tv Montana At- Large Congressional Debate CSPAN October 5, 2014 12:00pm-1:01pm EDT
>> >> very shortly we will expect to take you to atlanta where we will hear from the cdc director about the ebola outbreak. according to reuters, a patient's conditions has gone from serious to critical. he is currently being isolated at the dallas hospital. an american, -- american doctor who contracted ebola while working in west africa was admitted to a u.s. -- to a massachusetts office of -- massachusetts hospital yesterday. he is currently in isolation for signs of a potential relapse. that is another case that could potentially come up in this briefing we expect to start shortly. a we wait what bring you conversation we had with an associated press reporter talking about the white house response.
>> joining us in the phone is josh, join -- following the story from the white house advantage point. thank you for being with us. let me ask you about the white house response. is the administration staying ahead of this story? >> they are and their big concern is trying to reassure the public that this is not the time to panic. there has been a lot of discussion across the united states and elsewhere about the ebola issue, which is a legitimate concern. situation we had in africa at this point. there is only one diagnosed case and the white house is trying to delay concerns that this is something people need to have -- >> we are going to leave this conversation and take you live to atlanta. will hear from
three speakers and we will take questions. our first speaker is cdc director dr. tom friedman. >> hello, everyone. exactly one week since the first patient with ebola in this country was diagnosed in dallas texas. it is a good time to look back on what is happening that week and see where we are likely to be going. the patient was diagnosed on tuesday. that evening we had staff on the helping a terrific staff in dallas in texas respond to this case. we have no doubt we will stop it in its tracks in texas. back andh stepping seeing how ebola spreads. it only spreads by direct contact with someone who is sick or with their body for lou -- or with their body fluids.
the core of control is identifying everyone who may have had contact with dem and making sure they are monitored and immediately isolating him to break the chain of transmission. there is no doubt we can stop ebola. hasnt to talk about what happened in dallas and turn to my colleagues. inn about what is happening the u.s. more broadly and finally where we are in the epidemic in west africa. dallas, the work there by the staff of local and state health departments has been terrific. been able to assess all 114 individuals make possibly have had contact. they ruled out 66 did not have contact. 10 appeared to have contact with the individual when he might infections.e been
of those 10 seven our health care workers and three our family or community contacts. peoplere about 38 other of who we cannot rule out had contact. all of those people will be tracked for 21 days to term and whether they had fever. they will immediately be isolated, tested, and if they have ebola they will -- they will determine if there were any additional contacts. every outbreak in the world was in west africa until this one. going on to the u.s. situation, we see a lot of understandable concern.
we're really hoping for the recovery of the patient in dallas. we understand his situation has taken a turn for the worse. know this is a serious disease and we are hoping for his recovery. people are scared and it is normal to be scared. for health-care workers that are caring, we want him to be scared. -- want them to be scared. we want them to channel that into being incredibly meticulous about infection control. many people have pointed out that the individual was not diagnosed. be doing a lot more in the coming days and weeks to inform and empower not just doctors but nurses, health care professionals of all kinds, to and anybodyebola
who was been in guinea, syria, happens weif that rapidly isolate the him, assessed him, and test him for ebola. has already reached hundreds of thousands of health care professionals with alerts, information, materials, tools, a webinar, and we will ramp that up working closely with medical associations, groups of doctors, nurses, and others. at this time ebola remains top of mind. we have seen the level of interest increase. it is about to 800 calls or
e-mails today. we understand the levels of concern. we also understand people would like to do everything possible to keep ebola out of the u.s.. our top priority is to protect americans from threats. we are doing that by many different ways. one of the miss working to stop the outbreak at its source. there's a possibly someone will affect someone else and possibly have another case of ebola. there is a risk in other places. an outbreak anywhere is potentially a threat anywhere. one of the things we cannot do is making sure everyone leaving -- beingntries
observed to see if they appeared bea -- appear to be ill. they have removed 77 people who would have boarded planes to leave those three countries and didn't. i can assure you the leadership of each of those countries wants to make sure that screening is as good as it can be because they need the airlines to keep flying. we won't be able to stop the outbreak there. in addition we work with health care workers and there is rapid identification of cases. there have been suggestions from people in congress, the public, the media. we will look at those and see what works to protect americans and make sure what we do does not intentionally increase our risk.
