this is trust and relationships between nations and never more evident than across europe as
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russian aggression in crimea and the partnerships in the baltics were absolutely instrumental in insuring our partners and allies that we were there and part of them. more than 80 times we have had codeployments to the war where a partner nation deploy to afghanistan or iraq with a codeployment with our partner nations. couldn't be more cost-effective. it's a very high leverage, low cost program. the department of defense spend more than $3 billion in defense support, cooperative, security corporation. this program is funded at a level from all sources at about $16 million and earlier i mentioned we need $29 million to continue the level of activity, to bud those meaningful relationships and to do meaningful training across the spectrum in accordance with and under the direction of the cocomes where these countries are.
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amazingly important product. unique in the department of defense really and it is a thing that brings nation's closer together to do things together. >> thank you, general. madam chairwoman, i want to it you because southcom is one of those since there aren't a lot of public issues that come up in the hemisphere and we kind of tend to forget about southcom until something happens and but i want to thank you madam chairwoman for always not forgetting and for your leadership there. and general, i agree with you. we may have some -- even when we have some difficult relationships, the military to military relationship, is crucial and some cases even more crucial when we have some iffy partners, right? so i just wanted to -- i don't know if a lot of our colleagues outside of this committee know the importance not only of those programs, i think they know that, but that the national guard is a big part of that. thank you, gentleman.
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thank you, madam chairwoman. >> thank you, madam chair. a couple of quick questions. first, thank you so much. the european deterrence initiative is critical and i think the more we see the level of threats that are facing our democracy here in the united states as well as what's going on in europe to continue to read and dive in to some of these issues, it's absolutely incredible that most americans don't really understand the level of threat that we're under right now and so i appreciate what you're doing and what the guard is doing. i have a question -- i know the army plans to stand up six security force assistant brigades. five will be active duty. ones going to be national guard. can you give us an update on that and what it's looking like from your end? >> yes, sir. the single security force
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assistant brigade is standing up across five separate states. indiana, illinois, ohio and florida and georgia i believe are the five states. ohio we'll get a share of that and it's about 65 people i believe and we are i think on track for -- i think -- i have to get back to you when it's supposed to be up and running. it's not in my brain here. but part that have is coming to ohio. >> great. thank you. on the edi, go over those numbers that youedi is differen spp. >> i'm going our inability to meet some of these numbers because of the fitness goals aren't being met. >> yes, sir. just in general across america, there tends to be a less fit general younger population than there once was. fitness standards to be in the
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military are -- they are what they need to be and so, it is getting harder for not just the army national guard or international national guard to find people that meeting recruiting standards and -- it's not just fitness across the spectrum of education and suitability and the like. so it's -- you know, this year i would offer that the national guard, army national guard may actually not meet our in strength at the end of the year that we had at 343,500. we are going to struggle to meet that total number. for the past five years, the national guard has failed to meet our recruiting goals of how many people -- we met strength because we were able to retain more of the current force, but i think, you know, we're going to see that as more broadly a problem that require changes to how we market, changes perhaps even in increased resources to how we market more retrutters,
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different approaches to get people to fill our ranks. >> i just think this is a broader discussion we need to have because this is an issue that keeps coming up, the demands are greater and i don't know if we need to do some kind of national initiative led by the military about general health but it is -- it's really diminished our ability to recruit the kind of soldier and airman and seaman we need and we get locked in these little silos of a defense problem, it's a societal problem and the two do interface with each other. >> yes, sir. >> every single day, so it may be part of a broader conversation we need to have. i yield back. [ audio issues ] >> thank you, madam chairwoman.
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and thank you, general, for being here and we appreciate your service to our country and your family as well and for all of the guardsmen and women you represent all across our country. as you're aware we discussed this yesterday, we in alabama are very, very excited about the air force's decision to field the f-35 at danley field for the men and women of the 187th. we know at the end of the day it was those men and women that contributed to that decision. of course, the red tails also have a story combat record and the river region is extremely proud and supportive of our air force and our air national guard. i just thought this would be a good opportunity for you to provide us an update as it relate to that f-35 rollout, maybe a more definitive timeline as you see it as it relates to these guard units that have just
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been given the opportunity to field that mission. >> yes, ma'am. congratulations in alabama. i wish i could take credit for that but the air force has a very defined process, which analyzes basing criteria and, you know, danley field came out in appropriate manner at the top of that process for the air force. i believe that there's no change from what you've heard before that i'm able to update you. that 2020 board -- >> may 23 is what we were told the aircraft might arrived. >> that's not changed for alabama but if it changed i'll look into it. >> look forward to continuing that conversation but again, just on behalf of the men and women of the 187th we're all very thrilled. one of the things that comes up in all of our discussions across all of our military wide is the issue of pilot shortages.
