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the data. good morning. thanks for joining us. >> thanks are having me. host: what drove the improvement this month? , there's the things always a debate over the decline in unemployment if people are finding jobs or losing their attachment with the labor force and not even being part of it. one of the good pieces of news is it looks like it was more people finding jobs. the number of jobs rose substantially. there was a decline in the labor force. we have seen months where people are dropping out and it makes it look like an improvement. this was not one of those months . there really were job gains for people. host: there always is a caveat when we talk about these figures. whether any signs of weakness? >> one of the big ones is that
moving upstill slowly. the entire. recession struck, we have had a very longperiod of low-grade truth -- growth. inflation has been low in the united states. move,our rates don't inflation is still higher than your wages. host: what is happening with long-term unemployment? little bit. down a it has gone down slowly. elevated in any other recession we have ever had. this is one of the things it is disturbing about this recession. once people become long-term
unemployed, it is hard for them to get out of it and one reason for that might be employers discriminate against the long-term unemployed. a joby see people without for six months, they will look for someone else. a game of musical chairs that these people have to start the farthest away from the chair. it makes it difficult to fix their employment problem. host: we have seen higher -- stronger hiring. strongwe reconcile that pace of hiring with some of the weakness that you were just mentioning? >> it's because of how far we were. the recession started in 2007. it was so incredibly severe. 8 million people lost their jobs. it was a very slow road getting back. the population cap growing over
that time. you had people who were born in the 80's and 90's start going to college in entering the labor market. you had this population growth and all of this job loss. there is a huge amount of catch-up that needed to happen. almost seven years since the recession started, there is still a lot of problems going on. that is why you have strong gains. you are coming from such a bad that you needed strong gains. host: the improvement in the employment rate is driven by hiring. why is the workforce shrinking and should we be worried about that? >> there is a huge debate among economists. the demographic. were born right after world war ii.
they were born in 1946. they are in their late 60's. they are at the age where people start to retire. down the number of people in the labor force. when older people are retiring, that is not a huge economic problem. they are going to go on social security and have income. you know most cases. the labor force is also declining as people are discouraged and dropping out. that is a major problem for economists to know which is which. increasingly, a lot think half the decline is the result of the aging. as the conclusion of a white house study earlier this year. that is the conclusion of a recent federal reserve paper.
about half of the decline is the retirement of the baby boomers. you knew that was going to happen. the other half is more mysterious. it could be the result of people being discouraged and might be irreversible. host: does this job report change the calculations in terms of when this began to raise interest rates in back away from the easy money policies? >> it fell below 6% for the first time in seven years. the federal reserve still thinks is one ofoyment rate the best overall measures of the strength of the labor market. the fact that it is below 6% --, it is close to a level
the average over the last 50 years is 6%. we are now below average. that means they are going to get less and less comfortable with their current strategy of having the interest rate near zero. that is one of the reasons why rates areaser slow -- so low. thank you so much for your insight. i am happy to do it. we are turning now to your phone calls. emily, good morning. caller: good morning. i don't agree with what the president is saying. he said that when george bush left office the unemployment was 10%. that is not true. it was close to 6%. the highest was 7%.
because i don't trust what he is companies are buying smaller companies and throwing everyone out. christmas byld at the big company oracle that he was going to be let go. eventually, he will be let go. i don't have any feeling that the democrats with nafta under clinton, all of those jobs went overseas. i am concerned about so many other things. we have no trust. we are seeing such a chaotic nation. arele who had good jobs taking very low-paying jobs just to get a job. obama never rolled up his sleeves and started to do something for us.
, itbecause of fracking looks good in the employment pictures. exceptas done nothing this large amount of money. we thought it was to build roads. it never turned out that way. host: our next caller is susan from washington on the and dependent line. good morning. caller: the distortion in these figures don't jive. during reagan's era, it was well above 13%. he started to include military. figured it last year, it was well above 37%. the economy has gotten more strained. it is more in the 40%. everything is supposed to look good. bot the federal reserve has
these bonds which have no value, we have the greatest depression. exploitingry is not their labor forces? everything we do is outsourced. before, she was talking about a major company downsizing, what we have done to ,oreign countries in the past we are doing it to our own kind. these people think the jobs are coming back? tot is why there is so much selling fracking. if we start fracking, there is not going to be any kind of water that will be for human consumption. i want to bring up her point. the unemployment rate broken down by gender and in part by race. you can see the variations there. there are great disparities
between man, women, and teenagers. you can also see the unemployed at rate for unemployment rate and blacks. there is not an equal picture. the new york times reports that implications. our next caller is from maryland. go ahead. josh did a good job and covered a lot of ground. there are a couple of things. is if there seems to be a new norm.
they seem to be structural. they are not permanent, but they will be continuing. that is the big question. what is discouraging is most of the jobs created since the collapse, they were low air paying jobs. let me quote one thing that is shocking. i may have seen this on your program. statisticsof labor that the only onerowing jobs required a college education. think about that. it is shocking to me. the other thing that hasn't been
mentioned is with falling wages, where is the demand? the companies in an expanding. plants,oyees and new the demand is not there. the congress is one of the problems. the congress is charged with doing these things. the presidents have limited power. i think a lot of good stuff has been brought up in the real congressis whether the takes this seriously and does something about it and stops does gridlock that they now have. host: we will turn now to pennsylvania. michael is on the independent line. caller: this is a boldface lie. people left the unemployment
market. billioneen putting $88 a month end of the stock market. this is a fake start market did they are cooking the books. host: all right. new orleans on the democratic line. my hometown. high, jerry. do not a lot of people recognize that we've got modern technology. modern technology not a lot of people out of work. between that and capitalism, we've got a big problem. you for your comments. next up is jim from chicago. he is on the independent line. president continues to lie about the jobs market. the retail market is between 20
and 22% unemployment. part-time jobs are about 37%. they created 200,000 jobs this month or last month. 300,000 people lost their jobs. people hear this, they will be fooled. the unemployment is higher than what it is. the economy is getting worse. year or two, we will have a major depression in america because everything is fake. the fed is continuing to print money. jim from chicago. you can join the conversation as well by calling us. don't forget, you can tweet us.
you can e-mail us. president obama spoke yesterday in indiana about the economy. he was in a manufacturing plant. he talked about the balance between progress and how much further we still have to go. >> because of the efforts we have made, manufacturing has added about 700,000 new jobs. it is growing twice as fast as the rest of the economy. new factories are open their doors -- opening their doors. half of the executives have said they are looking to bring jobs back from china. our businesses are selling more goods overseas than any other time in our history. is important is not because of some abstract statistic. manufacturing jobs have good pay and good benefits. indianapolis on
the democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. lady talking a few minutes ago, job rates are down. if you are from the streets, i'm from the east side of indianapolis. i am just a white kid from the east side. i grew up doing whatever i had to do to get money. ,he people i see and care about we are all starving for jobs. we are in the streets, not getting money the way we want. host: the president spoke in your state yesterday. ?he uc any job openings there are quite a few factories in the midwest. it is just if you're willing to travel. a lot of people can afford to travel because the cost of gas. if you take -- i am down's math
-- down south. a gallon of milk is almost $3.60. that is crazy. are starving for jobs. the jobs you can get, i can't see myself working at mcdonald's or little caesars for minimum wage. my rent is almost $800 a month. host: we will have to leave it there. next up is barney from florida. he is calling on the independent line. you are on the air. caller: i'm in florida. we have a steel business. it is booming down here. i do know what these people are talking about that they can't find no jobs. guys in theut 20
last three months. we can't even keep up. host: have you senior wages improve? caller: i am on salary. my wages went up the last two years. host: ok. caller: we need to get rid of that congress. host: that is barney in florida. here is a breakdown of job creation by industry sector. you can see that the business services led the pack. this is followed by retail. there were also strong gains and health care and hospitality. cynthia is on the democratic line from new york. go ahead. caller: i want to make a comment
that i have been unemployed for four months. was cut in half. i could no longer afford the one-hour commute. i have three degrees. i am in the age group of 54 to 62. i am frustrated. i have never been out this long. jobs out there. i am going to start taking temp jobs because my unemployment is going to run out. it is totally frustrating. you applyou feel when for jobs that you are suffering from age discrimination? caller: i believe so. when they look at my resume there are three things going on. i am over qualified. i may take the person's job i'm interviewing with.
they are probably wondering what his law -- wrong with me because i've been out of work for four months. this is very frustrating for .omen i worked in nonprofits for most of my career. i have gone online. i have put my resume out everywhere. i am going to have to accept a for far less than i was making because i have to meet my bills. i am trying to put my sons are college. i can't help him. my husband just has a seasonal job. it is very frustrating. i blame congress. i blame the attitude that people on unemployment are lazy. my worksheetsee that i have to supply to unemployment, you would know that i am not lazy. host: that is cynthia from new
york. john boehner had this to say on twitter about the plight of those that are long-term unemployed. nancy pelosi also responded with a tweet. she is talking about the importance of democratic priorities in improving the job market. our next caller is in maryland on the democratic line. how is the economy looking to you in maryland. caller: thank you for taking my call this morning. . don't know why
80% of america survives. host: thank you. next up is a michael from new york calling on the independent line. caller: hello? thank you for taking my call. i appreciate it. i've have been practicing for 20 years. i am a solo practitioner. people on a monthly or yearly basis. people are hurting. people are taking part-time jobs. the drop prior to the president
numbers youe those have to be naive. a lot of people are part-time employed. host: which way you will you be voting? friend just look in your and you see what is really going on. york.michael from new i up is stephen from florida on the democratic line. caller: hello. host: you are on the air. caller: listening to that lady call in from new york and the intleman right after, empathize with what they are saying. unemployment is 5.9 and there are lots of jobs. most of us have two or three of
them just to stay in our house. in to thees are tied jobless rate. when the wages go down, know there are other people out there yet for lower wages. your jobs aren't safe. 50's,ou get into your there is a good chance the you are going to be replaced by a younger person. corporations will put out these inefficiencies. they will have mass layoffs. know, youhing you were working in a job that
doesn't pay as much as is the one you had. it is happening everywhere. , employerss go down know they can get people cheaper. nobody's job is really safe. that is why people don't buy anything. it's a bad trend. that 5.9% number is laughable. i voted for president obama. i don't believe it is his fault. i think the corporations just have too much power. they are too big. they have two money lobbyists in congress. the: we are going to keep focus on the economy for this segment. i do want to bring in a few headlines that we will see about the ebola outbreak. reportshington post" that it tests the readiness of u.s. hospitals.