those of the criteria we are using. we are doing what we can to further increase the safety of americans. the situation remains very fluid. i speak with the cdc leaders who are there and we sent 135 of our top disease tetra tech does -- top disease detectives in each of the three , one of the things that is striking is the diversity of the experience. of the individual countries has its own patterns of disease spread. in some of the him there are districts that have not had a case of ebola. them there are only a handful of cases. we are looking across the street
-- across these three countries to see what can be done to call this forest fire. will we have seen real progress in the response over the last two weeks. the department of defense has made a big difference. seen increased support for families that want to respectfully and safely bury -- it reduces the spread of ebola. while we are still not ahead of it we are good and further along than where we were before. i'm looking forward to briefing president obama on the situation in west africa tomorrow and to further ensuring the president's direction that we move rapidly to do as much as we can to stop
this and what we are not only doing in cdc but globally. seeing a tremendous global coalition committed to doing this. that is where we are in dallas and globally. before i turn it over to my one thingin texas, that did not get much notice we published a report on what happened in nigeria. they ended up with 19 secondary cases, additional cases. response comeapid effectively tracking 900 contacts, they apparently have been able to stop the outbreak in nigeria. it does look like the outbreak is over there. anywhere we apply the
fundamental principles of affection control and public health follow-up, we can stop ebola. >> thank you. next speaker is dr. david, the commissioner of the department of state health services. >> good afternoon. i want to thank dr. freedman for the support of the cdc as we are working on this effort right now. start off i want to say that my thoughts and prayers and our wish the patient -- thoughts and prayers are with the patient right now. indeed the hospital workers are caring for that patient right now.
we're doing our work with the with the cdc. a lot of important hard work is taking place right here in texas and dallas to ensure that the people of dallas are safe. the good news is we have not had more cases. we are still very cautious to make sure we can continue to care for individuals, monitor the situation it needs to be done. our focus is to monitor every -- our and to identify priority is to keep tracking those individuals. ofwant to make sure we arm closely monitoring then.
making sure food issues are identified or if electricity was turned off during the storm, that those issues are resolved. neighbors have had a concerns and we have tried to have health educators address those issues in the community. our focus is to make sure you are informed and understand how the public health system works. it works to prevent and contain these risks. of people are listening right now. i want to reemphasize ebola is not sporting by the -- not spread through the air. there are hospitals across the state of texas and the nation. they are on the lookout for any additional cases. we want him to be on high alert and identify additional debt
identify individuals with travel history. these individuals can be identified quickly and health care workers can be protected. are going to call on us and that is how we want the system to work. we are on high alert right now. forontinue to plan contingencies and a lot of of work has taken place to make sure that whatever happens we are as prepared as we need to be to address those issues. i want to thank you for the partnership between the cdc and the state of texas and dallas. thank you. >> clay lewis jenkins is our final speaker.
>> good morning. happy sunday to everyone on the call. i want to start off by thanking all of the people currently being monitored and their families. realize that when you are being monitored, even with a low veryfor ebola, it is a unsettling and terrifying process to worry about. and praying for all of you many others are as well. this morning i had the part -- had the opportunity to participate in half of a mass. 1.2 million catholics are under his leadership. ebola and was on
remaining calm and showing compassion and our duties to our fellow man. a message being preached throughout synagogues, churches, and mosques in the dallas county area. i want to thank the fate community for stepping up, for the faith leader who found him, for the hope for louise and three young men. they have stepped up as they always do in times of crisis. i want the public to remember we have the same sort of concerns as some people have the same types of panic when we had the west nile i -- west nile virus outbreak in 2012. i'm speaking to you from our eu see in dallas county. sitting next to me as david lakey from the state of texas,
our public health commissioner and highest authority on public health. men in mythe two offices and were at my side when we stopped the ninth -- west nile virus outbreak in 2012. real work of news reports come will answer the first question ahead of time. he was identified as a contact. we have our dallas county sheriff's department and dallas police department teams on the ground now. they have been there since last night. we are working to locate the and get him to a
comfortable compassionate place ande we can monitor him care for his every need during the full monitoring period. this person has not committed a crime. they are a low risk individual. we are doing this as a precautionary measure. again i want to thank everyone, the staff of homeland security and emergency management and dallas county health and human services. as well as my executive staff for all of their hours and hours of work on very little sleep. the individual was seen yesterday, the low risk individual was seen yesterday, was monitored, and asymptomatic low exposure of individual.
