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ies to attract and retain working mothers. as always, your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. "washington journal," is next. >> ladies and gentlemen, if we want to be not only the majority party, we want states like pennsylvania, ohio, michigan and wisconsin, then we have to be the party that if we were a rising tide lifting all boats understanding this, there are millions of americans with holes in their boats. we have to be the party that says we will not just let you try to screw out your boat as the tide rises, but we will be there to help you so that you can sell to the great heights of the american dream. host: former pennsylvania senator rick santorum among the speakers at the south carolina
freedom summit yesterday. he is expected to be the seventh republican to officially enter the 2016 presidential race. it is sunday morning, may 10. a very happy mother's day. both the house and senate are in session this week. the president spending his week in washington, including his presentation on tuesday in a georgetown university sponsored function on poverty of america. he is also meeting with the king of saudi arabia, that is scheduled for thursday. we will begin this morning with highlights from the citizens united forum live in greenville, south carolina. the full event is on our website, c-span.org. as the race begins to take shape, what do you think the republican message will be to voters? how do you think democrats will respond. lines are open. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. if you are republican, we want to hear from you, that line is
(202) 748-8001. we also have a line for independents. join in on the conversation on our facebook page, or send us a tweet at @cspanwj. we will be focusing on a lot of issues, including presidential politics. the headline from the greenville online news, what a day! this from their website those in greenville said they will set the nation on a more conservative course with about 2000 activists attending. the event to a at the peace center in downtown greenville.
the picture on the front page of the newspaper is marco rubio and governor scott walker, who is expected to announce this spring. here is governor walker. [video clip] gov. walker: we need leadership when it comes to reform. this president and hillary clinton judge the measure of success of government on how many people depend on it. we measure success on just the opposite, by how many people are no longer dependent on the government. [applause] to say we understand an america where freedom and prosperity do not come from the mighty hand of the government. they come from empowering people to list their own lives and destinies to the dignity that is
born of work. host: governor scott walker yesterday. (202) 748-8001 is our line for republicans. the gop message in 2016, what is that message deco we also have a line for democrats and independents. the headline from "new york times" -- republican hopefuls push a muscular foreign policy. we will begin with nick joining us from tennessee, independent line. good morning. caller: look, the republican message is twofold. it is split. the tea party is gaining. you have what i call the passive aggressives, the democrats.
you hae jeb bush's, who are for big government, but not bigger than the democrats. you have the tea party group who is for a smaller government, and for freedom and justice, true freedom and justice, not the mob mentality of big government. host: thanks for a much for the call. getting your calls and comments also on facebook at facebook.com/cspan. brenda is joining is next democrats line, houston, texas. good morning. caller: good morning, steve. thanks for taking my call. boy, am i looking forward to the high school job out, -- high school dropout, scott walker governor of wisconsin, to get into the race. until then, i'm getting the message that they want to
continue to divide the country. destroy security. take away from the poor, and give to the rich. and it goes on it, and on, and on. thanks for taking my call, steve. host: brenda, thank you. steve harris has this on our facebook page, the gop is trying to make its message one of inclusion, but in reality will -- from bloomberg politics, the commander in chief test for scott walker and rivals. his closest rival, florida governor jeb bush has stumbled. the full event from yesterday's of that, available on her website, c-span.org. senator ted cruz, one of two
texas senators and the race, along with former governor rick perry. [video clip] se.n. cruz: i challenge you to ask those who stand in front of you who claim to stand for principles, show me. what have you accomplished? [applause] if you say you oppose obama care when have you stood up and fought to stop it? [applause] if you say you oppose president obama's unconstitutional executive amnesty, when have you stood up to stop it? [applause] if you say you support the first amendment, where were you in indiana? [applause] if you say you support the
second amendment, where were you when harry reid and the president were coming after our gun rights? [applause] host: center ted cruz yesterday in greenville, south carolina. edwin has this point on our twitter page, as far as i can see, there are two messages, smaller government and more power to big businesses. dan from illinois. good morning. caller: scott walker is getting ready to have the koch brothers spent $900 million for his presidential election, and all the republican candidates are for privatizing the voa. what will we do with all of these veterans that we have now from the war on terrorism? why don't they put that money in a trust fund? it will be a massive amount of money to take care of these veterans. host: this morning, the front page of "the new york times" is an extensive story on a key donor and long-term friend of marco rubio.
the photograph here of norman bremen, a miami businessman, as he gives the thumbs up sign as marco rubio announced his bid for the presidency. a look at the long time connection between the two florida residents. christopher is joining us from olympia, washington. caller: hi, i am a nonpartisan utility commissioner. i'm just calling into as people to concentrate on the domestic agenda, and what republican candidates, democratic candidates will do about our infrastructure problem in this country, which i think is very serious and needs to be addressed. just calling to see if there are people even emphasizing this issue? it is important to the whole country. i hope that people will address it, or think about it.
i think is an important thing and as a utility commissioner, i can tell you, my job is a nonpartisan job. i can tell you, it is basically something that all candidates need to address from either party. host: thank you for the call. if you're just tuning in or listening on c-span radio, we are asking about the gop message in 2016, following the speech is es yesterday in greenville south carolina. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. marco rubio yesterday at the freedom summit. [video clip] marco rubio: have you seen the movie "taken"? he has a line and it says that our strategy will be -- we will find you and we will kill you. host: marco rubio talking tough yesterday at the freedom summit.
good morning. caller: good morning, steve. i just have a comment that my governor, scott walker, has been elected three times in four years. he is the only governor to ever survive a recall because he is doing exactly what he said he would do. i saw him when he was an executive in the county right next to mine, a mostly democrat county. the man has won six straight elections. because of one thing, he does what he says he will do. his message -- the state is moving in the right direction, that is why he keeps getting elected. he would do wonders for the country. he was say he has no foreign policy experience, i would say president obama spent most of his first term running for president, he had no
international experience. governor scott walker can do what it takes to fix this country, get us back to where our allies respect us, and our adversaries fear us. host: can he get the nomination? caller: i believe you can. the man's message resonates throughout the country. jimmy carter gave us ronald reagan. obama will give a scott walker. host: ok. thank you very much for being with us. again, the republican message in 2016, what is it? what about the democrats? this is a headline this morning from "l.a. times," the latino vote may hold the key for 2016. [video clip] hillary clinton: i will fight for competence and immigration reform and a path for citizenship for you and your families across the country. i will fight to stop partisan
attacks on the executive action that would put dreamers, including those with us today at risk for deportation. and, if congress continues to refuse to act, as president, i would do everything possible under the law to go even further. there are more people, like many parents of dreamers and others with deep ties and contributions to our communities, who deserve a chance to stay. i will fight for them. host: the comments of former secretary of state and the first of two democrats in the 2016 race. of course, bernie sanders is the other. we expect to hear from martin o'malley, whether or not he will enter the race, the former mayor of baltimore and former governor of maryland. this is the headline from "the washington post. jeb bush delivered the
commencement yesterday at liberty university. this comment from robert, marriage is between a man and a woman, that's a winner. our next caller, good morning to you. caller: hello, this is steve from chicago. the republican message will be -- they will use the southern strategy again, just like reagan, nixon, and bush partially. they will use the st southern strategy, that is how they got into the office, claiming blacks, never taking responsibility. they never take responsibility for their actions. they always blame blacks for everything. look at what is happening with the police. that is part of the southern strategy. host: we will go next to peter from chevy chase, maryland. good morning, peter.
caller: i am concerned -- i tend to support smaller, more efficient government but the republicans to some extent, and the tea party folks come out with the statement that they want to get rid of things. they are not specific about how they will do that, about how they will decide what to get rid of. when you get rid of things, you make yourself a lightning rod for everyone who profited for the things -- profited from the things. why not instead describe processes and standards, and so on, that you will use to evaluate programs. host: ok. thank you very much for the
call from maryland. a viewers saying, you need to be more than anti-obama and anti-clinton to win in 2016. joining in on the conversation on our twitter page, @cspanwj. next is roger from florida. good morning to you. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i voted for marco rubio, but he did not do very well yesterday. host: why is that? caller: ted cruz was incredible, as well as donald trump. the pollsters in the british election proved that they were wrong. i think it is important to not put too much weight on what the pollsters are going to say. they are not giving a true reflection of what public sentiment is. ted cruz is definitely going to be able to have the best shot at debating hillary clinton, if she
is the nominee. even if she is not the nominee ted cruz is the best shot we have to articulate a vision for the future, bring the hispanic vote, and debate the next nominee. thank you very much. host: a couple stories in the senate newspapers including a senator who sent the last week and a half in britain. the polls indicated that it would be a very close race but this headline shows that voters shattered pre-election assumptions. david cameron has secured another five years as the leader of britain. some republicans think that cameron and his victory prove that if the democrats wish for people like elizabeth warren and move the party to the left, the gop would have a major opening in 2016. candace is joining us from odessa, texas.
good morning. caller: yes, my name is candace jackson. i like the democrat party with a little bit of an dependent help. i think the republicans just want to get richer, while the poor people get poor. host: when you set a little bit of independent help, what you mean by that? caller: i like democrats and independents having a small voice and what is going on. i think the republicans just want to get richer and richer while the other people get poorer and poorer. i like the democrats with a little independent voice. host: candace from odessa texas. we will go next to james joining us from tennessee, also on the independent line. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: listening to walker
yesterday, he said something about superheroes. i guess he would think that he would be one. i'm sure blacks would not call him a superhero either. host: bill king has this point. the 2016 gop message is this, government out of your life, unless you are a minority, gay or a woman, and they will control your life. "politico" writing about jeb bush jeb courts evangelicals and liberty university address. the former governor's, rights
politico made his pitch at liberty university in lynchburg virginia, that has become a routine campaign stop for republican hopefuls. here is more from the speech that we covered yesterday. [video clip] jeb bush: to confuse point of theology -- this confusion is part of a false narrative that casts americans as running around trying to impose their views on everyone. the storyline is getting familiar. the progressive agenda is ready for his next leap forward.
religious people and churches are getting in the way. our friends on the left like to view themselves as the agents of change and reform, and we are supposed to get with the progra m. dogmas can be hard to keep up with. we find officials in a major city demanding the pastors turned over copies of their sermons, or federal judges mistaking themselves for elected legislators and imposing restricting rights that do not exist in the constitution. or an agency dictating to a catholic charity the little sisters of the poor what has to go in the health plan. nevermind objections of conscious. i don't know about you, but i'm betting that when it comes to doing the right and good thing the little sisters of the poor no better than the regulators at the department of health and human services. host: by the way, we are
covering a number of commencement services. you can check our schedule online at c-span.org. "the new york times" reporting on republican legislators around the country, making a harder to get abortions by passing flurry of bills. you can see the map, courtesy of the new york times. this tweet from one of our viewers saying progressivism is on the run, their policies are failures, everyone can see this now. we are being joined by someone on the republican line caller:. good morning. a denim and i have not heard on your program this morning, who is not only a businessman, being able to negotiate internationally, nationally, and
who has been in the military. who had a high honor at one of our major military academies. after serving in the service, he is not mentioned. he has the ability to negotiate with different races, creeds colors, and he does very successfully. he is not a movie star. though, people look at him somewhat that way. i'm talking about donald trump. i would like to see him have an opportunity. i think he would speak for the people of the united states, and hopefully he has a chance, at least on your program, to present himself, as he did last night. thank you. host: thank you very much. by the way, in his speech yesterday, he did say that he expects to make an announcement soon, indicating that he too will enter the presence of race.