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i don't know if you've already addressed this. i apologize. i came in late. i just would like for you to tell us from your perspective as it relates to the national guard how you're being effected by pilot shortages and then really provide us, if you can, and maybe not at this time any opportunities that you see on the policy side how we can be helpful on that front? >> so, yes, the nationwide issue with regard to having a number of pilots that our nation needs both in the commercial sector and military is impacting the national guard. it is not impacting us as much as its impacting the active component. the good news for the reserve component you can be both an airline pilot and a military pilot. with respect to how our individual units are done, i would say that our total pilots we're short about 15% of what we need. in general, and these are broad terms i can get you exact terms if you wish, but in broad terms,
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we're actually able to maintain and recruit all of our part time force. we have a lot of people who are leaving the military who want to stay involved in military aviation, so in many cases, not in all, there are some areas where that is not true but broadly we are able to keep the part-time force. we're having trouble keeping people is qualified instructor pilots, the full time force who actually -- who want to be for the full time people, more specifically it's the technician full-time force that is very hard to retain. we simply can't pay them enough. they -- people tend to want -- if they'll be full time they want the opportunity to retire after 20 years of service and perhaps have a follow-on military career so that particular aspect of our full-time force is harder to keep. the active guard reserve slots in the full time, there are many people in the active component who decide that they don't want to move as much as any more but
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they don't want to be an airline pilot so they will move and live in montgomery, alabama and be a full-time pilot just like similar status as active duty air force and retire at 20 years and keep the benefits and the like. if there was a policy issue that could help us it would be to help us increase the active guard reserve versus the technician billets across our force. in general, i think as our forces migrating towards this operational force you'll see a request from us. in fact, we submitted a report through to congress on the analysis of our full-time force. you will see us move more towards that request for an active guard reserve force i think as opposed to a technician full-time force. we still see that as a valued resource in some ways. over time that will be something we may ask you for. >> again, thank you for your service. we appreciate you being here today and i yield back. >> thank you madam chair.
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i apologize for being here late. as i today the distinguished chair here that chairing the house budget committee is just jerking all my time away from me and i miss sitting here on this dais and engaging in military discussions. i want to associate myself with remarks with my friend over here about medical fitness and commander counter that as a commander. medical fitness is a critical problem. across the spectrum of society but certainly with regard to the military because we have certain standards that we got to have and if they don't have them, we can't take them. i want to ask a question about retention, recruiting and retention. it is my belief that as our national guard and reserve components are utilized more and more in our national defense posture and i know general kelly
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has talked about the guard 4.0 or whatever his term is for it and the notion that we need to increase the training days available to a lot of the people particularly those going in the box that sort of thing. i get all that. there is got to be a sweet spot in there some where, though. with our employer support to the guard reserve, with our families. we're talking about recruiting problems right now and not being able to meet mission i would guess that improved economic conditions in this country are causing people to have better jobs and the need to be in the military may not be as attractive as it once was. so can you -- do you have those concerns about the other elements of society that have an impact on our ability to recruit and retain people into our guard structure? >> yes, sir. i do have those concerns. the demand on the part-time
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force and, you know, the reserve component brings an immense apt of combat cape about the to the department of defense at a lower cost. as long as we keep them ready and they're properly equipped they can go to war and provide combat capacity when we need it. i think that you're spot on. the army national guard is different now than when you or i was actually a young officer in the military. there's more expected to be used. we have a different force, though. the force that has gotten into the national guard expect to be deployed. they want to be deployed. they're willing to train 45, 50, 60 days a year provided it's predictable, provided that when they do train at the end of that there is a meaningful reason why to deploy them. whether they deploy to the sigh need or to bosnia or deploy to
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eri to pacific pathways that there's a reason for the employer to see that this soldier or airman is actually contributing to the national defense. and there is a sweet spot in there where we will break it and if we get past the point where the employer's don't support our members and right now -- i had met with the president of the sgr two weeks ago and while there are pocket of people where employers are getting weary, overall we still have great support from employers. it's incumbent on us to be predictable when we can and let pepsi the meaningful impact that this work does for the national defense of the ut. >> there was some discussion about pilot shortage and i want to be careful i don't run out of time here. have you considered this title 32, title 5 exchange program? i guess it's -- i don't know what the percentage is of the mix, but have you considered
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using any of the personnel that could be used in that -- in that title 5 force mix as an enhancement to addressing some of those pilot shortage? >> so, sir, in the national guard case we don't see the title 5 as a good resource to put as our aviators, our combat coded unit type codes that actually deploy and go to war. we see the best use in the national guard case as those that don't necessarily have deployed operational requirements to do. i don't see the title 5 resource helping us in that regard. >> okay. finally, a question about combat aviation. we've had a long discussion about it over the last several years, so where are we on making sure that we continue to have at least that force mix in the reserve component? >> so in accordance with the national convention and future of the army, we have stationed
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now at long last four apache battalions in the army national guard. they went to north carolina, south carolina, utah and a split between texas and mississippi. that's where they are. the stationing decision has been made. also in that same report it said, hey, you'll have 18 apaches in each one of those battalions and later in the report, it says if there's an opportunity presents itself you should find a way to plus these up to 24 apaches per battalion. where we are right now as we deploy a battalion we're scraping from the other three battalions iron to make sure they're ready to go and have their full complement of aircraft. it's challenging. should we ever have to deploy more than one at a time it could be challenging to the mission. >> were you happy with ang rea. >> thank you. it was substantial. thank you very much. >> you bet. thank you for your service. i yield back. >> we'll have a closing comment