we are going to spend an entire hour on this topic. we want to give you some updates on the status of the ebola outbreak. we will return to the phones. this is kyle from indiana on the republican line. go ahead. caller: hello. i think so p i live in southern indiana. the governor before mike pence, we have a good economy. creation.b it is booming in this area. had three or have four industrial plants open up in the last year. believe that republicans should be the ones credited with this? do you think democrats deserve the credit? caller: the credit goes to
whatever governor or state you live in. congress does not bring in jobs and neither does the president. the governors do. governor, that is where the credit should go. our governors have done a great job in the state of indiana. you have to sell your state here in. host: next up is carl from florida. he is on the democrat line. are you there? what is your comment? caller: i'd is wanted to comment. i think the republicans whine about everything. they complained that the economy is bad. they are not doing anything to help fix the problem.
it's one thing to create a problem and then to absolute nothing to try to help fix it. that's who they are. that is who they will always be. vote democrat. host: we also want to let you know that we will be continuing our c-span cities tour this weekend. tvk tv and american history travel to boulder, colorado. this will be at noon it. you can find author david baron talking about a book about the return of the large metal and population. the. that i write about in my book is from the late 80's to the early 90's. that was a special time in older. noil that time, there really -- were no lines. they historically were here.
there was a campaign to exterminate them. they were largely a driven out of this area. the lions came back to a very eco-conscious community. at first, people were thrilled to see these large, beautiful cats come on to our open space. a 100 years ago, it would've been shot. the ranchers had no qualms about killing lions. everybody was thrilled to have them. unfortunately, that caused some problems. the lions were not being hassled. they found that boulder was a great place to live. there were lots of food. there were dear. deer.
the lines change their behavior. they learned that people were not going to hassled them. they knew what was happening today. they were welcomed in. that caused some conflicts. they were in some cases quite scary. one was fatal. be sure to stay tuned to book tv and american history tv. you can watch videos on the history of the city. .ou can go to www.c-span.org a few more headlines for you this morning. times-dispatch" has a story about isis. has aall street journal" story.
we will turn now to our phone calls. we are taking your thoughts on the economy. is it getting better? is joseph iner north carolina on the republican line. go ahead. you are in the air. caller: the economy gets worse every month. we have done this to ourselves. blame want to brohm -- obama or bush. the consumer destroyed it. we have destroyed everything. the foot.rselves in when you buy a toyota assembled in america, the parts were made by people in japan. security.hem no salsa -- social security. everything but shoot ourselves the footprint now we are exporting food. that is why food is going up so much. it's not energy costs.
y are outbidding us for the same loaf of bread and the same week. it is amazing to me. we grow more food than ever before. from next up is ulysses oakland, california. caller: good morning. it is amazing to listen to these people complain about lack of jobs and these different things. i think the economy is great. it is about defining yourself why your own terms. i have three degrees. i have been laid off. i have never had a problem getting a job. america is a very mobile society. to bga graphically
restricted and say where they are comfortable. they stay in places where the jobs are gone. to move toyou had find employment? last 15 years, i have gone from graduate school for a second masters degree to upstate new york to new jersey to louisiana to illinois to london and now i'm in the bay area. this is about taking your skills or they are necessary. i am able to move. that is what it is about. people are so geographically restricted. ttsy need to get off their bu and move where the jobs are. harry reid from nevada had this to say about the jobs numbers.
i want to say that initially i was not a fan of mr. obama. he was part of the problem. i see that he is cool under fire. i see his efforts to help those of us who are less privileged. i'm a veteran. i served in the vietnam war. i make less than minimum wage. i am disabled. an individual would look at the has in allnd how he phases of the economy shown a positive note. he is not believe getting enough credit for the improvements that he is responsible for? caller: i do. people need to look at the facts. look at the numbers. how do you fight a war without raising taxes?
that is what the bush administration did. they fought a war without raising taxes. it is going to kill whatever economic advances you have made. it is going to kill it. you can't pay for war without raising taxes. go ahead. caller: thank you for allowing me to give my comments this morning. for the color from california with the masters degrees and he is moved about, most people don't like to move about. what we need is a good economy overall. we need to go back to basics again. the two established jobs for everyone. agreement took away a
lot of jobs in the 90's. we need to look at the fundamentals of our job structure. stop looking at war. we must look at infrastructure and build america again. we are the great empire. we must go back to our rituals. america has been truly blessed. we want to try to keep it that way. host: duke from south carolina. our last caller will be can us from georgia. he is on the democratic line. go ahead. my name is kenneth. i am from gainesville, georgia. i feel we have bigger issues like the ebola outbreak. we have people shooting each other. we have way bigger issues.
things to worry about. important, we need to pull together and come together and solve these issues. the government needs to be more understanding of their own people. of home first. make sure jobs are here. people don't have to resort to robbery or things might harm other people. you should stay tuned for our next segment. we will be talking about the ebola outbreak. it would talking with an ebola expert. later, we will take a look at the key governors'races.
you can tune into our campaign website. races asover the top we work our way through 100 debates for control of congress. you can check out on thursday night, we will be looking at the candidates for colorado governor. we have john hickenlooper against. the challenge was the system was set up. there were only resources to have the license is out in five locations. that created long lines at a level of frustration. i think it is important to record highs that if you have people that are driving without licenses and they don't have any way of driving legally on the
roads, they are not going to stay around after an accident. they are not going to testify if they see an accident. to maintain ability a public safety on your roads. i wasn't a fan of the law. i would fix the reason they considered it in the first place. this is where governors ought to lead. we have had a problem. we have not addressed this for a long while. and done things around the margins to deal with the fact that washington hasn't had the will to do it. a coalitionill be of governors that solves this problem. founder ofn, the
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"washington journal" continues. host: we are joined now by dr. gavin mcgregor-skinner. he is an expert. to note some of your other history. i think it is interesting. he recently returned from nigeria or you were treating patients on the ground with ebola. you worked in preventive controlling. prevented in helping disease after the tsunami. you have an extensive background in dealing with these outbreaks. on theit your thoughts latest headlines. the dallas officials have narrowed down to 10 the number of people who might be infected with ebola or have been exposed to the spread of the disease.
the death toll worldwide is over 3300. are we handling this in the right way? guest: that is a good question. wonderful health care staff. this does not just include doctors and nurses. we have them in place. n approach. is a we put the cdc in the center. we have all the health care systems whether it be the hospitals or urgent care or travel clinics in this hub and spoke. we have not created a functioning network. that is what we need to create. we need to be able to share experiences. we have emory hospital in the -- atlanta. they are our champions. they should be telling us about the challenges they faced.
we know it is not easy treating ebola. it is stressful and intense. it requires good management and good implementation. every day you are faced with new challenges. aren't teaching. we are not sharing our experiences. host: there is a lack of communication? guest: there isn't a need for much better communication. there is a need for teamwork. we are not working as a team. at penn state i teach public health preparedness. these are graduate students that i teach. they are in their 40's and 50's. you don't work is individuals. we have a wonderful democracy individualomote thought and creativity and innovation. when it comes down to
emergencies, you have to get all the team together. we don't have the whole team together. tot: part of the issue seems be education. i know there is some confusion about exactly how ebola is spread. can you break it down for us? how does a travel from one person to the other? guest: it's important. we have heard the cdc director, we have heard others. we have heard experts that say it is really hard to get this disease. it is true. having dealt personally with ebola patients, i am scared. the people on my team are scared and we give each other confidence. protection,e proper with the virus is in oddly fluids. we need to figure out what that really means.
i have two children asking what a bodily fluid is. we know there is lots of fire us in blood. we are the people who have ebola vomit, they are sick. there is virus in the vomit. they have to go to the toilet. there is vomit. feces, there is virus. as it gets worse and worse, there is more virus and we start to see it in the sweat. we have not talked about semen. there is virus in the semen. there is fire us in a breast milk. we haven't talked about that. when people are really sick and we are treating them, we have a in all of these fluids. you have to touch those fluids. it does not float in the everett
then it has to get into your body. it does not go through the skin. you have to put your hands in your mouth or your nose or your eyes. we do fun things with my family. how many times do you touch her face in a day? it's a lot. people are out there in universities looking at people. as we work with nurses and physicians, don't touch her face. when i do training and a hospital and i teach them precautions that are needed, i tell them don't raise your hands above your shoulders. that is really hard to do. how much would it take to get infected? guest: when you've got ebola and we look at the blood your body
and we take a blood sample, there are billions of viruses in there. there is billions of virus articles on the ground. in bed, there are billions of virus. we don't need very much at all. when you're working with the virus, you have to get it 100% correct every time. does it stayg active once it's outside the body? caller: it depends on the surface that it is on. guest: i want to emphasize right now. it is not days. this virus dies. it is killed on dry surfaces. it might get onto a surface and it may last 30 minutes. it may get last one to ours. we believe that from the evidence that we have and the research and the samples we have taken in hospitals, if it is outside the body, the virus is
dead. it is not contagious. it can be transmitted. it is more like ours and not days. host: we would hear your thoughts. we want to field your questions. you can call us on the phone. you can find us on social media. earlier this week, the director of the national institute of health was here on "washington." she talked about developing a vaccine. >> the vaccines are moving forward. this is an effort that we started 13 years ago. we anticipated a need for a vaccine.
