tv Key Capitol Hill Hearings CSPAN September 21, 2015 8:00pm-10:01pm EDT
presidential candidate and independent senator bernie sanders in new hampshire. later, more road to the white house coverage with new jersey governor chris christie. coveray governor chris christie. look at our upcoming coverage of pope francis's u.s. visit. u.s. pope's visit to the we have coverage beginning at with presidentve and mrs. obama greeting the pope. then the welcome ceremony for the pope as the obamas officially welcomed them to the white house. later at 4:00, the mass and canonization at the basilica of the national shrine of the immaculate conception. will beginverage
from capitol hill as pope francis makes history as being the first pontiff to address a joint meeting of congress. the pope will speak at the u.n. general assembly. later, the pontiff will hold a multireligious service at the 9/11 memorial at the world trade center. coverage of the profile visit to the u.s. live on tv or online at www.c-span.org. [cheering] >> focusing on jobs, national security. [applause] thank you.ders: thank you all very much.
for coming out on a beautiful do somethingg to very, very radical. are you ready for radical activity? audience: yeah! senator sanders: we are going to practice democracy. how's that? [cheering] senator sanders: let me begin by taking off my jacket. [laughter] [applause] senator sanders: let me thank melanie for her kind ,ntroduction. let me thank sean who is with the sheet metal workers union. what shawn understands and what i understand is we do not grow the middle class of this country uniont a strong trade movement and i am pledged to do everything i can to make sure that happens. [applause] and let me thank jeff.
jeff is one of the millions of unsung heroes who every day goes to work as a teacher. talk a lot about the great football players and the great basketball and baseball players of this country, we pay them huge amounts of money. you know what? we do not pay enough attention and we do not think people like jeff for the work that they do. nk peoplenot tha like jeff for the work that they do. [applause] announced our candidacy for a half months ago. and when i announced it -- four and a half months ago. and went i announced it, people were very polite, but no one
thought we had a chance to do anything. a lot has happened in the last four and a half months. and i think the reason is the issues we are talking about our issues that are resonating with the american people. needless to say, having gone all across this country and having talked to many people, i hear many remarks. people are very generous. one remark that stands in my mind, a young man in the west coast. he came up to me. he said, barney, thank you. you are treating us like we are bernie, thank you. you are treating us like we are intelligent human beings. [applause] you know, what a lot of politics passes for in this day and age, and encouraged by the media unfortunately, is a game of polling people, names, and .ttacking people every day
if i trip leaving the stage it will be a front-page story. the picture of me being facedown or if i were to start viciously attacking hillary clinton, it would be on the front pages. but i don't do that. do that because i think as a nation we have a lot of work in front of us in order to focus on the most important issues facing our country. and what democracy is about is laying those issues on the table, understanding that honest people can differ with us, have buterent points of view, debating those issues and seeing how we go forward in order to resolve them. thann't more complicated that, and that is what i have been trying to do in this campaign. [applause] so, the campaign is not about
how i am standing in the polls, although, thank you, new hampshire. we are doing pretty well here. [cheering] but polls go up and pulls go down. is how we take it a step further, and how we transform america in the direction we think it needs to go. [applause] so, let me just start off by telling you something i am confident no other presidential candidate will tell you. and this is sometimes hard for people to grasp or to feel good about, but it is the simple truth. -- it doesn'ters matter in a certain sense who is thered president unless
is a political revolution in this country of many, many millions of people who are up andtogether, standing saying loudly and clearly, i enough is enough. [applause] and i'm beginning to hear that all over this country. people say, wait a second. you know, this country belongs to all of us and not just to a handful of billionaires who can make huge campaign contributions . is the point that i make that no president -- not bernie sanders or anybody else -- can do it alone, is because of the following reasons. wall street, corporate america, the koch brothers, huge campaign
contributors have enormous power. and if you think that any president -- you sent me to the oval office, i could say to wall street, well, guys, i think it's important you start paying a tax on wall street speculation so are their kids 11 opportunity to go to public colleges and universities tuition free, and they will say, hey, bernie, that's a great idea! why didn't we think of that? you got it, man! we will spend millions to make sure that we have a tax on wall street speculation. and when i go to corporate america and i say, hey, maybe it's a good idea not to continue to shut down manufacturing plants in new hampshire and vermont and send our jobs to low-wage countries abroad, they say, listen, why didn't we think of that, bernie? fantastic idea. i will tell you what we will do
tomorrow. it doesn't happen like that. it does not happen like that. everybody in this room knows the only way real change takes place is when millions of people at the grassroots level come together and fight back. [applause] now the fact that we have an african-american as president of the united states today it -- it occurredur because some thought and died in the struggle to say we will end
racism in the united states of america. that is how it happened. [applause] obviously -- obviously, we still have a long way to go in combating racism, but that's how progress is made. we have made in norma's steps forward in terms of fighting sexism in this country because women from over 100 years have alliesp with their male and said, we are not going to judge people based on their gender. we are going to try to break down sexism in america and give all of our people in equal opportunity. it did not happen because we had a couple of good senators. it happened because millions of people said enough is enough. [applause] if you look at what has happened
-- and i'm not talking about 40 or 50 or 100 years ago -- if you look at what has happened in terms of gay rights in america, in the last 10 years, that is extraordinary. and that happened because people in the gay community stood up. they got arrested. they got beaten. and they worked with their straight alleys and they said, hey, in the united states of berica we are going to judged in the united states of america on our character and not our sexual orientation. [applause] is that if you look at history in general, american history, world history, that is how change takes place. so, what this campaign is about kind of uniquely -- yes, of course i am here today to ask for your support in the new hampshire primary. yes, i am here to ask for your
support to help me win the democratic nomination and im asking for your support to help make me president of the united states. but also what i am asking you is to be with me, not just for the election. you've got to be with me the day after the election. [applause] and that is because no president can do it alone. the powers that be are just too powerful. but at the end of the day, when millions of people stand up and fight back, we win. because while they may have the money, they may have the power, we have the people. and when people stand together, we win. [applause]
now, what i would like to do is take a few minutes -- well, actually longer than a few minutes -- to go over some of the issues that, to my mind, are the issues on the minds of the american people. then we will stop. we will take your questions and your comments. to my mind, it is important for that wes to understand live in the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. that is where we are today. most people don't know that. why don't they know that? ory are too busy working two three jobs. they are too busy being one of the 45 million people living in poverty to really know that. they do not know it because almost all of the new income and wealth is going to the top 1%. inequalityand wealth
has got to be brought out into the open and we are going to address this issue. [applause] here is the simple truth. the united states has more income and wealth inequality than any other major industrialized nation on earth and at any time since 1928. in america today, the top 1/10 of 1%. 1/10 of 1% owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%. today, 58% of all new income and created -- you know, people working crazy hours, long jobs, seven days a week, 58% of
all new income created is going to the top 1%. in america today, you got one family. walmart,n family of owning more wealth than the bottom 49% of the american people. in my view, that is a rigged economy, not an economy that works for american workers. it has got to change. [applause] and this campaign is sending a message to the billionaire class. it's a simple message. it is a straightforward message, and that is you cannot have it all.