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from mr. bisloski. >> thank you. i would ask for the record because i know we have to go in follow-up to a question. how many complaints or actions has the employer support guard reserve dealt with for employers not working with guardsmen in deployment? and last observation i would make as a former seminaryion, i would quote one sentence from another former seminarian in his letter of yesterday, where he said i agree with the bishops who have said that the local, state and federal officials should work collaboratively and prudently in the implementation of this deployment, talking about the border, insuring that the presence of the national guard is measured and not disruptive to community life. general, i do have a profound respect for you and i know that
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is how you will conduct yourself and you will ask the guard to conduct themselves and i thank you for that. thank you, madam chair. >> this concludes panel one. thank you, general, for your attention here in what you're doing here. we'll now move to panel two and they will be introduced. >> thank you, chairwoman.
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if you'll be seated, we'll begin.
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our witness for panel two are lieutenant general charles delucky chief army reserve, luke m. mccaulla, lieutenant general rex c. mcmillian, commander marine reserve, lieutenant general maryanne miller, chief of air force reserves. welcome to all of you here. we appreciate it very much. we appreciate your being able to share your information, general miller, and panel one the committee noted the recent death of two air force reservists who died on march 15th when their helicopter crashed in western iraq fbt the committee recognizes the sacrifice that's these two reservist, the active air force officer and four air guardsmen who also perished in this crash. please express our deepest sympathy to the families. i would look forward to your
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testimony in responses. we have a very limited time. please make your opening statements as brief as possible, and we will ask for the members of the subcommittee, lipt you to your questions and the answer complete to four minutes and you'll see there will be light green, when it goes to yellow, it means you have one minute left and then to red. general lucky, we'll start with you. >> so, chairwoman, ranking member, it's an honor to be back here with you. it's been about an year. i'm not going to go through my prepared remarks in the interest of time at a courtesy to the committee. i'd rather answer questions as appropriate for the committee. i would just like to say for all the distinguishes members that are here how much i appreciate the support of this committee and the house of representatives and the senate as well for the support over the last year. i want to specifically highlight
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the funding that we used last year and give this committee and the congress of the united states a high level of assurance that that money's being put to extraordinarily good use to include modernizing some systems. we purchased some jltvs. that's a new cape about the for the army and it's a capability the army reserve needs to start training on. we've done that. we're using that funding to help us build more resilience. i've learned a lot over the last year particularly in response to the situations both in puerto rico, the virgin islands, florida and texas as it pertains to harvey, irma and maria. we're using that money wisely and prudently but also it gives me tremendous flexibility operationally. i appreciate it very much. very quickly, just update you. our ready force xrf constructs coming along well. i'm happy to answer any questions about how that's going. the balance between readiness and the force but also stress on
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the force and i would also acknowledge that as i said last year, i need to continue the committee's continued support in messaging the messengers in america using your voice to influence those influencers out there and encouraging them to continue to remain in a partnership with america's army reserves as it pertains to safe sharing, the best talent in america. i'm talking employers, whether it be an academia or private sector. and the last but not least by any means, thanks again for the committee's support and continued concern about our families who as we all know support this team day in and day out. in fact, as soon as i leave here today i'll be going to ft. levinworth, kansas and on to -- then on to minneapolis, st. paul to talk with the team leaders that support our families support programs and making sure they're getting the school they
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need and my wife will be joining me on that trip as. i look forward to your questions. >> thank you very much. i'll also have brevity in my remarks. just to point out just like my colleagues, right here as we sit we have our men and women serving around the world and when they serve around the world that means they're absent from their employers and they're also absent from their families and supporting them, the unwavering support we've been giving we're grateful for. there are force multipliers as we look at how the contribution of not only from unique skill sets but also credible combat capability and you're very generous support in supporting them from programs such as yellow ribbon, redeployment support, family programs and certainly the training dollars, the readiness dollars to allow
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them to do that. mobilizations continue and our guidance to our force is to be ready and we focus on generating readiness and from individual readyen to joint readiness with groups at the unit level and at the combat level. just yesterday the harry scht truman strike group departed for deployment and this afternoon the carl vincent returns from a deployment. in that portfolio it's very symbolic of how they support the integrated force. the navy reserve uses discretionary rpn and that's how we generate our readiness, individual readiness and sets and reps as we call it for integrated readiness and your continued support there is very appreciated. agria funding to have niche purchase power where we can broad scale support our sailors
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broadly and your continued support there and the flexible fashion is very much appreciated. following one last point in a piece of our hardware portfolio is is strike fight, f-18. we operate the legacy aircraft. we're asked to do integrated ops to certify our battle strike groups before they deploy and in that regard intertra operatability is key. we look forward to future conversations with congress as we begin to recapitalize those assets. finally, i would just say in spite of the many challenges that we have in managing operations, personnel and other things that a commander has to face, one of the greatest privileges we have is to lead and serve with and serve our men and women and to be with them. i'll be leaving this afternoon to go and spend time in operations to witness this.