sincehas been around 1976. this is the fifth generation ebola vaccine. it looks very good in the animal model. it seems to be completely protective. you don't know until you try this out with human patients. we did start just three weeks ago. 20 individuals have been injected with it. they are volunteers. there -- all is going well. it will take a couple of months to see if these individuals mount an immune response would pre-protective against acquiring disease. data, we willhat move quickly to get this into a phase two trial. we will put it in individuals who are at risk. this is very complicated.
stress a great deal of as you could imagine. where determined to figure out a way to do that. what is the timeline? november. , we would tryod to set up a more extensive trial in west africa that would determine if the vaccine is effective or not. host: we are talking about ebola. is your take on how close we are to an actual cure and prevention? guest: i am not directly involved in that.
this is a billion dollar industry. you have to take this from a business perspective. as well asompanies government, are the in the business to make money or save lives at the moment? that is really important. this is a fifth generation vaccine. i have been involved in vaccine trials. looked those vaccines promising and others failed. we are at the animal testing stage. we've not started the trials that we need to do. we important thing is practice evidence-based medicine. we don't make a guess is. we don't risk people's lives with the unknown. until we have the empirical evidence that our experts have analyzed, and we have to be very
careful in what we are saying at another ebola outbreak for years. host: we will turn to your phone calls. paul is on the republican line. go ahead. i have been doing some statistics myself. i think we're way underestimating the danger to the public. you were to take number one and idea oft, you have some how quickly one becomes millions. it could spread like wildfire. i think that is a basic truth. guest: that is a very good question.
daughter in middle school and we were talking about this last night. we do know. we do have the resources and the toolbox. what we need to do is improve the communications and the awareness. we are very careful in this country. identify where the hospitals are that are ready. where are the health clinics. who do they contact? we have two things to focus on. one is early detection and the other is the contact tracing. , we know the resources from previous experiences that we are going to beat this disease. host: next up is robin on the democratic line. you are on the air.
about: i am very worried what is going on here with this ebola. can you turn down your tv? caller: i am worried about what happened already with the case that happened in texas. i don't think we are ready for this. hospitals dropped the ball. what if this happens in other hospitals and they are lying coming here from liberia? that is a really good question. i share concerns. i think we have to be very careful in the system and all the different processes that we have. differences.u the i teach emergency management. we teach a whole community approach. disaster, we need
everyone to be involved. we need them to be equal shareholders. what is important is we need to look at the tools in the toolboxes and resources we have. how can we improve communication? i don't expect every nurse or an a gradeo be student when it comes to geography. they don't need to know where liberia is. -- wee need to put in heard from the officials in dallas. it was a failure in the medical records system. in any of those west african countries, make the screen flash red. what happens to old fashioned to munication between doctors and nurses?
she is a nurse in the emergency department. she has a thousand things going on. she is stressed every day. we have been there. let's facilitate the system. the signs thatre if you have recently traveled, call this number or don't come into the hospital and we will come to you. there has been talk about where we catch potential infections or people who may be contagious. in the financial times, there was a story. republicans are calling for actions. are joininge who this push our bobby jindal of louisiana calling down shutting down flights. there is rob portman of ohio who says that a black -- ban on considered.ld be
you have john cornyn from texas and requestedrday information on the screening process for incoming passengers. what are we doing in terms of airport screening? is it enough? guest: i just recently came back from nigeria. i went through two airports in nigeria and there were nurses at the airport. they took my temperature and made me thought of form. they asked me questions. i was interviewed twice. plane, theref the were nurses. this was before we got into the airport.
everyone online at. they took our temperature. we get interviewed and filled up forms. i got to washington dc there was nothing at the airport. we have the resources. we have the skills and the people in the training. there was no one there taking my temperature. no one asked me questions. i did not filiform. there was no database. there was no history of meat traveling from nigeria. i don't blame them. i blame the system at the moment. if you get sick, ring this number. host: is that an argument for a full ban? i think we need a better screening process. we need some follow-up. i am seeing in are taking this initiative. i work a lot with universities.
i want to talk about the flights. a plane has two levels. you have the passengers and the cargo. working lot of friends in west africa and risking their lives. they are relying on medicines and equipment. there is a security issue. if you ban the planes, they will suffer. we don't isolate countries. we isolate the virus. that is what we need to be focusing on. host: next up is virginia. caller: i think that the earlier collars who are concerned about the spread to the netted states are fairly correctly pointing to a real problem for the cdc.
in the last two or three weeks, they have commented in medical journals that this outbreak could go over one million people. it's hard to believe that this will not spread to other countries. for manyver there years. the airports are not as secure. that may be the case in nigeria. if these people could show up in other places and come into the added states, you accurately a problem that we have here as people come into our airports. that problem should be addressed immediately. the cdc has a problem. if this happens again, the
public will become hysterical. thank you so much. guest: i think you are making a really good point. i used to work at the cdc. i have a lot of friends. out to investigate outbreaks of any disease. what i am concerned about and i talk to people, i teach of health. this. it takes a team. we have the best managers in the world. we go around the world and teach disaster management. we do this with the curricula that we have. it is a great system for managing any disaster. putting the cdc in the center. it is bringing all the assets that can help. that includes homeland security.
it is going to include the department of transport. we need good managers. the people who can do good coordination. let the cdc to what they do. don't put the added pressure on. we need managers for these events. host: a few comments from twitter. does that sound accurate to you? guest: i will do the bodily fluids first. bodily fluids on the ground, if they are wet the virus is still alive. what feels the virus is dry conditions.
we'll rely on that. we have to decontaminate. its --this infest disinfectants or bleach. we went down to the supermarket. we but bleach for the supermarket. this is a much lower concentration. in other skills the virus would have percent. things tot cause corrode. it is not dangerous. we are not talking about occupational health. any bodily fluids that are spilled it need to be cleaned up. that is what you have to do. if we talk about screening at airports, there are a number of critical mission functions to protect and defend ebola from spreading.
when i traveled from nigeria, it was a 30 hour trip. when i left nigeria, i was fine. anything could've happened. know what i was going to do. my team is going to talk to each other. host: this brings up another important point. ebola is only contagious when people are showing symptoms. is correct. we need to create awareness. we to create education. if you came back from a country in west africa, i would like to -- we are sitting there talking about the poison
emergency number. if you google poison and urgency number. ebola emergency number and what comes up? nothing. google?t even on guest: it doesn't exist. we are giving you something to say. andou get sick, stay home call this number. we will come to you. host: the white house held a briefing yesterday. security advisor had this to say about the possibility of travel bans. >> i know that has been something that has been raised. i take note of the comments. we believe those steps in p the response. they impede and slow down the
ability of the united states and other international partners to actually get expertise and capabilities into the affected areas. the most important and effective thing we can do is to control the epidemic at its source. we want to be able to get the assistance and expertise. we are getting the providers into the affective region. host: we will turn back to our phone lines. we are going to hear from richard in florida on the republican line. caller: good morning. is people that are in the affected areas in africa, i would do the same.
people will become desperate. want to make it to the u.s. because of all the great medical fever, howbefore the long is the virus in the body before people notice they have a fever? insects like flies, can it be spread through flies? should act on the side of caution. we should get a handle on it. do airport or the u.n., air-conditioning vents, like an airplane's?
host: we got your question. guest: you raise two important points. let's talk about west africa. of socialing a lot mobilization. we are seeing a lot of the community resistance. we are seeing a lot of community involvement. they know the community has to work together in order to beat ebola. it is not just the doctors and nurses. it is everyone. when i was in nigeria, i spent a lot of time with the church leaders. had we bring in a faith and prayer as well is ensure that no aid if you are going to pray and be close to an ebola patient wear gloves and disinfect you with bleach. we are not going to stop your
faith but we will bring evidence this. medicine into you mentioned the spread and transmission again and we know -- this has been mentioned and e director of c.d.c. tony fauci and many other xperts -- unless you have clinical symptoms and that fever.on set of body to that it is in your but it can't get out. when you develop the clinical ymptoms we know it gets into your saliva and the bodily fluids. diarrhea. he patient came in with fever, body aches and didn't feel really well. a number of diseases. in africa it looks like malaria. we have to say you don't have ebola. we have to rule out that you the same it and take approach in the u.s. we are getting close to flu
eason now and a lot of people will have fever and body aches and see you don't have ebola because you don't have the history to west africa or lose direct contact with an ebola patient. is james on the democratic line. i have two questions in aspect of the hysteria that is involved with the information in groups. i have friend republicans, and democrat and what i'm seeing is there's been hysteria and misinformation. deal with ppose to misinformation? h.i.v. also been in the and for 20-some-odd world developed an information system
that communicates to over five minority the community and we are constantly sending information. act, do you tech think now that we have the high will helpn place that been trying e have to do in the united states to healthcare system actually work with medical record. that will think affect an ebola breakout? thank you, james. communication, education, awareness is the key. in it country set up virtually lassroom and online? no. we have a lot of organizations q&as and we have gain the c.d.c. and other government agencies distributing protocols guidance and procedures. that means somebody in the
healthcare system and hospital to go on the internet, download the document, read it, understand it and translate and teach and tell that information to other save within the hospital. 'm -- when we did this in 2004 e had a corona various calls sars. we used a lot of videos. at penn state i can give them a document and they can read the guidance document and get them to watch a video and they do better watch test after they video. we can make videos on best guidance and myths and rumors. we have resources whether it is ebola classroom or high on ctious disease classroom youtube. when we talk about medical be rds we know we have to
cognizant of privacy of the patient. recordsknow the medical can work in our favor. i carry a cell phone. work on a cell hone i have a hipaa compliant tele medici telemedicine platform on the ell phone that i can talk to hospitals in privacy, it is an crypted and no one can hack it can have confidential conversations on the spoken 24 ours a day seven days a week and talk about patient care. in the electronic medical record improve communication between nurses and physicians. reprogram a we can the f information if patient says i have just come back from a country in west screen. flash it on the this is a warning to you because again people will overlook there. because you see liberia, guinea register when you are stressed in a hospital
situation. the end all are on line. sheila, you are on the air. are you there? e will move to carol from florence, south carolina, on the republican line. first i would like to saying e doctor for something about faith and prayer in a positive way. i have been erned, in iran for 51 years. colossal failures and obama's nce of employees and judgment and lies trust anything. i certainly do not trust his c. c.d.c. at what happened with mr. duncan. was left for days their s bodily fluids in department.