[applause] you are not going to continue to get huge tax breaks when children in america are going hungry. cannot continue to send our jobs to china and other low-wage countries when millions of americans desperately need decent paying jobs. you are not going to continue to give the ceo's of large corporations huge compensation packages at the same time you cut the wages and health care benefits and the pensions of your employees. your greed is going to end, and we are going to end it for you. [applause] but it is not only the grotesque
level of income and wealth inequality we have got to address. we have to put these issues on the table because if we are not discussing them, we are not going to resolve them. i think everyone who is fair-minded understands the economy today is far, far better than it was when george bush left office. all right? that is a fact. [applause] you know, i saw the republican , painfully, for three hours. quite amazinglly to me the kind of amnesia of these guides have. every problem in the world -- it's too hot, it's too cold, it's raining, it's not raining -- it's all barack obama's fault . it's unbelievable. i never knew that one person had
so much power to create so many problems. they seem to have forgotten. i don't know why it is. maybe they suffer short-term amnesia. they seem to have forgotten that when obama came into office we were losing 800 thousand jobs a month. 800,000 jobs. and these guys are like, well, we are growing 175,000 jobs a month -- not enough. yes, true, not enough. but it is a hell of a lot better than losing 800,000 jobs a month. [applause] these guys worry about the deficit. serious issue. that they forgot to tell us -- i -- that whenow why bush left office we have the largest deficit in the history of the country, 1.4 trillion dollars. much lower today than it was then. forgot to tell us when bush left office, after all of the trickle
down economics, after all of the deregulation, the american and world financial system was on the verge of collapse. were worried you would stick your credit card into an atm machine and nothing would come out. economy obama inherited, and we should not forget that. [applause] but let's also be honest. and acknowledge that for the 40 years,ears -- 4-0, under republican leadership and democratic leadership, what we have seen in this country is the disappearance of the american middle class. young people don't know that because they live in the world of today.
many of us who are older do see the long picture. what we know today is that almostfamily income is $5,000 less than it was in 1999. workers ist male making some $700 less in inflation-adjusted income than he was 42 years ago. women are making $1300 less today than they made in 2007. how doesn't happen when you have thatplosion of technology despite all of that people are working longer hours for lower wages. and my answer is that we are an economy not
to make the rich richer about to expand the middle class. [applause] started off with a jacket. got rid of that. this leaves are going up. i will probably take my shirt off in a few minutes and it will be quite a show. i wouldn't do that. i don't want to embarrass the other guys here. [laughter] let me talk about another issue that does not get the full discussion it deserves which is the issue of unemployment. every month the government comes out with a bunch of statistics on unemployment. the one you mostly see is official unemployment which is about 5.1%. wrong withhat is
that? where is that an adequate any guesses? good. it does not count people who have given up work, looking for work, and it does not include the millions of people working part time when they want to work full-time. there are a lot of people in that category. what is called real unemployment in america is over 10%. the second point which we do not talk about at all, and i'm trying to push discussion on it and i'm not getting much help from the media here. that is use unemployment. asked theweeks ago, i economic policy institute to do a study for me. a kid graduated high school -- not a dropout -- between the ages of 17 and 20, if that kid is white real unemployment rate
is 33%, hispanic 36 send, african-american 51% -- hispanic 36%. for high school graduates all over this country we have turned our back on kids who want to stand up on their own two feet, get out, get a job, become adults. we are saying, sorry, there are no jobs for many of you. that we segue to another issue of a norma's consequence that we also don't talk enough about. i hope every person in this room knows that we have more people in jail they on any other country on earth. did you all know that? china, an authoritarian communist country -- they are not all that liberal, you know. are three times our size. we have more people in jail than china.