"yahoo! news" has carly fiorina front and center on their website after yesterday's event. we are being joined by a caller from fort lauderdale, florida. as we look at the republican message in 2016, what do you think it will be? caller: i mean, after following the republicans as long as i have and watching them, i don't think their message will be that much different. they want to go to war, they want to cut all programs that help the little people here, and they want to send thousands of dollars to other countries building malls schools, and everything else over there, and they do not want to do anything here in reference to helping the small man. look at baltimore.
ms. fiorina thinks because she is the republican on the -- the woman on the republican side, she will attack hillary clinton. i don't think anyone will put her as the nominee. and marco rubio? it won't happen. they think just because they put a hispanic to run, we will all fall in line and vote for rubio. we will not vote for rubio, i'm sorry. host: this from our twitter page, i do not want my president preaching to me about religion. speaking of the president in south dakota, his approval ratings are hovering around 70%. whoever did not stop citizens from the states fifth-largest city to wait outside as the presence of motorcade made its way across south dakota, even in hostile territory, a
presidential visit draws crowds as the president went to south dakota to deliver a commencement address. free lemonade for the secret service -- misthis is significant because it marks the 50th state that the president has visited since taking office. good morning. caller: i was listening to the people calling and saying that the republicans do not want to help the little people and such. if you look at the democrats such as hillary clinton, who have done nothing to line their pockets, millions of millions probably billions of dollars -- really and truly, they are not helping any little people. they are stepping over the little people and keeping them down by telling them they need
these incentive programs and all these entitlements and things like that. it is crazy. it is just crazy. people need to look at what is going on. we are losing our country and it is because people want to have something for nothing and they're looking for government to take care of them. host: thank you for the call. crime and politics -- the story inside "time magazine." the scene last week in baltimore and west baltimore, which was the scene of so many demonstrations following the rest of those six police officers. as the investigation continues now led in part by the justice department. from dana responding to the earlier caller on donald trump -- donald trump was awful, and that is being kind, and he is not a conservative.
hillary clinton has agreed to testify before the benghazi committee this month, but do not expect republicans to be satisfied with her appearance. they have now spent a full year investigating the 2012 terrorist attacks on libya, including whether any of these secretary of state's actions contributed to the incident. congressman trey gowdy republican south carolina, the chair of the select many, signaling that he is prepared to drive out his investigation well into 2015, if clinton and the obama administration continue to stonewall his requests for documents and answers. "the weekly standard" has a character to -- a caricature of hillary clinton. good morning. caller: your question was what was the key message be in 2016.
it will more than likely be the same message that they have continued to use for the last 20 years. it will be the selling of the big lie that everything that is liberal or democratic, whatever it is, is so terrible. it is a big lead because if you look at what the republicans have done since they took over in the senate, and under bush you realize that most of what the republican said that they stand for and believe in is flawed. it doesn't work. they have to continue to sell this big lie because they cannot even it knowledge themselves and their flawed philosophy. i used to have some respect for republicans, but they have lost their ability to be objective. i am a democrat, i do not hate
them, but it is disturbing that you can't realize what is wrong with the things you believe in and correct them. that is a big problem. they have to sell this big lie. host: thank you very much for the call. edward has this has any member of the gop gone to baltimore ferguson? on facebook, a lot of you weighing in. you can join in on the conversation at facebook.com/cspan. dr. access, they seem to be sending preachers, not politicians. keith says, we only say we oppose obama, but not really, we only want our turn at the money. christian says, as the billionaires that control them. timmy says, i'm still waiting to hear the 2012 message. good morning, welcome to the program. caller: i just called to stay a
couple of points. a few points us to what the gop or any party in this country needs to have as op a position. i hear party site about immigration reform, which should have been done decades ago, when i was a young man, trying to make a living in this country, which was not easy. improper practices of following the law cost me dearly, and most of the people i know. we are not harsh cruel, or stingy people. we will give until we are done but we will not let anyone take anything. that is what has been happening with the connivance of a whole bunch of friends across the aisle. i'm not sure that there are two or three parties in this country. maybe it is just kind of like a tagteam thing where they are
playing keep away from us. it needs the stock. america is on the brink of conflagration. we would do better with a little child leading us. we need to all think about the fact that we need to vote, we need to make our voices felt, not be represented. one man, one vote. it is far too expensive, it has cost us our country and our lives almost a not have that. i'm sitting here in washington state, looking at miracle -- medical marijuana laws. i am a patient. we voted to pass it, and a made it -- they made it where it is not workable for people. there is a they -- they are politicians. they're mostly not in touch with what is right for the people in the country, but what is right for the contributors, their cronies, their family members. host: tim up early and
washington. thank you for the call. this tweet from western pennsylvania. our next governor is former pennsylvania governor, tom ridge. he will be with us in about 15 minutes. this from "the new york times" -- ipo the dwindling court proves costly for labour party in britain. ed miliband is one of three leaders to leave and aftermath
of david cameron winning. good morning. caller: the policies that republicans have -- they are against prenatal care for mothers, grandmothers about the have babies. they are against feeding senior citizens, making sure they have affordable health care. anything that christ is for, these people are against helping other human beings. they are the antichrist policy. they talk about the fact that they love jesus, but they really and truly are satan worshipers. host: another tweet from a viewer joni saying that the main reason the democrats lost, referring to the midterm elections, is because they could not be more like republicans and
ran away from obama's victory. more on the aftermath of ferguson and baltimore from "the new york times" magazine. thomas joining us from florida. good morning. caller: good morning. first-t time i have called into show. host: glad to hear freom you. caller: i have been a lifetime democrat, but in light of what is going on with the hillary campaign, i have been looking closer and closer at bernie sanders, and he is amanda is making more and more sense. i have been following him four years straight in regards to the two thousand 16 agenda for republicans, it will be more of the same. they need to go back and listen to the words of eisenhower. former president. before leaving office, he said,
beware of the military industrial complex. this is one thing that the republicans have not been being aware of. inside, they have been supporting and spending more money for military projects than ever before. as a result, we find a result getting ourselves more and more involved in military conflicts. it was under the republicans that we got into this mess in iraq and afghanistan. q obama has been reluctant on moving on the agenda of the he promised us as far as getting is totally out of these wars. my fear is with republicans, if they get into power, we will see more of the same. it will be a bigger and bigger mess. the only people that will benefit are the people building the war machines. we really have to turn to
something new. bernie sanders is the answer for the 2060 election. host: tom from st. petersburg. carol has this point, who do the democrats think have been in office? more welfare, divided country corrupt government no accountability, and the end of the middle class. there is a piece this morning looking again at the british elections and resi lessons for republicans in 2016.
that is from frank luntz. linda is joining us from south carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. host: how are you today? caller: i doing great, thank you. this is also my first call. i would just like to say, i do not know where people are getting the ideas that republicans are for the rich getting richer. if you look at republican governors, you see that they have less debt and more jobs, and therefore giving people a better shot at getting out of poverty. south carolina is one of those states, for example. our governor has graded more jobs than any governor we have ever had. i would like to that for those who are so worried about the republicans cutting social
security and government programs, they are wanting to make our government more efficient, and therefore give the people more opportunities. i feel like it people would read books, they would see what is happening to our country. it is being led down a communist road. i really hope people will stop and think before they vote this year. host: thank you linda for the call. we will stay with republicans. bill is next. caller: they go to the american people saying the country is broke. the nation screwed it up. host: ok. thank you for the call. " usa today" has this --
conservative group put historic mark on campaign finance system. the citizens united decision, a constant so as a political dispute. they describe themselves as the leading conservative advocacy group, it is seeking to influence the republican nomination process. we cover the entire event yesterday. honor democrats line, bertha is joining us next from ohio. caller: good morning. how are you today? host: fine. caller: it sets my hair on fire to hear the republicans talk about religious freedom. i am in an ordained christian minister with local church experience and statewide experience. to say that a particular
sectarian religious principle gives encoded into our law is not only against the first amendment, but it also borders -- i will just a borders -- on sharia law. i really think if a company like i'll be lucky ones to restrict access to contraceptives, that is interfering with the religious freedom of their employees. as a lifelong progressive, i think that the republican platform is out of the mainstream of public opinion on so many issues. i will not take the time to list them. that is my morning opinion. host: thank you for phoning in.
don't be a stranger. will you be calling again? caller: i will call again. this is my first time call. host: glad to hear from you thank you. this is from one of our regular tweeters saying that the gop message will let us do it again this time. a former white house press secretary, her book is number one. "and the good news is.." "the road to character" is number two. "bill o'reilly's legends and lives," is number four. our guest tonight on "q&a" also
featured. caller: good morning. i remember meeting you in the briefing room at the white house. my comment is about the gop and their inability to do legitimate outreach to minorities and women. you know yo in order to win the election, they will need to have more women and more minorities numerically, to win. of course, hillary is going to get all these women voters, and she is probably also going to drag some women from the republican party who will go to boost ths when no one can see them and vote for hillary. they need to focus on a legitimate outreach. i think they failed to do this repeatedly.
people like armstrong williams all of these people who are not legitimate black republicans. they do not represent anybody they just represent themselves. i think that has to change. host: thank you for phoning in. another viewer saying, progressives want to talk of republican war mongering but obama drone striking weddings and arming terrorists is ok? "the hill" talking about -- from "the new york times" -- obama criticizes liberal ally sharply on pacific trade deal. we are being joined fr on the republican mind from new york.
the last word on this. are you with us? caller: good morning. host: you are on the air. go ahead please. caller: ok. i don't know what the republican messages. i feel that scott walker is as much a radical on the right as obama is on the left. he is hypocritical and wisconsin. he took away collective bargaining for teachers. but not for police, fire, or sanitation because he needed their vote. also, he wants to cut all of these programs and pensions, and social security, but he would not cut his own pension i bet or privatize it, or his fellow government employees. that is my message. host: thank you for the call. again, the conversation continues on her facebook page at @cspanwj. or you can continue to send to. the former pennsylvania governor
tom ridge will be with us talking about the civility prize, talking about whether or not we have civility here in washington, d.c.. later, peter sullivan from "the hill" talks about state run health exchanges. later, sander levin is our guest on "newsmakers." here is a portion of that discussion. [video clip] rep. levin: let me mention mexico as well as be a non-. mexico competes with us. their workers make 1/5 of what they do in the 19th of america. we have to make sure that mexico essentially lives up to the basic standards that we wrote into an agreement.
