tv U.S. Global Leadership Coalition Summit Madeleine Albright CSPAN June 19, 2018 7:31pm-8:03pm EDT
concerns, and potential steps to protect consumers. you can watch that hearing starting at 10:00 eastern. >> next, madeleine albright talks about the importance of us leadership around the world and will weigh in on the president's recent meeting with kim jong-un. she spoke at an event hosted by the us global leadership coalition. [ applause ] >> good morning, i am the senior director for global government affairs at walmart and a very proud cochair of the board of directors. to start today's program we have a wonderful opportunity to hear from one of our nation's most experienced and widely respected foreign policy leaders. someone who knows more than most how global changes have local impact, secretary madeleine albright is a universally recognized
insightful observer of the world today. not to mention the owner of a remarkable collection of brooches and pens that she famously uses as a diplomatic tool. she served under president bill clinton, becoming the highest ranking woman in history of us government. secretary albright is a longtime chair of the national democratic institute, that works to strengthen democratic institutions and democratic situations. she is also a distinguished professor at the georgetown university. our discussion today will be moderated by our own liz shaer. ladies and gentlemen, join me in welcoming them to the stage. [ applause ]
>> what a treat this is for me. i want to thank sarah for telling everyone who i am. not long ago, coming back from china, chicago was the first port of entry. i was getting undressed or the security people. i put my stuff down in the container belt and the woman behind me said where did you get all of those screwtop bottles? i said i got them at walmart. then i am going through the magnetometer and the tsa guy looked at me and said, oh my god, it is you. we all love you and bosnia.
if it weren't for you there would it be a bosnia and you are welcome and bosnia. he asked for a picture. we had our picture taken and it screwed up the whole line. i go back to the lady with the screwtop bottles and she says what happened here? and i said i used to be secretary of state? she said of bosnia? [ laughter ] >> i am not sure how to follow with that one. i want to tell you it is so fabulous to have you here. you are an amazing friend and an amazing leader. now i know you are secretary of bosnia. i want you to know she got a shot out from bono with u2 last night. she had on a rock 'n roll pin. >> before we began you are the most incredible leader. you have built it, and are the
most dedicated human being in a really good friend. i think everyone understands the huge role that you play. >> thank you. we have a lot of fun doing different things together and this is a treat for me. there are so many things i have to ask you, i am going to jump into one, you just finished your six book. it hit the new york times best- selling live, but it is a little scary. it is not by your pin book. it is a really insightful history looking back and telling us a warning of the trend of rising authoritarianism around the world. it is a history lesson, but you bring it into today's world.
madam secretary, dear we ask what is the warning that we all need to be afraid of? i read it and i know how scared i am. >> it has a scary title, and it is meant to be. i think that we do need to watch what is going on everywhere around the world. i wrote it because it has something to do with my own background. i was born in czechoslovakia in 1937. the nazis came in and we were sent a warning because my father was a diplomat. i did not know about my background in being jewish until 1976. i was raised a catholic, married an up his contrarian and found out i was jewish. i have my own interfaith discussion. [ laughter ] >> i do know what happened when classism took over, everything
changed. people were killed for who they were. i really thought it was worth putting out a warning, given the things that i was seeing. i was going to write the book no matter who was elected. i was beginning to see the vision in our own society. i wanted to write a historical book that explains what happened, how mussolini came to power and how hitler came to power. the thing that i write about, what has happened in hungary, poland, turkey, the philippines, and dennis whaler as an example, which is what happened when the divisions in society are exacerbated by leader who dwells and makes them for the sake of his own power. it is a warning.
the best quote in the book is the mussolini who said if you pluck a chicken one feather at a time people do not notice. that is what this book is about in terms of feather plucking. >> i highly recommend it, but it will make you nervous. let me ask you to bring it to a point when you were in government. you became secretary of state at the turn-of-the-century when the soviet union had collapsed. the ideal of america and democracy was on the rise. it looks a little different than it does today. you talk about that in your book. you have often spoken about america being an important nation, who we are and why we
are gathered here. playing golf your book and your time as secretary of state, talk about where we are right now and that moment when you were secretary of state how important is american global leadership today? >> it is crucial. what happened in czechoslovakia, the munich agreement that will be 100 years old, it was a time when there was an agreement made between the british and french and the germans and italians about czechoslovakia over their heads. i think america was not there and that was something that i grew up with. then, when the americans came in that is when i first fell in love with americans in uniform.
i was a little girl and it was so clear everything changed once the americans came in. as a result of world war ii europe was divided in the country that i was born in were behind the iron curtain. i won't go through the whole history, but my whole life has been where has america been? what has america done? the marshall plan was key in putting america into a roll where our own national interests could understand what would happen if europe one -- won. we have been able to think about how national interest played into our role in the world. i was with the united nations in 1993 and partially there was a question as to whether americans were interested in foreign policy? especially after the gulf war and a number of issues.