about.r what we talked asymptomatic people have zero chance of contracting the ebola virus from and asymptomatic individual. you want to move than from a comfortable and compassionate while we monitor then throughout the monitoring period. we will turn it over for questions. >> if you would like to ask questions -- >> can you talk about this
patient in dallas to take a turn for the worse? are they getting the same treatment those patients we saw -- tlanta and nebraska >> ebola is a serious infection and can be fatal in many people who get the infection. x -- some patients receive an experimental treatment. it is three specific anti-bodies but there are a very small number of those in the world. takes a long time to make more of that medicine so it will not be available anytime soon. there is a second experimental medicine. we don't know if they work or it can actually make it sicker like they did.
if they wanted to they have access to it. >> i have teed up questions, the first one has to ask about protection for health care workers. health care workers wear a safe mask. there are some experts in respiratory protection that argued the cautionary principle says in the absence of absolute certainty in terms of the mode of transmission that higher levels of protection should be used. certainly the other patients in the united states were treated in high containment settings. what is your recommendation? workers health care using in terms of respiratory protection? >> the key with the bullet is to barrier and other
creek cautions are stripped the following. we have seen lapses in infection and control have resulted in spread, it often has been a problem putting on or taking off protective equipment. if you don't do it carefully you make contaminate yourself by mistake. it is very clear from everything we have seen in a west africa, everything we have seen with this fire us, the spread is nowhere near as contagious as measles or tv or the common cold. cashing it requires direct contact. we have not had until now many patients with the bullet in the u.s.. we have had five patients caused by viruses.
none of those five patients were initially diagnosed. there were no secondary infections in any of those cases. the standard precautions work but they have to be applied. want to have additional safeguards, that is entirely up to then. years andr many decades care for patients in africa. procedures -- it is not a question of being highly infectious. it is because the precautions that are taken are strictly and meticulously adhered to. >> you mentioned seven health
care workers are among those being monitored. when the patient first appeared at the hospital, routine bloodwork was taken. did this include the people in the laboratory who were handling those specimens? potential at all exposures within the hospital context. >> our first question is with elizabeth cohen from cnn. does he you tell us, receive any other medicine? >> i didn't hear the specifics of the question. >> as far as we understand experimental medicine is not being used. the medication can be quite difficult for patients to take
and may worsen their conditions. familycome up to his what treatment to take. supportive care, managing fluids, supporting the patient's vital functions, these are all critical issues to address. >> our next question is with script news. about the question difference between why you had the physician that was exposed as opposed tod the duncan family and friends and why they were kept under guard in an apartment complex, why are they not being monitored when youcal facility have a know the person being monitored at the national institutes of health clinical center? also when will the cdc make public the state of the doctor
and had he been tested for ebola? consult theto treating facility. they would consult the family. the situation is a clinical research center where clinical research is done. contacts i will make a brief comment and turn it over to dr. leahy. the concern is not that they may affect other people. judge jenkins said it exactly right. the only thing we need to ensure is that their temperature is -- monitored. the authorities in texas determined the only way to ensure that for certain
individuals that temperature is monitored daily was to take the actions they took. >> thank you. i think that is correct. control order to ensure we can protect the public health and safety. we do everything we can to monitor it compassionately and care for it. we feel very comfortable where the individuals are at this time. gettinge challenges into that location. things are going well with some now. have individuals that are working with m daley, monitoring, taking temperature, and we feel comfortable they are in a safe environment. you transported him to the house, anything you would like to add to that? hospital were in the
-- you'd wantily him to be in the place this family is in. their medical monitoring is excellent and we are doing everything that needs to be done that can be done in a hospital, which consists of checking their temperature and vitals twice a day. without getting into the specifics of the individuals, we have a young man who is enjoying playing basketball now. even though the science is clear, ebola was discovered in 1976 and experts who are working are the sameus experts who may be working on it .