language is important, but the reality is also important. the reality today in mexico and vietnam is that the workers do not have their basic rights. >> congressmen, next week, or on tuesday, the senate will take their first vote on the fast-track bill. senate democrats have been clamoring to put all four of the trade deal together in one package. that would include the trade adjustment assistance the democrats want, fast-track which more republican support in the white house supports, what are your thoughts on putting all of the trade bills that went through ways and means recently together in one package? does that make it a difficult vote for democrats because they want back trade adjustment assistance that would help workers who lose their job because of trade? tep. levin: i think each of the
four have to be evaluated on their own. and voted on their own. i do not want ta -- i helped author the bill, to be used as just a sweetener on fast track. fast-track us to stand on its own, and so does trade adjustment assistance. we have to get trade right. that is the key point. i have helped orchestrate those in the past. this is an example of a very important bill where they have not gotten it right at this point on many of the issues that i mentioned, and others. that is what this is really all about, getting it right. host: we hope you tune in for c-span's newsmakers program. this week, our conversation with representative sander levin, a democrat on the house ways and
means committee. we want that welcome tom ridge former pennsylvania government and very first homeland security secretary. we will begin on a different topic, civility in our times. an award being put together. what is this all about? guest: gimbal and decided a couple years ago that in order to raise the n notion that your political foes are your foes and not enemies and discourse between parties should be civil. you can be rigorously partisan and passionate about your belief ves, but we want to recognize those who are civil by implementing a civility prize. we gave it to david brooks and mark shields, an interesting combination. in 2013 was lindsey graham and
dianne feinstein. both passionate liberal conservatives, but their changes have always been very civil. in 2014, it was women in the senate who got together to avoid the shutdown. this is the 200th year celebration. the school is a jewel in northwestern pennsylvania, a small sobel school, great faculty. they went back to presidential historians and they said, big some moments out that we should share with a broader public where civility rose to the occasion. william stewart and abraham lincoln was one of the choices. linda will give who lost to roosevelt became very much a part of her operation. eleanor roosevelt supporting
marion anderson, 1939. when the daughters of the american revolution did not want her to sing at the constitution hall. she said, we will set this up in front of the lincoln memorial. the one that jumped out thomas everyone was 2013 montgomery alabama, sheriff kevin murphy. he took his hat off and gave it to a freedom writer, congressman john lewis who had been beaten in 1951. a powerful moment of reconciliation. a batch from us a sheriff to john lewis. at the end of the day, with the racial divide in this country the sadness and tragedy that we have seen in the last year
involving our police and law-enforcement and the black community, a group of historians said that this is the special moment. we celebrated that. host: some of those in attendance, jim molen, the president of allegheny college. here is a portion of what he had to say. [video clip] present molen: in 1961, 1 of the great freedom writers against racial segregation -- riders against racial segregation was beaten outside the greyhound bus station in montgomery alabama. he was protesting peacefully and with attacks. like most of us in america, he knew as he suffered those close, there would be no police department coming to his aid. over 50 years later, in 2013,
the freedom wriders return for a ceremony to commemorate the historic brave, and nonviolent work for justice. montgomery police chief kevin murphy chose to speak at the event, only after tv cameras have left the room, taking the opportunity to do something he would later say should have been done a long time ago. in that moment, five decades removed from acts of remorse and bigotry, in a nation still grappling with issues of race, a police officer brought an icon of the civil rights movement to tears. as chief murphy removed his badge, looked john lewis and i, and presented it to him as an
act of sincere and deeply felt apology. host: those comments from the president of allegheny college. this is the headline from "they aren't times" magazine -- our demand is simple, stop killing us. how do you turn this into action today? guest: the adjuster is more than symbolic. the gesture between sheriff m murphy and john lewis is an under state -- and understanding of the roles that each play in the community. we thought many civil rights organizations that work on the bias and prejudice in this country. although understanding from the black community that at the end of the day, their security their safety is dependent upon
the local the least. understanding the mission of those who seek to and hence opportunities of black people in the cities, but also the need to maintain a positive relationship with the men and women of your local police department who want to provide the safety and security so that you can send your children to say schools or raise your children and a community, bill businesses. there is a mutual interest there. the only way you advance the mutual interest is understanding the role and responsibilities of both groups and work towards that mutual objective. that very powerful exchange, the badge and recognition of what you doing continue to, and excepting at the very civil way sends a very positive message across this country. that is how we need to address some of the problems in our communities. host: said civility and public discourse is our topic.
we're talking to tom ridge. the author of the book "a test of our times." (202) 748-8000 is the line for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. let me ask you about this institution behind us, you served in the house of representatives under three speakers, including jim rice, who passed away this week. was partisanship any different when you were in the congress? guest: i think there was a difference. i have struggled with this question and the answer -- maybe it is unique to me -- but back in those days, when i saw president reagan and president bush, and you had george mitchell and bob dole, jim rice, they were really the world war ii generation. many of them had served in our military. they had all lived and worked
in function at a time when it was important to be republican and democratic, but there were issues that superseded that registration. they lived through a time when there were really big issues that required a national response. i really think that that generation of leaders brought a different tone to political discourse. i really do. one of the things that we need to understand in this country is because men and women -- a man and will or wom disagrees with me -- a man or woman across the isle disagrees with me, they are not my enemy, they are my political foe. it has to be done in a respectful way. i know historians will recall fights breaking out in the chamber, but do think the tone is set from the top. i think if you can see a liberal like to o'neill and a conservative like ronald reagan,
both world war ii generation both strongly held beliefs, and gauge in many ways, always with a civil and respectful dialogue. host: do you think though looking back, because the world war ii generation was united by a common foe with was a different generation that than what we have post korea post-vietnam? guest: it is absolutely correct. you can add on top of that that the single unifying experience around this country, 100 or so channels, social media frankly now you have multiple threads. the power of constituencies,
dollars in campaign sees days these days -- i think the 24-hour news cycle has changed politics. host: what about the tea party? guest: i think it is a positive benefit to the party. i think they are very important. i think they have to soften the edges and become a part of a broader national campaign to elect a republican president in 2016. they have a role to play, by hope they understand -- but i hope that they understand that their constituency cannot elect a president of the united states. host: dickinson school of law, i guess, tom ridge, former pennsylvania govern
caller: good morning. thank you for c-span and thank you for taking my call. it's nice to see you on this morning. congratulations on your work for the governor reported the initiative here in pennsylvania really pushed that barge and i was part of that as a coordinator and i'm a community mobilizer. i just wonder how you see that type of model maybe playing a part in what we're talking about really engaging all levels of the community different communities. host: i'm going to jump in we're getting a little bit of feedback. >> caller: i'm wondering how see hes the program engaging in all
levels of the community and all different members and key leaders within the community playing a part and moving forward and trying to reconcile many of the problems that we now with policing and with trying to uplift those communities that are struggle. guest: that's a great question. i go back to the time i was privileged to serve in the house and tip o'neal was the speaker and he said all politics is local. at the end of the day all your solutions must be local. i chide ni friend in washington, d.c. and remind him, we see the customers. you can pass laws and legislation in washington, d.c. but at the end of the day in order to implement those laws and excute them fairly and appropriately you need the buy-in of the states and local gots as well as the citizens. so i think any time you're
addressing a problem we come back to the situation that we alluded to earlier in this program, the challenges we have in the inner cities, the racial bias, the challenges that our police face every single day. there aren't too many occupations where on a day-to-day basis the spouse stays at home and wonders whether or not the other spouse is coming home that night and clearly that's the kind of mindset you have to have if you're a military person, fireman, or policeman. at the end of the day taking these challenges down to the local level and engaging in not only some of the discussions but what are the priorities within the communities and addressing them one at a time is the only way we can rebuild trust in government and rebuild our inner cities. lethsdz face it, the economic opportunities are limited in the inner cities one of the reason is because the education, the young men and women are getting an infearier education, there are many reasons for that, many reasons for poverty.
so unless you get beyond the cliches, some of the sound bites that predominate the headlines it's not going to go away. so i hope you're right. you get down in the community, you rally people at different points of view, identify priorities, and set methods and approaches to resolve some of these challenges. >> host: the ridge papers in pennsylvania. robert clumba south carolina republican line good morning. caller: good morning. secretary ridge, i just wanted to thank you for your years of service to our great nation. my question to you sir, is do you see the current climate that we are living in, it seems like the twilight zone, people
are being disrespectful to police to the point where they are just so brazen but yet we want to use some of the other reasons as scape gothse for behavior that is by and large inexcusable. and i can the police are getting a really bad rap across our nation. these men and women do a tremendous job. there might be a few bad eggs in the bunch but by and large the men and women who provide our security are doing a wonderful job. guest: i think most people agree with you. i think most people would agree with you that the police on a day-to-day basis do a good job. some of the reasons are identifyable and can be addressed rather quickly. i think at the end of the day
there is frustration in a lot of our inner cities, a lot of it has to do with the the economic conditions, with the quality of the schools and those kinds of thing that is lead to almost a permanent unrest in certain communities. but i would dare say that i think most of the latest examples the good men and women in those neighborhoods, in baltimore, maryland, by and large, whether white, black, asian when they lived in those communities i believe that they respected in those -- the police in those communities. in any profession, in any walk of life occasionally are those that don't follow the right procedures and unfortunately they cast a dark shadow on those who go out on a daily day-to-day basis and risk their lives, that we come back down to it i think your premise is absolutely correct. the police officers, the law enforcement community 24/7 in the united states of america do one fabulous job trying to keep us safe and secure.
host: one of our viewers kind of encompasses the views saying the it's sad 6 guest: there's a lot to be said for that. i do think you take -- i'm a strong believer that at the end of the day you would like to see elections, people prevail candidates prevail in elections based on their point of view or frankly challenging the other side's point of view but on both sides of the aisle neither comes in with clean hands. this negative commercials everybody decries them but unfortunately they seem to be very, very successful. i remember when saxby chambliss is a great friend of mine. i'm proud to have served with those men and women but max lost both legs during combat
and yet he voted against the department of homeland security. this is ancient history but it's still a challenge and it's seared in my mind. they kind of morphed in bin laden's face on to max and basically suggested the man's not a patriot. the man is a veteran. he lost both legs in service of his country. yet we thought that the ends justifies the means. i think you can find plenty of examples on the other sides of the aisle. one of these days the american public is going to revolt. let the best man and woman win. but let it be a battle of ideas. >> john lewis the resip ynt of the civility prize this year. more information on line. mike next. good morning. caller: hello everybody. i am fearful and ignorant when it comes to corporate international fascism and i was
wondering, tom if it would be ok now to take the plastic and the duct tape off my house after 14 years. guest: great line. great line. i tell you that refers to -- you've got to look back and find some humor in some of the things that we had to do way back when i was secretary of homeland security. one of the recommendations we made when people said what do we need to do in order to prepare for a terrorist attack is we said the red cross has a ready kit. what they like to do -- this is not a creation of the doff of homeland security the red cross has always said you need duct take plastic sheeting, water, canned foods. so we threw that out there and some late night comedians had a ball with governor ridge recommending or secretary ridge
recommending the use of duct tape and plastic sheeting. but at the end of the day the red cross had a pretty good idea. there are a lot of people and a lot of parts of the world in this country who had that ready kit and put it to pretty good use. but feel free. i think you're in pretty good shape right now. but you never want to keep it too far away. by the way i've discovered there are plenty of other good use for duct tape. >> 14 years after the department was created of course you played a key role in developing the department has it met what you envisioned your initial expectations guest: it has met them but the continuing challenge within the department is way back when in 2003 if homeland security was viewed as a holding company right off the bat we had mergers and we had acquisitions we had startups and divevessturs. some of the big agencies they all had their own finance
department human rights -- human resources et cetera. we went from 180,000 employees to 240,000. i'm not going to be critical of the number. i'm just trying to figure out whay they need it had other 60,000. the goal is to be as efficient and effective as you can be. there are still some challenges associated particularly on the finance and procurement and hr side but they continue to make progress every day. it would be hugely helpful and every secretary from jay johnson to secretary nap tono michael chert off and myself have said we begged the congress of the united states our friends on the hill to reduce the number of committees and subcommittees. it's well over 100. i testified before congress more often and as my friend secretary rumed rumsfeld testified we had two wars going on and trying to build a department. they need to condense that so
they can continue to create a much more effective and efficient organization. they're doing a pretty good job but you never as good as you need to be or want to be. so they must continue to be aspirational. host: as you look at tsa we all know what it's like to go through security checkpoints do they need everything that they have in place whether it's checking your hands or elderly people in wheel chairs or young kids who have to hold up their hands to go through security checkpoints. but has it gone overboard guest: they are moving slowly one could perhaps even say at glacier like speed to get away with that. i couldn't agree with you more. i fly a lot and every once in a while i'm kind of toward the rear in the line and they go are you responsible? and i normally point to the guy behind me. no. i accept responsibility. but a lot of this we need to
change. the precheck is a great initial start. they have reduced the age limitations, i think infants can go in now. but i saw a very elderly woman going through secondary screening it was not the fault of the t.s.a. employee. she was just following instructions. and right now we still don't give these men and women the discretion that i think we need to entrust them with. so we are making some progress particularly with regard to pree clear but in terms of elderly and handicap and youth we have to continue to make adjustments. host: we also welcome our viewers and listeners across in great britain listening. raleigh, north carolina. independent line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. in the recent events in ferguson and with trayvon martin case, i don't know, the federal investigations have
shown that these allegations are completely false. it seems to me this is either a narrative looking for facts and also a great deal of coordination between certain groups and the news media. it seems almost like a news media hoax to me when we really discover the facts of the case. i was wondering if mr. ridge would comment on that. guest: i want to thank you for the question because i think what we've seen over the past several months in some of these cases is the impact of almost a breathless media ay arriving at the scene of obviously a very important event, but projecting it in a way that almost convicts the individual who may be suspected of inappropriate conduct within 24 hours.
