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lot of republican senators will suffer. there isn't a party incentive to done because they have so many people up in the next election. >> and both sides have an getting something done. the republicans in remaking their own image but also the the way in which they handled the united states senate. basically shut down. yes, there were filibusters but there was a denial of offering amendments. already in fact, they were only allowed to vote on 11 amendments over a year. the amendments are the bridge towards consensus. if you cannot offer amendments, you cannot reach a compromise on any legislative initiative. they were all about messaging and not about solving the problem. that is what is fundamentally is what mitchthat mcconnell wants to return to. the opening day in both the house and senate will be critical in terms of the message sent, the roles that are adopted, we have come up with a
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number of recommendations in that regard on how to institutionally change, a lot of which dovetails with senator mcconnell's proposal. it will be crucial because if you don't have a process, you cannot move legislation forward, and that is what has been absent for too long on so many of the issues that the american people care about. if either side becomes obstructionist, they face peril in 2016. that window is very limited in which they can function. successfully and effectively and it is true for the president in his own legacyng in the final two years. there is a lot of interest on a effectivesis to be and not to be viewed as obstructionist. >> don't think that the public's blood lust for throwing people out of office was satisfied with the 2014 election. if congress can't function there are are a lot of people who will in 2016.uble
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really it is in both parties' interest to get some agreement the republicans' interest because they have an awful lot of their people up in in 2016.e >> we have to end it there. we are out of time. i want to thank the panelists for joining us this morning. i'm sorry we didn't get to everyone's questions. you. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute] >> now a discussion on president obama the incoming republican dividednd how a government can function. this is from today's washington journal. >> our topic can divided work?ment james coming out with a new book in march titled? >> american gridlock. about polarization here and throughout america. me share with you an
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article from the outlook section post. washington a pair phrase from the party of what.a party of now one of the points they make in the piece is that speaker boehner and senator mcconnell challenge with fringes within the caucus. themifficult is that for to govern within the g.o.p.? theyey had problems before were in the majority and now have to show how they can govern. attacked mcconnell for compromise. with theers have to be caucus and bring people together and it will be hard. onmay be a civil war going for awhile with the far right and those who want to get something done. >> does that help senator mcconnell, though, to have something he can refer to to say are he is out there but we trying to work with the main stay g.o.p.? >> what helped him was that a
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whole lot of republican senators got elected so he can sort of marginalize some people maybe as he goes forward because all of people are pretty mainline poem. i inserted himself to make sure the tea party people didn't win in the primaries, ones that would have a tu time in the again -- tough time in the general. i think that he has the chair important.hat is and he has the main caucus with him. but he will have a lot of criticism from cruz and craig and others. >> the other story this morning, book titled "the strange." you worked with senator obama on issues on capitol hill. is this an apropos title for a book on the president? a strange to -- i think he is a strange to some institutions in washington. i am going toaid change the way washington works. he hasn't. with the houseed and the senate. i don't think he is a staker to hillself. thesis -- i don't
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think he is a stranger to himself. from washington. he brought a lot of people from chicago into the white house at the beginning and had a lot of changes in the white house but he still doesn't trust washington. lobbyists in washington, even though he needs them to care act butrdable also the people on the hill. he doesn't engage with the leaders very much. he has the symbolic breakfasts and things like this but then disengages. he has to engage. he has to realize that he no has a mandate, that the republicans have a mandate and compromise and work with them. >> if you were in the room after the cameras left, the president luncheon with congressional leaders on friday and this was the moment that was as the president spoke briefly with reporters. huisache of staff is behind him. one side by speaker boehner and the other side by senator
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mcconnell. off camera, what do you think room?namics were in the >> first of all, podesta is it looksbe leaving like because he wants out. some what dysfunctional in the white house right now. dynamics were that boy, we have got to stand tough on immigration. if they do, it will be like a red flag in front of the as mcconnell has said. he has to compromise on that and hard on using executive order. now, if he backs off a little he has got all kinds of unions and other people that are to doto be pushing him something. he is in a tough place. he doesn't like that. that.they talked about i'm sure they talked about how to limit the damage that will be the affordable care act. one thing that the the do is veto wasn't to the tax, get rid of the tax on devices.
