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it is about being willing and being open and understanding where you come from, what is your privilege, how it is that folks like you can use your privilege, and what it is you can use it for to move the effort forward. it is not without black people having no privilege. i understand that they do. identify what that is. black people know what white people's privilege is. what people often don't know what black people's privilege is. having that conversation, which is a difficult conversation -- people often say they want to help -- what does that mean? you are coming in, writing in on the horse -- i've got the flag on and i'm going to straighten that isy out -- no, no, not how it works. people that have done this work deon ornnot speak for
susan -- trust is a huge issue. you can come with all the money in the world, and you can set it right on the table, and you can lease. do you understand what i'm saying? if you want to have a relationship with me, understand what it is you are living in. we are living in this together. how do we get past everything that we have been told, what i have been told, what you have been told, the myths, the misnomers, all of that? i actually am the americorps vista leader here at tulane at the center for public service. vista, and a team of a lot of them are recent college grads. they finished in may or maybe a couple years before that or they might be grad students. we have a couple of folks outside of that range, like myself, the we are really a minority -- but we are a
minority. training, asking about race and gender or equality or inequality, one of the things, especially with the trayvon martin case that was mentioned before, one of the things that i think a lot of us conversation with people that we see everyday, people that we know, that we love and care about us, is that the experience of being an american if you are white is very different than the experience of being an american if you are not white. for me specifically, it is black, but i think that is also true for other people of color, for women in general, for the lgbt community. it really hit home for me because my boyfriend is white. abouthad conversations trayvon martin. he was saying, it was just too dumb people who made mistakes. this idea, we don't know what trayvon was up to that night --
that was something that i heard on a local radio station. you know what i mean? they were saying, it wasn't verified that trayvon wasn't a criminal. one of the things that i was surprised to see come out was the conversation about "the conversation" that we as a community have to have with each and every one of our sons about how they are perceived when they are out on the street, no matter what they are doing, and how they should respond to that, that it is their responsibility to come home, that it is not the time for their pride, they need to take whatever abuse that is. >> the thing is, we have to have the same cons were conversation with our daughters. say that it is just an issue with our sons. our way of thinking as women of color, as black women, we need to sit down and think about how it is we have internalized this oppression.
being oppressed, not being able to speak in our own voice and to say what it is we need to say, the idea of the angry black woman, that is not who we are. we definitely need to consider our girls. we only think about our boys. our girls are being swept under the rug. [applause] >> my point actually was going to be that i think that we do have a similar conversation with each and every one of our daughters, but that is a different conversation about perception. it tends to be the perception that they internalize about themselves. the story that i found myself telling over and over again to my boyfriend and on facebook and two other people that wanted to talk about this case was, my niece just turned four years old this year, but she was three at the time -- she told me that she didn't want to be brown anymore
because she needed to be white so that she could be the princess and where the pretty pink dress. this is a conversation that i think black families know we are going to have with our daughters. we know we are going to have it with our young daughters. i didn't expect to have it with my three-year-old niece. i thought this is going to come at six or seven or eight. that is what i mean the experience about being an american is very different in colored skin. we have to look at our sons and say, perception does this for your life. we have to look at our daughters and say, perception does this for your life. sort of guarded their minds and hearts and souls about it. my question is, how do we, in an integrated community, make that experience real for people who don't live it but will still have to make decisions about georgeour ground laws, zimmerman verdicts, trayvon martin, those everyday things that for us are so personal, but
to them are another day in the life? >> i wonder within our own selves, have we had a conversation? why aren't we having the conversation amongst ourselves? why do we want other folks to understand first? we don't even understand it. we don't have a conversation about -- i will tell you one thing -- i have seven children. my sister raised my two older daughters. my sister suggested to my second daughter that she marry an older man, because an older man had security, right? he would be able to offer her what she needed because he worked for some time and amassed the money. our own perception -- do you understand what i'm saying? our own perception within our own culture, i don't understand why my sister would tell my daughter this. two very quick things.