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with your support we'll continue to do that and it's our honor to be here. i look forward to answering any questions. >> chairman granger, ranking member and distinguished members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to testify on behalf of the marine core about your marine corps. reserve. i'm honored to be here and i'll be brief. i've been at the helm of marine forces reserve for two and a half years your marine corps. reserve is thriving. morale remains high as recruitment climbing to 99%. enlistment rate increasing over 25% all while the demand for reserves support to combatant commanders continues to rise. the responsibility that we carry in the marine forces reserve is to be able to respond tonight and on a moment's notice with
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fully manned, trained, equipped and led compatible units that can instantly and seamlessly plug into active formations. the critical capabilities provided by marine forces reserve to the total force increases the of the corps. and contribute to the competitive advantaged maintained over our adversaries. at any given time marine forces reserves stands ready to provide a brigade size the element of reserves marines and sailors fully trained for combat operations to support the active component in order to form a total force fight tonight capability. while the remainder of our force remains poised to augment and reinforce given amounts of predeployment training based on the wartime mission assignments. i'd like to leave this distinguished body with two thoughts on how continued support from congress can result in a more lethal marine corps. reserve force, number one,
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reserve marines have 38 training days per year and every scheduled event is preparation for combat. missed training opportunities are unrecoverable in terms of personnel, materials and training readiness while morale and retention of the force suffers. the shutdown on january 20th. almost 8,000 personnel had their drill weekend canceled or reduced resulting in lost training opportunities. i cannot afford to lose one minute of training for our nation's most precious assets, our young volunteer men and women that makeup your marine corps. reserve. therefore i cannot overemphasize how a lapse of appropriations negatively impacts readiness across the reserve force and i thank you in advance for your continued support through timely appropriations. number two, the marine corps. benefit from the national guard and equipment appropriation. i want to extend my gratitude for your continued support of
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agria and would appreciate greater spending flexibility in this appropriation in order to procure critical short fall items and modernize equipment and systems. i appreciate the opportunity to be here today and i look forward to your questions. chairwoman granger and members of the subcommittee, i'm honored to be here today to have the opportunity to report on it state of america's air force reserve. today i'm joined by command chief master sergeant eric kelly, command chief for the air force reserve. at any given moment on any day there are over 6,500 active citizen airman stationed state side and deployed around the world all supporting our nation's defense. there's no distinction between our active gard and reserve airmen. we are lethal and privileged to defend this great nation. we are honored to serve alongside our joint partners and allies and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for our country. during last year's posture
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hearing i spoke about the pilot and maintenance retention challenge that we faced. during the flight line -- today the flight line manning for our part time force of system airmen remains nearly strong. it's nearly 100%. the steady demand on airline pilots and civilian industry aircraft maintainers continues to impact the retention for our full time technician force. in response to these challenges, we continue to pursue the use of bonuses, incentive pays and special salary rates for pilots and maintenance force. though this approach has positively impacted retention, it may not be sufficient for long-term -- for the long-term solution. we need to continue to discuss other full time ongss with you all and incentives with your staff and we need to garner support for these options to improve our manning over time. our nation's air force serves a resilient force. we are postured to ensure we preserve our foundational
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strength, providing that daily operational capability and strategic depth for which our nation depends. we will continue to sharpen our edge for the fight and improve our readiness to win any time, any where. we are focused to recruit critical talent and retain critical skills, to expand our competitive edge across all missions. america's air force reserve continues to treasure and strengthen the bond between the citizens of our nation and the airmen who answer the call to defend our freedoms. i am honored to represent all of our airmen and their loved ones today and i thank this committee for your enduring support and i look forward to your questions. thank you. >> thank you, madam chair. i know people ask about readiness and modernization and we'll submit that for the record for all of you but i want to follow up on a conversation i just had with the national guard in puerto rico and, by the way, when you come to minneapolis, st. paul, the forecast will be
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38 but it will be sunny. we still have snow on the ground. >> i heard it's getting colder too. >> you don't want to come sunday. so general, if i could talk to you for a second about puerto rico, i had the opportunity of being with the fish and wildlife and epa but i was also with the park service and the forest service and i was with a gentleman who is going to be retiring shortly but also continues to serve in the army reserve and so we had a great conversation and i made it about personal struggles that they're having in puerto rico being in the guard, being in the reserve and at the same time the federal responsibilities at fish and wildlife park service epa you wouldn't believe what our federal employees were doing down there to help with the recovery. park service actually at one of the forts had people supplies and some of the police from
