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  President Trump Meets with House Senate Democratic Leadership  CSPAN  December 11, 2018 1:39pm-1:57pm EST

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finishing up with the most recent capitol hill hearing on data collection practices and concerns. back on september 5th, twitter ceo jack dorsey and facebook head mark zuckerberg appeared at a similar hearing. you can go to our website, c-span.org to see that. type "dorsey" in the search box and you can also see today's house judiciary committee hearing, just wrapping up here with the google ceo. you can watch that anytime online at c-span.org. as we leave the end of this hearing, house minority leader nancy pelosi and senate democrat leader chuck schumer were at the white house this morning to talk with the president about government funding. we'll show you a portion of that and after the meeting, they spoke with reporters.
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okay, thank you very much. it's a great honor of nancy pelosi with us and chuck schumer with us and we've actually worked very hard on a couple of things that are happening. criminal justice reform. as you know, we just heard word, got word that mitch mcconnell and the group were going to be putting it up for a vote. we have great democrat support, great republican support. so criminal justice reform, something that people have been trying to get, how long, nancy, many years? >> a long time. >> many, many years. looks like it's going to be passing, hopefully. famous last words. on a very bipartisan way and it's really something we're all very proud of and again, tremendous support from republicans and tremendous support from democrats.
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and i think it's going to get a very good vote. and we'll see soon enough. but it will be up for pa vote very shortly. a lot of years they've been waiting for it. the other thing, the farm bill is moving along nicely. and i guess they'll be voting on friday or so but pri close. i think the farm bill's in very good shape. a lot of good things are happening with it and our farmers are well taken care of. and again, that will be quite bipartisan and it will happen pretty soon. and then we have the easy one, the wall. that will be the one that is the easiest of all. what do you think, chuck? maybe not? >> it's called funding the government, mr. president. >> so we're going to see. i'll tell you, the wall are get built, but we'll see what happens. it is not an easy situation, because the democrats have a different view, i think, than i can say the republicans. we have great republican support. we don't have democrat support. but we're going to talk about that now. we're going to see. one thing that i do have to say is tremendous amounts of wall have already been built and a
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lot of, a lot of wall, when you include the renovation of existing fences and walls, we've renovated a tremendous amount. and we've done a lot of work. in san diego, we're building new walls right now and right next to san diego, we've completed a major section of wall and it's really worked well. a lot of wall has been built. we don't talk about that, but we might as well start, because it's building -- it's being built right now. big sections of wall. and we will continue that. and one way or the other, it's going to get built. i would like not to see a government closing, a shutdown. we will see what happens over the next short period of time. but the wall's a very important thing to us. i might put it a different way. border security is extremely important. and we have to take care of border security. when you look at what happened with the caravan, a lot of people, we had no choice, we shut it down. but it could be a lot easier if
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we had real border security. i just want to pay my respects to the border patrol agents and officers, they have been credibl incredible. and very importantly, our military. our military went in and did an incredible job. they have been really, really spectacular. a lot of the people that wanted to come into the country and really, they wanted to come in, no matter how they wanted to come in, they were going to come in, even in a rough way, many of these people are league now and they're going back to their countries, honduras, guatemala, el salvador and other countries. they're leaving. if you noticed, it's getting a lot less crowded in mexico and a lot of them are going to stay in mexico and the mexican government has been working with us very well. but they haven't been coming into our country. we can't let people come in that way. that's pretty much it. we're going to talk about the wall. i wanted to talk about criminal justice reform, just to let you
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know how positive that is. i wanted to talk about the farm bill, how positive that is. and i want to talk about the wall, and i will tell you, it's a tough issue because we are on very opposite sides of -- i really think i can say border security, but certainly, the wall. but the wall will get built. a lot of the wall is built. it's been very effective. i asked for a couple of notes on that. if you look at san diego, illegal traffic dropped 92% once the wall was up. el paso, illegal traffic dropped 72%, then ultimately 95% once the wall was up. in tucson, arizona, illegal traffic dropped 92%. yuma, it dropped -- illegal traffic, 95 to 96%. i mean -- and that -- when i say "dropped," the only reason where we have any percentage where people got through is because they walk and go around areas
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that aren't built. it dropped virtually 100% in areas where the wall is. it's really effective. if you really want to find out how effective a wall is, just affect israel. 99.9% effective. and our wall will be every bit as good as that, if not better. we've done a lot of work on the wall, a lot of wall is built. a lot of people don't know that. a lot of wall is renovated. we have walls that were in very bad condition, that are now in a-1, tip-top shape. and frankly, some wall has been reinforced by our military and they have done a fantastic job. so the wall will get built, but we may not have an agreement today, we probably won't, but we have an agreement on other things that are really good. nancy, would you like to say something? >> well, thank you, mr. president, for the opportunity to meet with you so that we can work together in a baipartisan way to meet the needs of the american people. i think the american people recognize that we must keep government open, that a shutdown is not worth anything.