we had to make clear that our engagement was very important. president clinton was the first to use the word indispensable, i used it so often it became identified with me. there is nothing about it that stands alone. it just as we need to be engaged. america does not like the word multilateralism, but it is a partnership. that is why america needs to be a part of being interested and involved, it is good for our people and obviously good for the world. we are indispensable. if we are not engaged and began to act as though we are victims all the time i think we are losing in so many ways. i am going to europe tomorrow and i am going to spend a lot of time there for a variety of different conferences. it is something that is not appropriate normally for a
former diplomat to criticize your own country when abroad, but if i am going to be truthful i think the last two weeks have been appalling in terms of what we have done to partnerships and understanding how the international system works. how am i going to explain to members of the g7 what just happened? i do think that we are indispensable. if we lay back is going to be very damaging for our people and for the world. [ applause ] >> let me ask you if you could pick up on something that i just sat at the opening, which is about this competition. you and i spoke about this, i know you have been on your book tour and visiting some bookstores around the country. i often hear about china and our
competitors like the germans, the french who are out there in the developing world. china now has a development bank and is spending seven times more on their one belt- one road initiative then we spent on the marshall plan. in africa they have invested 520% more on their development increase then in the last 15 years. my question is do you think that we are falling behind? you just that you are concerned, but in our democracy program, are you concerned about it? how do we talk about it economically? >> i am very concerned. it was interesting when i was first in office as secretary to understand how our policies
affect what happens in other countries and how we build our strength as a free nation on the fact that other countries are free and people are not living in a terrible situation where they are subject to those people who do not like them. it is essential that we understand our roles. i think the other problem is we are not living in a benign world. the chinese are out to challenge us. it is very interesting. i go to china quite often. i am always tired of saying they are a proud people, everyone is a proud people. i think they felt they have been disrespected, and data, and they are now in a position to exert their influence. they are doing that. they must be getting very fat because the one belt is getting larger and larger. they are in so many different places doing exactly what you
have said and we have helped to create a vacuum they are feeling. -- filling. they are also providing grants and investing in different countries. they build a road wherever anyone wants them. they are beginning to create regional alliances. they are the ones who picked up the pieces and they are pushing in central asia, the middle east, africa, and latin america more and more. i think that we need to understand what that is doing to us. i do think the hard part, you and i talked about this, it is wonderful to have leaders from all over the united states. how do you explain foreign policy to people? i have made it my mission, and it was when i was secretary, to make foreign-policy less hard.
i have traveled into classrooms. what is interesting is mostly in our classroom the maps are these flat maps with the western peninsula in the middle with a couple flaps on either side. i would always ask the teachers to bring in a globe and show that most of the people live on the other side of the globe. most recently -- and i do want to spend time talking about the private sector, but i was at a starbucks. they had this whole thing of tasting coffee every day. you would think it was fine wine. they make you inhale it and slurp it, and they talk about where their copy comes from. on that particular day the coffee was from the democratic republic of congo. they were explaining what they do to make sure that there are
not kids picking the coffee beans or that they are worried about the environment and any number of different things, which i think is very important. also, since we are coffee drinkers as the leaders and coffee is only grown in hawaii, we need to be in all of those countries and doing good at the same time. i do think there have to be stories that can explain why x- city has some interests. the that is what has to be made relevant to the people. >> let me switch to a couple of topics, a couple topics that are a little more current, which is north korea. before all of that happen with
north korea in the last week you were the last sitting secretary of state to meet with the north korean leader. my question is from your experience, hope that we might get somewhere? my question is, especially with a new sheriff in town, secretary mike pompeo. i know that he reached out to you. >> i am often asked if i am and optimist who worries. i am very glad this summit took place, because i do think that having diplomatic exchanges is better than shooting wars. i am worried because i do not know how this will be followed up. what is interesting is to look at the flimsiness of the
agreement that was signed. it is basically a lot of general phrases. if i go back and i look at the other agreements we have had with the north korean rhetoric or framework they were very detailed. still, they were not lived up to. part of the issue is verification. i think that from what i can tell there hasn't been much discussion. i am hoping that secretary mike pompeo really has all the things he needs in order to make this work. what impressed me was that he said he wanted to make sure the state department was revived and that
democracy was important. when he caught me that is basically what we talked about. now he has to deliver on that. you cannot do diplomacy without diplomats. i think there needs to be more on denuclearization. i found the whole summit fascinating to watch. there were so many signals that i was asked. i was asked if it was a win-win or a kim win? i think it is a kim win and secretary mike pompeo has a big job. >> let me go back to secretary mike pompeo. you and i have both been very vocal over the last year about concerns over budget cuts, concerns over making sure the state department
has its share of full personnel. democracy programs have been a priority for both of us. when secretary pompeo reached out to you, i know he asked for advice, what was your advice? >> he did not yet ask for the advice. he called and said he was interested in some of the things that i had written. i had in fact written about the state department budget and the importance of it and democracy. i do think i listen to the last group, when you talk about how much the state department budget is, i am all for the military. this is not a matter of trade- off. the budget from the defense department is kind of like $700
billion. the budget for the state department is $38 billion. it is crazy. we are asking our diplomats to do things very difficult for them to do. plus, the money that goes for foreign assistance. by the way, i do not think foreign assistance are two words that go together. i think we should call it national security support. i know that a lot of development people would prefer that not be it, but i think one has to explain why it is good for us to be able to help the country. i think that it is very important when people go to the hill to explain as local leaders this is essential. not only that we have to pay the dues to our international organizations. i am hoping that he will call me.