what is the correlation between high youth unemployment and ?ncarceration we have kids here in new hampshire, vermont, hanging out on street corners getting themselves in trouble, doing drugs, etc. it makes a lot more sense for this country to be investing in education, in jobs, rather than in jails and incarceration. [applause] just think for a moment. billionending about $80 a year keeping people behind bars. varies may be about 60,000
dollars to keep someone in jail for a year. think of the money we could use to work with them. you will not drop out of school. you are not going to be hanging out on street corners. we will be saving taxpayers money. it's the rational approach. that's the thinking we have to go forward with. [applause] when we ask ourselves -- how does it happen? you have people working to, three jobs trying to cobble together enough income and health care to take care of their family. how is that? answer is fairly obvious. all across this country, millions of people are working for wages that are just too
download. that's the fact. that's the low. fact. [applause] get out your calculator and start multiplying the minimum wage. times 52$7.25 weeks. it's not enough to take care of a family let alone one person. ae minimum wage today is starvation wage. it has to be raised to a living wage, $15 per hour, over the next several years. [applause] it is not a radical idea to say that if someone works 40 hours per week in this country that they should not be living in
poverty. tied to another issue raising the minimum wage and that is that i sincerely hope that every man in this room will stand with the women and fight for pay equity with women workers. [applause] there is no rational, economic reason. it is just based on a history of sexism that women today are making $.78 on the one dollar compared to men. when we raise the minimum wage and when we have pay a quitting, what we will also do is give some hope -- when we have pay equity, we will give some hope to single moms were struggling desperately to raise their kids
with dignity. that's what we have to do. when you see single moms raising kids and you see how hard they work, it's quite amazing to me. hampshire, you have, for better or worse, and a lot of and some of them are republicans. you have heard, no doubt, time republican candidates concerns about family values. right? family values. they stay up nights worrying about family. all of you know what they mean by family values and what they americathat women in
should not have the right to control their own bodies -- i disagree. [applause] and what they also mean when they talk about family values is that our gay brothers and sisters should not have the right to get married -- i disagree. [applause] i have four great kids. and one of them is here right now. i have seven beautiful
grandchildren. jane and i have been married for 27 years. and we believe strongly in family values and strengthening values. our views are a little bit different than the republicans. i start off when i talk about family values demanding that we end international embarrassment of being the only major country on earth that does not guarantee paid family and medical leave. [applause] we are the only major country -- the only one. what does that mean? today in new hampshire and vermont, all over this country women are giving birth. you know what an extraordinary moment in your lives that is -- unforgettable.
it's also a pretty big day for the baby. [laughter] but --ifd here's the that mom and her family have sufficient financial resources, she will stay home and do what a mom wants to do which is to spend time with her babies, getting to know her baby, love her baby, on her baby. too and whathere, is the most important time of a human being's life. but if that mom does not have the money. if she is low income or working-class, what she is forced to do after one week or two weeks is put that baby aside and go back to work in order to earn enough income to take care of the family. forcing women to separate from their newborn babies is not a family value. [applause]
it is, in fact, the opposite of a family value and that is why i will fight for united states joining countries all over the world in guaranteeing at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave. [applause] call in the pollster says what's most importantly on your mind? usually the answer with a four letter word -- j-o-b-s. they know if you are in a worker you could be replaced tomorrow by a younger worker for half the
wages. they know if you are a college graduate it's really hard to find a job answer it with your education. -- commiserate with your education. they know if you are a dropout it's very hard to find any work at any wage. when you have real unemployment in this country of 10%, youth unemployment off the charts, what i think is we need a massive federal jobs program to put millions of people back to work. [applause] we should not be firing teachers. we should be hiring more teachers. [applause] we should not be firing
childcare workers, firemen, or police officers. we should be hiring more of them because we need them. and perhaps most significantly we have an infrastructure in america, roads, bridges, rail, airports, water plants, wastewater plants that in many parts of this country are crumbling. they need an enormous amount of work. when you have millions of people who need work and an infrastructure that's crumbling, common sense says we invest in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and create millions of jobs doing that. [applause] let me also say a word about an issue that is not so sexy but is
an obviously important. not only should we be creating millions of new, decent paying jobs, we have got to prevent the loss of millions of jobs as a result of our disastrous trade policies. [applause] you are looking at a senator and former congressman who has voted against nafta, permanent trade relations with china and will help lead the opposition to this disastrous transpacific partnership. [applause] anyone who wants to take a hard look at the economy and anyone who wants to know how we rebuild the middle class, how we lower property rates, how we put people to work with decent paying jobs has got to take a
hard look at wall street. know,treet, as all of you through their greed, their recklessness, their illegal behavior, jerome this country into the worst economic downturn since the great depression. millions of people are still feeling the impact of what wall street did. here's what's interesting. the congress, against i vote, because aol wall street they were "too big to fail." if they went down, half the economy would go with them. today three out of four of the largest financial institutions in america today are significantly larger than they were when we build them out because they were too big to fail. largest banksix in this country issuing more than two thirds of all credit
card and over 35% of all mortgages. that type of concentration in wealth and power is not a positive thing for our economy. teddy roosevelt, the old trust buster, was alive today, he would say break them up. i agree with teddy roosevelt and that's exactly what we've got to do. [applause] the large financial institution is too big to fail then it's too big to exist -- end of discussion. [applause] now, i am often asked. ernie, you talk a lot about issues. what is the most important issue
out there and it's impossible to delineate just one issue, but i will tell you one issue that is unique in that it impacts every other issue that we face as a blunt aso let me be as i can be in telling you what i think most of you already know. as a result of the disastrous supreme court decision in the citizens united case, the american political system -- and advisedly, hasds been totally corrupted and the foundations of american democracy are being undermined. [applause] i wish i could sugarcoated. i amot be as blunt as about this issue, but it's just
the simple truth. here in new hampshire and my state of vermont, since the inception of our states we have had town meetings and rooms like this. people come together and they argue about the school budget, the roads, and then they vote. one person, one vote. that's called democracy where i come from. we have now is a result of this supreme court decision where they said to the wealthiest people in this country, ok. you already own much of the economy of america so now we will allow you to own and by the united states government and that is precisely what they are doing now. what that means is that virtually every presidential andidate has a super pac the reason they have super pac's is that millionaires and billionaires can spend unlimited sums of money on those campaigns.