they only decontaminated it yesterday. the judge who accompanied the the home didn't have hazmat stuff on which he these peopleecause were exposed to vomit and other bodily fluids. secondly, being a nurse, i'm a irector of nurses for many years. i know what goes on with hand infection control, people not using gloves with not using gloves when drawing blood, starting euft v.'s. this is dangerous and you won't educate people in a month on how to do that. the other thing, obama says we have a very low chance of the ebola in the united states of america. one week we his have four regions of the country affected. i say stop the flights.
people are saying that in have to isolate the virus these countries. let's be realistic. ou don't have the resources to do that. as far as getting things in that care, for ry for education, for the special you have the military get special flights in or ships like with tsunami in japan. there are ways to do this ithout going through the airport. ut the doctor who came through i think it was reagan national not a hazmat suit on was even questioned in the united america coming from africa as to why he was dressed like that. they did no screening. host: that is carol from south
carolina. uest: a number of important points. again, a lot of people travel to around the world to come the u.s. healthcare system to get the best treatment they can. hospitalsm working in we had people coming from many countries including people from mothers ca, pregnant come to this country to have their abies because babies are going to survive if they are born here. blame the limited esources we have in west african countries. they come here all the time so we have to put in the systems in do have to ensure eople traveling back here are screened, are under observation and know where to report. the team about approach and what happened in dallas and how things were delayed and slowed. need to put together everyone in -- disasters happen locally. team that is he
equired, including emergency managers and all stakeholders and critical mission elements of that will be required, hazmat, disposal. tion, that has to come together. and alked about nurses gloves. when we work in a hospital we wear lots of gloves and we take quickly and put the new ones off quickly. when you come out from an ebola to believe that you have been exposed and you are covered in virus and we have a different way. what we teach in hospitals is you work in a buddy system. is like noah's arc. you work in pairs. i watch you asnd you talk all your stuff off and if you make a mistake i will we disinfect and did he contaminate toes areas the gloves to take off in a special way and that requires extra training. family, theabout the family of the patient in dallas.
criminals.t you can't take a highly nfectious disease and people are not sick, they just happened to have very close contact with they love dearly who could die with the ebola virus and they are not criminals. don't stigmatize the patient and family. stigmatize the community where the family lives. that is really important. e need to have counseling services. this is like hiv/aids years ago hepatitis or other diseases where we provide reliable evidence based counseling and they are a team player and they need to be on team and i don't see them there at the moment. host: where does the buck stop? who should bear the responsibility and what institution should bear the esponsibility for the fact the united states seems to have been unprepared for this outbreak? there have been errors and mistakes made and lessons
earned and we are using the lessons learned to ensure it doesn't happen. hat i'm trying to say is we haven't used all of our resources or tools in the tool box. made it easy for ourselves. you still have to go on to a website and download the read it.and we are not even sharing the lessons learned from the that have been 100% successfully treating the parents. we are not talking about the whole system within the hospital provide who have to food to the ebola patient and and the cups, plates utensils. how about those that clean up the vomit and diarrhea and sweat off the floor. it is often not the nurses or doctors or specialists. it is auctixiliary stuff. they are part of the team. take the community approach in the hospital and in our neighborhoods and communities. couple of questions we
received over e-mail. two are related. is regular hand soap effective n preventing the infection of the virus and how long should you wash hands? nd what is the original source of the virus? where did it come from? washing your land with soap. talking infectious disease. ny communicable disease that can go from person to person washing your hand is so with soap. we need to teach this in our people wash with soap. we had 116 nigeria, people when we arrived and listened to their concerns and problems. we said this is what needs to be done. insurance company said we can pay for the public service announcements. would you like us to say.
every 10 minutes on the radio to television tell people wash their hands with soap. the insurance company said we can do that. thought an ve insurance company would have a role in fighting ebola. how long you can sing the happy birthday. 20 or 30 seconds. everybody does it three to five seconds. that is not long enough. 20 seconds. that is not a long time out of your day. washing with t soap and water. host: the original source of the virus? guest: we are at the 26th outbreak of ebola. this so unique, so special, so important? is in a location where we haven't had ebola before. uganda and it in congo but never west africa. significant. there are five strains of ebola.
the train we have now is zaire strain and that is the worst one. from wild animals. we believe it lives in bats and -- and we have experiments and tests an samples taken from animals. it is the animal and human health interaction. one health where humans interact with animals and we look at the diseases and we animals and humans. it is transmitted through nimals and probably started in december 2013 in guinea. marv on the document line from wisconsin. dr. skinner, thank you for coming on the program. veterinarian that has been practicing many years. viruses like me
-- phalolight us it encephalitis. i have a specific question. stretch of the imagination to determine how the hospitalized is in texas now could have picked up the virus with transporting sick woman but i'm thated about the cameraman only worked for nbc for two days the area for in two years who was informed on out brebreak and he must knew as much or more about it than we do as far contracting ial of t, how out of the blue he picked it up. when the medical people from querying about that -- and they don't know and they just say he was not working for for us to make an
educated thing of how he got it. bothers me. >> that is true and i agree with you. get a good hard to history from any patient at any time for any disease. we don't really know what his direct contact -- i'm you have to have the direct contact either with the patient or virus. we don't know where that happened. a cameraman. he is carrying all the equipment sweating.hot, he wants to put it down numerous times to take a break. may have rested. he may have done sfrplgt he had to have done something where he the virus, put his hand in his mouth or in his eyes or nose and transmitted to the -- mucus membranes membranes. i don't know if he had open probably the t is only reasonable way. where he picked it up i don't know. hat did he do when he was not working?
i don't know. several mentioned times you came from nigeria and treated patients. been able to contain the out brebreak whereas other sierra like liberia, leone are having a more difficult time. what s unique about nigeria did and what can other countries including the u.s. learn? a plan on ria had paper. the nigerian government invited and paid for us to come work with their plan and that plan, make it work. what was unique about the a whole plan, it was community approach about social mobilization. it was saying don't talk about ebola. things about talk about the good things that in an do to protect people neighborhood, communities, from ebola. on.t is what they focused then they brought everyone in. i mean everyone. navy, air ders, army, force, airport authority, port
authority. i'm in a room saying where do you work? with the funeral services. hey invited you because the ebola patient died goes to the morgue and has to be buried you do to teach us what to because they are highly infectious. they are in the room. talking to we are so many different people and on evidence ryone based guidelines. they didn't change the guidelines. once we taught something we kept it standardized and reinforced it it. the hospital healthcare staff skills and we had to strengthen them and they picked people in the community decision makers and tell what to do and people listened to them. celebrities.d how about a soccer player or pop singer tell the story and people to them. that is important. t. augustine, nt
florida. line.d on the independent caller: good morning and thanks for my call. out to quick shout judge clay jenkins and the mayor who have taught us so much more n is powerful a tool than fear. wanted to say that. econdly, your knowledgeable guest can comment on this. 30,000 ead online that united people die in the states per year from just influenza. guest: examination is so important. so important. hospital.us on the all the staff involved in treating ebola parents, they are to admit d they want it they are scared and i know
having been there i was scared. i'm being honest. was and we need to be able to provide that support.ment and honestly, the hospital staff in emory, nebraska, they need an xternal conscience and we need a service to talk to their families and friends that everything will be ok because we doing evidence based medicine. highly infectious diseases. important for the u.s. healthcare system. yes, we are challenged now by virus.ola again i said don't just talk about the ebola virus. highly ut those infectious diseases. we are coming into flu season. look how we triage. at urgent riage healthcare centers, hospitals and clinics. as we come into the flu season ith people coming with fever, ody aches, fatigue like ebola,
wear good face protection. this cost me about a dollar. you wear this and talk to and you can see me and see my facial expressions. are you saying all hospital staff should be wearing in contact? guest: we need to look how we triage. go back to the bird flu influenza.demic e saw some hospitals set up tents in their car park and if you were coming to the hospital ob-gyn ward to the or the emergency department. come into the tent where the are wearing gloves and face shields or masks for look at n and we will your symptoms there. host: you brought another mask. they guard against different things? guest: yes, they do. protecting from the puffs and sneezes and don't put
hands above your shoulder in your mouth and eyes. this will protect you. called an n-95 mask. it is specialized. work with this in the hospital and i wear it i have tested. there are many of these vailable and i get tested to find out which one fits me. protects because it all the viruses and bacteria from going through it. it i sweat. it is hard to breathe. i cannot wear it for a long time. to take it off at some stage. nurses andaching our staff to treat and do great patient care necessarily have to of these. have we trained for that? are you used to wearing it? uncomfortable. ou want to take it off and say i've got some fresh air.