-- working on it in the past 40 years. if i put this family in a hospital there are going to be people who are afraid to go to the hospital. i need our citizens to know that otherterians and every hospital in dallas county is safe and if you need medical care you need to go to the hospital. i am more concerned about bad outcomes if we overcrowded emergency rooms with panic. that was the thought process in moving >> way to a location away from under individuals, and more appropriate place for young people. them to a location
away from other individuals and more appropriate place for young people. couldas wondering if you tell us about this individual you are looking for. is he or she one of the 50 you are monitoring and what kind of contact did he or she have? people whod other have gone missing like him or her in the past few days? overalll outline the and then turned to dr. leahy -- to dr. lakey. the individual being sought was monitored yesterday. he had not yet missed a day of monitoring. folks inident the texas found him before and can find him again. the nature of his contact was considered low risk. identified in two groups, one in a group of 10 who definitely appeared to have contact. it may not have been substantial contact but it was contact.
affiliate might have had contact. he was in that group might have had contact. all of the monitored each -- have monitored each day none of the him have symptoms, none of him have fever. the kind described that as a -- this isefinite not a special infected fluid. this is someone who might have touched the patient. a definite risk contact for this is not in a had you -- ant contact very high risk in cash is not very high risk individuals and that he had definite contact. we need to make we -- i believe to him andget work
make sure his being to the monitored compassionately. are working so we have a we areled environment is making sure his every need is met during this time. now, we listening right want to make sure we address his needs and monitor him compassionately and that it is a very low risk situation and we want to be careful and compassionate as we care for him. thank you. to thate add something if he is listening to this. i am the person who took that family in my personal car to where they are now. you have my word that your every
need will be taken care of during that monitoring period. theant to help you and help public to know you are being monitored. in coming tohelp us were going to an officer and letting him know who you are. contact me and we will come to you and work out your every need. >> we have another question in the room. >> johnny clark with the associated press. you mentioned unfortunately the patient in texas had taken a turn for the worse. foryou give us any details any of the experience we are experiencing? -- for what we are experiencing? can be challenging to support the vital functions while the patient's natural
immune system is trying to fight it off. next question on the phone. >> your line is open. >> just a follow-up on the person you are trying to locate, can you tell us what you are to do to locate this person. >> the individual has not been located. >> we are the boots on the ground locating him. enforcement and other responders, agencies, places where we are using the same sort of data that we use to find anyone we are looking for and we will take that top-tier effort to locate this individual. he is to stress because not committed any kind of crime or is in any sort of trouble but
because we have a great place for him to stay and we are going to tend to his every need and we need the individual to help us a coming forward and being hero for his community by letting us help him. >> next question on the phone. question comes from the new york times. >> i was hoping you could give us some detail on what happened at newark airport yesterday. i'm curious how you are able to so quickly ruled out ebola. >> once that patients detailed history and clinical examination was done it became clear that the symptoms the individual had were not consistent with ebola. they were consistent with another minor illness from which he was recovering. yesterday there will
be more rumors and more possible cases. respondensure we wer rapidly in each case. the key is to isolate dem immediately, get testing done, and take appropriate action. testified another obvious source. he was better and went on his way. we will go to the next question. >> thanks for being available today. quick housekeeping
question for myself and other journalists. i know you have a briefing with president obama tomorrow. to the best of your knowledge are there any congressional hearings or big meetings for people to keep an eye on? >> we will take that one day at a time. we look forward to continuing to work collaboratively. we are encouraged by the commitment and support. all inunderstand we are this together and there are clear things we all have to do. we can stop it here. we can control it in africa. next question in the room. >> is there anything you can learn from -- really the experience about the screening process.
facilitiesto other when it is base on the forthcoming us of that person and their travel history when they may not be so forthcoming. we need toear increase the confidence of the system and the reliability about finding out about travel history and rapidly isolating people who may have traveled to anyone of these three countries. we learned from the past and recognized that we cannot always be perfect. we learned to say -- to see what can be better next time. we are informing everyone in the health-care care system who told have contact coming in think about ebola and keep it in top of mind. had some challenges dealing with medical waste. just before this patient was diagnosed there was a glitch in the removal of medical waste.
have a newwe situation we learn from it. >> next question on the phone. >> next question is from washington post. >> i wanted to ask whether the doctors who were treating the patient for ebola in dallas were there were be any blood transfusions, any survivor who has been treated successfully. >> you have to refer that question to the hospital. >> i do not have any comments. >> next question is denver with time magazine. >> the fellow you are looking the low risk potential contact, have you been in touch with him before? > david?