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puerto rico had their equipment in there to protect it. so i want to make sure that you have what you need because we have another hurricane season coming up. generators, supplies, equipment, equipment that might be on a wish list to help with some of the things going down there and so along with the economy, the stress on the reserve components down there not only taking care of their family, their community and then fulfilling their responsibilities as they're called up to help their fellow american citizens, can you just kind of tell me what we need to be doing down there to help you be ready? hurricane season is coming quickly. this needs to be a priority. >> so congresswoman, thanks for the question and it's great to see you again. so just to level the bubble. i was in puerto rico last weekend for a couple reasons. one of which was to go back as
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you probably know i was there about six weeks after maria hit and so i've been keeping a very close eye on the situation. as you know we have thousands of army reserves soldiers, family members down there also army reserve installations is there and played a key role as a platform to support a lot of activities there, very early on. so let me assure you, first of all, that i'm paying very close attention to this situation, both in terms of how we're recovering from what happened and also preparing for what is possibly going to happen next. in fact, ranking member and i talked about this yesterday briefly. so from an investment strategy perspective in interprets of reconstituting resilience and capabilities as i touched on just a minute ago in my opening statement -- remarks, looking at investment strategies to not only reconstitute particularly the spot power regeneration and water purification capabilities we have stressed mightily as you
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well know over the last nine to ten months, but actually increasing the capacity of us to be able to reassemble and surge that cape about the on even a larger scale than we did last year. in the course of literally weeks following the storm, the senior leader on the island from the federal perspective, was an army reserve general. general dusty schultz when you were down there. she commands it. under my command authorities, placed all forces in both the virgin islands and puerto rico under her control so she could retask and organize as required, acknowledging in some cases or soldiers were so -- their lives were so disrupted they didn't have the ability to help their neighbors because they had to help themselves but over the half the force was able to rise to the challenge in puerto rico and help their partners out. from a financial perspective i think i'm okay, frankly. thanks to your help and thank to this committee's help.
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i've been able to reprioritize within the funding we had to prioritize fund to go get back at that resilience particular in puerto rico and the virgin islands. the virgin islands were devastated very much as you all know. i'm confident that we're paying very close attention. one more thing. i don't want to take all your time. i'm also very cognizant of the fact that as we continue to pursue federal missions, for instance, the two tenth regional support group that is going to be going to ft. bliss, texas, this fall to support an army mission, i'm very cognizant and i talked to a lot of family members very concerned if another storm hit, would their service member be able to come home. i assured them we would handle one of these issue one soldier at a time, one family at a time. you have my strongest assurance that i'm playing close attention
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and very sensitive to the issues you raised. >> thank you. my next question is virgin island. i'll follow-up before i go there with you. >> yes, ma'am. >> thank you, very much. it's good to see you all of you and thank you for your service. i want to talk a little bit about the chairwoman when she began, she mentioned the tragedy, right, that took place recently and so there's been some reports that potentially there's a connection between some of the accident that have taken place and frankly, the inadequate funding that was taken place. i really like to hear from you about whether you think that there is a potential connection between inadequate funding to things like these some of these tragic accident that have taken
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place and also your impressions of where we are now with the 18 omnibus and obviously we're already starting the '19 bill and where do you see the potential for readiness for training, et. if you would just -- i don't know who wants to -- maybe start with the air force since that's the most recent tragedy. >> thank you, congressman. i do not think it's related to the budget stress. we -- actually the air force reserve is going to be the investigating officer on that accident in afghanistan, and thank you madam chairwoman for your response and your condolences to bill posh and carl innes and his family. i don't think it's connected. we are looking in as an air force and air force reserve, we are looking at there's been a slight increase in category c mishaps which were the lesser mishaps due to the threshold and
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we're looking in that. digging deeper as to why. but i don't think -- i don't think the crash in afghanistan is related to the budget stress that we've had. i think -- readiness overall, if you look at '18 compared to '19, '18 was that boost we needed and thank you very much for all the money that came to us in the '18 -- in this execution. we're making incredible strides at the unit level. we have 47,000 folks in the unit getting out to the mission every day and we've used every dollar we've been giving to actually get up on the plateau as fast as we can and for the remainder of '18 and the increase in funding we're getting for '19, we will continue that climb towards legionality which the national strategy demands from us. the airmen are excited about being able to do the job they signed up for. we've actually told them you can
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stop doing certain -- for the next six months you can put these things aside and get after readiness. thank you for the increase in the '18. '19 just gets us further down the path of readiness. the air force reserve we have 50 more million dollars for flying hours, particularly in the c-17 and c-5 which helps tremendously for readiness. we have a fully execute that 83%. and then we're focusing on recruiting the critical talent we need and retaining the critical skills. it's all about recruiting retention and the readiness, so thank you for the money. our concern is really the next two years. we've look at it as two years of money and then we're going to do everything we can full throttle as our secretary says to get after the readiness now because in two years we're not sure what it's going to look like. so thank you, congressman. >> thank you.