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he might go along with that. another thing they probably the keystonewas pipeline. he might go along with ha. areas where they can reach some accommodation. it will irritate the base of the party but after all this is the last two years. he is a lame duck. cooked duck yet but he is a lame duck. thehe during the lame duck last two periods he can compromise a little bit more. but the companies have to do that, too. boehner has to deliver. and he h has some new people in the house of representatives nontea party people, i think he easier job now as a result of this election. >> talk about the institution particular.te in i wanted to let you listen in to what senator mitch mcconnell wednesday in louisville and how he wants to see changes theow the senate works from stat in the last -- the senate in the last few years basically anything.
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we don't even vote. begich had the handicap of trying to explain to the people of alaska why in six hadn't had a role call vote on the floor on an amendment. i need to do is to get the in the back to normal and that means working more. don't think we have had any votes on friday in anybody's memory. means opening the senate up so that amendments are permitted both sides. and it means occasionally burning the midnight oil in a conclusion. i can remember the way we used finished was for the majority leader to announce on monday we are taking up a particular bill and we were going to finish it. changes for the c-span2 viewers. regular order, will it mean real change? >> regular order is what our learned on sesame
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street is that you introduce a bill and goes to the committee committee considers it and goes from there to the house to the rules commitee to the floor of the house and senate from the subcommittee, full committee to the floor and you debate andration and you have votes. you don't go directly from the leaders' office in the house to the rules committee to the floor or you don't just sit there and kill things by threat of filibuster. leaders want to go back to the regular order. they say that. and in fact, mcconnell said he willing to get rid of the nuclear option two month a's go. is not a lot of talk about that which would mean that we would go back to being able to filibuster nominations. he also wants to get rid of the tuesday-thursday club. didn't say it, but people work here tuesday wednesday and thursday and then fly back to for a fundraiser the day after an election sometimes they come back on the
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redeye monday night and try to work tuesday wednesday and thursday. in the last 20 years said we are going to get tuesday-thursday club. democrats and republicans. good luck. because people can buck with are not heref they they don't have a quorum they can't do the work. i hope he does this. he is a person that grew up in the senate as a staff member. be like what it used to and it used to be more deliberative, more open to amendments. also, people worked very hard hours. not 9:00 to 5:00 but very long hours and every day of the week the weekends. i hope that he turns it around. i doubt it. >> we will get to your calls in moment. the numbers will continue to be on the bottom of the screen and share your comments on our or send us a tweet. the other part of the dynamics amy par up by i'ml
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comments basically dissing the president saying he is at 40% approval rate and need to to giveyou need to do and some insight because the hill newspaper points out that the have beenever would give tonight post had harry reid off ton.d he is critical of the president obviously. now the majority leader approved it. obviously there is a split between the president and the to doty leader on what and what strategies should be taken. was remarkable. described the president as a drag on democratic presidents across the country and charged
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kept thewhite house democrats from tapping some of the most loyal derns. was the political equivalent of the upper cut that senator reid might have delivered during his boxing career. a great quote. yes, he was a boxer and it was terrible. the people that reid is working with didn't want to have there indent campaign for him. it was a careful orchestration of going for the money and going to the places where you are popular but don't go to the other places because he is so unpopular. 43%, 30% support for the president in kentucky. it was a real drag. host: our guest is james thurber. and the director for the center of congressional and presidential studies. on the republican line. >> good morning.
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thurber made a statement talking about the rights when he initially started speaking. he was referring to the tea party. about the progressive party? nobody ever talks about them. from the congress the y webpages, progressives are socialists and nobody ever talks about them. like to hear somebody -- nobody ever does. in my book do called "the american good luck". i talk about -- "the american gridlock". the blue dogs are gone on the
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left. who has replaced them are a fairly pure party on the left. is a bimodal ave distribution, nobody in the middle. the endangered species are moderate republicans, but also moderate democrats. we have gone from 58 blue dogs 2008 to about six, if they're willing to say it. that is totally republican except for african-americans that represent districts in the south. it is totally realized in the also , but it is realigned in america. we have this ideological purity on the left and the right. i would not call the democrat there's a whole discussion on what a socialist is -- but certainly they believe that the intervention by government is okay in terms of health care and education and other things. but that is not the pure definition of socialism.
