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urged the obama administration to bypass congress. what do you hear? >> i think that is old news, no new news. that is what has been going on for several years, essentially since the 2010 congressional election. i think that has been their whole strategy on environmental policy, and a bunch of other things since republican to the house in 2010. it is a little hard for me to imagine how they can double down on that. i think they are there already. i can imagine that continuing to >> what is your biggest concern? >> it is what it is now, which is that the obama administration in many cases in environmental action and others as going beyond his constitutional authority, going beyond their role in terms of executive action. i think that should be a very
broad-based concern whether you agree or disagree with what they are doing, just in terms of constitutional democracy. >> what is the senate role to stop that if you are opposed to it? >> we're trying to use all the tools that are available as the minority to push back on that when we think that they are crossing the line. a president has a lot of power. he has the power to make executive action. there are limits to that. they are going beyond that in many cases. reappointments are one example that are being litigated. this will go to the u.s. supreme court. when we think the president is exceeding his constitutional power we pushback on that in any
way we can. on the environment committee where i am very involved, it focuses on regulatory action. i think there are a lot instances where this is happening with the epa going beyond its executive authority. we try to push back on that through oversight. >> we will follow up with coral davenport. >> the report says scientists have concluded with 95% accuracy that human activity is driving the warming of the plant -- planet, leading to increased drought, a future of extreme and dangerous weather. do you concur with this? where do you stand on global warming? >> first of all, that is not as clear to me at all, particularly given the last 10 years which have essentially abated in terms of the trends that were being seen before that.
secondly, even if you agree with that, the question is what are we going to do about it? how do we have an impact? i am very concerned about taking dramatic action that will clearly have a big negative impact on our economy if it is not going to make a difference with regard to a worldwide issue. it is basically china and russia and india not following suit. there is no sign in sight that they will follow suit anytime soon. i have different levels of concern. those are the two biggest levels. >> i interviewed the louisiana state climatologist earlier. this is what he told me. he said louisiana might be the most vulnerable state in the country in terms of climate change. in particular, it has to do with the impact at sea level. the higher it rises the more vulnerable a sea state is.
it is off the charts compared to anywhere else. what is your response? >> we have a huge problem with coastal erosion and all of the issues we are talking about. that is a big problem whether climate is a factor or not. we have been doing a lot to counter that problem and have been making progress. right now louisiana is losing about a football field of coastal area, if you can imagine a football field in your mind, every 38 minutes. that is 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 52 days -- weeks a year. climate has not been a dominant factor in that so far. there are arguments that would be in the future. i think the established science is that so far that is mostly an impact of things like levying the mississippi river, pushing
out what used to be the natural process of building a delta by the mississippi river overflowing its banks in the channelization of our coast which has led to the infusion of salt water into the coast of the marsh which sort of killed vegetation, which is the glue that holds us together. i think those have been the dominant causes. >> in terms, he was taken into account. he said specifically in terms of climate change, louisiana is the most vulnerable to damages. does that concern you? do you agree? >> this concerns me. this is an issue no matter what. we have been doing a lot of things to counteract it. >> i wanted to switch gears and talk about the affordable care act and its implementation. you have been very active in trying to pass an amendment that
would codify in very hard terms what the law has said about members of congress and their staff accepting government subsidized health care. also that members and staff go into an exchange. have you, given where the office of personnel management and federal government office has come down on this and the regulations, are you finished trying to get the senate to pass the vitter amendment and get through the house again? is this something you're going to continue to push where legislation -- and amendments allow? >> i'm going to continue to push. we have not had a vote yet in the senate. i'm not going to give up only
-- when we have not had a vote and will get a vote in 2014. i am going to use every tool available to get that vote. >> do you feel your republican colleagues are as committed as you are? >> some are. some are gritting their teeth and swearing off camera. virtually all of those will vote with me when we get a vote. >> why did you decide to hone in on this? there is a lot of republicans -- problems that republicans feel exist with the affordable care act. this has become a pet project of yours. >> two reasons. first of all, it is so egregious. the actual statutory language in obamacare is clear. it is very clear this is significantly contrary to that statutory language. it comes down to the basic fairness principle. i think the first rule of