and then on top of that, you the the koch brothers, second wealthiest family in america, a family that wants to and a social security, and medicare and medicaid, the environmental protection agency spending in this election cycle some $900 million. than either money the democratic party or the republican party will spend. when you have one family spending more than either of the two major political parties, my friends, you are not looking at democracy. you are looking at an oligarchy and that has got to change. [applause]
i have not made many campaign .romises so far there is one i want to repeat to you and that is no nominee of mine for the united states print court will get that position unless he or she is hot and clear in saying that they will overturn citizens united. is loud and or she clear in saying that they will overturn citizens united are. [applause] now, we are in a school here in an elementary school in new hampshire and i know that every person in this room in new hampshire and throughout this country is very concerned about education. we livenderstand that
in a highly competitive global economy. we all know -- it does not take rocket scientist to figure it out -- that if we do not have the best educated workforce in the world but it will be very hard or our economy to grow, be strong, create the kinds of jobs we want for our kids and grandchildren. it is beyond comprehension how we have a situation today where hundreds of thousands of bright, who have young people the ability to go to college, who have the desire to go to college, cannot go to college for one simple reason -- their family lacks the money. for those who want to make it in the middle class become engineers, scientists, doctors, teachers.
i will fight to make sure that every public college and university in america is tuition free. [applause] it's not just because countries we're competing with around the world are already doing it or just because it or 60 years ago in america it existed but i'm going to do it for the kids in this elementary school here in seabrook, new hampshire. [applause]
what does that have to do with a kid here in the fourth grade in seabrook or my hometown of burlington, vermont? i will tell you. i grew up in a family where my mom and dad never went to college. kidsver america you have with low income working class kids and they don't know anybody who did go to college. the idea sitting here in the fifth grade that they might someday go to college is about as distant as the idea that they may go to the moon. today is to say every child in america with her you are in fourth, eighth, sixth grade if you study hard, if you take school seriously, if you do well in school -- yes, you will
be able to go to college regardless of the income of your families. [applause] it will change the attitude of millions of children in this country who will now know if they study hard they will have a good future. when we talk about higher education, there's another issue we've got to address and it's the absurdity of millions of people in this country, young and not so young, who are struggling under horrendous levels of student debt. sense for it makes no people to be carrying interest rates on their student date of 6%, 8%, 10% when they can refinance their homes at 2%,
three percent, 4% and our legislation will allow them to do that. [applause] i talked to many people who are paying 20% of their income in student debt who cannot buy a car, buy home, sometimes cannot get married or have kids. that's a crazy. we need to leave our planet habitable and healthy for our children and grandchildren. [applause]
i speak to you as a member of a member of the senate energy by saying the scientific community has decided very clearly that the debate is over. climate change is real. climate change is caused by human activity. climate change today -- look at the wildfires in california, the climatee in pakistan -- change is already causing devastating problems in our country and around the world. if we do not get our act together the situation will become much worse in years to come. if weientists are saying continue business as usual, by the end of the century, imagine this, the planet earth will be
5-10 degrees warmer than it is today. more drought, more floods, more extreme weather disturbances more rising sea levels, more international war and conflict as people fight for international resources to grow their crops. in my view, we have a moral responsibility to leave the world, work with china, russia, india, all over this globe to energy efficiency and sustainable and -- sustainable energy. [applause] campaigne themes of my
has been to that the american people to think big, not small. innot get in the mindset which we debate whether we cut to geton by 2% or 4%, not into the mindset of whether we do this little thing were that little thing, to understand that in the wealthiest country in the history of the world if we stand together there is nothing that we cannot accomplish. let me give you one example. the united states of america today is the only major wealthy country on earth that does not guarantee health care to all people as a right. we are the only ones. [applause] now, i voted for the affordable care act and it has done a lot of good things. significantly increased the number of people who have health insurance. we've just and down the numbers
of uninsured. we at the end of the day, still have 30 million americans without any health insurance and many of you who may have insurance have high deductibles and high copayments. that, the end of all of as a nation, we and up spending far more than any other country per capita on health care. in my view, the united states of america should guarantee health care to all of our people as a right. we can do it in a cost-effective way by moving toward a medicare for all single-payer program. [applause] if every other major country on
earth can do with, we can do it as well. we can spend less per capita on health care than we currently do. i'm the ranking member of the democratic opposition on the budget committee. thent to take the second talk about values which is reflected in the federal budget which then goes to the appropriations committee. some of you may know, but most of you do not, the nature of the republican budget that passed the congress. time when 30 million americans still have no health insurance they voted to and of the affordable care act, make throat cuts in medicaid, 27 million people off of health insurance.