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>> thank you, madam chair. thank you for your service. we know what an essential part of the team you all are. i want to thank you for your service over the last couple decades. we know how much strain has been put on you and sequestration and we apologize for that. general miller, is my favorite panelist because you are from ohio. i have a couple questions and i want to say thank you for being so engaged with the air base in youngstown, ohio, and our mission there, the aerial spray mission that is essential for the reserve. can you talk to us about the -- of course i'm going to ask about the c-130 js and if you can give us a little bit of your analysis on where we are and where we need to be and maybe what the demands are? >> yes. when you look at the overall air force tactical airlift numbers, 300 is what we need and the hs.
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the current structure that we have is 300. we're program today keep 300. and the air force right now we do not have j models built into the program to recapitalize the hs. we've put money into increment one and two and we're progressing very, very will well with that. amp one is completely funded. amp two is funded also. we are getting after all the amp one adjustments that need to be completed by 2020 and by 2028 all the amp two will be done. the hs will be fully ready to fly, fully capable of flying anywhere in the world to do their mission. >> two quick questions, one for you general miller and one for mr. luckey on retention. i'm worried about the pilot retention issue and i'm worried about the cyber talent retention
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and recruitment that we need. so general miller, if you can go first and talk a little bit about the challenges you may be having and with the very competitive commercial pilot industry competing with the men and women we're trying to go after. >> for the air force reserve our pilot manning on the part time force, which is the majority of airline pilots. that part time force i'd say 98% of them fly in the airlines. we are manned at 96.5%. so i have the pilots on the part time force to do the mission if we're called. it's the full time force that we're stressed. we're manned at 6%. i've brought that manning up to 72% on the full time side. so to get after the full time deficit we have, the gap, i'm looking at putting a different full-time status in many of our mission sets and that's called active guard reserve so that agr status is different than the air reserve technician status because it allows you return rights. an airline pilot can go fly with
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the airlines for a couple years, come to us for a couple years and return back to the airlines. there's a great opportunity for them to just continue full time in both and just share time over a period of time of couple years. so i'm making that adjustment in the full time. i think that bring the full-time support into the mid-80s. >> thank you, general luckey. >> first of all, from a pilot -- [ audio issues ] who are going to find much more financial incentive to go in the private sector and continue this
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role. we're moving for structure to different -- >> congressman, if i could just add one other point is the -- we know that pilots are the happiest when they have flying hours and platforms to fly in and the naval reserve is very focused on maintaining a capitalization to rely that if an active pilot leaves to the reserve. 8 to $9 million at the eight year point. viable platforms recapitalized to give them an opportunity to serve. >> thank you, admiral. >> thank you madam, chair and to the whole panel. a big thank you to each of you and your families for your great service to our country. we appreciate each of you, so thank you for being here this morning. general luckey, clearly as a
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nation, i know it's been touched on a little bit. we've endured major national disasters since you were here last year. hurricanes have ravaged texas, louisiana, florida, the virgins islands, puerto rico and parts of even alabama. so in the wake of katrina, congress took action to provide immediate response authority to reserve forces and so i wanted to see if you'd being to comment on those authorities and do -- we have it right in terms of providing the reserve with the necessary authorities to provide did the disaster response in a timely basis. >> so congresswoman, first of all, thanks for the question. i got my mic on now so i apologize for that. absolutely. this has been -- i think it's been a game changer. one very quick vignette. as harvey gathered energy in the gulf, i saw it literally -- my wife saw it on the ipad.