american democracy should be that any rule that congress and the white house passes on america should have to live with itself. no special bailout or exemption. that is the core principle. the american people feel this way. their top frustration, and most of them would use a stronger word, is washington thinking it is an elite ruling class that gets to live by different set of rules. number two is a very practical reason which also goes to repealing or fixing obamacare. that is the quicker washington has to live with everything it passes, the quicker washington will start getting things right. the quicker it will understand everything that is wrong with obamacare and deal with it. when chefs have to eat their own
cooking, usually it improves a lot more quickly that way. a very practical application in terms of dealing with obamacare. >> do republicans have a responsibility to offer a replacement to the affordable care act if the general consensus is that you want to repeal? do you have a responsibility short of that given where the politics lies in the white house or the senate should try and lessen the impact of some of the problems that the law had on consumers. there is a discussion over where you should just let people live with it and then they can come to you asking for help or if you should try to fix certain things that affect democrats and have -- things, and in fact, democrats have accused republicans of not wanting to fix it in order to allow to fail. they said that is one of the problems they are having in
fixing the laws issues. what do republicans need to do? what should they do short of being able to repeal it? >> certainly, repeal alone is not good enough. we need significant reform in our health care system. this was a problem before. folks with pre-existing conditions, these are real people who have serious problems getting the coverage they need. we need a solution for that. republicans have offered targeted solutions to the issues. that is not widely understood. i do not think we have communicated it clearly enough. a lot of the media never wants to report about it. we will be underscoring that and explaining those targeted solutions more and better in 2014. we certainly have that responsibility.
>> they are already airing. how big of an issue will this be in 2014? >> i think it is at least 80% of the whole campaign. in terms of what it is about. i don't think it will be unusual. it is a huge issue. >> would you like to see her defeated? >> absolutely. she is helping drive the country in the wrong direction. including helping harry reid to lead the senate and supporting ultra-liberals or -- who disagree with the mainstream of louisiana thought. >> what is your relationship like with her on legislative issues? >> dr. jekyll and mr. hyde on louisiana-based, nonideological issues. we work very closely together on
-- closely together. on national issues were sent to be much more ideological like obamacare. >> i am wondering if you can explain. the gulf coast was devastated by the bp oil spill. since then there has been no new law or federal action to reform the regulations on the offshore oil industry. what should happen? do you talk about this with senator landrieu? >> i disagree with your premise. there's not been a big new statute passed that has been a whole redo of offshore oil and gas regulation. that is a whole new world. in some instances, it has gone too far and added unnecessary burden that does not include this.
-- improve safety. it has been a complete redo. >> there does not need to be a law further governing offshore drilling? >> i do not know exactly what it would be about. there is no statutory change that i think is necessary. we can do more to be more effective and efficient at exploring and producing energy safely. in terms of protecting public health and safety and making sure a disaster like that does not happen again, i do not know what a statute would say or do. >> last year, congress passed a law reforming the national flood
insurance program. at the time, it owed 25 billion dollars to american taxpayers. the purpose was to take the risk for ensuring a property in flood prone areas and take that from the taxpayers and push that on to the private market. you are a number of lawmakers are looking to change or reform that law as a free-market conservative. does it make more sense to move the liability from the taxpayers? why are you pushing back? >> the laws did not privatized flood insurance. what it tried to do was price it better so the individual homeowners would assume it. i am absolute for doing that.
when that threatens to literally throw them out of their home because it is unaffordable, when they followed all the rules they -- rules, they built them for the right elevation. they follow the rules. these are changing over time. there is a widespread understanding that it would lead to higher rates. that was necessary to ensure the solvency of the system. at the time, nobody said there will be a significant number of cases where the premium increases are outright unaffordable.
literally $30,000 a year. that is a whole different story. that does not work regarding fairness. that does not work even in terms of the fiscal goal of making the system more sound. they are not going to be painting those premiums. they will be walking away from their homes. >> we have about seven minutes remaining. >> are you planning to run for governor in 2015? >> i do not know yet. wendy and i are going to talk about it and really focus on it over the christmas holidays. we started to think about it over thanksgiving. we will continue. i expect we will come to a conclusion sometime in january. it comes down to one big
question. what this about is where i can make the most positive difference. whether i stay in the senate or if i run for governor, that will be my last political job, elected or appointed. it comes down to about where i can make the most positive difference. >> why? >> i need a retirement plan. i do not had one yet. i'm not going to stay in elected office for ever. it is very clear to me that if i stay in the senate that will be my last political job, elected or appointed. if i were to be lucky enough to be elected governor, that will be the last political job.