i have been up to the hill a lot in order to argue for the foreign assistance budget generally. i think that it is very important. i think there is help across the aisle. and i have spent a lot of time. lindsey graham has been an remarkable leader. >> you said that you are an optimist. an optimist who was realistic. you travel all over the world. we are going to talk about some of the big crisis is in the world today, famine, terrorism and hunger and refugees. but share with us where you are optimistic when you travel the world and you see things they give you hope? >> what gives me great hope is the younger generation. in all of the countries there
is a burgeoning younger generation. one of the things we spoke about in africa that resounded me is many have been educated in the united states. our ridiculous laws at the moment are keeping people out and are undermining the education of american students who want to spend time learning about what is going on in foreign countries. i think the younger generation is what gives me hope. they want to help their country. they want to be illiterate -- really literate in terms of new capabilities. the same thing is true here. in my book when i happen going around i say that we are all used to this thing about see something-say something. i have added to do something.
among the to do things there is yet to be a book or speech given that does not quote robert frost. i have quoted him and he says the older i get the younger are my teachers. we have seen it here in the united states with the high school students. we are seeing it in other parts of the world. that is what gives me hope, this can-do approach of the next generation. >> do you find what you teach at georgetown, do you find that you are getting more students enrolling in international foreign-policy development? >> a lot of students are interested, but what they are not doing is some of them are not taking for services. to go back to what we were saying, i think what had happened, and i am hoping that secretary tillerson will no longer have those views, he went to the hill and when they were
offering him money he did not want it. i think secretary pompeo is working with it. not only were there freezes at the state department, but it was basically cutting off the pipeline. it is the people who are in their 20s deciding they are not going in and it is undermining. they are interested in foreign policy and what is interesting is the number of them who have traveled abroad, speak different languages, and want to be a part of the development story and try to figure out other ways. what i have found more and more interesting in my own learning process is the role of public- private partnerships. many of them will go into the private sector if they cannot get into the public one, which will be a loss for the public sector. i do think the partnership with the private sector is important. >> what is fascinating is the number of people here today from the private sector and it
is extraordinary. i think if you do not know, there has been an extraordinary driver in public-private partnerships. because of time i will end with the following question: i urge you all to read her not only last book, fascism , a warning that will give you an extraordinary look at the history as well as our current world order, but also take a look at an earlier book. it is an extraordinary look at her diplomatic toolkit, which is how you have set a bar on diplomacy, of using pins to help move diplomacy forward. all of us are going to capitol
hill tomorrow to meet with our legislators to advocate for the importance of the development of deployment -- diplomacy and democracy. i want to know how you chose your pin for today, but what pin should we virtually or actually wear tomorrow to make our case? >> first of all thank you. the whole book about read my pin is my effort to make foreign-policy less foreign. it started because i love jewelry. i was at the united nations right after the gulf war and the cease-fire had been translated into a series of sanction resolutions. my instructions were to make sure the sanctions stayed on. every day i said something terrible about saddam hussein,
which he deserved. all of a sudden a pole appeared comparing me to many things, but among them an unparalleled serpent. so i had a snake pin and i started wearing it whenever we spoke about iraq. the press noted it and asks why i was wearing it? i said because saddam hussein called me an unparalleled serpent. i went out and purchased a lot of costume jewelry to depict whatever i was going to do on any given day. on good days i work flowers and on bad days i wore a lot of spiders and car nervous animals. -- and animals. the other ambassadors noticed is that what are we doing and i said read my pin. when i was secretary of state we found the russians were bugging the state department. we found a guy listening to us and we did what diplomats do.
so i wore this huge bug and he knew exactly what i was saying. i am wearing the statue of liberty today because i am a refugee. what is going on now is un- american. i really do hope that people talk about that. the truth is to go back to my book, as i learned my family spate what happened was my cousin was separated from her mother.
and if we're doing it for humanitarian purposes or for self interests, they go together. so just go up there and tell it like it is! >> ladies and gentlemen -- [ applause ] >> how about thanking the angel of the world, madeleine albright. you are amazing! >> thank you. thank you. thank you very much. coming up tonight on "c- span 3", panels from the global litigation center. and followed by a decision by
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