what we have seen in a couple of these occasions, some of the videos we didn't need the media to show up that young man that got shot in the back on multiple occasions you've got to give the authorities and local government a lot of credit that officer immediately was charged with homicide with murder. but you will see in some of these other circumstances that they ran put a microphone on somebody that alleged they saw something and then that fact being repeated over and over again or that alleged fact being repeated over and over again became part of the national debate and it was all said and done that fact was totally in error it was not a fact. it did not happen. so i think there is a responsibility within the broader community of journalists and media to report it what's going on but not try to make a determination of what the facts are and still believe in the judicial process and our system and i do think that from
time to time the media gets in the way of letting that system run its course. and you don't have these answers overnight and you're not going to resolve it within a day or two or a week or two. but by and large the process of the judicial system has served this country very, very well and we ought to let it play out. as horrific as some of these circumstances are and as troubled as some of these are, as excited we may get the last thing we need is the media to be breathless in their reporting 24/7, the same thing over and over. i think that creates a volatile atmosphere that lends itself oftentimes to a second or third series of events which perhaps could have been avoided if this coverage would have been a little more appropriate. host: on the larger issue though of those who serve in the line of duty the men and women in blue, a police officer in new york city, 25-year-old rookie was shot in the face he died this past week. overnight police have arrested
two individuals involved in the death of two hattiesburg, mississippi officers. of course this following what we've seen in ferguson and south carolina and of course in baltimore. guest: we have to admit that right now because of multiple events some of them have been distorted and some are very, very real that there is a great deal of tension between the law enforcement community and the black community. and it is important for leaders on both sides to calm this country, calm the inner cities. one of the great powers within the black community are the religious leaders. not the political people that show up when something happens. you know who i'm talking about. but the thoughtful religious leaders in these communities. i've got a great friend from congress who i haven't seen or talked to in years or years.
waiting to hear my friend's voice because understanding the relationship between your community and law enforcement in the broader community working together to solve these problems i think is absolutely essential. all this crisis says to me and should say to this country let's accept it. it is real. the conditions in our inner cities are not imagery. young men and women half of them don't get through high school so you have all of a sudden -- and then you worry about poverty. well if you don't have an education it's unlikely you're going to get a decent job. you also have the culture of a lot of violence. black on black crime. these are problems that have existed for a long time and everybody hopes it will go away. they're not going away until the country accepts its responsibility. republicans and democrats. to deal with education, poverty, these kind of conditions inside. that requires republicans and democrats law enforcement black community religious leaders
political leaders corporate leaders. we're all in this together. and it's about time that we just ignored the reality and tried to deal with it. >> -- not ignore the reality and deal with it. caller: good morning. how are you? guest: good morning. happy mother's day. caller: same to you. i vote for you twice you're a great guy. i admire you. i was there the day when you got nominated to harrisburg a couple friends of mine. i'm very proud of you. i want you to do me a favor because i've been trying for 20 years about the 10% sales tax in clothing and about property tax so they can help the people who work so hard in their lives to get that passed and they're playing games back and forth,
i'll be calling everyone, my representative about harassment stupid thing but it doesn't work about but the right thing to help the people and help the state to bring jobs over here and create good society and a good -- we have the best state in the united states. and you know that. so please do me a favor. try to work that out. i've been trying for 20 years. people want relief on the tax code. i could go on and on but this is the most important thing that i call in my wife worked 37 years for the government for you. and i tell you, i'm proud of you. thanks. you did a good job. god bless you. have a nice mother's day. thank you. guest: very kind with your call. the question of property tax reform in the queftsdz of pennsylvania and i dare say in a lot of other states is something that has been raised. people talk about it that there's been nothing more than
conversation. i think one of the challenges we have in pennsylvania and i will say this is as disruptive as it may be and as unwelcomed as it may be is that one of the reasons propt taxes is so high in pennsylvania is because of the massive educational infrastructure we have in pennsylvania with 500 plus school districts. and every school district has a principal and you've got assistant principals. i think if people in pennsylvania were truly interested in significant property tax reform they would give up these smaller school districts. i think some states actually have countywide school districts where you have more emphasis placed on dollars in education and reduces the overall cost reduces property taxes. when you add that huge infrastructure in public education and the communities reluctance to give up their mass colt and their schools,
it's pretty difficult to do. but if you want to make substaptbive reform you dramatically reduce the infrastructure in the commonwealth of pennsylvania you could have more money to put in the classrooms. host: good morning. caller: good morning. i appreciate the work you did after 9/11 and i salute everything that we've done since then. i did want to ask you one question. trying to wrap my head around sort of surveillance allegation that is have been coming out recently. and ed snowden said that him and nearly 1 million other guys -- agents, contractors -- have authority on their own to tap the phones read the e-mails check the internet surfing history and so forth of anybody they want. now, i can't believe that's
true. guest: first, i don't think too much of ed snowden so his credibility on this issue not withstanding there's -- i don't think there's any truth to the fact that literally hundreds of thousands of contractors working for the united states government have access to that kind of information. however, i do think you raise an interesting point that has now become very relevant the last couple weeks of congress and that's the recent appeals court decision in new york that basically said the telephone meta data program that surveillance tools that nast and f.b.i. used is exceeded the actual authority of the statute of the patriot act section the 15. and as we get toward the end of may when that surveillance technology or that surveillance tech neek is set to expire you
know, it will be incumbent upon congress, one, to go back and take a look at the patriot act and frankly follow some of the prescriptions offered by the court of appeals that said look you're just collecting bulk data and not only today but tomorrow but it's not being collected and directed toward a specific offense, a specific investigation. and i think the court provided very clear guidelines for the congress to follow if it wants to continue. and i think it should continue to use this important surveillance technology but the notion that the federal government's entite dolled have a huge vacuum cleaner and pulling all this data for whenever flies in the face of the statutory language and the court concluded. i think you will see a bipartisan, bike cameral effort between now and the end of congress to narrow it down so the f.b.i. and the nsa can continue to use modern technology but it's got to be
very specific very prescriptionive and important for congress to act between now and the end of the month. host: you can listen as they take up the freedom u.s.a. legislation. cindy faithville north carolina. thank you for waiting. caller: good morning. this is my first time calling so i just wanted to say good morning and say hello. i'm thinking though that the twia is a first great start in protecting our people on the airplanes. however, now we can see that the enemy isn't coming from the poor black man who doesn't feel like getting barred, harassed by the policemen but they're coming from those who live among us in regular lives that rise up against capitalism or the spirit of america in some way and they focus -- but the police are focusing on skin
color, which is it's easy to point out skin color but it's not easy to get the enemy that is saying they are -- they want to imping on our free speech here in america and make us fearful to speak up against atrocities. guest: it was a positive strong statement. i'm not sure what the question was. host: part of it, the lone wolf threat rises from obama. are we focusing too much on skin color versus other threats we're facing within our community? guest: i think you're absolutely right. this incident in baltimore, i'm still trying to figure out what that poor young man did to even attract the attention of these police officers and i will let the court decide in that case and i don't want to add anything more to that. but i do think that the appeal right now of isil and they're
very sophisticated their use of social media, the overtures that they are making to disaffected youth adged disaffected people not only in this country but around the world creates a huge problem for this country. and i think it's given the nature of that problem and the extent that -- jim said the other day that they've got active investigations going on in i think 56 field offices all offices around concerns involving potential sympathizers to isil. i think it's time for us one, to reconsider the relationship we have with some of our state and local police because i'm not sure given the reality of the 21st century as hard working as the f.b.i. might be they're still limited in terms of people and resources. and they need time to figure out ways to bring in the state and local police to assist us
in that effort. so you're right. no one -- i mean, the focus on the skin color is irrelevant. focus on activity that is unlawful and the skin color is immaterial. but putting aside that law enforcement concern that you legitimately have and the biases associated with the notion well, black therefore pay close attention to that individual. that's wrong you know it's wrong and i know it's wrong but the other side that's going on in the 21st century is this global scourge of terrorism about which we're going to be dealing with for the foreseeable future if not forever. so it seems incumbent upon the federal government particularly the f.b.i. to begin developing some much stronger relationships with the state and local folks so they can help identify and contain if not arrest some of these individuals. host: let me follow up based on what happened outside of dallas and the warning from the f.b.i. director combie who says there is a growing threat inside of the u.s. and the departments
that you once headed up has raised the threat level especially at military bases and facilities here in this country. just how real is this and what is your biggest concern? guest: i think the fact that he's talking about it, secretary johnson raised the threat level i don't think you do that, having gone through that experience, unless there's credible intelligence who say they're targeted and it's pretty clear if you take a look what happened in belgium, canada france, that that one or two individuals with a firearm creates far greater dangers today than we've ever seen before given the nature of global terrorism and i say this time and again i don't mean to repeat myself but we shouldn't be breathless about it. it is a condition that we are going to have to deal with forever more perhaps. and so we understand that's the condition and we need to do everything we possibly can within the limits of the law and restrictions of the law, restraints of the law with regard to surveillance. we need to do everything we can
to engage the state and locals. it is a challenge that will be with us for quite some time and you can't deal with that challenge particularly from washington, d.c. and federal agencies. we need much more support at the state and local level. host: i realize you can't give classified information but as you look through those briefings every morning and every night, what went through your mind? guest: someone asked me early on in my tenure as even in the white house before i became secretary, they said how do you sleep at night? and i said i sleep well. i don't sleep much. the reason i slept well is because once you're inside the federal government, and you get to know and appreciate not only the leaders of these organizations but the passion and the commitment that these men and women in the intelligence community and the f.b.i. c.i.a., nsa and pentagon and everybody else keeping us safer and secure
americans should feel confident that in spite of the challenges particularly the domestic terrorist, the isil, the global appeal to these savagery of these bar barrens as that what gave me comfort is knowing that people working 24/7 in order to keep you and me and everybody else and our families secure. i do think however now given the appeal of isil and the explosion of social media and the sophistication they use to recruit, to pross letize to train we're going to have to figure out a new relationship and again i keep going back to this over and over again with our state and local folks to have them help the federal government to keep us more secure against these medeival bar barrens. host: good morning.