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and that we should not have a shutdown. now, you have -- >> a what now? >> you have the white house, you have the senate, you have the house of representatives, you have the votes. you should pass -- >> no, we don't have the votes, nancy, because in the senate, we have 60 votes. >> but in the house, you can bring it up right now today -- >> no, no, excuse me, i can't get it passed in the house if i can't get it passed in the senate. >> the fact is, you can get it started that way. >> the house, we can get passed very easily. and we do. but the problem is the senate, because we need ten democrats to vote. >> no, that's not the point, mr. president. the point is, is that there are equities to be weighed. and we're here to have a conversation, so i don't think we should have a debate in front of the press on this. but the fact is, the house republicans could bring up this bill, if they had the votes, immediately and set the tone for what you want. >> we thought we were going to get it passed in the senate, nancy. we would do it immediately. we can get it passed very easily
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in the house. >> that's -- >> nancy, i would have it passed in two seconds. but it doesn't matter, we can't get it passed in the senate, because we need ten democrat votes. >> let's have our conversation and we can meet with the press again, but the fact is that legislating, which is what we do, you begin to make your point, you state your case, that's what the house republicans could do, if they had the votes. but there are no votes in the house, a majority of votes, for a wall, no matter where you start. >> that's exactly right. >> if i needed the votes for the wall in the house, i would have them in one session. it would be done. >> but then do it. >> it doesn't help, because we need ten democrats in the senate. >> don't put it on the senate, put it on the negotiation -- >> let me ask you this, and we're doing this in a very friendly manner. it doesn't help me to take a vote in the house where i will win easily with the republicans. >> you will not win. >> it doesn't help to take that vote, because i'm not going to get the vote of the senate. i need ten senators that's the problem. >> you have the white house, you have the senate.
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you have the house of representatives. >> the white house is done. and the house would give me the vote if i wanted it. but i can't, because nancy, i need ten votes from chuck. >> let me say -- >> let me just say one thing. the fact is, you do not have the votes in the house. >> nancy, i do. >> let's take the vote and we'll find out. >> nancy, we need border security. it's very simple. >> of course we do. >> we need border security. people are pouring into our country, including terrorists. we have terrorists. we caught ten terrorists over the last very short period of time. ten. these are very serious people. our border agents, all of our law enforcement, has been incredible, what they've done, but we caught ten terrorists. these are people that were looking to do harm. we need the wall. we need, more important than anything, we need border security of which the wall is just a piece. but it's important. chuck, did you want to say something? >> here's what i want to say. we have a lot of disagreements here. "the washington post" today gave you a whole lot soft of pinocch because they say you constantly misstate how much of the wall is
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built and how much is there. but that's not the point. we have a disagreement about the wall. not on border security, but on the wall. we do not want to shut down the government. you have called 20 times to shut down the government. you say, i want to shut down the government. we don't. we want to come to an agreement. if we can't come to an agreement, we have solutions that will pass the house and senate, right now, and will not shut down the government, and that's what we're urging you to do. not threaten to shut down the government -- >> you don't want to shut down the government, chuck -- >> -- because you can't have it your way. let me say something, mr. president. you just say, my way or we'll shut down the government. we have a proposal that democrats and republicans will support, to do a cr, that will not shut down the government. we urge you to take it sflp a. >> and if it's not good border security, i won't take it. >> it's very good boefrder security. >> if you look at these numbers of the effectiveness of our border security and look at the job that we're doing with our military security. >> you just said effective.
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>> can i tell you something? without a wall, these are only areas where you have the walls. where you have walls, chuck, it's effective. where you don't have walls, it is not effective. >> let's call a halt to this. we've come in here, the of gove. article i, the legislative branch. we're coming in to negotiate with you about how we can keep the government open. >> we're going to keep it open if we have border security. if we don't have border security, we're not going to keep it open. >> i'm with you. we'll have border security. >> no bragging about what has been done. we want to do the same thing we did last year this year, that's our proposal. if it's good then, it's good now. and it won't shut down the government. >> chuck, we can build a much bigger section. >> let's quit debating about it. let's debate in private. >> it's devoid of facts. >> think we all agree we need border security. see, we get along. thank you, everybody.