>> what would you want to do? >> i would have come to the conclusion that i can make the most positive impact there. in terms of what i wanted to do, every state has challenges. we have very important challenges in louisiana. i put education along with some other things. top of the list, both k-12 and higher education. >> have the rule changes in the senate, which at least for republicans have been very difficult, affected your thoughts about where you'd like to spend the next eight years or so and do you think about whether or not republicans will win the majority in 2014 as a part of whether or not you want to stick around in washington or go home?
>> i think about both of the things but neither are dominant or determining factors. the recent rules changes make life less pleasant and fulfilling for anybody in the minority. certainly the prospect of getting in the majority after the next election is exciting. i think it is a great prospect. i think 50-50 or better. neither of these things will be determining factors. >> do you think the senate we have seen where republicans are forcing democrats to run out the clock on all of these pieces of legislation are going to be a price that they have to pay next year for the rules change the month? >>hrough last it is not ending this week or the end of the year. they will continue in some form until 2014. what that looks like and feels like is completely up to the democrats. >> as a long-time observer of
you and barbara boxer on the environment committee, i think something a lot of people do not know is that you have been working very closely on a major infrastructure bill together. can you talk about that? is that like a jekyll and hyde relationship? >> it is. we are actually making progress on some environment issues which is unusual on that committee. certainly on the infrastructure side it has been traditional for republicans and democrats to work pretty well together. i will continue that tradition. we came up with a water resources bill a few months ago that i think was a very strong reform oriented bipartisan bill. it came out of our committee. our committee is very ideologically divided. you have some of the strongest
conservatives and some of the most liberal liberals. a whopping majority. we are in conference now. i think we will get to the finish line early next year with a good conference report. as soon as that over, we're going to start on the next bill. we will bring the same bipartisanship to that bill. on the epa side, it is more unusual for that to ever happen. it is happening on reform. that does not involve barbara boxer as much. it did involve frank lautenberg and now tom udall is in that position. we have a good bill that will
pass into law in 2014. >> this is the ethanol mandate. >> correct. that program is broken. whether you want to continue it in some form or whether you want to repeal, i think there is a consensus that there are big problems with the program that threatened to hit the wall that lead to spikes in fuel prices. i am working with abandon and we -- ben cardin and we hope to have a bipartisan bill in january of 2014 to introduce and start. >> a couple of points that are surprising with the bipartisanship. >> asking about iran. negotiations continued. the threat of sanction continues in the senate. do you trust the iranian government when it comes to dismantling the nuclear program? >> i do not. i think sanctions are a necessary backdrop if we are to have any chance of success or
any reasonable solution that does not involve war. because of that, i am part of a significant bipartisan group in the senate that will be introducing and passing sanctions in early 2014. >> you have a minute or two. >> the outgoing reserve -- ben bernanke announces past week -- this past week that he would begin to taper off the quantitative easing. this is a $10 billion minor taper. wall street loved it. i wanted to ask if you thought you -- it should have been stronger or you feel that this has artificially juiced the economy when eventually we have to do away with qe. has that been the right moves to help bridge the gap as the economy has spurred along? -- sputtered along?
>> i felt that it was too much for too long and it was going to lead to problems. time will tell. i hope it does not lead to major problems. i've had that concern for a long time. i certainly understand that we have a horrible economy. i think it is more incumbent on congress and the president to do something in a meaningful way and not get bailed out of this constant monetary policy. i feel it is building into the economy some real dangers that may manifest in the future. >> let me conclude with one question. if bobby jindal runs for president in 2016, will you support him? >> i have not thought about that. i like him and his leadership. i agree with his political values.
i have not thought about what i would do or not do. i do think he will run. i think he will be a meaningful and significant candidate. >> he wants to be president? >> i think that is obvious to everybody who has been paying attention. >> thank you very much for being with us. >> it is a pleasure. >> we continue our conversation with coral davenport and david drucker. some questions on climate issues in louisiana in particular. what did you learn? >> he is in a fastening position. he is the top republican on the senate environment committee. it is very much his role to play a big heart and climate policy. he represents a state that scientists saw will be devastated by climate change. -- say will be devastated by
climate change. and he pretty much evaded the whole thing. he has not spoken about climate science. i hear him running away from an issue that is going to be very important for his state. it's hard for republicans to put together the impact of climate change and the unfortunate economic reality of what it means to deal with climate change. he does not seem ready to put that together yet. >> why? why is he evading this? >> the industry that contributes more to his campaigns are the oil and gas industries.