caller: good morning. mr. ridge, i'm 612 years old. in 19 -- 62 years old. i was beaten by the pli this is not a new phenomenon. and do [inaudible] something by the police. and let's get some facts straight. you say that the police in charleston were charged right off with murder or something. he had put in his file that the guy [inaudible] and when the guy came up with the picture then that's when they charged him. and if you hadn't had pictures coming up people wouldn't be knowing what's going on like you have in chicago. last but not least i don't know of any police that were drafted
to be a police. they had to volunteer for the job. if you don't want the job, you don't love working in the community, you should not take the job. guest: i think there's a good point. the men and women basically who sign up for law enforcement are all volunteers. and to the extent they are volunteers i think we appreciate their service but i think as citizens you and i expect that these men and women in uniform be given the proper training associated with that very critical role they play in those communities. so appreciating the fact that they volunteered for service does not in any way immunize them from legitimate criticism that is directed toward them because of the abuse of their authority as a police officer. but i would hope youland agree that by and large these volunteers with adequate
training do a good job trying to keep us our communities safe. i think we would both agree that in that profession as in many, many other professions that you do have some folks that in spite of their training may bring a bias or a prejudice to that service that is reflected sometimes in unconscionable and unacceptable conduct. but i think americans and hopefully you agree you've got every reason to be -- to suspect motivation if you've been a victim of an assault because of the color of your skin to be quite skeptical. but i would also say that given your experience as someone as a leader in your community if they're looking for someone to step forward and say i have been a victim of these kind of assaults but i also want my community to be safe and secure, and i want to work within my community with law enforcement to make sure one that it never happens again to me or anyone else, and two if
we create that safe community and improve the quality of education and provide more economic opportunity i as an older man -- you mentioned your age -- want to see my kids and grand kids live in this community have a better life than i did. so you can turn a horrible incident in your personal life and a very important message and aspirational message to the young men and women in your community. they could follow your lead. you've got the gray hair and experience to give them some direction. and i hope you do. host: john, good morning to you. a lot of early calls. go ahead. caller: good morning. my question is on the mannedry sentences in oregon here we have what we call measure 11. and regardless how severe or how a crime if you fall under the measure 11, you lose your case, you do mandatory sentence
. what i've been -- because this is going on in my family right now. i have my son that's not getting due process because of the failure of the defense doing their job, the judges, one judge not loring bail because he's early retirement. and these guys that are supposed to -- they cut corners because they don't want to do their job right. and when you have these simple things that are heage and all they have to do is to investigate properly my son would have been released by now. but because they take short cuts and because we're blue collar and poor and can't afford the $250,000 bail they set these high bails so i can see across our country where blacks whites, they're all getting the low end of the deal because they're poor. host: what is your son being
charged with? caller: with sexual assault charge. it's just a simple he said she said case. and they didn't do no rape kit no follow up. didn't follow procedures. and my son's been sitting in jail for almost 90 days now without a charge. host: we'll get a response. as a former district attorney. guest: it's tough for me to believe he's been sitting in jail for 90 days without some kind of charge. obviously bail was set by some level of judiciary based on information provided by the district attorney or the prosecutor. so i'm not sure that's entirely accurate. i don't know whether or not your son qualifies for a public defender. i know that in many communities there's strong support even by the local bar association to provide quality lawyers for whom these citizens might not normally be able to pay to
provide that kind of defensive support. and hopefully if you haven't made an inquiry with regard to that kind of legal support for your son you should. with regard to mandatory sentencing, i think you're on to something that is quite interesting. i think now, given the modern technology that we have, then associated with enormous cost of incarceration that nonviolent crimes, some minor drug related offenses here to forepeople were thrown into jail. we have to reconsider whether or not the dollars are appropriately spent in housing those nonviolent criminals or other forms of limiting their activity within the community. i think we can do that. i think the skwlusstiss department is looking at it and i can it's long overdo. it will take some thoughtful discussion, political discussion. but the prisons are bursting at the seams and there's some people in the prisons who again we limit their activity in the community and monitor their
activity we can probably not only save a lot of money but might even accelerate the rehabilitation of some of these individuals a little easier on the outside than it is on the inside. host: one final point regarding isis. how and why is isis able to recruit westerners? what are they doing and who are they attracting? guest: it's a great question. i think there's a lot of people socialologists and psychologists and people in the intelligence community trying to figure that out. you need to know your enemy and understand what the appeal is, what is the attraction? i'm just not willing to dismiss it as just disaffected youth. we know that poverty in many instances has not been the baseline is the reason that people find -- associate themselves with al qaeda or isil but it's a fact to be determined but one thing we do know for sure there is enormous appeal and we need to figure out how to counter balance it. i think there is begun an
effort within our intelligence community and elsewhere to aswayed people almost our version of the information campaign. and one of the things that these strong devout muslims who find this appealing to them they need to understand that isil has killed more of their brethren than nonmuslims. so it's almost a counter intelligence, counter education campaign that we need to put on to social media ourds and into the broader muslim communities not only in this country but around the world. host: we began talking about congressman john lewis and the civil if i prize. yours involvement is? guest: my brother is a graduate. i've had scores of young men and women work with me as governor and as congressman i'm a huge fan of jim and it's a jewel of a university. 200 years old. beautiful little campus small class sizes great professors,
great students. and the fact that they asked me to help them with the civility award is so important the fact the individual on the other side disagrees with you that's great that's democracy he's your foe not your enemy. let's bring civility back into this whole discussion. let's follow the lead of alleghany college. one of the reasons it's so successful it's driven by the leader jim mullin. one way is by the president and leaders in the house and senate and the party leaders have to encourage their following their flock to be much more civil in the discourse and the exchange of ideas. host: former governor homeland security tom ridge. guest: thank you. host: we'll continue the conversation on this mother's day and we'll take a look at the affordable care act.
host: peter sullivan a staff rider for the hill newspaper. we want to spend this time talking about the state-run health exchanges all part of the affordable care act. thank you for being with us. guest: good morning. host: what is an exchange? guest: it's a marketplace where people can buy health insurance that was set up under the affordable care act or obamacare. so the idea is kind of like expedia with how the proponents of the law portrayed it so you can compare prices and choose a plan. host: let's look at figures. over 8 million people have selected a plan through the state-based marketplaces. also the federally facilitated marketplace and about 2.2
million are between the ages of 18-34 but now some of these are in financial trouble. why? guest: well they're supposed to rely on fees from health inshurors and also helps them if more people sign up but some of the state exchanges have actually had trouble signing people up compared to the federal exchange in 37 states using the federal health care.gov that a lot of people know well have actually had better luck signing people up than a lot of the state exchanges but that's hurt their finances. a lot of the exchanges have had technical problems. but some of those are still lingering on the state exchanges and that's been causing them to spend money to hire all these technical people to fix these problems. host: concern from republican lawmakers who are calling on the states and holding their feet to the fire. but more figures. 14 state-based health place market based exchanges. three federally supported another 27 are facilitated by
the federal government. what are senator hatch and others calling for? guest: they've been concerned that some of the spending on the state run exchanges might be violating the law which states that the state-run exchanges are supposed to be self-sufficient. they got federal grants to help set them up but these the senators are concerned that they might be using some of the federal money that they got to set up the exchange for just operating costs which they're not supposed to do like keeping the lights running, they're not supposed to be using the federal money for but they're concerned that the definitions of what you're allowed to spend money on and not allowed are kind of unclear so they're looking for some clarification on that. host: you can read more details on the line. our guest is peter sullivan. our phone lines are open with your calls and comments. you can send us a tweet. when you write about them being
self-sustaining what's the model? guest: they're looking for a model. i guess a lot of them are having trouble doing that. connecticut's exchange has been doing pretty well so a lot of states are looking to connecticut which has not had as many technical problems and they're actually maybe going to be borrowing some of the technical expertise and even kind of using the call center in connecticut and that's kind of a way that some states maybe are going to be relying on a model that has been working. host: the affordable care act continues to be a target by republicans. now though that it is in place and in place in these states, what is the g.o.p. line of attack? guest: they've actually been shifting a little bit recently. back when this was starting out there were all the website problems that created a huge opening for republican criticisms. but now that things are getting a little smoother and people are signing up the administration is touting a 16 million people their estimate having gained insurance, the
republicans are shifting more towards other aspects rather than just the enrollment number like how high quality are these plans? a lot of these people are on medicaid and it's hard to find a doctor's appointment on medicaid. doctors don't want to take it because they get paid less. the networks are narrow which means you don't have as much choice of doctors or which hospitals you're going to go to. so kind of the quality of the plan is kind of a new line of attack for republicans now. host: if you're one of those new aca recipients, what should you be concerned about if anything some of these states may be facing financial difficulty? guest: it's going to be hard for you to sign up. if -- they need to keep up the exchange for you to be able to go on andre new your coverage i don't think we've gotten to the point where people are afraid they're going to collapse tomorrow. so right now if you have insurance i think you're going to have it for a bit longer. i think a real threat is the
supreme court case coming up which can take away the subsidies in the federally run exchanges that make insurance affordable for a lot of people. if they lose that federal money, then they would have trouble. host: a ruling is expected probably mid to late june. that really is the underpinnings of the affordable care act is the administration prepared for that possibility? guest: their line has been that they are not preparing for this possibility. they say they're confident they're going to win in the court and they say there's nothing they can really do. if the court takes away these subsidies for people in the 37 states using the federal exchange they're saying it's just going to be a lot of harm basically. now, some people take that as kind of just a way to raise pressure on the court. there's no interest for the administration to say oh it will be fine we have this plan ready. their interest is putting pressure on the court and
saying if you rule against us there's going to be harm. host: if question from jean in ohio. guest: the exchange vun by the government but they're offering insurance that's offered by private companies so it's a mixture you're using something set up by the state government in order to purchase private health insurance. host: joe in north carolina. caller: good morning. you need to tell your listeners because i'm on the exchange you get a card when you apply for your insurance and you get it and i will have -- united health care, aetna whatever. and then on the far bottom right-hand side it will say the marketplace. you go to the doctor's office and these people do not look at
that little listing that says the health marketplace. they accept you because they accept the primary united health care signature in a aetna whatever. you go to the hospital you go through preop because this is a true story it happened to me they ok it you get your operation you come back get a letter says we're not covering you because you're out of network. now, they don't tell you categorically because this is not -- buyer beware that you must stay in your own state. and when they find your primary care the first primary care doctor i had was 25-1/2 hours away. the second primary doctor i had was a chiropractor. the third primary doctor i had was the same one but only an hour away and he is in another state but he carries double licensing in two states they still don't cover him. and you have to prove your income to be on the exchange.