they have no response. not one of them. you will notice in the recent thete nobody talked about fact that 30 million americans have no health insurance. more are underinsured. it's not their concern. and then when you talk about the republican budget at a time when millions of working class families are struggling to figure out how they will send their kids to college, republican budget over 10 years cutting health grants by $90 billion. and then, when you talk about the reality that millions of families in this country where the breadwinner is making $10 an hour cannot afford to feed their family adequately, republican budget cut nutrition programs
including the program for low income pregnant women and their ofies by many billions dollars. and then to add insult to injury, to tell you really what their priorities are of the republican party, after cutting health care, education, nutrition they provided over $250 billion in tax breaks to the top 0.2%. brothers and sisters, those are not the priorities of the american people and we will not accept that. [applause] and then when you have many republicans, including a number
of presidential candidates, coming before us telling us we have to cut social security, let me tell you that i will not cut social security. we have millions of seniors trying to survive on $13,000 per year. in fact, what we are going to do is lift the cap on taxable income and expand social security benefits -- not cut them. [applause] as i mentioned earlier, as a nation, i believe we have made significant progress in ending racism in this country, but there is no doubt in my mind that we still have a very, very long way to go. when i talk about racism, i'm not just talking about a very
walks into aho charleston, s.c., prayer session who prays with people in the room and takes out a gun to kill line of them because of the color of their skin is different than his. not even talking about the hundreds of groups in this , whose, hate groups whole function and existence is to promote hatred against jews,, gays, immigrants, catholics, anyone who is different than they are. i'm also talking about the sad truth that for many, many years you have unarmed african americans killed while in police custody. that is unacceptable and that has got to change. [applause]
we need major, major reforms in criminal justice in this country. i was the mayor of burlington for eight years and i worked very closely with our police department and the vast majority of police officers in this country work hard. many of them are underpaid, overworked. many have crazy schedules which impact their families and they are trying to do their best under very difficult circumstances, but like any other public official, when a police officer breaks the law, that officer must be held accountable. [applause] when we talk about creating the nation we must become, in my view, we have to understand we have 11 million people in this
country who are undocumented and, in my view, we should not be demagogue in this people. we should not be attacking them in a vicious language. we should not be calling them rapists and criminals when the vast majority of them are hard-working. in night view, what we need to do in this country is moved towards comprehensive immigration reform and a path towards citizenship. [applause] all of you know -- i wish i could tell you differently but it's the truth -- we live in a very crazy, complicated, dangerous world. turn on the tv and you see things that make you nauseous. cutting off people's heads, turning children into sexual
slaves. horrible, horrible things. you -- anyone who says they have a magical solution to these problems is not telling you the truth. heard what george w. bush and dick cheney and donald rumsfeld had to say about iraq back in 2002. i listened to what they said. i analyzed to what they said and i concluded that they were not telling the truth. [applause] and that is why i voted against the war in iraq. [applause] i am not proud or happy to tell you that if you go to youtube or my website and read what i said back then about my fears of what would happen in terms of the destabilization of that region,
a lot of what i said turned out to be true. right now, we have another global situation, foreign policy situation. i believe it's imperative that notron not get a -- iran get eight nuclear weapon. what we've got to do is everything we can to achieve that goal without going to war. [applause] and that is why i strongly with the president and secretary kerry have negotiated but i think a great nation like ours should do everything possible to resolve international conflict without
going to war understanding that war is the last resort not the first resort. [applause] of you sanders: many been very patient. it's probably a topic there as it is a year. let me conclude by saying this. we are the wealthiest nation in the world, we are a smart people and an incredibly hard-working people. some divide ust black orther we are white or hispanic or asian, if we do not allow them to divide us up into whether we are a man or woman whether we are gay or whether we are straight whether we're born in this country are born somewhere else, when we
stand together there is nothing that we cannot accomplish. everything that i've told you, this is not utopian, this is stuff that exists in many cases in other countries around the world. what we've got to do to make pleasehings happen engage in a political revolution which says that millions of our friends who don't know who have given up on the political process, they have got to get involved they got to start standing up and fighting not only for themselves but for their kids and their parents. [applause] senator sanders: that's all. that's what a political revolution is about. in saying no and not asking her to spend as much time discussing
the important issues facing our country as we do worried about the newington patriots. i would not ask that of you. that is too much. but at least let's reach out to our friends and say we are fighting for the future of this country let stand together and make this political revolution. thank you all very much. [applause] senator sanders: thank you.
who has the mic? let's take a few questions. >> i first want to thank you for all of the great things you have done for our country. senator sanders: thank you. i'm a student in new hampshire and i will be voting in the next election. one of the things that matters most to myself and to a growing generation of younger voters of millennial's is internet privacy. i'd like for you to share your thoughts about the national security agency and surveillance. senator sanders: thank you. excellent question. it's funny. vermont and new hampshire on issues of civil liberties and
privacy, i think we feel very strongly. stronger than many other parts of the country. i've honestly heard people say i don't care. i'm not a terrorist what do i care. i think that's a pretty sad statement. i think the privacy rights, the right to know that you can live your life read whatever you want to read, that's your business it's not the government. by the way it's not just the it's not corporate america's business as well. they have more information [applause] i want you tos: know couple of things. it is clear to everybody or should be the technology as far outpaced public policy. you know that this little thingamajig here enables somebody to know exactly where i
am at this moment. that's a fact. between the governments intercepting of your phone calls and logging them and between corporate america knowing everything you buy and maybe getting into your medical records in your banking records, i think we've seen a huge invasion of civil liberties and our constitutional rights and american privacy. let me just say this to you. number one you are looking at a guy when it was not popular, this was after 9/11 i voted against the usa patriot act. and that was not popular. i voted against the reauthorization because i believe -- do i believe the terrorism of the real threat to this country? i surely do.
there are people who want to hurt us and we have to do everything we can to protect our people, but i happen to believe we can do that without undermining the constitution of the united states and the privacy rights of the american people. there is an enormous amount of work that has to be done public policy has not kept up with technology. technology is exploding every single day. in my view, the american people should be allowed to live their lives without the government and corporate america knowing as much about them as they currently do. >> i came from pennsylvania to help with your office opening in manchester and before i go home
i just wanted us to a very important question. we talk about the importance of overturning citizens united. functions the same way did in 1700s by having representatives who represent corporate interests, we today have the technology to represent ourselves in the legislative office by simply logging onto do you think the key to a political revolution to overrule citizens united is to bring congress into the 21st century by allowing people to represent themselves directly in the legislative process? think it's ars: i little more complicated than that to be honest with you. technology andat social media and the internet have radically transformed the nature of american society.
from a very personal point of view, my campaign would not be doing as well as it is if we were not communicating with many millions of people through social media. i would answer your question in saying i think we've got to expand the ability of the american people to communicate with their members of congress and as president i would certainly do that, but i don't think that you can just run the government through the internet. i'm old-fashioned enough to believe we should be electing people to represent us. [applause] >> i'm a little fashion to. i wanted to talk about the idea of disenfranchisement and helping people vote. one of the suggestions that has been said could be done is to have a day off on election days to working people could get to the polls and vote and set of having to give up their days pay to be able to go vote.