>> the answer is yes he does. we were able to bring him in yesterday and monitor him, check ,is temperature, evaluate him told him to stay there and we followed him. this towhy we escalated make sure we can most that we can closely monitor him. >> i think that answer the question. >> thank you. >> next question. family line is open. >> thank you for taking my call. i was wondering if you can clarify what happened at the when the patient first walked in. sent out a new statement saying there was no follow-up to the system. it is not clear to me what
happened, whether it was human error, could you clarify. >> do you want to address that? >> i think the hospital needs to answer that question about what occurred on that today. >> we have two separate statements that are conflicting at this time. >> the care of patients is complex and you have to recognize that lots of people come into the emergency department every day. is why we provided checklists and algorithms. that is why we are working with nursing groups to ensure we can do everything we can so whenever someone comes in a travel history is taken and symptoms are immediately isolated and treated. teed up more questions on the phone and one in the room.
>> your line is open. >> could you elaborate on your travel and limiting how that would exacerbate the epidemic if we let people out or the concern that we will not be allowing health care workers in? >> there are a series of things that have to happen. it coulda real risk spread to countries in africa and be an ongoing risk. not justally important africa but to u.s. and the world. we need countries not being completely isolated from the world. this would be very damaging to the countries, to the abilities to get health in, for the people to get help. the force in liberia
from the african union was coming. they have already sent dozens of workers. was delayed by about a week. that delayed the response and ironically that probably increased the risk that they will have imported cases in the future. we are committed to protecting americans. it increased the risk that makes it harder to stop the out break in africa. m our final question is with amanda from the huffington post. >> thank you for taking my questions. first i just wanted to clarify the patient he said were high risk. from my understanding relatives
are being quarantined. how long -- to symptoms have to sit in before you test for ebola? >> you cannot spread ebola unless you have symptoms and you cannot test for it accurately. the test will be negative until there are symptoms. when ebola first comes on the amount of -- amount of virus clippers excretes or sheds is located the test may be negative for someone with an initial fever. as someone gets more sick they get more infectious because there are more and more virus in their body. of household and community contacts, we identified people who either did and definite touch individuals who may have had that contact. you can figure out that not all
who were identified as having been in the household definitely had contact. we end with a question in the room. >> i had a question about the seven health-care care workers with high risk. are they being quarantined in the same fashion? are they being required to stay in their home? is their law enforcement presence and what about their interaction with family members? >> the only think we need to ensure with contacts is that temperature is measured every day. only recent texas took the step that it did with those for individuals is they could not ensure that their temperatures would be measured every day. .here would be no risk
in terms of the health care workers it is up to the hospital, what to do, and how to do that. >> i can add some detail. the individuals have been contacted. the hospital has allowed him to stay home. they are not interacting with any patients. we had no difficulty monitoring >> in their current situation. >> in closing i would say thank you to the members of the media in helping to get out the accurate information about how this disease is spread and what people should be concerned about and what they should not be
concerned about. it is very important we follow the science and do not overreact the situation. >> anything to add a? cdc.want to thank the it is important we get information out and accurate information out related to the real less -- real risk. your partnership is important. members, our thoughts and prayers are with you. thank you. >> thank you to the team in texas. the bottom line is we are stopping ebola in its tracks. we are working to increase the for any tracking
possible cases so if other patients come in they can be promptly isolated. we don't have to deal with it in the coming years. thank you. >> one thing we forgot to say or letnot sure we said, please everyone that is being monitored and know that our faith --munity across ideologies our faith community is making today a day of prayer for you in their houses of worship. you are in the thoughts and prayers of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people today. >> thank you very much. >> the cdc briefing on the ebola but -- ebola outbreak is wrapping up.
you can also look forward to later today right here on c-span. >> monday night on the communicators, jeremy grant, whose agency promotes more internet security, talks about ways to increase data protection with alternatives to passwords and data security. >> the government is not looking to endorse any particular solution but rather described the high attributes. they have to be privacy enhancing, they have to be interoperable. guidepost. a look at the pilots we had. we have some looking at smartphone-based apps, which will be used in lieu of a password. they are testing different types of biometrics, fingerprints, face and voice recognition.
not everyone of these is going to be the solution or the solution for everything but the kind of solutions we are testing out. c-span two.ght on >> a look at some of the most recent debates from around the country as part of the campaign 2014 coverage. a debate in montana between democrat john lewis and republican ryan sankey, who are running for the only seat in the house of representatives. is followed by the governor's race in connecticut. >> education, health care, and energy policy were topics covered in the debate between john lewis and ryan sankey. the two candidates in montana's congressional race. anve daines is running for open seat in the u.s. senate. this is courtesy of the montana television network. it is an hour.