the letter they give you where i'm at is from london kentucky. now, they give the post office gave the federal government a zombie zip code. it is not london kentucky. it took me three weeks to find out where to send it because they never -- i sent it certified it never got there i send it regular fedex is the only one that opened my eyes. you have to tell the people it's a good plan it means well, but it's still screwed up and one department in the health care cannot talk to the other health department because they say they don't have phones they don't have facts, they just do it. if you don't threaten them to get on a supervisor you never get an answer until you do that. host: thank you for the call. guest: i think you're getting at some of the bureaucratic problems that people have been having a lot of people like their insurance but there can be some kind of bumps along the way. and the issue of having to
travel to find your doctor has been something that republicans have looked at with the law that some of these plans might not be offering the most convenient choices of doctors has been a criticism of some plans under the affordable care act. host: some of you are saying how many people have lost their insurance after the a.c.a., what's the net gain or loss? still 30 million uninsured. guest: well, actually there's an intrething rand corporation study that came out said about 16 million people net have gained so about 22 million total had gained and then about 5 or 6 million had actually lost their insurance. but this study was actually saying that this rate of loss was not much higher than even before the affordable care act when people lose their jobs or other things happen and you can lose insurance. so that's kind of a natural thing. so these canceled plans were a real republican line of attack.
but this study actually said it's only about 060,000 people which is still a significant number had actually lost their plans and stayed uninsured after the affordable care act. host: a graduate of a college in iowa. william is next from georgia. republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i was just going to say anything out of the rand corporation you can just -- but i really want to comment on the fact that i'm a provider medical provider and a lot of these state-run insurance programs don't tell the patients that they're still in the medicaid program but they tell them they're under private insurance. and when they go then to a doctor's office especially if the doctor is out of state they don't realize that the doctor -- this has happened a couple of times where basically they don't -- there's nothing on their website, nothing on the insurance card telling you that
the patient is a medicaid patient and i've been stuck with the bill because essentially i don't get paid. there's no reimbursement if you're out of network and especially if you're out of state. so i would like mr. sullivan to explain how these companies can commit this kind of fraud. where they basically don't tell people especially people out of state that this patient cannot go to see them since they're -- since the physician is out of network and out of state. guest: i think you're getting at an important goal of the administration and i think the insurance companies, too, which is kind of teaching people how to use their insurance. if you've been uninsured for a long time you're not used to using your insurance card to go to the doctor and understanding things like the network and where you can go and where it's allowed. so the administration has been saying this kind of slogan of coverage is not the same thing as care.
they're trying to kind of educate people now that they have gained insurance so that they don't run into things like going to doctors that are outside of their network or going to different states or that kind of thing. so i think that's kind of a work in progress on the way. host: another headline from the hill.com looking at er visits which have increased under the affordable care act and one of the promises put forth by the obama administration was that the er would not be your primary care physician you would have your own doctor, your own network to go to. what do you attribute this increase to? guest: that study was kind of made waves republicans have been pointing to it. there is a theory that basically it was just wrong to say that the law would reduce er visits. the idea behind that was there are uninsured people who have to go to the er they rely on it it's the only place they can get care once they get insurance they can go to other
doctors. but a competing theory is if you give people insurance that encourages them to go get care including at the er and you might see more people then. so this study indcailingts that it might be -- indicates it might be more people. there have been some critiques of its methodology saying it was a survey of doctors in er's and maybe they just feel like there are more people showing up at their emergency rooms and you should look at the hospital data or something like that. so i don't think this one study is definitive but points out that it might have been wrong to say that the law is going to reduce er visits. chuck independent line. good morning.
caller: good morning. my question is i'm an independent and so liberty and freedom and personal choices and all of these things are real important to me. all along our medical industry has been a free market enterprise. and i'm all for free market enterprises. so doesn't it -- isn't it kind of obvious that when we try to mix socialized medicine that has been prior a free market exercise doesn't it just stand to reason that these exchanges are going to be failing having financial trouble? doesn't that just make sense? guest: well, you're right that there certainly are people who say these exchanges are not the right way to do it and they are coming into some financial trouble which might boost their
arguments. the other argument is that these exchanges actually kind of boost the marketplace in that they allow you to compare the prices and kind of get more information which could be an important part of choosing your plan. so they're kind of different sides of -- something that's giving people information so they can buy private insurance. or is this too much government involvement and with these financial problems is it sustainable? >> host: there's this question. guest: that's something that people have been working on is this idea of networks and helping educate people. so i think there are different ways being looked at to do that. but it is important i guess so for people to not have these surprises when they get to a doctor and realize they're out of network and it's going to be
much more expensive. so i think people are looking at ways to kind of educate people about their plans especially if they're getting insurance for the first time. host: al is joining us. caller: good morning. i just wanted to comment that when i went on the exchange, i had like 26 different plans that i could choose from. i narrowed it down to the plan that i liked, and made sure that my doctor was on the plan. it worked very well for me. i just wanted to make that comment. one of the previous caller said something about the free market -- the very purpose of a business is that to make money. as far as i'm concerned, they would try to get rid of people or get rid find ways to make money.
. i do not agree with that caller. i just want to say, i am pleased with the planned i got. this is the second year that i got it. i just wanted to make that comment. so, thank you. host: al, thank you . guest: i think it is important to point out that a lot of people are happy with their insurance on these exchanges. there have been studies of people that show that there are high rates of satisfaction with the plans. that is something that they have been pointing to does say, look people are liking this. host: gina's next from maryland. good morning. caller: good morning. i'm calling it because i was told by people like obama that
if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance, and yet, my insurance was canceled. they no longer offer insurance to my state. not only that, but i have to pay now over two times the amount that i did before. i have disabled. i'm on medicare. i cannot afford my medicine as it is, and now i have the that much more for a policy. host: thank you for the call. we have a couple of related tweets as well on the higher cost that customers are paying. guest: that has been a concern. it is fair to say that prices went up for some people. if you had a more bare-bones plan, the aca would prevent some of those skimpier plans being allowed. they require certain things being covered in the plans which
can raise the prices for some people. other people are seeing their cost go down. if you had a pre-existing condition and could not get a plan before, now you can get it. there are subsidies to help people. if you're long low income, you can get a subsidy so that the actual overall cost of the plan would be high, but your share of it would be low because the government would be picking up part of it. as debate over who cost is going up for in who it is going down for is something that both sides can look at and find real examples. host: are republicans -- who, again have opposed care -- if you have health care and lose it, is there any gop plan to help those? guest: they are working on that right now. i have been a big part --
republicans encumbers are looking for a plan. they say we need to have one. they do not want to be put under this pressure of people losing health insurance -- they know it will be a big political problem for them if they blame republicans for losing health care. they are working on plans. they have not coalesced around one. there are several options, some are still being worked on. a lot of it is this idea of getting rid of the individual mandate under the aca, which they do not like at all. i giving people tax credits -- and giving people tax credits for buying up land. interestingly, a lot of them include the aca subsidies going for a period of time. some of them want to keep the subsidies going so that people are not immediately losing this help to buy insurance. host: david is next from
florida. good morning. caller: good morning. i live in florida. i am on medicare. i have the humana option. i am really happy with that. i have a wife who is 46 years old, and she has not had insurance for 11 years. we are down here, and i was wondering if there are any states that are working properly so that i can put tires on the interstate to get her covered sooner or later? guest: a lot of the 36 states using the federal exchange which is a lot of the middle of the country, a lot of the north east and west coast are stay exchanges, but a lot of the middle of the country is using federal exchanges. it had a bad rollout, but they seem to have fixed a lot of the technical problems, and it does
seem to be working now. some of the state run exchanges have financial problems and technical difficulties. it is interesting that the tables have turned and the federal exchanges seem to be working fairly well now. host: you can also join in on the conversation on her twitter page, @cspanwj. there is this comment from of you are saying that the affordable care act does not make care of affordable, providers and drug companies still charge ridiculous prices. arlene is next from west palm beach, florida. good morning. caller: good morning. ok, i just want to say, i work for a big corporation that was only too happy when the obamacare came out to drop us. the same coverage that i had with the corporation, i now have
with obamacare. i am one of those people with pre-existing conditions. i am paying less than what i used to pay before obamacare. i'm just saying that it is unfair for some of the doctors because they do not like obamacare. all people have to do -- i had to change some of my doctors but i am still getting good care. we have to pay something out of pocket. we cannot expect to get everything for free. host: can i ask you what you are paying now and what you are paying a couple of years ago? caller: a couple years ago, i was paying $60 every two weeks. now i am paying $50 per month. host: that is a big change. caller: i'm getting the same care. the only changes i had to make
were change some of my doctors who were selfish. host: thank you for the call. guest: it seems like a lot of what the law intended to do, making insurance more affordable for people, has worked out in your case. in other cases, as people point out, especially if you're healthier, younger, you might be paying more as part of these benefits can make the plans more expensive, or in some cases, just kind of subsidized sicker people. for a lot of people, you are getting some subsidy, or no longer discriminating against -- discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition. host: from other, texas, andrew. caller: good morning. i've a few points responding to prior callers. one -- i am a doctor of chiropractic here in
lubbock. one doctor called to say he did not get paid because a patient did not realize what insurance they had ended in the -- and it ended up being medicaid. they ended up knocking covered. that happens all the time. what they have to do is train their staff to verify what the coverages. that is a basic standard whenever a patient shows up in our office. whether it is private, through obamacare, or whatever company. you have to call the company and find out what the coverages. otherwise, forget getting paid. you will not find information on the card. number two. there was another caller who called and said, what do you expect when you take a free market system and impose this
socialism stuff. we did not have a free market system before. medicare was a federal program. medicaid was a federal program. the veterans of mr. shea is a federal program. all administered by the federal government. we did not have a private free market system. ronald reagan, before he was president -- when he was running against medicare -- he sent around an lp and said if medicare passes, we will have socialism, and one day we will tell her kids what it was like to be free. you know what, after he was president, he helped administer medicare, and we are still free. host: a lot on the table, we will get a response. guest: medicare is an interesting case where it has strong support on both sides of
the aisle, even though it is a government run program. it has kind of become immune in some ways, even with both parties criticizing each other for saying that they are cutting the program. you are right that medicare has become very protected. i think proponents of the affordable care act are hoping that at some point it can become more entrenched and reach a point where becomes less political and more of a bipartisan thing like medicare. obviously right now, that is very far off, and i'm not sure that will even ever happened. i think it is a hope for people who like the law. host: yes, no, or maybe. with the gentleman comment on the single-payer in the affordable care act 2.0? guest: it seems unlikely to me.
even the public option, which will basically be a government run option, as part of the aca that they considered when it was going through congress, that did not even make it through the law. you have some more centrist democrats who did not like that. the idea of having a completely single-payer, or government run health insurance system, a lot of people on the left would like that and argue would be better but it does not seem like that is something coming up soon. host: a caller from florida. gary makes this point on our twitter page, of course the color is paying less for her insurance, i am paying more. good morning. caller: my daughter is a medical resident, and this is slightly off topic, but there is debate as to whether the government will increase or decrease funding for medical resident
training programs through medicare. the feds than about $50 billion per year on education. where are the winds blowing on that? will be increase or decrease funding? i hope we increase it actually, but what do you think? guest: i'm actually not sure. that seems they can issue -- that seems like an issue that has not really been bubbling up. i'm not sure which way it will go. i would think that the medical school process is something a little more fath farther removed from the political battles. you may have a better chance there. host: matt is next, independent line, from st. paul, minnesota. caller: i just want to point out that i think the whole problem here is that the stuff is still
unaffordable. the reason it is unaffordable is because there are a lot of things written in the law to make anticompetitive, so it is expensive. guest: some people i guess would be looking for a system that is more competitive. republicans, for long time i have been looking to allow people to buy insurance across state lines, which they say would increase competition because it expands the market, i guess you have more choices from plans and other states. that is something that democrats have looked at and say, that is not really a solution to health care, the way the affordable care act is. it was -- part of the house version of the affordable care act included just one national exchange, instead of the 50 separate state run exchanges. it did not end up making it into the law. changes to the competition is something that people have been looking at. host: we are talking about the
state changes and the affordable care act. john from arlington, virginia, across the potomac, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i think that basically the whole system is too corrupt. there is nothing good that will ever come from it at this point. it has failed. this whole new exchange, and all this junk, the numbers are in. as far as employment tax on your labor which would because its usual, unlike this law. i think the supreme court is out of his mind. i personally think you could burn the supreme court down now along with the executive branch and legislative body. host: we will get a response. guest: there is certainly a lot
of opposition. some people really want this law to go away. republicans are hoping that after this 2060 election, if they can elect a republican president, and keep both sides of congress, they might have a chance to finally repeal it. even if you asked republicans now, they say, president obama will obviously not sign a peel repeal of the law. for them they 2060 election will be a referendum on this and if they elect a republican, they can move forward with repealing. host: some may argue that 2012 was a referendum, and the president was reelected. guest: i think democrats would point to that and say it was avoid a vote of confidence towards the law.