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she commented. we were driving across the country to check on my brother. i called texas and asked them what they needed, they needed hoist capable aircraft and i have 38 of them in the army reserve. based on that conversation, i was able to preposition aircraft in the ft. worth area out of the path of the predicted path of the storm but approximate mat enough to the disaster site to immediately mass effects on that target area. we moved aircraft, emergency deployment readiness operation. we moved hoist aircraft from colorado from kansas. able to move those capabilities, have them immediately delivering effects both in terms of rescuing folks, moving critical medical supplies. similar scenarios, not so much aviation intensive in both puerto ricos and virgin islands and louisiana as you touched upon. it's a tremendous opportunity,
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frankly, for our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marine to be able to respond where they live or to move to support people in other places in the united states. it's a game changer in terms of our ability to change effects immediately. >> thank you. for the panel and i don't have a whole lot of time left but for the panel given now that we have an operational reserve, i want to keep a close eye on the operations for our reserve forces. can you please comment on your assessment of the mission requirements for your service versus the size of our forces? do we need a bigger reserve? and what is your philosophy on the individual ready reserve? are we providing incentives in professional opportunities for people to stay? and that's for whoever wants to jump in. >> i'll start first here. the operation reserve that we have today is, as you say, deeply in the fight all over the world. on a strategic -- the reserve is
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really a strategic force that we've -- that we've leathered for the last 25 years as an operational force our reserve force, authorities in place, building the definition of an operational reserve and lines of effort that go to identifying what an operational reserve is. the piece that i think that i need that we have yet to complete is on top of the strategic base we have. we're dipping every day into that strategic base and making demands on their time but after 25 years our folks are getting stressed. i'll manned at 25% full time. i need more. the guard is at roughly 32%. i'm putting enablers in the support and the operations piece to get after that full time support. otherwise we're in a good position. >> if i can weigh in for just one minute. we are right sized in the marine corps. reserve.
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they're motivating and ready to be engaged in operations. >> thank you. >> thank you all very much for being here today. i wanted to begin with general miller during the last round of f-35 fielding, the state of ohio narrowly missed the f-35 cut. is the air force intending to begin another round of f-35 fielding to the reserves and if so when that occur? >> yes. currently -- currently we have a preferred alternative at ft. worth and then our -- our alternative bases if ft. worth is not selected would be either d.m. homestead or whiteman. our bases are firmly in the plan for the f-35 and '19 the secretary make the decision on if ft. worth is that preferred alternative, if that is the base we put them. >> i just wanted to say across
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the spectrum this morning, i've read all of your testimony and i believe general mcmillian has the most complete section dealing with health services and behavioral health. i wanted to ask you representing some reserve components myself, the 983rd army was just deployed to the middle east, how does your suicide rate compare to the military average, up or down, especially over the last year? >> so let me jump on that first, if i may. the suicide rate in the army reserve has just recently ticked up above the army average and i will tell you -- first of all, i can't prove this but i tell you one of my concerns is that the financial aspect of stress on
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families is in many cases particularly acute for those families where soldiers have had multiple deployment and have come back for deployment and be unemployed or underemployed. we're targeting our private/public partnership program to ensure that those soldiers who are identified as at risk financially get additional support in finding jobs. i can't prove financial problems with self-destructive behavior. i'm targeting that population specifically to get after the challenge. >> one interesting fact i learn this had morning, if you go to many of our large bases even in this country and i'm not talking about reserve components, you'll see predatory lenders all wrapped around the edges of the base and this financial issue is really a very critical one that i think we need to -- we would welcome your recommendations
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based on what you know. can i ask general mcmillian, what about the marine reserve? >> yes, ma'am, thank you for the question. last year we had 12 suicides in the marine corps. reserves. this year we're at five. so not quite at 50% but trending in that direction. the majority, the vast majority of our suicides occur of our suicide occur in a nondrilling status. in between drill weekend when we don't have eyes on them. when the marine reservist is out in the community with their families and working in their civilian jobs. we do an in depth analysis after each suicide, and we have come to the conclusion that each up with of those suicide touches one of three areas. number one, financial problems in the civilian sector. number two, relationship problems and number three, legal problems. some of those all together, some
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of those by themselves. but each one ties into that. so when we see them on our drill weekends, we have kneecap to kneecap, eyeball to eyeball leadership and mentoring sessions with them. and also we stay in touch with them in between their drills to see how they're doing. we're exercising that small unit leadership to the nth degree to try to keep them on the straight and level, so to speak, ma'am. >> well, i appreciate your careful monitoring of who they are. i would suggest this it could help us to help you, going down the special forces with the chair a few months ago, we saw where special forces had admitted behavioral specialists to each unit and that brought that you are suicide rate down to the military average. reservists are scattered all over the place. they come home often to no base. maybe they report to a headquarters but then they're somewhere. admiral, you talk about mobile
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technologies within the naval reserve being available for different things. i've been wondering around mobile tech nomgs where we could take the best medicine we have, where they can take autopsy or we could connect them so they wouldn't be so far away from care. i've actually been present at a reserve base where a unit has come home and i've seen soldiers that are in need of care immediately. it isn't available. so it's kind of messy when it gets back to the local level. i would appreciate your summary for us, or meeting with those of us who care about this, how we can better bring that care to them and whether we need to fund additional behavioral specialists within the reserve or pay for their education. but it's a need across the military. and i even want to take the technologies, if we have them, to ukraine, because i see what's happening in front there with
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soldiers there. and i don't think we've got this thing pinned down completely. and we could do much better, but you've got elements of the solution within your testimonies today and from your own personal knowledge. so madam share, i wanted to highlight this. in five minute, you can't even touch the surface. but is there any way you could summarize what you know and report back to us on ways in which we could better help you help the soldier? >> thank you. the societal problem at this late date remains breathtaking for all of us. i think the military has a special responsibility. we're all familiar with these statistics, particularly the one
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that reporting has increased 240% according to a fiscal year. 16 reports since 2004. which would indicate potentially that people are more comfortable coming forward. the question i would have for each of you, though, is with more people coming forward -- i regret they have to. i'm very worried about retaliation. we talked to people about forms of retaliation, and sometimes it's very ham handed. and sometimes it's very subtle. how do you work down to that level? will, this just is not to be tolerated, and if somebody comes forward, they should not be the ones who are going to be punished here. >> if i may take that. just two thoughts.