another suggestion would be to investigate the motivation call theat i would disenfranchisement movement of keeping people from voting which seems to be taking hold in a lot of different places. unlike you to address that if you could. senator sanders: you're right on both counts. we have introduced legislation to make voting day a national holiday. we done that. we have one of the lower board -- voter turnouts of any major country on earth. a lot of reasons for it, but clearly in every way we should try to make it easier for people to participate in the political process not harder. you are very kind and your second question about what we call voter suppression. questionable it is not
hard to understand why certain states i.e. republican states with republican governors and republican legislatures are in fact making it harder for people to vote. i will tell you. office, i have to go out to the people of my state and tell them what i believe. it has never once occurred to me to figure out a way to make it hard for people to vote because they might disagree with me. that's cowardly. for all those governors and all those legislatures who are figuring out how you can make it if youfor people to vote
don't have the guts to defend your political ideas get a new job. [applause] >> good evening. thank you so much for coming. this is a question regarding something very dear to me and i believe extreme important to the future of people in this country and across the globe. as a member of the biology community doing research at harvard medical school, i was wondering what specific ideas you have for policies to increase awareness education and especially funding for scientific research and especially for medical research. one of theders:
dismaying thing that is going on in congress right now a congress which is controlled by a very asht-wing republican party they prefer to give huge tax breaks to the very wealthiest people in this country rather than invest in education and in scientific research. if we look at medicine america where we are today we know that if we don't get a handle and try to come up with some kind of effective cure or treatment for alzheimer's were going to be spending unbelievable sums of money. we know we are seeing a next lotion and diabetes and and other illnesses. i think obviously both in terms of trying to save lives prevent suffering, and by the way let me throw in another issue maybe not your issue of another issue mental health issues. we have a huge mental health crisis.
investing in trying to understand the causation of those illnesses and figure out ways we can treat them is that human and smart thing to do. and by the way saves us money. the last point i would make on that i want everybody here to know that in america we pay by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. of five americans go to the doctor of the doctorate superscription and you can't afford to fill it. what sense is that? we've got to demand that we have legislation. to make sure that the pharmaceutical industry in this country stops ripping off the american people. couple more.
i just came up from boston. i'm a student at northeastern. one of the things i'm most worried about is that my debt is going to be massive in five years. every year my tuition a $63,000. for private institutions across america, tuitions are ridiculously high and i appreciate the fact are trying to make up against three. but i'm currently worried about's private loans. the interest rates are ridiculous lehigh, monthly to be a .26 and am one of the lowest of my friends. it can go up to 25. senator sanders: this is insanity. i gather the question is working to do about it. everything being equal, you will ande school deeply in debt
pay an 8% interest rate and probably pay 20 to 25% of the income that you're earning when you leave school. it's going to tire hands as to what you can do in your life and limit your opportunities. i have talked in my state to a young woman whose crime in life was that she went to medical school and just our primary care physician working with low income people. exactly the kind of doctors that we need. her death was $300,000. crisis inmajor dental america. not enough dentists, not affordable dentistry. i talked to a young woman in iowa, left dental school $400,000 in debt. there's a lot that we can do. let me summarize by saying you should not be paying 8.2% interest rates. if you go outit and get home and you want to refinance your home you can do it at two or 3%.
why should you be second eight or 10%? what our legislation does two things. number one it says to you is go out and get the lowest interest rate that you can they will be a hell of a lot lower than 8.2%. you will be frozen. number two the federal government should not be making ifens of dollars in profits we do those two things, it will substantially lower yours -- total student debt, what you have to pay off. burning your to make public colleges and universities tuition free and lower student at, how are you going to pay for that? it's expensive? it by puttingr attacks on wall street speculation.
when wall street crashed the middle class in this country bailed them out. it's wall street's turn to help the middle class. last question. >> i'm from massachusetts. as an engineering student, i right now to know there's a lot of jobs out there that require two years of experience for you to be able to get hired and i would like to know what's your opinion on that, when you think we can do to fix the problem is a lot of students for them to be able to they had to go and get an internship and a lot of those
internships are hard to get because there's a lot of competition and there's a lot of people going for those positions. i would like to know what is your opinion on that? senator sanders: let me tell you this. on the issue of internships, in many ways it is a modern form of explication. and i will be honest with you. i did not fully appreciate that until a few years ago. sis you.ndicated me on here's the story and i think it's relevant to your western. if a person comes from a family can has money that person in turn for nothing make contacts learn what he or she has to learn right and apply for a job. and they say look i interned here and you get hired.
have appens if you don't lot of money? are you going to be able to do an internship or zero pay? you can do that. what i learned from that. we change our policies in washington. we have interns in my senate office. those -- most interns in washington are paid zero. we now pay them the highest for justany office that reason. not the 12 bucks an hour is high on the hall, but at least they while getting their internship experience. let me thank you all for being our here this morning. it's good discussion, we have in enormous amount of work to do. stand a very good chance of winning here in new hampshire with your help.
we cover is on our website. >> wisconsin governor scott walker today announced he's dropping out of the race for the 2016 republican presidential nomination. his speech announcing the end of his campaign was four minutes. governor walker: thank you for coming. i want to say on behalf of our family, we want to extend our sympathies to the family of wisconsin supreme court justice brooks, we want to pass on our prayers and sympathy to him and his family, certainly his wife and children and his extended family.