host: jackson, mississippi. the last, for our guest. caller: people used to going to emergency rooms and sitting for half a day will not call and make an appointment to her three weeks down the road for dr. like people do normally. central style soviet planning has never worked. that is what it is. we have to call it what it is. it is central planning. guest: you are getting to the point around emergency rooms versus other care, where it is an issue to teach people to not just show up at the emergency room, but go to the doctor. it is something that the administration is working on. host: we will look for your work
online at thehill.com. peter sullivan focuses on health care issues. thank you ray much for your time. we appreciate it. we will look for your work onlineon this mother's day, we want to turn our attention to the "mommy track." can you have it all, work and have a family? we will get the perspective from our next guest, lisa and the tender from an -- lisa and like heffernan. that will continue on this edition of "washington journal" on this mother's day." ♪ >> tonight on c-span's "q&awe will," k andersen brower on the white house through the eyes of those who work there. >> who are the thicklands?
, they are an incredible family, nine members of the family have worked at the white house. i interviewed the only current part-time butler. he may be the right now, he works every week at the white house. nine members of the family work there. his uncles were like the head butler, and he told me, my uncles ran the white house. they brought him in when he was 17 years old in 1959, during the eisenhower administration, and he is still working there. he describes how he would work in the kitchen, he was such a skinny little guy, they would give him ice cream to eat. it is incredible, he remembers what the eisenhower's were like. this dying breed a person, and he remembers that. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern and pacific, on c-span's "q&a." monday night on the "munich
years," we met up with author peter novak, who says we are in a new phase of human development and through robots and technology, we are likely to advance the human condition. >> 2014, i think was the year of robots. i don't know if a day went by where i did not see a story that said robots are stealing jobs from humans. the thing that i find that is a point that is missed is in every prior innovation, it has resulted in better jobs for humans. it is hard to imagine what we are doing 200 years from now, or
even 10 years from now. i think that history has shown that we will figure out a way to combine with robots to create new jobs again that were previously unimaginable. >> monday night at 8:00 eastern on "the communicators" on c-span two. >> "washington journal" continues. host: lisa heffernan joins us from new york city. she is an author, former ceo of goldman sachs, and mother. thank you for joining us on mother's day. guest: thank you for having me. host: you wrote a piece called why you regret being a stay-at-home mom and white was the most expensive decision you ever made. can you explain? guest: i worked on wall street and was pregnant. my life became untenable.
it became very difficult to manage my small children and my husband's career which to come out of the country quite a bit. there was really no flexibility in my job. i worked a job where you had to be there all the hours of the day. i left my house before my kids woke up, i came back home when my kids were ready to go to bed. i found that my nanny was raising my children really, but more importantly i made the decision i had to take some time off. it turns out that that trip that to work -- trip back to work is very difficult. host: a park, we have seen an explosion of technology over the past 10 years, does that put you and other working moms, who left the working place to stay home trying to enter the workplace? guest: yes. you can work remotely, you can
work from home more easily, some of those things have been more helpful. it is still just as difficult for women to get back into those high charging male-dominated, if i can call it that professions once they left. the numbers of those reentering those professions is very low. host: our phone lines are divided as follows. for those of you who work outside of the home, give us a call at (202) 748-8000. if you are a stay-at-home mom, of course you work full-time if you stay-at-home, but if you are not in the workplace, that number is (202) 748-8001. for all others, (202) 745-8002. as sheryl sandberg wrote in her book "lead in," how can you have it all? guest: a lot of woman, the way they are having it all is making arrangements. looking for flexibility, perhaps
a reef stint at home when the children are very very small. having it all means doing it all. until recently, women have had to mishmash their careers together themselves, biting her husband -- i think there has been a realization that if corporations want to retain women, they need to do something different. it is the mommy track. host: the track for women who want to succeed in the corporate world, about 52% or 53% are the initial hires but at the vp level, that drops to 26%, at the executive level, 14%. 62% are in staff jobs that rarely lead to a ceo title. women in ceo fortune 500 companies make up the single
digits 2-3%. guest: when i knew that mommy track was first put forth, 1990 women were already receiving more bashers degrees than they were men. we would have said to ourselves that time needs to work through. in 25 years, women will be equally representative at every level of management and at the ceo level. we have not found at all. as you mention, women are 5% of the four to 500 ceos. i think 25 years ago, knowing that women were getting more bachelor degrees then men, we would have thought that that would be possible. it is very clear that something needs to be done. one of those things is that in the period that children need families, there needs to be a more flexible career path. host: we want to hear from you.
the numbers will be on the bottom of the screen. you can also send us a tweet at @cspanwj. what about conversely a daddy track, if the father wants to stay home and the mom is a primary breadwinner? is there an analogy for fathers? guest: absolutely. one of the most excess will programs is that the lloyd -- at deloitte. they did something called mass career mobilization which allows men and women to the aisle down or dial-up at different stages in their career. if we think of the career as a long pass from the time we leave college and until we, think of it as a drive from maine to florida on interstate 95. if you need to pull off in york for a short amount of time, or in philadelphia, or should be a
very clear on ramp and a way to get your career going again. that goes for men as well. less than 20% of households right now have a single earning parent, perhaps a father earning and the mother staying home. that is a minority in this country. the majority of families are single-parent families or families where both parents are working. as you say, there needs to be a daddy track as well. host: we have a caller joining us from california. do you stay-at-home? caller: yes. i have been a stay-at-home mom for many years. i think things generally when it comes to families and home life, things have not gotten better. i think there needs to be someone -- kids cannot raise
themselves. someone needs to raise them. there was a study done on kids raised in a multi-child environment, like a day care. they viewed a as someplace where they got directions or when to is they needed something. whereas, children and the home, raised by a mom or dad, saw that relationship -- saw that dynamic as more of a relationship, where there was a relationship to be forged between the child and adult. i regret the whole women's movement that it was not more of a push to say, hey, this matters. this work of raising a child taking care of a home, it needs to be done, someone has to do it. you know, we need clean environments to grow in, and children need to be raised, care d four, and love. that needs be respected.
i think it is still not respected. it is even biblical in the old testament that who can find a virtuous woman? she sows garments to sell in the marketplace, took care of her family. i remind my husband, and she also had maids that helps out the two directed in the household. that is helpful, to have some help. i agree with the woman that there needs to be a flexibility but also, there needs to be respect for this function in society of the home and the family again. i do not think it has helped our society that that has been brushed aside. you even look at sitcoms and family television, there is never anybody cleaning. rarely do you see someone cooking. rarely do see someone teaching or disciplining a child. those very vital functions are
not viewed and our society, or showed in our society, or perspective. i think that needs to happen again. host: how many children do you have by the way? caller: two. two boys. host: thank you for the call. guest: i think one of the important points that the caller makes is that every family needs to do things in the way they believe is the right way for their family and their children. that is very individual. one of the early programs in creating a mommy track is that ibm. they have a program that they started in 1990 women have five years of. flexibility where they can work between 20-32 hours per week. if they felt that they needed to be with their children, as your callers suggest that she fi eels, they were able to keep their career going. ibm has a female ceo. when you give women options, you
find that you get women in higher positions. host: a comment from twitter, a business should be happy to have a talented producer, even if only part-time. guest: i think they are right. one of the things that companies underestimate is how difficult it is to retain -- how important it is to retain employees. vodafone undertook a study that showed it cost them more to hire new people then retaining employees. companies like vodafone are doing this partly because it makes them a good guy, it allows us to create family situations that we all aspire to, but more so, it is an and norm is cost
savings to them. if you can keep the retain women who are already experience, you have better employees and fewer costs. host: jen shared this comment that she worked for a large corporation, and her company had her back, i don't get mad as the company size. it's go to marry. -- let's go to mary. caller: i'm actually a stay-at-home mom, and i started my own practice. i am an attorney. i cannot leave my kids. like your last call is that who would raise my kids? ims supposed to hire someone to watch my children. i started my own practice. i do not go to the office if they get their home. i only go to the office if i need to meet a client, and i work from home generally.
nknk that is what we will have to do. women will have to figure out how to work from home and hopefully corporations well that us to work from home. i have six hours during the day where i am home, and my kids are not here. it is the perfect opportunity to work. it is not enough time to get downtown and get into i and office -- into an office. how is it working for you? caller: financially, it is working pretty well. but the flexibility and the life that was why i do it. i could not find a part-time job. i found a part-time job for a little while, but when jobs were eliminated, mine was the first to go. i think that was a mistake on my employer because i probably put in 75%.
they really got their money's worth for me and i did not get benefits. i think it is the stigma of all of our priorities are screwed up. she really wants to be home or needs money, but it's not. i do not want to do housework. i want to do law. i would rather be in court than doing laundry. or pay my neighbor or her cousin to come and pay my house. i just wish there was a little more openness to this. i think where we are going to go, women will have their own businesses. host: you use the word stigma. as we were their parent -- were preparing for this program, that is one of the things we talked about. do you really think there is a stigma of being at home? your employer frowned on that? caller: absolutely. it is a male-dominated field, law. most lawyers i know who are
women only have one or two children. there is a rare attorney who havs's three kids. it is not a family-friendly environment. i definitely feel that i was stigmatized as someone who did not want to work. also, i have a special needs son. i really felt that i really need to be home in these years. host: how do you respond to all that? thank you, by the way, for your call. guest: mary touch on some of the most important points right there. she is actually right. part-time work is stigmatized. part of the reason it is stigmatize is because women are having to create these situations themselves and negotiate with their bosses for a job share or a part-time position, rather than the companies from the top setting the policies saying, this is what it takes to keep women, and we want to he women, so we will create these jobs.
her job was the first to go because it probably was not the norm. once mommy track is more well-established, women are not fired for taking the mommy track. her point about signification -- about stigmatization is really important. when women leave these corporate jobs at large multinationals they do not stop working. they do exactly what your callers said, they work in smaller firms, they work from home, they sort of downgrade their career to make compromises for the family life. this is one of the reasons we're not seeing women rising in the corporate structure likely would . women are not stopping to work. that is not happening. they are taking a different career path, like your caller suggests. host: there is an increase of women as the bread winners the family. you can see the online from pew research. we will so show you that as we hear from leah. she works outside of the home.