that is the bulk of louisiana's economy. louisiana lawmakers are stuck between being dependent on the oil and gas industry that drives the economy and fuels their campaign coffers and facing a problem that caused by the oil and gas industry regulating and going after climate policies. it will hurt the same industry that drives the economy. it is a hard problem. i would not want to have it. the way he is dealing with it is not acknowledging the difficulty. >> let's turn to the political side. he had some personal news that dominated the headlines a few years ago. he has moved beyond that. >> if he runs for governor, i assume you'll probably be in a strong position. -- he'll probably be in a strong position. the state is decidedly conservative. mary landrieu is really the last of what was a very strong democratic machine in that state.
bobby jindal has not been perfect. he has been good enough to not lead a political taint. he has shown a nimble ability to stay connected to his voters. despite past transgressions. he has a good connection to louisianans. he may not be the most engaging guy in the world. i can tell sitting here that agree or disagree with them, he notices issues. -- knows his issues. he has opinions on them. he can talk about them. i was particularly taken with how he spoke of flood insurance. he had an opinion of why he did not like the reform that was pushed. he thought it would hurt middle- class louisianians. that is an important quality to have. to try and understand where your rank-and-file voters are. he clearly does that. it will be interesting to see
what he does. although he says the rules changes and whether his party to the majority, he said it would not play a big role as we have seen, i cannot help but think the idea of spending four or eight years as a top guy running a state where your party generally is less and control has to have some appeal. >> what is your take away? what did you learn? >> i would say for a senator that always tells us on capitol hill "i do not do hallway
interviews" he has a lot to say. he knows his issues. i wish he would talk to reporters more. there are still enough the congeniality left in the senate that it is interesting to hear him say he wants to see mary landrieu defeated. when you are a republican or democrat, you almost always want your colleague from the other party to lose. he made no bones about it. he wants her to go. >> i was surprised to hear and -- him say that so strongly. you often see home state senator delegations supporting each other. for a long time the senators from nevada had an arrangement to stay out of each other's races. that was interesting to see. >> coral davenport and david drucker, thank you both for being with us. have a merry christmas. >> thank you. you, too. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] c-span.
we bring public affairs events from washington directly to you, putting you in the room at congressional hearings, white house events, briefings, and conferences, and offering complete gavel-to-gavel coverage of the u.s. house. all as a public service of private industry. c-span, created by the cable tv industry 34 years ago unfunded by your local cable or satellite provider. now you can watch us in hd. marked 25 years since the bombing of pan am flight 103 over scotland that killed 270 people, 11 of whom were bystanders on the ground. held atmemorial service arlington national cemetery for those who lost their lives that day. speakers include eric holder, tsa administrator john pistol, and robert mueller. [applause]
>> thank you, mary kay, for that kind introduction. i hold you personally responsible for the weather today. congratulations. [laughter] it has been said time heals all wounds. you here know that that is not necessarily true. i always are member, will never forget one of the visits i made he had thee, where occasion to see the small wooden warehouse in which were stored the various effects of your loved ones. a white sneaker, a syracuse sweatshirt, christmas presents, .hotographs these ordinary items brought home to me came to symbolize for me your pain and your loss, pain and loss that have not diminished even after so many years.
