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but knows that everything you are saying is true -- how do we assist in this movement that definitely needs to happen, and secondly, does tulane service coordinating help with this? >> i sent a bunch of babies over to them and learned a lot. i had been doing service learning in new jersey and chicago. i learned a lot about new orleans through the mistakes i made by pulling my babies and sending them over. i was humbled to hear -- we have to be careful about our service learning model versus and engage fellowship model. >> i will say this one thing. for example, i have a wonderful relationship with tulane's school of social work.
i actually spoke at their graduation last year. it is funny because i love my relationship with them. we are able to be very honest. i am able to say what kind of students i want to come through. i say that because we get a lot of students that come in, and they want to save everybody. i'm constantly saying, not one person wants you to save them. they simply want the tools they need so they can do it for themselves. also, i love the fact that they can save -- say, we don't have any students of color this year. that is honest. i have had that with other programs, as well. because our clients are majority african-american -- i actually make the joke, and maybe some of you may not take it lightly -- how white are they?
when i say, how white are they, she will answer me, no, no, good range. [laughter] in that, i can tell you we have had -- every student we have had, they are now waiting or trying to figure out how they can find money so they can come back and work at women with a vision. we e-mail. we talk. that makes me feel like we are doing something right, when students who could go off and make major money are trying to figure out how they can take care of themselves in this city so they can organize and do the work with us -- it says a lot. >> i think it is about transformation on both sides. it is about being willing and being open and understanding where you come from, what is your privilege, how it is that folks like you can use your
privilege, and what it is you can use it for to move the effort forward. it is not without black people having no privilege. i understand that they do. identify what that is. black people know what white people's privilege is. what people often don't know what black people's privilege is. having that conversation, which is a difficult conversation -- people often say they want to help -- what does that mean? you are coming in, writing in on the horse -- i've got the flag on and i'm going to straighten everybody out -- no, no, that is not how it works. people that have done this work -- i cannot speak for deon or susan -- trust is a huge issue. you can come with all the money in the world, and you can set it right on the table, and you can leave. do you understand what i'm
saying? if you want to have a relationship with me, understand what it is you are living in. we are living in this together. how do we get past everything that we have been told, what i have been told, what you have been told, the myths, the misnomers, all of that? >> i actually am the americorps vista leader here at tulane at the center for public service. i work with a team of vista, and a lot of them are recent college grads. they finished in may or maybe a couple years before that or they might be grad students. we have a couple of folks outside of that range, like myself, the we are really a minority -- but we are a minority. in terms of the training, asking about race and gender or equality or inequality, one of the things, especially with the trayvon martin case that was
mentioned before, one of the things that i think a lot of us found out in conversation with people that we see everyday, people that we know, that we love and care about us, is that the experience of being an american if you are white is very different than the experience of being an american if you are not white. for me specifically, it is black, but i think that is also true for other people of color, for women in general, for the lgbt community. it really hit home for me because my boyfriend is white. we've had conversations about trayvon martin. he was saying, it was just too dumb people who made mistakes. this idea, we don't know what trayvon was up to that night -- that was something that i heard on a local radio station. you know what i mean? they were saying, it wasn't verified that trayvon wasn't a criminal.
one of the things that i was surprised to see come out was the conversation about "the conversation" that we as a community have to have with each and every one of our sons about how they are perceived when they are out on the street, no matter what they are doing, and how they should respond to that, that it is their responsibility to come home, that it is not the time for their pride, they need to take whatever abuse that is. >> the thing is, we have to have the same cons were conversation with our daughters. we cannot say that it is just an issue with our sons. our way of thinking as women of color, as black women, we need to sit down and think about how it is we have internalized this oppression. being oppressed, not being able to speak in our own voice and to say what it is we need to say, to take on the idea of the angry black woman, that is not who we are.
we definitely need to consider our girls. we only think about our boys. our girls are being swept under the rug. [applause] >> my point actually was going to be that i think that we do have a similar conversation with each and every one of our daughters, but that is a different conversation about perception. it tends to be the perception that they internalize about themselves. the story that i found myself telling over and over again to my boyfriend and on facebook and two other people that wanted to talk about this case was, my niece just turned four years old this year, but she was three at the time -- she told me that she didn't want to be brown anymore because she needed to be white so that she could be the princess and where the pretty pink dress. this is a conversation that i think black families know we are going to have with our daughters. we know we are going to have it with our young daughters.