>> the montana television network, campaign 2014. the house debate. made possible thanks to support from the greater montana foundation, founded by montana broadcasting. supporting communications on issues, trends, and values of importance to montanans. >> debate night here. we thank you for tuning in. i will be moderating tonight's debate. ryan zinke and john lewis re: this is a big week for this campaign. they may for a radio debate earlier this week. we would like to welcome our audience statewide. we are coming to you statewide on montana pbs stations. we are going nationwide on c-span. wherever our viewers are tuning
and we welcome you. a few ground rules to go over. no opening statements tonight. the candidates will be answering questions from our panelists. we will give them 60 seconds from those answers. they will have two minutes for a closing statement. then we will take a one minute break midway through. quick ground rules. we are here from bozeman with a small group of campaign friends on both sides of the aisle. we are asking everyone to hold applause until the end. we are not one answer cell phones during this debate. let's do our first introduction for a republican nominee, ryan zinke. he is a third-generation montanan, a standout athlete at whitefish high school. he was a standout in several sports. he went to the university of oregon. he has had a 23 year career with the military in the u.s. navy in 2008 he was elected to the montana state senate where he
chaired the senate education committee. a couple of years ago he ran for lieutenant governor. he is the ceo of a consultant firm that specializes in aerospace and oil and gas. he and his wife have three children. welcome. >> great to be here. >> we welcome john lewis, a fourth-generation montanan. he was a magic city boy. most recently he served for senator max baucus. he supervised a staff of 20.
he has in a degree of political science. his achievements are helping veterans and cutting bureaucratic red tape following floods in montana. it is my pleasure to introduce you to our panel will be asking our candidate questions. we will, donna kelley on this end of our panel. she is from kbaz television. she wanted me to tell you she had several overtures to work for fox during those years. she started her career many decades ago at a small television station. good to see you tonight. jill allee from kt eax television. she is a six-time montana
broadcaster of the year. good to see you. next my co-anchor, janel slade a two-time montana broadcaster of the year. she spent a few years on the dark side in communications and public relations. we welcome her back a couple of years ago. that is all panel tonight. i get the first question. we have one hour. john lewis, we flipped coins. you get the first question. as we speak, congress has an 8% approval rating. the calling card of congress is partisan gridlock. this is a do-nothing congress prayed why do you want to join this esteemed group? what do you bring to the table to change this culture that has our country stuck on hold? >> thank you.
i want to thank montana new stations for hosting this debate. when i first got in this race i gave a speech, one of the earliest events i did, and i talk about my past experiences and things i learned while working on legislation while trying to help veterans. experiences i had fighting for montanans. someone said i respect your past experiences but i am interested in the future. ideas you have to get congress working for montana. how you are going to be part of the solution. we have run a campaign on montana ideas. we have released plans for accor culture. for energy prefer public land.
that is what i want to see congress do. work on solutions to move montana forward. congress has a 9% approval rating. i read that cockroaches and root canals have a higher standing. i am a concerned father. i have two young kids. i'm concerned about their future. i want to see congress work together again on solutions. >> wine? you still want this job? >> the 21st century will be the american century. we are going to have to earn it. there is a saying you have to win every single day. we have to relearn how to earn our liberty and have an economy where we have jobs and obtained the american dream. it is about the american dream and families. our nation struggles. no one trusts the government, congress, the administration. we have to restore trust and make sure our economy is prosperous and today's debate will highlight different
contrast between candidates and the choice will be clear. >> mr. lewis, any rebuttal? >> like i said i have focused this campaign on the future. ideas on the future. so far in the campaign i have heard very little about ideas. i have heard about what he was doing in 1988. this race is not about what we were doing in 1988. i heard he loves america. we all love america. and montana. i look forward to hearing his ideas about how we are going to strengthen public lands in this country great if you want to see obama care, what is your plan for ensuring americans that don't have insurance in this country, including the 107,000 montanans? that is what i look forward to hearing tonight. >> let's talk about the debt. your plan about selling used
cars and abandoned buildings and cutting congressional pay is a joke. it is not even around. if we want to get serious about america restoring america we have to address the debt. i think balancing the budget in 10 years is attainable. there is a lot i don't agree with. we can do it without challenging and laminating medicare. we can do without cutting social security. i think we can do without cutting education. i think we can work together. democrats, republicans, independents, two car got a better future. everyone knows we are in trouble. are we going to ignore the