we'll have more to comment on that in days to come. as a kid i was drawn to ronald reagan because he was a republican and a conservative. most of all, i admired him because of his eternal optimism in the american people. that thought came into my head when we were all standing on the stage at the reagan library last wednesday. ronald reagan was good for america because he was an optimist. sadly, the debate taking place in the republican party today is not focused on that optimistic view of america. instead, it has drifted into personal attacks. in the end, i believe that the voters want to be for something and not against someone. instead of talking about how bad things are, we want to hear how we can make them better for everyone. we need to get back to the basis -- basics of our party. we are a party that believes that people create jobs, not the government.
and the best way to grow the economy is to get the government out of the way and build it from the ground up. we are a party that believes that the way to measure success in government is by how many people are no longer dependent on the government because we believe in the dignity of work. we are the party that believes that strong military leads to peace through strength and that will protect our children and future generations. that good will ultimately triumph over evil. we are a party that believes in the american people, not the federal government. these ideas will help us win the election next fall and more importantly, these ideas will make our country great again. to refocus the debate on these ideas will require vision. as i was sitting in church
yesterday, the pastor's words reminded me that the bible was full of stories of people called to be leaders in unusual ways. today i believe i'm being called to lead by helping clear the field in this race so a positive, conservative message can rise to the top of the field. with this in mind, i'll suspend my campaign immediately. i encourage other republican presidential candidates to consider doing the same so voters can focus on a limited number of candidates who can offer a positive, conservative alternative to the current frontrunner. this is fundamentally important to the future of the party and more importantly to the future of our country. this is a difficult decision. so many wonderful people stepped up to support our campaign. we are very thankful for the
many outstanding volunteers and the excellent staff who helped us throughout the campaign. you all have been like family to us. speaking of family, i want to personally thank my wife who has been a rock as well as our two amazing sons, matt and alex. i thank my parents and my brother david and his family and all our other family and friends for the love and support. most of all, i want to thank god. i want to thank god for his abun -- his abundant grace. win or lose, it has always been more than enough. thank you. >> governor chris christie sat down with an interview with w mur. he spoke about the 2016 raise and his experience as governor. this is 25 minutes. commitmenta wmur
2015 special with financial support from save the children action network. now, conversation with the candidate. tonight, new jersey governor chris christie. [applause] >> good evening and welcome to our conversation with the candidate series. our guest is governor chris christie. tonight, we are getting to know governor christie and where he stands on the key issues. after the break, we get to our studio audience for their questions. before we start with that, we get a quick look at the candidates biography. >> chris christie was born in 1962 in new jersey and grew up in livingston. has lived in the state is entire life except in college at the university of delaware. graduated fromhe the school of law and joined a private firm. he was elected as a freeholder
in morris county and served as director of the board there. he was and u.s. attorney for the district of new jersey in 2002. inwas sworn in as governor 2010 and was reelected to a second term. reform social security, medicare, medicaid, and the criminal justice system. he also would like to create a new tax system and make college more accessible.peers joined on the kind intro by -- he is joined on the campaign trail by his wife. >> let me start with the expectation. in 2012, you were the republican savior for this party and now you're stuck in a very crowded field. governor christie: i decided not to run and i felt very comfortable with the decision in 2012. you never know what's going to
happen in politics so now we have 17 people in this field and it's crowded and you have to work hard but no one gets to be president without working hard. i'm certainly not allergic to hard work. >> the bridge thing. you were never implicated but do you think that is still hurting you? governor christie: it certainly did at the time. news coverage the for anyone new the facts. after three different independent investigations, they all said the same thing, that i have no involvement and i did what leaders do. you are accountable. it happened on my watch so i fired the people who appeared to be uncivil. i set new standards in terms of checking on these things and then move on. it's 50,000 people working for you and you cannot know what each person is doing every day. did it hurt me at the time? sure.
especially because the media coverage was so bias and wrong. but you live with it, he move on and here i am running for president. host: how often are you asked importance of public integrity and trustworthiness? governer christie: i'm a former u.s. attorney and in my time, we prosecuted 130 public officials without a defeat. them people know my record on that and how strong it is. in new hampshire, no one asks. me about that. host: you are running a campaign based on telling it like it is. there's a candidate in this race you feel like your messages getting overshadowed or exploded to a certain degree? he is taking up a lot of the oxygen.
is making it difficult for the rest to break through? governer christie: sure. it always make siddharth if any one person in the race is getting the overwhelming majority of free media attention. in exit harder but let's take a deep -- it makes it harder but let's take a deep breath, it's early. it will be a lot of time for people to get to know all of us and make the decision about not who's the most famous are entertaining but who is going to be the best person to lead a misled that has been so that we need a new one that will shoot straight and tell us what we need to hear and lead and not be afraid to make hard decisions. for you, telling it like it is sometimes includes telling the truth that hurts. to sayingviously open all kinds of different things when it comes to different topics about how you feel.