i didn't expect to have it with my three-year-old niece. i thought this is going to come at six or seven or eight. that is what i mean the experience about being an american is very different in colored skin. we have to look at our sons and say, perception does this for your life. we have to look at our daughters and say, perception does this for your life. sort of guarded their minds and hearts and souls about it. my question is, how do we, in an integrated community, make that experience real for people who don't live it but will still have to make decisions about stand your ground laws, george zimmerman verdicts, trayvon martin, those everyday things that for us are so personal, but to them are another day in the life? >> i wonder within our own selves, have we had a conversation? why aren't we having the conversation amongst ourselves?
why do we want other folks to understand first? we don't even understand it. we don't have a conversation about -- i will tell you one thing -- i have seven children. my sister raised my two older daughters. my sister suggested to my second daughter that she marry an older man, because an older man had security, right? he would be able to offer her what she needed because he worked for some time and amassed the money. our own perception -- do you understand what i'm saying? our own perception within our own culture, i don't understand why my sister would tell my daughter this. >> two very quick things. raising a daughter, i feel you on the princess thing, but i want to be careful about overly gendering it.
the perceptions are not just about a feminine experience, but also the surveillance of the state on black women and poor women and latinas -- it doesn't always look like stop and frisk. sometimes it does, by the way. sometimes it looks like something different. surveillance around anything -- your point about, if your child is in the free lunch program, then your whole family is under state surveillance, right? the second thing i want to say, let's be careful about the assumption that anything going on with us internally, psychologically is the cause of our inequality. one of the most important things you said -- an integrated community -- where do you live? communities are not integrated. one of the things that black folks would realize if we spent more time with what people -- i have lived in chicago, taught at
princeton, i have seen a lot of white people -- it turns out a lot of people are deeply screwed up. a lot of white mothers are screwed up. a lot of what people feel bad about themselves. a lot of what people do drugs. a lot of white people rape other people. a lot of what people have all kinds of negative emotions and feelings. some have had a bad life experiences. many white people are not ethical or moral or have it together. they have all kinds of cash. i have resources, opportunity, privilege. i don't mean each and every white person, but as a group, the median white person is no more inherently together than the median person of color. but the median white house sold is shielded from the realities of humanity, the frailties, the fragility's of loving the wrong person, marrying the wrong person, making bad decisions. they are not protected from it because they have worked out
their angst about being descended from slaveholders. that is not why they are doing better. they are doing better because they are not under state surveillance. the whole "breaking bad series -- bad" series, doing all these things, not going to jail, all because he's white. i'm sorry, i just went on a whole thing. [applause] >> i need to say this. >> it is killing me. >> please. [laughter] when police and sheriffs come into our neighborhoods, they walked out of the police station using the acronym f.u.n. for what is about to take place in our neighborhood. they are coming out of the door,
holster down, strapped up, saying they are about to go have fun in our neighborhood. >> i have to say this one thing quickly because i always tell people i am an aries. you tell them sometimes it is not the right time to be tried full. -- prideful. i had both my children by the time i was 16. in the city, because i was struggling with my sexuality at the time and i really tried to like boys. it didn't work in that way. i have no problem saying that at this time in my life, but at 12th and 13 i was unclear about what that looked like. i knew one thing, when i had my son in the city of new orleans.
my big fear was that he would either go to jail or end up dead. i did everything i could by age 18 or 19 to move us to a very white midcity. we were one of three black families. i was hired when i was 18 because my employer saw something in me. she saw something. what is important about that is what i was exposed to or what i had access to as 18 mom in this city. someone gave me a book called black mothers and their sons, how to raise them and not coddle. i taught my son to be prideful.