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>> one of the more liberal senators, elizabeth warren, has a piece this morning in section of washington post. work on me to america's agenda. we're joined on the line from new york. good morning. >> good morning, thank you for taking my call. you anted to comment that saying about the president -- congresses it down into 9% or something like that. so i think people fail to realize. >> well, yes, congress has from single digits -- in those asked if they are doing a good or outstanding job -- to about 50% in the last two years. met one of the --
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but it is the members on a hill saying they are doing an outstanding job. america has had it with this gridlock, they have had it way the institution works, and congress is always lower than the president. just before 9/11, president bush was in the 40's. 9/11 occurred any shot up to 91% in five days. was in the 30's and 60% and they shot up to in the polls. what the president is doing affects congress. congress is always lower in terms of the public evaluation. >> bill joins us from inglewood, california. >> good morning to you. i want to strain of a little of this immigration deal. being a black person, the worst thing that has ever
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happened to us was all of these immigrants coming in from mexico. we were saying this over and over and over and over again. nobody would listen. the first immigration deal they had, we knew that was not going to work. anything n't have worth it -- employers, the one that is hiring these people. get this never straightened out as long as you are hiring them. stop this want to illegal immigration, make sure it is like every other industrial country does. people ure that these are not hiring illegal people -- you will be surprised they won't come because as and overstay come their visa, whatever, they will keep coming. it will just get larger and and this is all
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to beat down black people.
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it is a matter of controlling order. you had a program this spring with the person came into the irs showing that there are
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literally tens of thousands of employees in single corporations where the numbers don't match that say one corporation and a .oy is 37,000 employees 37,000 47,000. later,ill made the point should these businesses start hiring? what exit is a matter prosecuting criminal misconduct. i am saying that we are controlled by the percent operations, the big donors, where the fear of citizens united unites a lot of people who understand that this is absolutely turning over our control of government to the hands of the very few.
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guest: this is $4 billion that came from outside groups. we do have divided party government, meaning there's a different party in the house in the senate and the presidency. that's what the term means. the thesis of the callers that it is controlled by can -- controlled by business interests in the end anyway. business does fight with each other. many people in business would like to have an immigration bill for pathway to citizenship to change visas so that they can keep the well-educated people here in the i.t. industry. we have had, 56% of the time the divided party government since 1901. we have had 42% divided party government.
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for example, when we had unified government under obama he had a 96 percent presidential sports rate. it dropped to the 30's. same thing happened to clinton in 1994. he went from 86% down to 30's. the point is that when we have divided our the government we cannot get a lot done unless both sides are willing to reach out and compromise with new and clinton did after we shut down government. we came together and he brought his presidential sports score. the high 50s. read the election, try to reach out and work with them. >> that's very different than the flow of money like the mississippi and flood stage into these campaigns. it's obscene and much of it does come from business. >> that's what she's talking
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about. >> you work on capitol hill for among other senators hubert humphrey and bill brock. as you look at the senate, who do you look at those key players who could really bridge the divide between their party and the opposing party to get something done? >> well, first, we should look at mcconnell. mcconnell is the leader. it depends upon how he leads. the senate gets the leader that it wants and some people on the far right don't want him to compromise. they want to threaten to shut down government and they want to get rid of the affordable care act. i think he will be more mad rat even though he is pretty conservative, and he will reach out, try to do the right thing. and believe it or not, mccain who is very critical of the president on foreign policy is a guy who is willing to work with the other side. he's a person to look for leadership. you know, hubert humphrey when i worked for him, i asked him one time, i said why aren't there more statesmen around him? and we looked back. dirksen and humphrey were
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statesmen. he said a statesman is a dead politician. so when they leave office, they are dead. when they die are, they are dead. so they don't look like statesmen now, but i think they will reach out and try to work together, and i think we have got to look at both leaders. you know, boehner is pretty moderate guy in his background. he got in trouble for it in the past. i think he will bring people together. we will see more compromise than you realize. >> this is speculation but do you think this is the final term for mitch mccog? do you think harry reid will run in 016 and you mentioned senator mcca mccain. will he leave when his term expires in four years? >> i do not have inside information on all of that. i think mcconnell will probably try to stay around if he's in the majority, but remember, there are 24 republican senators up in 2016. >> that's half the caucus. and if they do poorly in 2016 and he is in the minority again, he may not run. senator reid, i think will stay here for a while.