host: and this is for medical staff or health professionals might be treating folks who have diseases, not necessarily day people who might be concerned about catching it through some other means? guest: yes. and the u.s. government has guidance on how you should wear off.d take it and anyone else that will come in direct contact with an ebola something ds to have like this on. host: i want to get a few more calls because we right hand out of time. is bill from north myrtle beach, south carolina, on the republican line. morning, everyone. good morning to dr. skinner. first of all i want to say thank ou for your service to human i ity. what an incredible, courageous job you are doing over there. as an american i want to say thank you for bringing such a perspective to this crisis and i will call it a crisis. have observed this
has been criticized by both sides. pil might address -- host: bill, you are cutting out bit.ttle there.: i lost you i want to say thank you to dr. skinner for his service here if he could comment this the fact that how crisis has been politicized. i wonder if you would speak to hazards of that and how it would affect addressing this program going forward. to : on that note i want bring up that the hill newspaper house panel the will call an ebola hearing. federal health officials will about the u.s. response. t is before the house energy and commerce committee on
october 16 fp. t will be the federal response to ebola. the fourth time lawmakers meet to discuss the virus. good point, s a bill. ealing with highly infectious diseases we need our politicians to understand that we need resources. we need them to put this in a we can beat it but we are beating it with the this and ing this, this and mobile icing the community -- mobilizing and we be honest. we have heard of statements that every hospital in the u.s. is prepared. haven't seen any process that would you e and said like to meet patients? you have to make that decision. patient get an ebola can you put them in an isolation room and contact us and we will somebody will pick up the patient and take them ton an hospital. we have not done florida we have
not said where people should go go. can if you had recently come back rom west africa and developed fever and fatigue we don't want you to hospital in a bus or a into an emergency department and sit next to the little child with a broken arm or pregnant mother. we would like you to stay in your house, call us and we will ome to you and make sure we wear the appropriate protective equipment and get you to the hospital that has the isolation and trained staff to take the patient. a very low number of patients at the moment and we can do this. host: next is anne from greensboro, north carolina, on the democratic line. caller: yes. surprised to hear the director of nursing from south they did o say that not wear gloves or wash their appropriately, whether it s ebola or any type, when are working with a hospital was
surprised at that. about the r intent president. why is she bringing the president into this? of texas is closer to this situation than the and close to local responsible.one i think just by one hospital here making a mistake of sending the patient back home originally do not mean all the going to do that. i think that is creating the something saying like that. i think most hospitals would different low a procedure especially now that on e is so much emphasis that. so i don't think blaming because hospital that one it will happen at all hospitals our last call certify from upper marlboro, maryland, on the independent line. caller: good morning,
dr. skinner. thank you for the valuable you are providing. there is a lot of discussion bout the movement of ebola people, the virus with special virus inwith the ebola the united states. i wonder if you could provide instances there are where diseases of the united states have moved to that part. guest: first it is great that nursing dent for the association told the truth and we have a challenge in the healthcare system to say when not working and we have failures to tell the truth. we have -- that they have a situation where we can fix by training. because i get nt lots of phone calls from they told us ng that we are ready but we are not ready but we don't want to tell but we need t that health. hat you said about diseases going from the u.s. to other areas we saw -- i will talk
when we had merica the pandemic influenza it came globally.co and spread we know all the transportation we have with the planes and everything else it is possible but because of our animal and ystem in human health we controlled many f the highly infectious diseases, nearly all of them very well. move out en the virus of areas of africa and other parts now in the caribbean and the u.s. we saw it with west nile fever the country.ross we are very aware we are under threat all the time and i have any colleagues an trends working on -- and trends working n these -- and friends to protect all citizens of the u.s. , dr. gavin macgregor-skinner thank you for your insight. frplgts it is a pleasure. up we will talk with
james hohmann a reporter for group -- bout the gubernatorial races then highway regulations.rucking but first on news makers this 10:00hich will air sunday to 6:00 p.m. the week's guest right hamoran.ore here is the senator talking raising challenges to money for republican candidate races this year. great candidates. we have recruited and encouraged who would be ple great senators to run and candidates that can win. win a tes that can primary and general election. what is missing here and this is a significant intentional aspect do.what we have tried to when i started the attempt to raise money for candidates for even before we had
candidates it was hard to get donors to get out the checkbook. they had been through election cycles that we didn't have the people thought we should. and governor romney didn't get elected president. so, my take away is what matters is do we have something to market. by that, do we've candidates that will appeal to donors? find out the next 30 days because i don't go to bed at night worrying about what the say and what l will be had the headline in your papers tomorrow. , if i can't sleep what i think about how we will certain our candidates have the necessary resources to win don't know right, i that i like -- i would not like to brag about -- and i don't talking about how we have not raised the money of the it is tic committee but about $30 million difference. your question is how does that happen. republicans as don't have is president obama,
ichelle obama, vice president baden who on a night can raise ne to two million dollars and have done it dozens of times, at east more than a dozen times for the democratic campaign committee. we don't have -- but you have the momentum. the perception is you are going win and they try to look at open the s and checkbooks. >> i think we have had donors to the been skeptical point i'm glad it hear you say he perception is the republicans are going to win. we have had that perception before and it didn't happen. i think that republican donors are skeptical about one more time opening their checkbook. >> "washington journal" continues. james ur next guest is hohmann a reporter for politico to talk about vulnerable governors across the
country. guest: good to be with you. story with ote a eadline incumbent gives fear wi wipeout. you wrote since 1960 four out of five only two were defeated in 2010 and none lost two years ago. of that could ll potentially change. 29ht now republicans control governorships and democrats 21. how do you see the balance of changing come november? guest: i think there will be but how many ft incumbent might lose. we spend our time talking about will it go republican or not. but in the states there are a lot of democrats and republicans could go down next month. it is remarkable when you look red states like idaho are in play and blue states like connecticut and in play.are right now republicans control 29. a y are likely to pick up seat in arkansas where a
governor is retiring and up crats are likely to pick maine and pennsylvania with two elected in d those the tea party who have never been very popular, have truggled and the states are returning to the natural democratic inclinations. gives u have a bunch of out that folks who won in 2010 good he republicans had a year in states that barack obama carried twice and now they have to defend their seats. of them are household names. scott walker in wisconsin a tough race. he probably will win but by one or two points because wisconsin is a blew state. in michigan. rick snyder ran in 2010 and up trailing in on, some polls. then some surprises. former s sam brownback senator and presidential candidate he said he wanted to for kansas a laboratory conservative experimentation and tax cuts a lot of big that forced spending cuts and he
is not very popular. in a state as right as theas the democrat leads in polls. i ranked the 10 most vulnerable incumbent who i think is the to the least e based on talking to operatives and people on the ground and in campaigns and looking at the polls. right now they are vulnerable one month out. overarching e an theme why they are vulnerable and a coincidence conflict of the factors you just mentioned? uest: there are a lot of local factors and the natural complexion where republicans but a lot of it is the economy. you are seeing these debates like the 2012 presidential campaign in the ense that the republicans are saying there hasn't been as much
economic growth as we would like the way. on you will see it soon. good.p line numbers are unemployment is going down but like the queezed,le country is on the wrong track so there is back and forth where wants tolican governor blame barack obama for feeling like things are broken and the democrat says you have been in of the state four years why haven't you turned it around. michigan is a great example. snyder who ran as a former .e.o. of a computer company a moderate persona came in and he has made a lot of very big big reforms. he took detroit and put it into bankruptcy, the largest ever and it has come out take on ptcy trying to the 50-year problem. good top line economic numbers people are struggling and wages are down unemployment one of the highest rates in the
country. so, rick snyder had been running commercials that said michigan there's been a michigan comeback. e have had a comeback in michigan but the last couple of weeks he changed the commercials feel it yet y not but the michigan comeback is on its way. indication that people don't feel like the economic gains have come. that in a bunch of other states, especially the ust belt like pennsylvania and wisconsin. host: we want to hear who you will vote for in the november elections. can call us and let us know , the republican line democratic line and the independent line. on us on social media twitter and on facebook or send .s an e-mail you mentioned earlier about the
president's influence on some of gubernatorial races. a colleague wrote that the resident is spending more time campaigning for gives than he senators. what is the impact there? guest: barack obama was in thursday and a lot of senate democrats because of of the map where democrats made gains in 2008 senate were elected in 2008 and gives unning for election were first elected in 2010, a good republican year. o the senate democrats are defending seats in places where bama's popularity has taken a hit and people in arkansas, louisiana. alaska, colorado, iowa, don't barack obama around because right now his approval rating is 40's. low on the governor's side the emocrats are trying to defend seats in illinois and his home
state he is incredibly popular pat quinn the governor there who is vulnerable was happy to president not just campaign but raise $1.35 million fund-raiser in chicago. so in some states like michigan candidate very much wants obama to come because thean motivate and activate drop-off voters. michigan has a lot of african-americans and young the became coalition when you look at polls they are not seen as likely voters and that he could motivate them even if overall his approval rating is lower than he carried the state. host: we will take the first rich from easton, pennsylvania, on the democratic line. taking my nks for call. if they got that all the republican senators and to just vote no and
take a pledge to just vote no that nothing would happen in this united states? thank you. guest: well, on the ebola legislative remedies are difficult. you are seeing a lot of members differentrs, call for things. we saw a lot of republicans call basically banning flights from the united stat -- from africa. it is not clear what they could pass because they are home campaigning. it is not clear what the legislative remedy with be what ou would be voting against or for. host: next is david from arnegie, pennsylvania, on the republican line. caller: i was calling in only , i would usually don't say 70% of the time vote republican but this time i to be not [inaudible]
even though they say pennsylvania is on the rise and the gas ause of underneath us. but i see the jobs are going to becauserom other states we don't have enough qualified people in this state to take those jobs. i'm tkpwg going to vote. tax go up 28 cents and yet aware not charge -- we charging anything to bring the gas out from nderneath us and from what i understand pennsylvania is almost like the saudi arabia of gas. west virginia and virginia charge it bring it out ground. i don't understand why they don't make up some of the money aware losing that way. guest: david just captured the reason tom corbett is going to 20 points. host: you rank him as the most list.able on your
guest: three years ago i wrote story called him a dead man walking which was early. it has been one of the things daingerfield.ney gets no respect. e did raise taxes in some ways and arguably he had to make a lot of tough decisions because here were bucket problems when he took over but he has been handling over his handling of jerry n state and sandusky situation when attorney general and for two years there over him and to vote s point i mostly republican when you look at polls in pennsylvania about a hird of republicans are defecting from corbett t. is a emocratic leaning and bluish purple state but a lot of republicans are not voting for attacked d they have wolf and thrown everything they have at him but it hasn't dynamic he underlying and at this point a lot of the big outside groups that might kind of all here
agree it is off the table and have moved on. brian from s michigan on the democratic line. james other state on hohma hohmann's vulnerable list to watch. caller: good morning. mr. rick g about snyder the flip-flopper. he gave money to schools all four years of his office and he's lying like a horse thief. $1.7 billion taken out of education. given back about $1 billion. hat is his idea of paying education ahead four years and right it opped on the work law. last for that until the legislature. so he is a liar. you capture one of the reasons the democrats are feeling very good about
michigan. there were all teahese ads abou spending and organized hit rick snyder because he signed right to work legislation and aid he didn't want to didn't have a position and then it because e signed he didn't feel like he had a choice and that upset the unions. so probably higher than beating wisconsin who is the public enemy number one of target.snyder is a top with that money the governors association ran brutal attack highlighting education cuts the first year that snyder was governor and he didn't respond.y there was a degree of overconfidence and he felt like achieved big things and he is pretty popular with the d.c. set didn't respond his negatives started to rise and approval rating took a hit they are running the ads
bout the comeback and now a month out you have the give shifting his messages, he still a one-on-oneo have debate with his democratic challenge challenger former congress plan is a very interesting dynamic partly because they allegations d to they are in much more dire straits than three months ago. host: a caller on the independent line from roger on the independent line. wiveragetsdz we've got kshsksh caller: we've got another flip-flopper. he's supported obama here and we are definitely as independents going to be supporting brink scott for reelection. >> and it's going to come down to what the independents decide to do.