caller: i actually a single mom. it is funny, i listening to lisa and i too took a downgrade from my job. my son needed help with homework, he was struggling in school. we were having some learning issues that we need a doctor's appointments for and take care of but he is getting older now. he will finish middle school soon i going to high school. i have finally starting to look at my career and seeing what the next step will be. can i start making more money and go back into the corporate world? right now i'm working for a nonprofit. i was wondering if the mommy track is something that companies are really embracing. how do you feel the economy is looking at it? how do you feel the big organizations are looking at this? do you feel they are embracing it and it will become more
prevalent? host: what is your profession? caller: i come from the marketing world, but now i am in social work. host: thank you for the call. guest: yes, i do think so. one of the things that triggered me to write the piece is the big change is that vodafone made recently. i think these kinds of changes will happen more more. a company like deloitte, who i mentioned earlier, is a company that has a female ceo at the helm. i think more more, we will see companies like ibm deloitte vodafone that have the kinds of flexibility, have women moving to the top of the executive pyramid. the answer is yes, i do think so. i think for a very long time, we were on to the misconception that women or parents could be
treated just like anyone else, and have the hardcharging approach to their career. for some families, that works fine, but for so many families they need the kind of flexibility you need in your family. host: in four of 10 households, women are the breadwinner. if you want to read more from lisa, you can check it out online at vox.com. cecelia joining us from washington, good morning to you. caller: good morning. i am like an oldie but goodie. i'm retired now, but went through the exact same issues. nothing changed or improved for women. i did not discuss it and i
carved out my own path wherever were two or three days per week in the hospital. i'm a physician. it works for me. -- worked for me. i would tell all women, do not jump out. that is -- like what you said earlier -- that is a mistake. then, you are out of the picture. sometimes i was more up-to-date than other doctors because i had a little bit of time when i was home to check on things and go to conferences, or whatever. what i'm saying is -- on the other hand, i had friends where the husband's last, and they had to work full-time. it does depend on your circumstances. if more people did part-time the mommy track would become
very important and it would be cherished, it would not be downgraded the way it is. i do not even like -- one of your caller said i did not want to do laundry. i do not think we should look down on anyone's job. i have respect for everyone, no matter what little task they have in life. we should have mutual respect. men then -- i see so many families where it is so sad, the father does not have a good job and is not earn as much money and the father will not become mr. mom. host: thank you for the call. your response? guest: what she is describing -- carving out a job for herself that is great if you can do that. the problem is when you make
that arrangement other employees may have resentment and the boss may have to retract. the best is a policy from the top where it is understood that it is a part-time solution when parents need some flexibility for a short period of time. pew conducted a study that shows that what she is expressing as her own opinion it is what most of us need. host: when you left goldman sachs in the 1980's, do you think that the company would allow you to have your job today ? guest: i had a particularly bad
job as far as like stability because i was trading on the markets. goldman sachs is one company that has created a lot more flexibility for employees. on-site day care, maternity leave. things like that. one of the difficulties with my job at the time is a lack of communication that now exists. yes, i would -- there would be great if i slowly in my job because of telecommunications that exist now. host: by the way, "washington post" has the best and worst countries to be a mom. carolyn is joining us from huntington beach, california. good morning to you. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: good morning. can you hear me? host: we sure can't. go ahead. caller: i'm calling because i worked as a teacher in one state, part-time -- more due to
my husband, he wanted to balance raising the kids and being there for them. it was a parental choice. moving to california, the state was unable to recognize any of my part-time work because it was just like a half hour under what they considered working. i had to do all of the begetting programs, i started with zero experience, i was unable to do any fast-track it into a job and therefore schools would not even look at me. i am currently working, but i have zero experience after having a years worth of experience. moneywise, i also had to do this program for beginning teachers that i did not need to do.
host: do you want to respond to that point? guest: very exc side of that happened. the only thing i would say -- and i do not noisy but state legislation -- as part-time programs become more common, i imagine things like that would change more. host: next is a caller from great britain. melanie is joining us from birmingham, england. good afternoon to you. caller: how are you? host: fine, thank you. caller: basically, here the u.k. , there is a policy of naming and shaming companies that tend to be anti-maternity leave. that has had great traction in the u.k. what it has meant is that new
companies are now forced to take note of what is the next generation. at the end of the day, the next generation when they are being born, they are the next consumers, the people who will be buying things, the ones who will be spending the money eventually when they grow up. they are the ones who will support the big companies and corporations. that has been highlighted in the u.k. i am wondering, has that been highlighted in the united states at all to get big business and the boardrooms actually recognize that if you keep on undermining the bottom, eventually they will stop making money themselves? host: we will get a response. thank you, caller. guest: i ask a have a couple of might children in england. i live there for a long time. what i will say is the maternity policy in england is much better
then in the united states. the united states does not have mandatory maternity leave and most countries in europe do. what you are talking about shaming companies that do not give women everything they need, it is easier when there is legislation that mandates paid maternity leave. host: you have three boys. what other ages? guest: i do. 23, 22 and 18. two of them i have an england. host: marinas joining us from california. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to be diplomatic about this issue. the subject that was raised, and the comments i am hearing, and the solutions make me concerned that america is more and more moving toward socialism.
i came from the soviet union with my mother. we has $72 into suitcases. first of all, she was a single mom. we did not even consider demanding something from employers or any organization to offset that situation. we did the best we could. i personally never felt any bad feelings when i was in them -- was an employee. i never, maybe it is a comparison to other countries, by never felt stop or prevented from success anywhere. when people talk about glass ceiling for women, i imagine it is true, by never felt it. i have a college degree in business etc. host: thank you for the call.
your response to? guest: one of the things that is important to make clear, and perhaps i did not make clear, it is in the company's best interest to create this mommy track. it is in their interest to have women come back after materna l leave with their focus on the job. the reason that vodafone created this policy is because they found that it would save them money. they are not doing this -- this is not state-mandated, this is not something they are doing out of charity, or doing because women and their company demanded it. they notice that 65% of women who left after maternity leave did not return. it is cost effective for them to retain those employees. there is a business imperative to doing this. host: when you hear the term
"mommy track," is that a positive term? guest: it is often viewed as a very negative term. it often was trying to get women at a lower track permanently. what we are seeing 25 years on is that some woman, and some men, need a slower, more flexible period of time in their career. it may just be a couple of years, very short, but by giving people that possibility, you keep them on the career path moving towards upper levels of management, where we hope to see women. host: where did you go to school? guest: i went to the rest of california, san diego, and to m.i.t. for mighty mba. host: dorothy is next, a stay-at-home mom. caller: good morning.
i stayed at home, but i am an artist, so i could work and be a mother at the same time. one of the points that were shouted down during the feminist revolution -- and i was very much for it -- was that there were women who were pushing for children. that is that they believed children were not treated as important and as an important job. i was very much shouted down by all of these women who had degrees, who were just going to move into plushy men's jobs. it was not a movement that sought a different philosophy. there were women who said that everyone needs part-time work and we need to take the raising of children seriously. look at what is happening with the riots. there is no connection between
taking children seriously and how do you reason? and you can still do a good job working part-time. i have not seen women come out in force for that issue. we were shouted down, the few of us who were speaking about it. told that we were not breeders and so many women who had degrees felt they could just move ahead and do it easily. i tell you, throwing the baby out of the bathwater. the best thing to keep in mind is that if you fight for children, and the need for children to be brought up properly and supervised, then you have a better chance of a new philosophy taking place that would put other things into
place. there has been no new philosophy out of men or women. i think men are working far too hard and it is a very consumer society, and they're not having the time to think. host: do you agree or disagree with door these points? guest: i think i disagree with one part. over the last generation, we have seen an enormous change with men with regard to child rearing. all of the studies about how much time men spend with their children show that it has virtually doubled in a generation. i think that that has helped women advance in their career. i guess change our view on parroting a lot. i guess change our views on marriages. parenting is not solely a women's issue, but a family issue. these programs offer flexibility are saying to employees, it is your decision personally how to raise your family. that is a decision that only a family can decide themselves, i
do not think an employee or government should be involved in the decision, but they should offer the flexibility to allow families to do what they need. host: "why regret being a stay-at-home mom," the essay by our guest, lisa heffernan. stephen is joining us from your. caller: thank you for having me. i think this is really justi a symptom of a bigger problem. we have too many workers and too few jobs. if the demand for workers was greater, they would offer more benefits. due to the high level of immigration, we actually have it in balance of workers and jobs. basically, i think that employers are not dumb. they realize that it is not profitable for them to do this.
if it was, they would offer more mommy career paths. guest: i think unemployment is about 5% right now. we are heading towards levels that we consider to be full employment. i think it is excellent triggering some of these things. in other words, employers feel that they need to retain particularly skilled and educated workers. they will do this more and more as our economy rebounds from the recession because they hope to keep employees. they are doing it because there is a a business imperative. host: yolanda from antioch california. caller: i think our children are around the same age. we have 19, 20, and 24. my husband and i made conscious decisions when we were going to have a family to look at career
paths. my husband took a night job as a bank manager so that he could do all those things to be a dad. i did entrepreneurship. i went to college, but the off the track so that i could participate in their lives. i think that was the best decision that we made. they are now -- one is in graduate school in educational psychology, one is in college and our daughter is at st. john's on an academic scholarship. we model ourselvese on people that we appreciated as parents. host: thank you very much for the call. we will get a response. guest: what she is suggesting is
very much reflected in the statistics. parents are spending more time both moms and dads, and particularly dads, with their children. people are making choices in their careers in favor of flexibility for their families. it has become a very important priority of the most recent generation of parents, and everything we know about millennial's suggest that that balance is even more important to millennial than it was to gen x or baby boomers. i think employers will have to work around that. host: for those women who do get on the offramp of a career and then reenter, what is the biggest challenge that they faced echo guest:? guest: they do not have credibility with their employers. this skill set may have become outdated their confidence may have taken a hit, and they have these holes in the resume that they feel the need to explain. more and more, there are
organizations helping women get on -- get back on track. women can actually go back to work -- what we would have thought of as an internship, but it is a return-ship. host: what advice would you give to your sons and their possible spouses? guest: i will talk for myself here, do not work away from your career. there are part time jobs worth their weight in gold. it is a whole lot easier when you have kept the pilot light on under your career. host: you can read the story at huffingtonpost.com. former vp of goldman sachs thank you so much for joining your story and your thoughts.
we will of course continue the conversation as we do every day at 7:00 eastern time. lanny davis will join us to talk about clinton cash, a longtime supporter and defender of president clinton and hillary clinton. he will be with us and our first hour tomorrow morning. russell moore will join us to talk about evangelicals in the 2016 campaign. and, for his fighters -- forest fires with tom martin. "newsmakers" is next. thank you for joining us on this mother's day. anyone who is a caregiver very happy mother's day to you. i hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend. have a great weekend. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
>> next, "newsmakers." than a senate hearing looks at how technology is helping senior citizens live longer and remain independent. been a c-span mother's day special presentation, with the children and grandchildren of personal ladies. -- of first ladies. host: this week on "newsmakers," we are joined from detroit by congressman sander levin democrat of michigan. the top democrat on the ways and means committee, which oversees trade, health care, taxes, and other issues. in studio, vicki needham of "the hill" newspaper. along with emma dumain of "roll call." vicki, go ahead with the first question. vicki needham: good morning, congressman. congressman sander levin: hey, good morning. ni