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there are poerz who would like his job. alan for professor james thurber here in washington, d.c. >> how are you doing? >> fine, thank you caller: why do you characterize ted and demean ted cruz as on the fringe? >> guest: one way to look at it is to look at statistically -- it's a little boring but we can show where people vote on an ideological con tin uum and he votes on the far right consistently and he never has a common vote with the -- with the democrats. he's come out one day before the election attacking mcconnell for being too moderate. and he has statements just in the last couple of days saying that we should threaten to shut down government. >> that's not moderation. >> that's somebody on the far right. >> alan, do you want to follow
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up? caller: yes. i have two more points. follow up with this and another question. he is a constitutionalist. do you consider constitutionalists on the fringe? >> no. it depends upon the individual. we have a constitution that sets up a framework where people have to get along and compromise and work together, and he doesn't seem like a guy who really wants to work together. he seems like a guy who is running for the presidency that's trying to make a stand that appeals to the tea party. the tea party is pretty far to the right on a whole lot of issues, domestic issues, leaving aside the question of whether they are constitutionalists or not, they would like to get rid of a whole lot of things that the government is doing. >> that's considered conservative. >> that's considered out of the main line and that's why i mention that. host: do you want to follow up with a third point? caller: yes. why do you give democrats a pass and not the pure socialists?
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there are -- there are wages and income and they abhor economic signism and private industry. you cannot give them a pass on that. how do you do that host: okay. >> guest: well, the redistribution of wealth is coming from our primary entitlement programs which are from the aged, social security, medicare and medicaid. half of it goes to people who are retired, mainly single women, and for over 60 years, we feel felt this to do. one way to judge government is the way it treats the sick, the elderly and those who cannot help themselves. i don't see the democrats pushing for a major redistribution of income at this point. many are very close to business. clinton was, and he put in
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policies to be more friendly to business. maybe you don't like that but this is what he did. >> mr. thurber, well done on bomb-throwing extreme right-winger ted joe mccarthy cruz. is that analogy fair? >> i don't think it's fair. joe mccarthy was a person going after individuals in government that he felt were associated with communism. he mistreated a whole lot of people in due process. he ruined people's lives. he's been repudiated for the way he attacked people. so cruz doesn't do that. cruz is conservative. he's dynamic. he wants to run for the presidency. he's out there on the campaign trail helping people, building up chits so that when he runs -- and he is running now -- he will have the support. now, mccarthy didn't do that. >> he wielliott from mayorriott
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georgia, democrats line. caller: good pony, sir. i wanted do make a couple of points. one point is about immigration. i ha happen to be an immigrant from senegal and have a lot of friends who are illegal, but the thing people don't realize is that once you allow illegal immigrants to get their paperwork, what's going to happen is that they are going to be taking the $60 job anymore. they will ask about a regular wage like anybody else. so 11 markos moulitsasl million people are going to stay. how about letting them come out, participate in the economy, work like anybody else and ask about living wages host: how long have you been in the u.s.
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caller: i have been here for 15 years now. host: thank very much for the call. >> guest: there is no doubt and there is evidence that undocumented workers in the united states are discriminated against by business people but most businesses pay them the going wage, minimum wage. i am from oregon. okay? when i grew up in oregon, there were immigrants them then working in the fields, the farmers absolutely need them then and they need them now and they pay them the prevailing wage for that and treat them the way they treat other workers. now, there is lots of exceptions, and he's referring to these exceptions. the question is: how do you set up a situation to send people who are fell options, very few are fell options, back to their countries out of the united states and how do you have a pathway so that they can be documented and citizens in a reasonable way over a long period of time and, therefore, be treated the way citizens are? >> the debate.