thank you for bringing florida into the conversation because i haven't mentioned it and it's probably the most important and truly toss-up governors' race of the year. rick scott, former health care ceo was able to spend his way to win that seat never been particularly popular. but barack obama is really unpopular in florida. so much more kind of conservative than it was in 2012 or 2008 and he is now running against charlie kris ho is the rick cot's predecessor and then shortly after the 2012 campaign after being a surrogate for obama became a democrat and a lot of the ads in tv highlight his flip flops saying i think obama is terrible, then it's great saying he's pro life then pro choice. so that race is really a race to the bottom because neither guy is particularly popular.
the republican spent close to $30 million on attack ads and they really did take a toll on charlie kris' image. they used to like him and thought he was a nice guy but that's changed. so rick scott has opened a slight lead but ultimately still in the low to mid 40's. you have to find a way to improve your vote share. so now then chiffs has been defined and the crace is on can rick scott convince enough people that he is the lesser of two evils. he's trying to do that. there's an ad running in florida and it features his wife and he taking a long walk on the beach holding hands and nare rates how they lived the american dream and supposed to be very sweet ad that's supposed to make you like rick scott. and all of charlie's ads are just hammering rick scott on his tenure as a health care
ceo. host: another state that is in your circuit that we haven't mentioned yet is connecticut. the candidates, dan malloy and tom foley faced off in a debate. they got into a very heated exchange about foley's decades old arrest in which he resurrect add 2004-2005 corruption investigation into malloy. >> people don't always do what you do, tom. they don't bankrupt companies, they don't lay off workers. they don't treat people the way you've treated them in the past. you've questioned me and questioned my integrity. i would not have done that to you but raised these subjects but for the fact that you've gone a little over the top. >> mr. foley, your response. >> have you seen any of your ttack ads? you're a better prosecutor than governor, sir. listen, you repeatedly have not been truthful about things
you've said about me including tonight. i think the leadership an important aspect of leadership is being truthful. and you refer to a fine. i was never fined. by the sece but you were investigated for corruption. ings people would much rather hear about your plan to get the state on track and get people's lives moving forward. >> if you believe in telling the truth, tom, why don't you tell us how you lost $2.8 million in two years and why you didn't pay any income taxes in 2011 or 2012. why don't you disclose that information to the public so that they can put in context what you say is a great business career? host: that was the debate on thursday night between the
capped dates in connecticut's governors race. are all of the races that you were talking about in your story quite excite sng >> steve cully was on twitter as that was going on saying this is the most intensive debate we've had on c-span yet tweeting some of those exchanges. that captures just the mud-slinging there. and it's more than we even covered in that window. that debate was particularly nasty. a lot of these debates are nasty. it's because it's an off year, a nonpresidential year. a lot of the commercials are aimed as much at getting people who might for your opponent to not show up at all as to vote for you. it's less persuading people to vote for you but persuading people that the other guy is terrible. and you saw that in that debate and it is a lot of negativity because you have these governors who are not particularly popular and you
have to -- their approval rating might be in the low 40's. so you can win reelection but it's only by being a little more attractive than your opponent. so we've seen that in wisconsin where scott walker is outperforming his approval rating and this week both walker and the republican governors association are running ads attacking mary burke for plagiarizing part of her jobs plan. so that's kind of a good effective hit and they're going to keep hammering her on. brownback the -- sam not particularly popular. paul davis, currently in the lead in a lot of polls, he came out, found police reports that he had been at a strip club in 1998 during a meth bust never charged with any wrong doing but looks bad. he's in the back room of this strip club and now republicans are running commercials in kansas pointing that out saying what happened?
you judge a person by their past and on and on. so your question about the negativity when you're seeing those kinds of ads come up in these races you're definitely seeing this race to the bottom. >> the mud-slinging is happening fast and furious. back to your own lines. an on the drabtic line. caller: i'm not an, i'm kim. guest: hi, kim. caller: the flip-flop going on here in california, too, and i'm one of them. i have voted republican quite a while and i'm going democrat straight ticket. part of that has to do with there's just no competition. we're here in a drought and all i'm hearing from the republicans is that there's nothing to see here, keep it moving. and they're not dealing with the issues. everything is no. i look at what they're doing with the president and in congress and just -- the scales
have finally -- host: that's ann from california. next up legislator rain on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am an independent. i don't think christy is running on new jersey but i have to tell you i would never vote for a democrat at all. and even some of the republicans i have big questions on. i mean, as far as flip-flopping, geez. there's so much money that they make from the lobbyists and every one of them. and people are struggling with their balancing their checkbooks and the money that being spent is awful when you look at it. host: so which part are you going to vote for in november? guest: well caller: well probably republican bhaws what is the
choice? i think cory booker is up for senator at this election. i would never vote for him. and -- but he has a big chance to win and it's mostly a democratic state and we don't really have a choice even with republicans. guest: thanks. first on california. jerry brown is not on my list. he is going to win that reelection, win another term. it's not competitive despite any republican hopes that state is just solidly blue. in new jersey, it's interesting there's not a governors race, chris christy kind of ran up his margin a year ago with reelection with kind of a presidential campaign on mind been on defensive for the last year trying to put that behind him. in the senate race cory booker won a special election last year in october of 2013 he's going to almost certainly win reelection. he's facing a guy named jeff bell who is a ronald reagan speech writer in the 70's ran
for senate in 1978 and defeated an incumbent republican senator in the primary then lost to bill bradley in the general election that year. he came down moved to virginia has worked at think tanks for decades and decided as kind of a late life crisis i guess to move back to new jersey and to try running against cory booker. and it's been a funny campaign. he's close friends with bill crystal the editor of the weekly standard so he's gotten a lot of kind love from the right and the right-leaning blogs and magazines, et cetera but cory booker will win that race in new jersey. it's kind of fun to watch though. host: next up, ohio, republican line. caller: i'm calling about john casic and do you think he really is going to take the state and the other guy doesn't have a license and he's not -- you know, but he's writing
obama's coat tale and maybe because it is a democratic leaning stated that they have a shot? and kind of wanted to get your opinion. i mean, he's like the chris christy of the midwest. guest: thank you for your call. that is a race people thought was going to be competitive on the early list. it was high. ed fitzgerald there, has been a disaster. his campaign has imploded. he was seen in the arguably there was some questions surrounding it but he was in a car with a woman who wasn't his wife in a parking lot in a police report that came out and very sketchy. then he didn't have an active drivers' license. but it's much bigger than that. he just ran an awful campaign. and the fund raising numbers came out yesterday. john casic raised $1.6 million last month and ed fits gerald,
in the thousands. but i think he is going to run for president and going to run up the margin this year. he doesn't want to talk about it but he ran for president in 2000 dropped out when bush became the nominee. but he has the right kind of profile. he has a record he can point to in ohio, obviously a presidential swing state. in congress, chairman of the house budget can he in the 90s. so i think he is not on a lot of those 2016 lists, he's not in washington so we don't talk about him as much as a marco rubio or rand paul but john is someone to definitely keep an eye on. host: that's a good point you bring up, which is what does the outcome of these elections sort of say about which party will sort of have momentum going into 2016? guest: in a lot of ways the governors races are more important than the senate races for deciding the 2016 dynamic. and really, because there's going to be gridlock in congress no matter what, the republicans are going to
control the house so obama is not going to advance any agenda. but if democrats control some of these state houses where they already control the state legislature they could expand medicaid in states where they haven't. they could implement a lot of key priorities. but there's a lot of frustration among democrats that obama isn't doing more to help the governors help the democratic governors association. on some of these races there are very important 2016 implications. scott walker in wisconsin very tough race he won the recall election in 2012, walker is going to run for president if he wins the election this november. if he loses, his political career is essentially done but i think he is going to end up win big 1 or 2 points. i think rick snyder might try to run for president. if he wins. so there are a lot of people. it's fun to watch because chris christy is the chair of the
republican governors association. he's traveling in this past week he was campaigning with both scott walker and john casic in ohio because both of them are probably going to be his competition just next year for the presidential nomination. host: friends are enemies. right? next up is from stfment florida on the democratic line. caller: good morning. i'm calling about -- we have christy here, we have chris and scott. what do you prefer? well, i don't like either of the two but i'm going with the flip-flopper who was governor for a while, was good to the people. d he's got a good family record, better than scott. scott now is a family man when he's only a material businessman. e was dalled when we had the
opportunity with the obama funds for the rail from orlando to tampa which would have given us jobs. he said no. but when they said that they should background check people on stands he said yes. when we all know that his wife's business has been drug testing medical lab for years. so what do i prefer? i prefer a flip-flopper that is honest. not a corrupted one with a lot of money. guest: she has just captured an important dine nick in florida, which is why are so many democrats supporting this guy who was a republican governor only four years ago? nd a lot of it is because it's rick scott. -- they hate rick scott and they want to win. so kind of one of the amazing stories of this year is that who was able to coast to the democratic nomination. he had a primary opponent but not a credible one and has the
support and backing of everyone here. but what is interesting and is becoming an issue is that unlike other democrats in marginal states where the president's approval rating has taken a hit, those governors have tried to distance themselves from obama. on the health care law, on a lot of the unpopular stuff. charlie has actually gotten closer to obama. he's someone who want obama to campaign with him eevep though it probably wouldn't be that helpful for him politically but that's their mentality. and because he is trying to shore up the democratic base for voters like the caller he has kind of praised obamacare repeatedly said it's great and that helped him shore up the democratic base but now that might make the difference with the independent call we are heard from earlier. which is do you want an obama democrat who is a flip-flopper or rick scott the person you know host: from indiana now. dean.
