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betty: this separate view of women, we had to get rid of that. we had to break through that. we had to say, women are people, no more, no less. to consciously fight for and
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realize that we were entitled to the same opportunities to participate in society, the same opportunities to control our own destiny, the same right to participate in society to control our own destiny as men had. en you think about it, the modern woman's movement in america is supposed to have egun with my book in 1963, and we are 37 years later, and we really have transformed society. they weren't asking in 1963, what do you want to be, little girl, when you grow up? you are a pretty little girl, you will be a mommy like mommy. they didn't ask women what do you do?
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men were supposed to say a housewife. so just a housewife was kind of a label, that most women had in -- oh, ys, because even 0, 40 years ago, only 1/3 of american women worked outside the home. not all the women went home again after world war ii, but a lot did, and two generations that didn't have babies in depression and war made up for it by having babies like mad, the so-called baby boom that some of you may be part of. and that was all right, and having babies is a good thing. i had three. there are real values in
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motherhood. it's not just a mystique, but there came to be in the 1950's this kind of doctrine that tried to make housewife-mother a full-time, life-long occupation, and words like career women became dirty words, even though i went to a very good college, a big woman's college, even in that college, all i learned was, he early feminists like they were neurotic spinssters suffering from penis envy. it was the freudian interpretation of history. it was a revelation to me doing search for my book, "the
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femnim mystique," well, i was going to give a good rationalization for penis envy. penis was the symbol of men, not women, and women had every right to envy the opportunities educa.
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she began her career mostly as a reporter and sort of got shunted, as many bright women in that field did at that time, into reporting on women's issues and the making of pot roasts and knitting of sweaters and those sorts of things. as she tells it in her big book and in other form, she started to get the sense that something was wrong and she went back to her college classmates and started interviewing them. she started interviewing other women in the supposedly idyllic suburbs where she was living and she began to focus on what she called the problem that has no
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required that was the malaise,
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-- it would be enshrined in the constitution and require certain changes to things like social security act, the draft, military draft, an book
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, and though flawed
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she was not quite on the anti-family bandwagon, she and
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the language in that legislation. >> there are those in the women's movement who would correspond very much to the naacp and civil rights movement, that is who are proposing legal action, as one way of bringing women into full participation in society. i think there are also women in women's liberation movement who would be very much in agreement with the critique proposed by
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leaders of the black liberation movement. there are many parallels. >> what about civil rights? are there civil rights that women do not enjoy? >> well, i think there certainly are. i think that maybe i should turn it back to martha. i would like to add one footnote to what she said about the 1964 civil rights act because the or sex provision was added really as a joke. it was put in by a southern congressman to keep it from being -- >> it was not added as a joke. the man who originally offered it felt he was really going to hurt the bill, but i made the argument and i wasn't joking. i understood exactly what it would do. it was accepted not as a joke but because the people who sat there agreed with my argument, that you would have given black women rights that white women never had. i didn't make the further statement which i think was
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quite true, that no one who brought that bill to the floor had ever considered giving any white woman any rights, and the truth is that black and white women got those rights together, but no one who voted that day voted as a joke. >> i am sure they didn't vote as a joke, but there was a great deal of levity in the debate. >> levity stopped when i started speaking. >> i am pleased to hear that. >> it really didn't work out that way at all. but this had been one of the things -- it's a myth that has been put out through this whole country that it was a joke, and every woman who says it again and again really aids the supreme court in making a very erroneous decision. >> can you document a little bit what the civil rights status of women was before and after? >> women don't really have any rights. the 14th amendment has never been applied to give women equal
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rights, equal protection under the law. it doesn't have any rights. the only right to vote and the right to hold public office, those are the only two rights that the constitution of the unit from the east room of the white house in 1964. president lyndon baines johnson signing the civil rights act. you can see it is primarily a room full of men. mona charen. mona: right, so i want to make two points. sed her opposition
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equal rights amendment. >> for many years i debated the equal rights amendment and we won that battle, and young women in college today weren't even born when that was a fight so they don't understand it and it needs to be re-explained. about if you look at the feminists whom i debated 20