i told him to ask the officer why are you stopping me. he has never been incarcerated and never got to jail. i asked him how many times his mother argued with the police and said if you do not remove my son, because you have no legal right to hold him, it is going to be something. what is your badge number? or every time he came home at age 12 saying mom, what is my social security number? i wasn't poor enough so i didn't get any assistance. he said every time the police saw me they said the next time i see you you better know it. i needed him to be a prideful black man. it is almost necessary. i needed him to know he had a right to speak up for himself. every time they would do that we would go to the police integrity and i would demand an apology
every time. even to this day when -- every time you stop in the car, he will dial his mom and say they're pulling me over, the kids are in the car. i do think you meant anything by it, but i wanted to say it is one thing when you talk about ego, but pride is something we have to teach. it kept him alive and not from most of the things that most of us fear, because he really wasn't in that environment. it kept him alive in dealing with the other fear, the other people that could have taken his life. >> that is very powerful when i think about when your kid gets old enough to not call you. >> he is 30. >> my partner and i are raising a seven-year-old. my partner says please help you,
cops chase you. there is a gender reality to that. i'm going to go back to my prison nation thing. i have told my -- part of the prison nation is what captures our minds and our spirits. disney does that to black girls. it is a to all girls, but to me, i think about trying to build a world where we are not involved in corporate driven capitalist consumption that leads black girls to one long blonde hair that can get them out of a -- a tower, rapunzel. i want to have a world where
that is not the standard of beauty. if that captures your mind the same way that a cop chases you down -- i'm not sure and say they're the same thing because they are materially very different experiences, that the possibility of building a different kind of world says that there is beauty in all shapes and colors and sizes and genders. marriage equality is important not because we can get married but because people respect to we love and respect our family, right? it reframes things in a certain way. pride is always important in that project. it always says who i am, what i do, how are live, what i love, what i live through is as anyone else. that, to me, is when we will start to decrease their use of the state to enforce certain standards of normativity. that is what has led to the buildup of a prison nation, mass
incarceration, disney. [laughter] >> one of the things i want to commend you all for, i know for a view. you are all my heroes. the thing is about this whole event is that it has been a long time coming. when you talk about incarceration, we think about males only. having been on that side of the fence, i always wondered about implications and complications of females have. for females going to the same age, i go to jail at 35, she was more than i lose. i can moderate 60 and can still be someone who procreate -- who can procreate. for female she can't do that. every time we talk about it we
envision what happens in angola and not what is going on in one horse towns were females are being incarcerated. 25 years ago there were 800 females incarcerated in his state. there are so many now it would be considered alarming. i really encourage you to get involved with one of our partners. [applause] tulane has been good with the service. folks are coming in and helping in the community. i remember bill clinton saying one time, and down out of the peanut gallery, get out of the ring, roll up your sleeves and do some work.
[applause] >> exactly. [applause] i can't imagine a more fitting way in the city of new orleans to and any panel on incarceration than to have noris stand up and tell us to roll up our sleeves and do work. i also appreciated in part because there is this way in which we talk about men and women during our first assumption is husbands and wives or romantic partners. we forget the partnership is often -- my husband is great, but that is not what we're going for. partnership here is about the ability to work together as peers. when i appreciate is that these women are sheroic. i appreciate noris representing that. i do want to thank tulane for
bringing the folks in tonight and for putting this together. i want to thank the community at tulane for engaging in the difficult conversations that are part of reading michele alexander's book together and the differences of opinion but that will undoubtedly bring up. i want to thank each and everyone of you because the work you do is thankless work or thanked by only a few. i will say right now that i appreciate that you kept bringing us back to this idea of vision. if we can't imagine a world that is different -- my daughter parker is in sixth grade. she spent this week having to memorize the second paragraph of
the declaration of independence. that said, she was very irritated by having to learn this and kept expressing her irritation as being that it wasn't true, that racism and sexism in slavery, all these words were just words and they were true. i'm a big fan of the declaration of independence. it doesn't matter fully that they were true in that moment in 1776, they constituted a vision of what was possible. the notion of a matching a world where all people are created equal, where they are endowed to something beyond the state in these fundamental rights and yet the state exists and is legitimate only to the extent that it protects those rights and protects them for all persons and for self-evidently quality.
i appreciate you for reminding us that we have to keep visioning, even if we live in a world where empirical realities are different thing. we have to keep imagining a world where the men aren't missing front communities, where we don't assume that our racial differences make us inherently different, or are children are co-conspirators in a crimes. where we don't assume that those who have been incarcerated no longer deserve to be full citizens of the state. i appreciate it because it is a new sort of declaration of independence. [applause] [indiscernible] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013]
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