caller: yes. i was thinking if we didn't democrat independent or republican parties, these people just ran on their name and not on any democrat ticket or republican ticket, we just ran on their ideas, i think at people would vote for the person and also i think that every american should listen d watch the documentary on michael moore's documentary on sicko. and after these, all these politicians leave, they're all ing to be working for -- you know, for -- trying to say, you know, for the stock market people.
that's all i have to say. guest: thanks. well, on the no label thing, labels are helpful and you kind of have to put on a jersey in a lot of ways in these states. it's an organizing system with two parties. host: we have a couple comments rom twitter. guest: thanks. i think that's right in a lot of these places. you don't see any inspiring uplifting kind of messages these days especially in the final months. minnesota is my home state where i grew up and i don't see the governors' race as competitive. i spent time around both candidates. jeff johnson the republican nominee. the poll showed that he is down double digits.
mark dayton is not super popular but is going to win that race in the business community really hasn't stepped up on the republican side to help republicans win the minnesota state house which was a priority for much of this year and so it looks like he will win. al franken is also favored at this point although republicans nominated a fairly impressive businessman but he hasn't been able to make that race still double digits in the polls and there's a couple i want resting house races in minnesota actually. sturelt mills who minnesotaens will know is in a very competitive race with nick nolton in the upper part of the state by lake superior so that's kind of fun to watch. but i don't expect any change at the governors' race or the senate level. host: another state we haven't gone into detail is kansas which you've mentioned a couple of times.
senator jerry moran actually joined or will on sunday. here he is talking about kansas politics and governor brownback's race and why governors' races are different than senators' races in kansas. >> it's not that cansens are frustrated with republicans, it's that they're frustrated with washington, d.c. incumbents, a belief that the country is headed in the wrong direction and nothing is being done about it. >> how does that splarne governor brown gak? >> when it comes to gube toral campaigns, kansas is much more divided. when i say we haven't elected a democrat to the united states senate, that is true. we haven't done that since 19 32. we'd a number of democrat governors over the years. in fact it's a pretty rare thing that republican governors get reelected. i just think that when it comes to the governors race this is typical kansas having this
bate about the role of state got. i think brownback wins the race. kansas is not going to be a democrat state in with the november election. but i think the dynamics of a governors race is significantly different than the dynamics of the senate race. host: your comments on the clip. guest: i'm covering both races very closely and they are different. the key for republicans to win in the senate race is to connect the independent candidate. sam can't really connect his democratic challenger to obama. these are stain issues that state issues. i think senator moran is right about that but republicans could lose both races. host: we have time for one last caller and that will be from ohio on the democratic line. you have the last word for the segment. caller: thank you. there are only nine excuting states left. one is ohio.
and therefore we want to get rid of governor casic who also has cut library funding five times while he has given increased money to teach children to kill animals with bows and air ost. he has sent virtually one half billion dollars back to washington and quashed our mass transit program while at the same time the health department promoting guard sill for cervical vaccines which is a drug which has destroyed the ovaries of countless women and killed dozens. guest: interesting you mentioned capital punishment there. obviously we're having a renewed conversation about it. there's been botched executions. but that's not really surfacing in these races and it's kind of remarkable. it really isn't coming up in ads, not coming up on the trail. i think in a lot of these states the reason is capital punishment is still popular and
no democrat wants to run against it. thank you for your question. host: thank you so much for joining us this morning. guest: my pleasure. host: be sure to check out our website where we will be covering the top house senate and gubetorle races and also following more than 100 debates over the control for congress. we will also be covering the montana u.s. house debate tonight at 8:00 p.m. where u.s. house candidates john lewis, will debate. this will be their first and only scheduled televised debate before the november 4 mid term elections for the single house district seat in montana. next up we'll be talking with our guest, discussing highway safety and trucking regulations.
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is venison. they eat about one deer a week and then the deer living on the outskirts of this beautiful lush city where we have irrigated gardens and lawns, the city attract it had deer. so we had a deer herd living in downtown boulder. then the lions move back into the area. they were on open space area. then they discovered deer in town. so the deer lured the lions into town. then the lions discovered that they could eat dogs and cats. that's food for them. so the lions were learning and they have learned that this is where they will find food. there's certainly food up there, too, but there's lots to eat in town. >> it's a retreat generally in a beautiful place for enrichment, enlightenment, entertainment and coming together. the people who were intended to be the audience were really what we would call the middle class. the programs at most were very
similar. a combination of speakers of the day. also a variety of both what we might consider high brow and low brow entertainment. opera, classical music, and probably what would be considered the vaudeville of that day. >> wall amount of our events rom boulder today. "washington journal" continues. host: our next guess is the transportation reporter from bloomberg news. thank you so much for joining us. guest: thanks for having me. host: tonight start by talking about some of the stats out of the trucking industry. talk about highway safety and some of the new regulations around this sector of the economy. some of them are really staggering in terms of the number of accidents and
fatalities involved with large truck driving. 333,000 trucks are involved in traffic accidents. there were 104,000 total injuries involving large trucks in 2012, 4,000 fatalities. you've written that this is one of the most dangerous fields to work in. what makes this field so dangerous and so deadly? one of the things is it's on the highway with ever growing levels of traffic and congestion. and so that's one element. drivers of the truck themselves die at kind of an alarming rate when compare to other occupations. it's something like seven times igher than the average worker. but some of the things that
profession gerous and also just a topic that's worthy of public discussion is some of the working conditions. so truck drivers tend to work really long hours. ey're limited by federal law to a total of 14 hours work a day. if they hit what most people would consider to be a very high weekly limit, they have to take a mandatory rest break but that limit is 60 hours every seven days or 70 hours over 8 days. and if they hit that limit then they have to take what most people would consider to be like a day off. to it's 34 hours and that's
include two overnight rest periods. host: do we have any sense how much these long hours might be contributing to driver exhaustion and how much that deaths? factoring into guest: so one of the key statistics in this industry is the last year for which we have full data is 2012 and that was 3,9 21 truck-related fatalities. so there is debate over how many of those crashes are related to fatigue. but the best estimates are somewhere between 7% and 13% are related to fatigue. so that's not as high a number as 3900 but it's still a pretty high number. and there's just been the oncern over many decades about the hours that drivers put in
and then when there are some high profile crashes we see that drivers quite often are at the end of their very long work shifts or they just have exceeded or just fallen asleep by phone.can reach us truck drivers, if you are listening on the radio you can -585-3882. 202 majorntioned some of the cases that might spur the debate over the appropriate amount of
rest and work these truck drivers should do. one of then is the accident involving actor tracy morgan. can you tell us what happened in that incident and how much change we might be seeing because of it. guest: that crash got a lot of attention he cousin of the celebrity involved. i think what a caught a lot of people's attention about that and it was in new interstate.major a very typical scenario. it was a construction zone. tracy morgan was in a large sprinter van limousine with a small group of people.
up behinddriver came him and just hit him from a hind. the driver was within the legal but he was right at the end of his 14 hour day. he had not exceeded the limits , i think he was 23 miles away from his destination with about 25 minutes left before he hit the federal time limit. was a question of whether walmart designed this route so that there was so little margin of error, so you may have drivers who were speeding to make it within their legal limits. another thing that has come out about that case is that the driver lived in
delaware but he reported for work in georgia. he told police he was up for 24 hours before the crash. raises questions about how frequent it is that drivers may have to commute 500 miles before and start their work shift what kinds of responsibilities the drivers themselves are taking and what kind of responsibilities the company is taking. to turn to your calls. the first one will be from charleston, west virginia, where joyce's calling. good morning. caller: good morning. in west virginia it seems like every other day there is a crash and fatality because of these semi-trucks. i worked in washington dc and drove back to west virginia many times a year for over 20 years.