youing a daughter, i feel on the princess thing, but i want to be careful about overly genedering it. the perceptions are not just about a feminine experience, but also the surveillance of the state on black women and poor -- itand latinas doesn't always look like stop and frisk. sometimes it does, by the way. sometimes it looks like something different. --veillance around anything your point about, if your child is in the free lunch program, then your whole family is under state surveillance, right? the second thing i want to say, let's be careful about the assumption that anything going on with us internally, psychologically is the cause of our inequality. one of the most important things you said -- an integrated
community -- where do you live? communities are not integrated. one of the things that black folks would realize if we spent -- itime with what people have lived in chicago, taught at princeton, i have seen a lot of white people -- it turns out a lot of people are deeply screwed up. a lot of white mothers are screwed up. a lot of what people feel bad about themselves. a lot of what people do drugs. a lot of white people rape other people. a lot of what people have all kinds of negative emotions and feelings. some have had a bad life experiences. many white people are not ethical or moral or have it together. they have all kinds of cash. i have resources, opportunity, privilege. i don't mean each and every white person, but as a group, the median white person is no more inherently together than the median person of color. but the median white house sold
is shielded from the realities of humanity, the frailties, the fragility's of loving the wrong person, marrying the wrong person, making bad decisions. they are not protected from it because they have worked out their angst about being descended from slaveholders. doings not why they are better. they are doing better because they are not under state surveillance. the whole "breaking bad series series, doing all these things, not going to jail, all because he's white. i'm sorry, i just went on a whole thing. [applause] >> i need to say this. >> it is killing me. >> please. [laughter] sheriffs comed into our neighborhoods, they walked out of the police station using the acronym f
>> they come out of the door, holster down, strapped up, saying they are about to go have fun in our neighborhood. this one thingy quickly because i always tell aries. you tellrea them sometimes it is not the right time to be tried full. i had both my children by the time i was 16. because i was struggling with my sexuality at the time and i really tried to like boys. it didn't work in that way. i have no problem saying that at this time in my life, but at
12th and 13 i was unclear about what that looked like. i knew one thing, when i had my son in the city of new orleans. my big fear was that he would either go to jail or end up dead. i did everything i could by age 18 or 19 to move us to a very white midcity. we were one of three black families. i was hired when i was 18 my employer saw something in me. she saw something. what is important about that is what i was exposed to or what i had access to as 18 mom in this city. called gave me a book
black mothers and their sons, how to raise them and not ka bedle. i taught my son to prideful. i told him to ask the officer why are you stopping me. incarceratedbeen and never got to jail. i asked him how many times his mother argued with the police and said if you do not remove my son, because you have no legal right to hold him, it is going to be something. what is your badge number? or every time he came home at age 12 saying mom, what is my social security number? i wasn't poor enough so i didn't get any assistance. police every time the saw me they said the next time i
see you you better know it. a pridefulm to be black man. i needed him to know he had a right to speak up for himself. every time they would do that we would go to the police integrity and i would demand an apology every time. -- everyhis day when time you stop in the car, he will dial his mom and say they're pulling me over, the kids are in the car. i do think you meant anything by it ist i wanted to say one thing when you talk about ego, but pride is something we have to teach. it kept him alive and not from most of the things that most of us fear, because he really wasn't in that environment. it kept him alive in dealing with the other fear, the other people that could have taken his life. >> that is very powerful when i
think about when your kid gets old enough to not call you. is 30. >> my partner and i are raising a seven-year-old. my partner says please help you, cops chase you. i'm going to go back to my prison nation thing. -- part of the prison nation is what captures our minds and our spirits. disney does that to black girls. it is a to all girls, but to me, i think about trying to build a world where we are not involved in corporate driven capitalist consumption that leads black girls to one long blonde hair aat can get them out of a --
tower, rapunzel. i want to have a world where that is not the standard of beauty. if that captures your mind the same way that a cop chases you down -- i'm not sure and say they're the same thing because they are materially very different experiences, that the possibility of building a different kind of world says that there is beauty in all shapes and colors and sizes and genders. marriage equality is important not because we can get married but because people respect to we love and respect our family, right? it reframes things in a certain way. pride is always important in that project. it always says who i am, what i do, how are live, what i love, what i live through is as anyone else. we will me, is when start to decrease their use of the state to enforce certain
standards of normative video. ity. > one of the things i want to commend you all for, i know for a view. you are all my heroes. the thing is about this whole event is that it has been a long time coming. when you talk about incarceration, we think about males only. having been on that side of the fence, i always wondered about implications and complications of females have. for females going to the same age, i go to jail at 35, she was
more than i lose. i can moderate 60 and can still be someone who procreate -- who can procreate. for female she can't do that. every time we talk about it we envision what happens in angola and not what is going on in one horse towns were females are being incarcerated. 800ears ago there were females incarcerated in his state. it would so many now be considered alarming. i really encourage you to get one of ourth partners. tulane has been good with the service.