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>> border security and the wall. can you have border security without the wall? >> we need the wall. the wall is part of border security. >> can you define what it means to have border security? >> we need border security. you can't have good border security without the wall. >> that's not true. that's a political promise, border security is a way to effectively honor our responsibility. >> you can do border security without a wall, which is wasteful and doesn't solve the problem. >> it totally solves the problem. >> unfortunately, this has spiralled downward. when we came to a place to say how do we meet the needs of the american people, who have needs. the economy has -- people are losing their jobs. the market is in a -- our members are -- >> the lowest unemployment in 50 years. >> 50 people of the republican party are losing their offices now because of the transition. people are not -- the morale is not -- >> nancy, excuse me, did we win
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the senate? we won the senate. >> when the president brags he won north dakota and indiana, he's in real trouble. >> we did win north dakota and indiana. >> this is the most unfortunate thing. we came in here in good faith, and we're entering into this kind of a discussion in the public view. let us -- no. >> full transparency. >> it's not transparency when we're not stipulating to a set of facts and we wanted to have a debate. >> we need border security. that's what we're talking about, border security. good we don't have border security, we'll shut down the government. this country needs border security. the wall is a part of border security. let's have a talk. we're going to get the wall built, and we have done a lot of wall already. it's a big section, a big part. >> is it everything you need? >> a big part of it. we need to have effective border security. we need a wall in certain parts, not in all parts, but certain
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parts of the 2,000-mile border, we need a wall. >> how much money? >> we are doing it much under budget. we're actually way under budget on the areas we have renovated and areas we have built. i would say if we got $5 billion, we could do a tremendous chunk of wall. >> this isn't a question. this is a national emergency. drugs are pouring into our country. people with tremendous medical difficulty and medical problems are pouring in, and in many cases, it's contagious. they're pouring into our country. we have to have border security. we have to have a wall as part of border security. and i don't think we really disagree so much. i also know that, you know, nancy is in a situation where it's not easy for her to talk right now. i understand that. i fully understand that. we will have a good discussion and we'll see what happens. but we have to have border security. >> mr. president, please don't
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characterize the strength that i bring to this meeting. as the leader of the house democrats, who just won a big victory. let me just say -- >> and that's why the country is doing so well. >> the president representing his cause over there are not factual. we have to have an evidence-based conversation about what does work, what money has been spent, and how effective it is. this isn't just -- this is about the security of our country. we take an oath to protect and defend. and we don't want to have that mischaracterized by anyone. >> i agree with you. >> i agree with that. >> so let us have a conversation where we don't have to contradict in public the statistics that you put forth, but instead can have a conversation about what we really want, and what the american deserve from us at this uncertain time in their lives. >> we can agree that we shouldn't shut down the government over a dispute. you want to shut it down.
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you keep talking about it. >> the last time, chuck, you shut it down. >> no, no. >> then you opened it quickly. i don't want to do what you did. >> 20 times you have called for, i will shut down the government if i don't get my wall. none of us have said -- >> you want to put it on me. i'll take it. you know what i'll say. yes, if we don't get what we want, one way or the other, whether it's through you, through the military, through anything you want to call, i will shut down the government. >> okay, fair enough. we disagree. we disagree. >> i'm proud to shut down the government for border security, chuck. because the people of this country don't want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. so i will take the mantle. i will be the one to shut it down. i'm not going to blame you for it. the last time you shut it down, it didn't work. i'll take the mantle of shutting down, and i'm shutting it down for border security. >> you shouldn't shut it down. >> thank very much, everybody. >> let's go. make your way out.
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>> we have a lot of great people for chief of staff. a lot of people want the job. a lot of people want the job. and i have some great people. a lot of friends of mine work it. a lot of people chuck and nancy know well want it. i think people you would like. we have a lots of people who want the job of chief of staff. we'll see what happens very soon. we're in no rush. >> why no rush? >> because we have a wonderful chief of staff right now. we're in no rush. over a period of a week or two or maybe less, we'll announce who it's going to be, but we have a lot of people who want the position. thank you very much, everybody.