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security versus the freedom of these individuals to be americans. it is a tough one. i think we will see process. >> cruz, rubio, portman, rand paul, all potential 2016 candidates. how does that affect senator mcconnell's role in trying to harness support within his own caucus? >> the senate is an incubator of people who want to run for the presidency they look at the president and 13s i am smarter than him. i can do it. it's a tough place to run. i think we will see governs have a better chance or unemployed governors like jeb bush have amount of time but it's hard to control people in the senate that have this ambition for the next office, and that's what he is going to have. they are going to be speaking to a national audience rather than getting behind closed doors and
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legislating. mccain will be an inside legisla legislator, a guy who works hard. there are a bunch of people like that. but there are four or five people that are going to be thinking, jeez, i can be president. i am going to make some statements and it's going to be hard to get things done with those people host: next fromwic. good morning, keith. caller: good morning. another beautiful day in america since tuesday's results of the election with the republicans taking over the senate. it's the fact that the best governor in the last was re-elected in scott walker who has won for a third time in four years. my comment is that, of course, divided government can work. we have seen it with tip o'neill and ronald reagan working together, but now, we have a pure i'd log in the office who it didn't take notice of the result after 2010. was re-elected in 2012 but now, after seeing his post-election conference, he is not going to give in to working with the
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republicans after this election. we have seen a previous caller call in and talk about the low approval rating of congress. when you realize that republicans have passed over 300 bi-partisan bills that have been sitting on senate majority harry reid's desk and not giving a pass, we will see that cities pate with the mitch mcconnell taking office we will see things get past in the house, in the senate and the true obstructionist barack obama veto most of those bills. hillary read or whoever the democrat is will not get elected. >> is keith cracking? >> yes, about 10 statements. i don't know whether he's accurate on all of them. but let me just comment on a little bit on second-term presidents. en r-- even reagan had this problem.
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16 of them in the history of the united states. there is a little problem with overestimating mandates and had you beenris and failure to adjust to circumstances, a little problem of you still thinking they have a lot of political capitol. richard nixon in 1972, he was lee elected by 61% and then he resigned. r because of impeachment. reagan was hobbled by the iran contra schedule. little got done. george bush in 1990, the george bush 1st didn't get re-elected but pulled through a balanced budget, worked with the other party, increased taxes, read my lips, no new taxes. he did that. got the economy on the right track. bill clinton inherited that and yet clinton in his second term promised to build a bridge to the 21st century and then he was
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impeached for lying under oath about monica lewinski and george w. b bush was re-elected tonal see his rating plummet and difficulty with the hill because of divided party government with scenes of violence in new orleans and baghdad and the financial crisis. obama, i think obama knows how to read the tea leaves from 2010, on, when he lost the house. i personally thing that he will begin to moderate and work with the republicans. i hope that he does. i think he also is very worried about the 3338 pieces of legislation that were passed in the first two years. it's not only the affordable care act, dodd frank, lily ledbetter, lots of important acts. he is going to try to hang on to those for his legacy. >> means there will be confrontations over the
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affordable care act. there will be confrontations over tax reform, but they will find common ground in my opinion in trade, the surface transportation bill and a variety of other things that the house and the senate will agree upon. i think he will go with it. so, i think it's going to be hard for the president. he is go to go have to recalibrate and adjust, but the iranians are going to have to do that, also. i don't think it's all going to be threatened vetos and veto did over the next two years. >> this question, i know, has come up in your class on so many different occasions but do you think if you could go back to the founding fathers and change the way the executive branch was set up and have a single six-year term for the president, would he that effect change? >> one thing would be to have a 4-year term in the house of representatives like a parliamentary system where every four years you elect the president and you have a potential coattails in the house of representatives going up and down with the president, getting him -- giving him enough members
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to governor. one six-year term for the president means he is immediately a lame duck. >> means he gets more degrees of freedom to do what he wants to do. but that doesn't mean that the hill, house and the senate, the other party, will go along with it. they may just stall. our problem in america is everybody is thinking about the next election. everybody today is thinking about 2016, presidential election, senate election. they are using wedge issues to get more votes, meaning things that them don't want to resolve, they are going to use it as a wedge issue against the party next time. senator reed read kept a lot of votes off of the floor because he was afraid it would hurt his members. mcconnell is going to do the same thing. i think they should go forward and govern. >> that's what the american people want. they want them to come together and govern. it's hard because there is nobody in the middle. that's our crisis in our democracy. >> from chicago, jason on the
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phone, independent line. good morning. thanks for waiting. couple call i want to ask a question: is mesh the only country you can come to illegally and not go through the due process and actually fight for your rights, which is not right at all but still get them in return? have a good day. host: a lot of questions on immigration today. guest >> guest: i am not a comparative politics person but other countries have very strict rules about immigrants. german has always had -- not always. post world war ii, they have had issuesimmigration. the eu generally does right now. they have very strict rules about that. what we have in america is we have first amendment rights. we have the right to organize. we have the right to have freedom of speech, assembly, government for grievances. it's relevant here because we have the right for people who are undocumented to organize and
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proce protest without being thrown into jail. that's something to be very proud of many nations w or jeff house talks about nasa's effortsto incorporate into unmanned and future manned missions. as always, we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter.
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