they brought home to me the certainty that not all losses are equal. in those early days, you live the words of king david from psalm 11. fly away a bird through the mountain, for the wicked have drawn their bows and aim their arrows to shoot from the shadows at good people, and there is nothing a good person can do when everything falls apart. and yet you did not fly away. you did not hide. ground andour maintain the courage of your convictions day after day and .ear after year you sought answers and accountability. you sought solace through memorials, lovingly undertaken by so many around the world, and you worked diligently to ensure that other families would not
have to endure such suffering. through your actions, through the lives you had led and choices you have made, we see that there is much a good person can do when the world falls apart. you created light out of darkness, and out of that light .as come a lasting legacy a legacy of courage in the face of the greatest anniversary, a legacy of solidarity and friendship in the face of isolation, and loneliness. a legacy of peace and understanding in the face of hatred. there can be no greater legacy than that. for many years now, we have stood together to mark this dark day. as we do so, we mark your strengths and your steadfastness. we mark the love between parent wife,ild, husband and
sister and brother, friends and family alike, and we mark the friendship of like nations united in a common cause. wounds, andheal all yet time breathes and shifts with the seasons, much like the storms of winter herald spring and the warmth of the sun. time does swallow pain and burnish is the sweetest of memories. time ensures that nothing remains firmly in place, nothing but the promise of better days to come, the promise of hope, and the promise of light. today, may the thought of your loved ones bring a smile to your lips. may you feel the warmth of those who have blessed your lives, even for too brief a time, and may we continue to do everything in our power to ensure a world
that is safe and secure for all. familiesless you, your , and your loved ones. thank you. [applause] >> i let him get away too fast. flight 103 of pan am , our organization is based on four objectives. seeking the truth come a providing emotional support, improving aviation security and safety, and combating terrorism. there is an award we set aside for some special recipients. it is called, keeping the spirit alive. it was developed to recognize the person or persons who over a long. time haveriod of
succeeded in keeping the government and public aware of the important lessons learned from this terrorist action. we honor those working with the victims of pan am flight 103, to achieve these goals while remembering those lost by keeping their spirits alive. i would like to present this award to robert mueller. [applause] >> good afternoon. i have another introduction much like mary kay's of a longtime .riend of the pan am families
the attorney general of the mind, states is, to my ahead of the most important government agency. ,e is the nation's top lawyer much like frank mulholland, he doesn't have a title -- he's not called reverend wright, honorable, whatever it is. [laughter] they don't even call our attorney general secretary, but the department which has thousands and thousands of lawyers, many of whom are here today, and fbi members are here -- to but it is an agency some of us, it's the most important. you ask someone what the word justice means, i asked 10 people out there. you would probably get at least
five different answers. another five would google it and see what wikipedia says justice means. we know what it means. we have an innate feeling of what it is. it's the main reason our group was formed. we're not there yet. and theiry close, close because of people like eric holder, who has worked on this case from the very beginning, and kept us apprised of what was going on to the extent he could. he's been here several times. last year the weather was terrible and he had to leave because he said his boss had called a meeting. if you are in cabinet, you know who the boss is. he said, i will be here next year. and he is. we are very honored to have the chief lawyer of the united states, and a longtime friend of the families. eric holder. [applause]
>> good afternoon. thank you for those kind words, and for your many years of service and leadership alongside your fellow members of the families of the victims of pan am flight 10 three. i would also like to recognize the dedicated public servants here today, including my dear friend bob mueller, who has been involved in this case since he led the justice department costs artment's criminal justice division. u.s. attorney of the northern district of new york, whose sister was aboard flight 103 on that fateful night. calls foroup
a presidential commission on airport security. i know the rick's mother and sister and their families are among the many family members in the crowd today. i had a chance to meet with them yesterday in the justice department. although a quarter-century passed since the world was shaken, and so many lives were devastated by a heinous and cowardly act of terror, no amount of distance or time can ease the pain or erase a loss that was inflicted on that day. even now it is difficult to of aehend the magnitude senseless crime that claimed the lives of 259 innocent men, women, and children in the skies above scotland, all with lives of 11 residents of the peaceful
town of lockerbie. some were traveling to the u.s. for the very first time. some were enjoying quiet evenings with their families. some were on their way to visit with friends and relatives. some were subtly trying to come home. and although their respective journeys and individual lives all cut tragically short, will continue to be dearly loved and deeply missed by everyone who knew them, and especially by those who come together on this patch of what is truly hallowed ground each year to pay tribute to the lives that were stolen, and heal those who were irreparably changed. we will always member the heartache and the pain that was etched into our collective memory on the 21st of december, 1988. we also recall as we gather each year the tremendous generosity of the scottish people, in particular the people of ownerbie, who despite their
losses, open their homes to the families and victims who streamed into that small town from around the world in the days after the bombing. in the midst of their anguish, these generous men and women gave what comfort they could after -- offer. determination that the families and victim advocates to join together to seek answers and understanding. some of these individuals, including many of the current and former fbi agents, justice department, prosecutors and other officials who are with us help selflessly defined the quest for justice in the aftermath of this crime as their life's work. more than anything, as we assemble in this place of remembrance year after year, we recall the moments of unity and of love that have arisen from the grief that we share. thatmember the occasions
have brought this community together. not only in morning, but in search of healing and hope. and in celebration of the extraordinary lives. we keep calling for change and fighting for justice on behalf of those no longer with us. we rededicate ourselves and our nation to the quality that defined the men and women that we lost. we continue to be drawn together every year on this date, faces old and faces new, friends long departed, and members of fresh generations, including some who bear the names of absent loved ones vomit to lend our voices to this solemn memorial homage . still striving to build from an unspeakable evil and lasting legacy of compassion, fellowship, and love.