folks are coming in and helping in the community. i remember bill clinton saying one time, and down out of the peanut gallery, get out of the ring, roll up your sleeves and do some work. >> exactly. [applause] can't imagine a more fitting way in the city of new orleans to and any panel on incarceration than to have noris stand up and tell us to roll up our sleeves and do work. i also appreciated in part because there is this way in which we talk about men and women during our first assumption is husbands and wives or romantic partners. we forget the partnership is great,- my husband is but that is not what we're going for. here is about the ability to work together as
peers. when i appreciate is that these sheroic. i appreciate noris representing that. i do want to thank tulane for bringing the folks in tonight and for putting this together. i want to thank the community at tulane for engaging in the difficult conversations that are part of reading michele alexander's book together and the differences of opinion but that will undoubtedly bring up. i want to thank each and because the work you do is thankless work or thanked by only a few. i will say right now that i appreciate that you kept bringing us back to this idea of .ision
if we can't imagine a world that is different -- my daughter parker is in sixth grade. she spent this week having to memorize the second paragraph of the declaration of independence. that said, she was very irritated by having to learn this and kept expressing her irritation as being that it wasn't true, that racism and , all theselavery words were just words and they were true. fan of the declaration of independence. it doesn't matter fully that they were true in that moment in 1776, they constituted a vision of what was possible. the notion of a matching a world where all people are created where they are endowed to
something beyond the state in these fundamental rights and yet the state exists and is legitimate only to the extent that it protects those rights and protects them for all persons and for self-evidently quality. i appreciate you for reminding us that we have to keep asioning, even if we live in world where empirical realities are different thing. we have to keep imagining a world where the men aren't missing front communities, where that our racial differences make us inherently children are are co-conspirators in a crimes. i appreciate it because it is a new sort of declaration of independence. [applause]
weapons au gratin. they agreed to remove 500 tons of its most toxic chemical weapons i the end of this year. the rest of the stock albite in the early february. earlier this month, it italy has this as a transfer point for this to be moved to ships where this will be destroyed. you can read more on the "new york times" website at newy orktimes.com normsnow have secular that govern our acceptance or rejection's of the ways in which a god or gods or goddesses can speak to people and what impact that has. qureshi saying he has a special insight into the bible and that these insights help the other members of the community understand the bible better and allows them to understand that they are living
in the end times in a way that most americans do not accept. that by itself does not seem to be a problem. elements,ads to other it triggers law enforcement's concern as well as the popular concern. this idea of somebody listening to god and having his followers to things that seem to be an average -- average norms, that needs to be policed and controlled. religiousrgues that persecution has been prevalent since the mid-1800s, even committed by the government was supposed to protect us. tonight at 9:00. it is on c-span2. >> next, a group of women veterans at the iraq and it understand wars and share their experiences. they talk about their decisions
for entering the service, encountering dangers in war zones and their transitions from military to civilian life. this was part of the new york veteran history series and runs one hour in five minutes. >> i would like to thank everyone for coming out today on pearl harbor day for a very important discussion. i work with outreach services on the veterans programming. this is the third and final panel discussion you have posted here as part of our new york public library, new york veteran series. we are truly honored to have some individuals to share their stories on this stage. this discussion really seeks to celebrate the complete story.
as veterans tell their own stories, civilians and veterans can learn to work with them to reflect the periods of our country better. in your program, you will see more information about the project which is truly the backdrop, backbone of these panel discussions. the oral history itself is an opportunity for everyone to share their story in exactly the way they want to share it. i look forward to listening to more interviews. as we collaborate with the library of congress to make sure the stories are well reserved for future generations. if you would like to interview somebody for this project, let me know.
the contact information is on the back of the program. i would like to thank the women veteran and families network for hosting this event with us and providing some incredible resources and programs for women veterans and their families. would you stand up for a moment? where are you? she is back there. ok. i would encourage you all to ask her about the resources she has for veterans around the city. she is amazing to work with. i would like to move to meg, our moderator this afternoon. we worked to make sure this panel was collaborative. , asking all the veterans what question do you want us to ask and what question would you like us to stay away from? which questions have you wanted
to be asked are rarely ever are? her most recent film tells a story of women who were sent into direct combat as part of an unofficial u.s. army program. he codirected the center for the filmmaker award. it was broadcast on the pbs series "independent lens." she write about media, activism and the documentary form amateurs only co-edited sensible politics. we are truly honored to have her moderate this handle. now i would like to open it up to remarks. >> thank you. i would like to start by
thinking i'll ask kelly and the new york public library for inviting me to moderate today. it is a real honor to be on the same page with all who have served in these post-9/11 conflicts. these are working in 2005. we started with the sunni triangle and now all-male military arterial unit to help deal with some that were arriving when they were encountering iraqi women and children. we saw the american women who were doing this work as po