i was terrified. a lot of times i could not wait to the next exit he i would be sandwiched between these big trucks. and i feel now there should be separate highways, they should not be a with regular drivers. >> i think the caller raises an interesting point. i hear this a lot from people who drive on the highways with cars. there is a lot of fear of trucks out there. i think a lot of truckers would feel the same way about separate highways. we tend to focus on some of and weramatic crashes look into some of the
circumstances around him. there are a lot of crashes out there that happen every day that people do not pay attention to. to be fair tove truck drivers, it is a very hard job that they do every day. more than half of the crashes involving cars and trucks can be shown that they were not the truck driver's fault. we have a trucker on the line now, dave from indiana. you talk about highway safety, if you want to make the highway safer you take truck drivers and put the on and hourly wage. no truck driver would be breaking the law. right now the incentives for truck drivers, i drove 35 years with hazardous material, large machinery, bulldozers, stuff like that over the rose -- over the roads.
everything is geared for the company to make money, not the driver. i have two or three hours of loading time that i have to log that i do not get paid for. i drive to dallas and i have to give up to free hours that i did not get paid for to unload. 30% of nothing is nothing. then you get to the new place, that is two more hours. in a day and a half i have six hours i do not get paid for. if you are running 50 miles per hour in, that is four hours i do not get paid for. i have to stay up night that stay up all night to break the law. -- stay up all night and break the law. set the other coiled by your truck and they go to lunch, so you are stuck there for an hour. you can put 60 miles down the road. our waiting for the dem to come
back from lunch to put the second coil on your truck so you can drive to detroit. -- for them to come back from lunch to put a second coil and trucks are you can drive to detroit. --ler: on most all of the them islmost all of hi paid by the hour. -- by the mile. you are only earning money if your tires are turning. you hear that a lot when you talk to drivers. abouthe caller raised going to a loading dock and hours,to wait around for that creates tremendous stress for the truck driver because they are not getting paid while they are waiting. usually the waiting is outside of their control.
it is not only costing the money by waiting but adding a lot of pressure to then when they do get on the road because they are going to run up against ease federal time limits. nancy fromis springdale, arkansas. caller: i am hearing some good stuff this morning. i am so glad the driver called in. the only one that disappointed me was the lady who said she is afraid of trucks. i can guarantee the drivers are just as afraid or more afraid of cars and she is a trucks. my husband is driving right now. he is on a load in texas. that hee so many times needs time to rest. and going to get a ticket ruin his driving life if he doesn't have somewhere safe to go. he cannot do that. to federal regulations have
-- they cannot idle. it is 110 degrees in those boxes. that is so wrong. rest ifnnot get any they are freezing cold and they are burning up. host: on twitter -- guest: that is a good point. obviously there are these rules in place. they can be hard to enforce. the airline industry is relatively small and contained. , we have 10s
million large trucks on the road. that is a big deal for federal regulators. industry.re dispersed guest: it is more dispersed. there are not enough cops out there or federal investigators out there to look at every truck all the time. crashes,go into these quite often you find severe maintenance violations that have gone on for many years. that kind of thing would not be allowed in aviation. host: efforts are underway to possibly ease those standards, right you go guest: that is correct.
i think the caller that just called him raised the point. when you talk to truck drivers they do not want more limits theyse in the real world need flexibility. average people look at this and 70 hours a week should be enough. drivereally dangerous to and 80,000 pound vehicle beyond that. host: in other words, truckers are asking for more time so they can log more miles. guest: the latest version of these regulations took effect last year. the summer we sought debate in congress about whether to rolled him back. the trucking industry really would like some tweaks.
especially a 30 hour rest break. they would like some adjustment to that. going to hear from some truckers now. caller: we thank you for this great opportunity. i heard this conversation going on this morning and it has been a great opportunity. i want to share something i have been working on in the past four years. it is an initiative to design -- initiative designed to decrease the overall rates in the industry. this is a program i have been working on for the last four years. the problem is at this point it is being looked at from a financial and more than a helpful and of how can help the transportation industry.
of being ableket to put this initiative to work because i know it will benefit the industry because it will give the truck drivers the chance to actually spend more and less time over the road. they spend more time making sure they are functioning correctly in the job spend more time at home. contractedrking on a basis. >> what is the name of it? caller: -- host: next up is thomas from daytona beach in florida. you are on the air.
caller: i have been a truck driver for 32 years. i have probably 4 million miles. the point i want to make is with the wage laws our government has , here in the united states if you are a truck driver you don't get paid overtime. you are one of the few people in the united states of america that if you do 14 hours per day you do get that you do not get any overtime for that.
-- 14 hours per day you do not get any overtime for that. the truckingo make companies adhere to safety rules, just make him pay overtime. -- just make them pay overtime. you would be surprised. great i think it is a point. there is an initiative that is , and obama administration bill called the crow america act. it does -- the grow america act. it hasn't gotten very far.
sometimes these ideas have to be that is -- oute there. that is the space everybody should be watching. host: next is kevin from iowa, who is also a chapter. -- also a chucker. -- a trucker. aller: when we are loaded we gh 80,000 pounds. pull --n chicago would they don't understand that we cannot stop on a dime.
when we are driving down the cap highway -- driving down the you are doing everything you can to keep that truck in your lane. windy, the wind just .akes that truck and moves it we are doing everything to keep .he truck in the lane we are hauling a lot of weight behind that truck. commentant to make a
that the federal government wants to put electronic logbooks in the trucks. few places have electronic logbooks. electronic logbooks, if you are cannot pull over on the side of the road and sleep there for overnight. can you talk about these electronic logbooks? guest: that is one of the issues that is pending. it is almost imminent in washington. the idea has been around for at least 15 years. it is not a technological problem. but it has been a political problem. think the idea is that we do
have these federal regulations .n driving time limits the other places paper logbooks. more of the large companies are going to electronic monitoring systems. all truck drivers have to use electronic locking devices. host: would it potentially shutdown the vehicle or is it more efficient -- guest: my understanding is it shut the truck down. they do not think it is necessary and they think it is an expense they should not have to bear.
host: next up is kevin from scarsdale, new york. caller: i am the owner of a truck repair company for over 40 years. i think there needs to be more deal he stops. when truckers come in they have d.o.t. stops they set up to inspect the vehicles. ,hen one is set up in new york a lot of the trucks that are on -- we are called upon, we cannot stop the truck. i only have another 30 miles to go.
>> when i do investigate crashes and i look at company safety records, this kind of thing does come up. there are tremendous numbers of citations for breaks. what people should keep in mind about trucks is there braking system is complicated. it is not necessarily a critical safety problem. when you see a pattern of violations that the trucks are taken out of service. are somet just there basic maintenance that is not being taken care of. host: next up is tom from iowa.
--ler: mic recap -- my recap my problem was that cars, four wheelers as we would call then, to not have the experience to drive around trucks. 80,000 pounds cannot stop on a dime. when we blow our horns at the m they follow us to a truck stop. wheelers think an 18 has 18 breaks. we don't. we have 10 axles -- or five axles. each axle has a set of brakes. next up is george from maryland, who is also a trucker. you are on the air. go ahead.
caller: i just retired. i have been trucking since the late 60's. the biggest expense was loading and unloading. this is something truckers have no control of. when you go to unload, you have scheduled time. and it is lined up first come first serve. this touchdown on the truckers , and if you're going to put gps is that track their time all of the time, when you do that you are going to put more trucks on the road. would i wonder if george have a comment about whether being paid for waiting at the
loading dock -- would that make a difference? the electronic locking devices, my read is they are coming. that is going to be hard to stop. i wonder if the solution is long along that is along the lines of trying to change the other parts of the equation. host: joe, you are a chucker, what the think about the possibility of being paid at the loading dock? would that change your driving behavior? caller: i run for a union company were all i do is run terminal to terminal. the problem is nobody has touched on the problem of this trucking industry. changed, yournment
have 14 hours from the time you start your day to the end of your day. done, it has forced drivers to run. you have 14 hours. it doesn't matter if you are in a traffic jam, accident, dad weather, no matter what. you have 14 hours to complete that day. these hours of service is going to force you to drive tired. old hours of service, you can get up and finish your truck. this 14 hours, this is the
biggest problem of these hours of service. people believe that if tribes are working more than 14 hours in a day, the possibility of fatigue could go way up. i have heard that when they change it to 14 hours they took away a lot of the flexibility that drivers previously had. that is an interesting question.
caller: if anything is wrong with the truck they get mad at him. a lot of these cars cut the strive -- cuts the truck drivers off. it takes longer to stop. beep our last caller will all from riverview florida, who is a trucker. caller: the biggest problem is when reagan deregulated the , we have toustry have our unions back to take care of our drivers. host: how unionized is the industry?
guest: less and yes -- less and less. companiesa few strong that's just a bunch of different packages put into the same trailer. for the truck load companies, the ones hauling trailers all the way across the country and back, there are a most unions other than ups. host: there have been very large settlements involved going to the victims of some of these accidents. you had one particular case that was quite compelling. can you tell us about it? guest: we ran a story on tuesday and will decided to look in depth at a single crash. it illustrated a lot of the issues in the trucking industry.
they were running a triple trailer in ohio. site was a construction and the driver admitted he fall -- he fell asleep at the scene. by the time he was aware of the situation he tried to break and there was no time. a ford focus pushed it into another truck. ofs crash killed the mother two sons. injured her 12-year-old son, who was sitting in the front seat. then the driver went to jail, which is sort of unusual.
we profiled it in part because the driver and the victim had a very long personal exchange of letters wall the driver was in jail. he got out ofy as jail and recanted what he had said on the scene host: many emotional stories involved in this as well as debate on the hill. thank you for joining us. tomorrow on "washington journal," we'll be holding several conversations, including one on the 2014 health races with david wasserman, the health editor of cook political report. thel be discussing productions of seat changes as well as at buying and messaging as well as key outside groups playing in those campaigns. will also have a republican ll