lives in the resolve that brings us together and pushes us forward each day. our unfinished but ongoing work to see that justice is done and to ensure that those who commit acts of terror are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. it endures in our determination to secure a brighter future for ourselves and our fellow citizens, a future that is free from hatred and senseless discretion that has touched your lives and far too many others great may our continuing efforts serve as a monument to those who were taken from us 25 years ago. may we never tire in our work to forge a society and a world worthy of the empathy and grace that unites this remarkable group. and may god bless the memories
of those we have lost. and the great nation we will forever hold the victims of pan am flight 103 in our hearts. each of the loving families as well that we hold near and dear in our hearts. thank you all. [applause] >> the next thing on our program is playing "taps." i would ask that everybody stand for that. we will have the riesling first -- wreathling first, and then "taps."
the next part in the program is we have a couple of awards to give out. it says me, but i'm not going to hand them out, and i would ask for glen johnson and brian flynn, if they would please come forward and help me with this next part of the program. >> there have been very many people who have been able to devote their talents to helping this organization, people we do not always acknowledge. i would like to take this time themke a couple and let
know how much we really appreciate what they have done. they have worked with her organization for a long time. they have done so much for us, in ways in which they do not receive recognition. when they took our little newsletter and in three years created it into the news we are able to publish not only for our families, but also for others in the government and people who want to help us in our efforts, it is a worthy publication of which everyone is aware of. every time we have been able to put on a major event, they have been working very diligently to prepare and let everyone see what we are about.
>> the first thing i would like to do is thank the victims of pan am flight 103. it is amazing when ordinary -- extraordinary people come together and accomplish extraordinary things. that have families come together through the years have inspired us. i want to thank them. i am quite honored to sit here and pitcher b to my mother. that is quite stressful -- pay tribute to my mother. that is quite stressful. i better not screw that up. kathleen has been a tireless crusader from the moment she learned her son was murdered on pan am flight 103. she first learned about what was called an accident, she knew seconds later it was a bombing. mothers have an instinct about this thing.
i remembered more than two weeks after the bombing we went over to lockerbie, and i saw my mother crossed the room and start lecturing margaret thatcher about how justice had to be done. i thought, what is she doing? but that was just her getting started. mclachlan,iend, and i remember kathleen on the phone with her. we were not getting much sleep back then. i remember her yelling at her , saying, i will not have my son die in vain. justice has to be done. i knew then that even though my brother was dead that our lives were going to change. the ann was asked to leave commission to investigate what happened and how i could have been prevented, she knew she had
no choice, or kathleen would have killed her as well. [applause] [laughter] kathleen helped work with frank and and on the commission as a pseudo-staff member. she quickly became a force. she made many trips back to new york to join protests at the u.n. people in the situations often use their gifts for different things. kathleen had many gifts, and one of which was imposed on her by the nuns at marymount, the gift of the pen. "the daily record," and dozens of others. she made hundreds of tv and radio appearances, including a memorable one where she occultist the impossible. she shamed alan dershowitz on "the today show," not an easy feat. supportingnsidering
fema and quickly changed his mind after facing kathleen. during the trial, she told her husband, we're not leaving until there is a verdict. on the day of the verdict, kathleen was scheduled for breast cancer surgery. after watching closed-circuit television, she hopped in a cab to get to her appointment. the verdict was too important, and her surgery would have to wait. i remember the doctor saying, why can't you get on to -- hrere on time? she made her son and daughter- in-law to bear witness. we were given very specific instructions on what our messaging points were, which appeared in an op-ed in "the wall street journal." cathleen's passion to honor her
[applause] >> thank you. that was beautiful. it really, really was. thanking diane, i want to make sure i think the choir. started singing for us because i think mary kay used to go to that church many years ago, when she lived in virginia. she got the connection started. they have been coming back ever since. they have been wonderful. we have a new piper this -- yes. yes, thank you. [applause] we have a new piper this