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from a senior leadership perspective, obviously it starts with me. be assured that this is on multiple occasion, i have made it very clear -- and i have a -- i'm on facebook, although i'm not so sure i should be on facebook anymore. >> we know why. >> but i'm on facebook and twitter an all these different social media -- there are platforms i use to try to make sure in addition to the website for the army reserve, constantly messa messaging, i think fairly stridently. our mission, not in this squad, not on our team, not in the american army reserve. i would tell you, from an assessment perspective, i watched this pretty carefully. this is the month for awareness, both sexual assault and sexual harassment. we just finished a climate survey for the army reserve brand and here at fort belvoir and for the pentagon.
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i don't want to come across as overconfident about this. but i will tell you, statistically, of the things that i'm concerned about in terms of inappropriate behavior, i would say the one that i keep a close eye on is nothing has explicit or as obvious as actual out an out assault or demeaning behavior. it's sort of more inappropriate language that opens up the aperture for other more predatory, more inappropriate behavior. it's okay to do this or that. so i'm very cognizant of that. and i think we're attacking it fairly aggressively. as to your reprisal concern, you know, i'm -- i'm always here to learn and come up and get better techniques. and i get them from my colleagues all the time. i'll just tell you the most important thing i think i can do
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is message every day in every way that anybody that has anything that concerns them needs to bring this up to somebody that they trust in the chain of command, or not in the chain of command, but a sexual assault or sexual harassment advis adviser. >> in the naval reserve, the -- similar to the general's comments, every morning i review any report where we have knowledge that a sexual assault has occurred. in those discussions and reports, it's important for me to know, number one, the victim's situation. >> just language, hostile. but i'm worried about retaliation. what happens after somebody reports? and are you worried about somebody -- and again, sometimes it can be very subtle.
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it's just a retaliation. the victim has what tools to be protected against any indication of retaliation. i'll look by name who their advocate is. and then in that context, how restrictive, it's the victim's choice. is it unrestrictive? it's the victim's choice. with that awareness, and with those dialogues, we can find out quick if there's a profile of retaliatory and we act on it. including if they request to be moved to another command. >> so somebody would be assigned to them to be support and helpful? >> that is correct.
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if we're not doing that, we're not doing our jobs. everybody that's underneath me .i've tasked them. their number one priority is to provide superb leadership and if they can't provide great morale, i hold them accountable as the commandanttolds holds me accoun to provide that. they're our nation's most precious assets. we're charged with taking care of them. now tied in with that, we have tied through command climate survey, how our units are doing. we see that as having trust in the leadership to investigate
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all of those claims and then hold people accountable. and we are going to do that. i'm doing it for the commandant and i'm sure he will -- when he comes in to testify, he'll tell you he's doing the same thing for the marine corps. >> is there someone that's aseened to that person who comes forward? >> yes, sir. they get a direct assignment to take care of their issue, necessary. >> very similar to the marine corps. it's about trust. and the victim needs to understand we're there to support them, take care of them. if there's an issue or a perceived issue of retaliation, either one is important and we need to jump on it and take care of it and hold the member accountable for that. >> the prior panel on the guard, last year in the guard, 132 soldiers committed suicide. the vast majority were army
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guard. so i would hope that we would have the same figures -- and that, by the way, is an increase. very important issue, thank you. >> there's such admiration for our reservists and our guard. that's every city we're in and across the nation and to make sure they're cared for and that they have the subpoena port that i need. but the other thing, we've heard about some employers who won't hire members of the guard or reserves because of the possibility of missed work. due to their deployment. and as i said to the last panel, it has to be a respect and a contribution from employers and the employees who want to work and also serve in the reserve or guard. and so if there's something else that needs to be done to
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mitigate this and to be sure they're not discriminated in the work force, would you please let us know that. anticipate if there's anything else that congress needs to help to support our guard and reserves. the work they're doing is keeping us safe and it's very important. so if you would get back to us, we would appreciate that very much. that concludes today's hearing. the subcommittee stands adjourned.
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