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years ago, they don't have the wonderful things that i have, which are 14 grandchildren. that's a whole new life. i think the young women should look ahead and see what is life going to be like for you in 20 years, 20 years into the future? they need to examine that and find out what they really want. the feminist movement told young women that they should have liberation and that it was much more exciting to be a corporation vice president than it was to be just a plain old mother raising her children. it doesn't always work out that way. >> did you ever think that you would be more than just a mother raising her children? >> well, i am a very hard-working person, and i always have lots ofiring
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after this program. here is an excerpt. >> well, ladies, you've come a long way. no question about it. you have more to say these days about your education, your appearance, your occupation, and your role in life than any young women have ever had in history. yet you have a voice in your own destiny. you have it in civilian life as well as in the military. that's right, there is a lot you can say and do about who you are, where you are going, and how you look, especially in the
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military. sure, susan mayfield looks good but she never won any beautiful baby contests. she had to work for it. it takes more than luck to appear bright, well groomed and smart looking. nobody is trying to sell you a batch of easy miracles. all we are talking about is making the most of what you wa
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raise is that last year you saw an explosion of reckonings against people in the media such as harvey weinstein, charlie rose, for being abusive towards women. why this seemed to suddenly happened and why now? host:ghts movement and part
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of the antiwar movement, but particularly in the antiwar movement, it wound up being a movement that was really led by stories that the women involved tell is that they were forced into very subservient positions within the antiwar movement. soul-searching that went onment after that. i don't know that it contributed to that -- of the feminist movement, but i think it did not
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news covered this,
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september 1968. the women's liberation movement organized several groups to protest the miss america pageant as a symbol of society's exploitation of women as sex objects. the groups proliferate, saying -- association. names in colorful
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stockings and roses. women for women, older women liberation. they are addicted to acronyms. for women's liberation front. ♪ i think that was a mess, a clever performance staged to burn brassieres -- to throw them
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into trash cans as a sign of women's opposition to things like the miss america pageant. , it is a beautiful still, it is a beauty pageant. not something that is deeply .mportant for movement
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guest: i personally don't know much about her, which probably says something about the kind of feminism i've read about and researched. i think that any first lady is deeply constrained by what she can do, particularly at that moment in time. she did not have a lot of
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degrees of freedom. she was defined by a roll. but within the confines of that role, i think she pushed the boundaries. she tried to show herself as a woman who, even though she was sort of the number one housewife than acountry, was more housewife. a woman who stayed true to the ideals of the loyal, dedicated wife and mother, but still was clearly an, a member of
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the house of representatives from new york.
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why was she so influential? she was a woman who was in the political realm, used her voice. i think probably separated herself from the more radical feminists, someone who worked inside the system. someone who really stood for women across the country. women of color in addition to whole part of this movement that was lost in the early days. and she was a fighter. someone who was fighting from the inside. i think if you look across this panoply of women you've brought up in the past hour or so, you see how you need all of the .ramatics personae you need the wild ones writing
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herback to announcement for president in 1972, representative shirley chisum, democrat new york. >> i stand before you today as a candidate for the democratic parties -- [applause] i am not the candidate of black america, although i am black and proud. [applause] i am not the candidate of the women's movement of this country , although i am a woman and i am equally proud of that. any not the candidate of political bosses or fatcats or special interests. vigorous] more
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i stand here now without endorsement of many big-name politicians or celebrities or any other props. i do not intend to offer to you the tired and glib cliches which have for too long been an accepted part of our political life. i am the candidate of the people of america. [cheering, applause] , we have looked in vain to the nixon administration for the courage, the spirit, the character and -- to bring out the best in us. ourekindle in each of us faith in the american dream. yet all we have received in another smooth exercise in political manipulation, deceit, deception. callousness and indifference to
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our individual problems. hittingsive politics the young against the old, labor women."management
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syndicated columnist mona charen and her book, "sex matters."
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both of you, thank you very much.
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