in this giant field, was going to separate you heading into the home stretch of the primary? tax reformmerican came out a report that said iv job more income tax increases as governor -- that said i vetoed more tax increases as governor other official in the country. i said no to taxes come no to higher spending, cut 800 programs to balance the budget. that is what people will get to know about me. we have a very conservative record in new jersey. person whoy has put forward a detailed plan. greecen our way to being and we need a strong leader who will say no. host: we will talk about that
and more over the course of the next hour. we will give it to the audience. stay with us. welcome back. tonight's guest, governor chris christie. time to bring in the audience for their questions. first question from laura. >> what message do you want to convey in the primaries to distinguish or separate yourself from the rest of the field? governer christie: first off, i governed in one of the bluest states in america. when you are a governor in a red state, that's easy. i would give my right arm to have one week like that. taxese've done is lower
on businesses that has helped to create 192,000 new jobs in the state. who performed teacher tenure, so great teachers are protected and bad ones are fired. all of that was done, including reforming pensions and health benefits, with a democratic legislature. i am battle tested for washington dc. provider who controls congress, they will not make it easy on the president. thing people are frustrated about is no one works with each other. i stood by my principles, i've done things that are right, but have the experience of working with democrats to get things done. in my state, if i don't work with the democrats, i will be sitting alone a lot in the statehouse and that's not what
happened in new jersey. that makes me a little different than the other governors running and certainly the people in washington, d.c. governor.ou, my question is about social security. if you are elected, how would you protect social security and strengthen it for future generations? governer christie: i'm the only candidate that has put a plan on this. harvard and dartmouth came out with a study that says social security if we do nothing will be bankrupt in 7-8 years. here's what i say we need to do. we are all living longer lives. is that these programs were built for people when they passed away in their 60's. it's a blessing, let's raise the
retirement age. i say raise two years and one month a year, an increase for 25 years. l think anyone will end up being hurt by that -- i don't think anyone will end up being hurt by that. and i don't think the very wealthy should be getting social security. if you make over $200,000 in retirement income a year, that means you have $5 million saved. i don't think you should get social security. we social security is insurance for people love worked hard, paid into the system, to make sure they don't grow old in poverty in our country and have to choose between rent and heat and food. if some of making $200,000 a year, do they really need a social security check? the alternative is what mrs. clinton wants to do which is to take the cap off of social security taxes.
if you want to give government more money, this is the same government that told you they would put this money in a trust fund. they spent all that money already. you have two ways to solve a problem. that's benefits or more revenue. why would any of us want to give the u.s. government more revenue? i wouldn't and the fact is we are trying to go that is people make a lot of money. if you have that much money set aside, god bless you. you did great by our family and your country did great by you. we will let those people not get the benefits rather than giving the government more money. if we give them more money, they will find something to spend it on. over $1.2 save trillion over the next 10 years. race a big topic in this
next topic -- in this race. >> you said you'd like to appeal and plays obamacare. can you tell me what your plan will look like and how you would insure low income families don't lose access to health chemical really receive? governer christie: i think there's no way the government in washington, d.c. should be running a health care system for the entire country. let's take our states for instance. we are the same size. have 1.3is state, you million people. and the state, 8.9 million people. the differences in those states on health care are really stark. in new hampshire, a lot of the problems with health care and access is by distance. you cannot get to the type of waste you need to. jersey, we tripped over a hospital every four miles. they are everywhere.
our access problem is cost. idea is let's get rid of obamacare and mandate that each state come up with its own plan. that works for its state. think the new hampshire might unnecessarily work for new jersey. they are much different than what you have been in wyoming or montana. greatercan have a effect on it. you cannot figure out was going on in washington but now we trip over hospitals in new jersey. over state representatives in new hampshire , don't you? you have the influence than to be able to go to them and even the governor and say this system isn't working for me. the access point for you is to make sure everyone has access. we need to develop that kind of system in new hampshire and in
new jersey, ours is almost entirely based on cost. when they go to the emergency room's, they get that care because they don't get consistent care so let the states run this thing. all the powers the federal government have are listed in the constitution. i don't see health care listed. let's let the states do it. i even trust governor hassan to do it the right way. i will trust her on this and the legislature. host: a lot of people in the system under the aca. is it realistic to scrap the whole thing or are there parts that work that can be managed? governer christie: i think it's right to scrap the whole thing. if the states decide they want to keep certain portions, that's up to the state. but then they can that decision. the federal government should not be big footing into this area. givinglly believes that
more power and more money to washington, d.c. is a good idea? host: thank you. let's go to social media now. peter wants to know what is your problem with legalizing marijuana? governer christie: i have a few problems. it's against the law now. so this is a part of the lawlessness of the president. there are certain laws he doesn't like and so we doesn't enforce them. he doesn't change the marijuana laws but he says don't follow them if you don't want to. i know the old i took -- oath i digress governor to say i would enforce the laws of the state, not the laws i like.
if people want to change it, they have to change it through the congress. it's a gateway drug. i'm standing here in new hampshire with an epidemic of drug abuse. we have young and old dying every day and we know marijuana is a gateway drug and it affects your brain and productivity and we know it leads to other drugs often. why do we want to legalize something? does that mean two wrongs make a right? palm is it hurts young people, older people. it's not necessary. we have an medical marijuana program and i allow that to go forward and treat people who are suffering. that's different. what i think that question is about legalizing it for recreational use. i'm against it. get high nowent, because we go back to enforcing the law.
host: the heroin epidemic in new hampshire is a very serious issue. you talk about the success you've had in new jersey. do you think candidates need to be talking about going to the source of the problem, which is across our borders somewhere because a lot of people in new hampshire see this everyday. governer christie: at the border, we need to embed agents with our border patrol to try to interject guns and drugs from across the border. but let's be honest. the biggest problem is a demand in the u.s. if demand was not so high, it would not be profitable to send over here. forew jersey, we've said first-time nonviolent drug offenders, not dealers, but people charged with possession, that we don't incarcerate those people anymore. we say you go from mandatory
inpatient treatment because we want to change lives. i want to save lives in my state and we need to treat these people. it's a disease. my mother was a lifetime smoker. she knew from that in 64 forward that smoking was bad. she continued to smoke and she got lung cancer when she was relatively young at 71. no one said to us go treat your mother, she's getting what she deserves. yet we do that with people who are dated to other drugs. we say they made about decision by there's no one in this audience who hasn't made a bad decision, a judgment you wish you could take back. we need to treat these people. if we given the treatment tools, we can save lives. we not incarcerating our way out of this problem. our prison population in new jersey is down 31%.
try to find another state where you see that happening and recidivism rates or you have 16%.courts, we can make a difference and i'm president, we will have a drug court and every federal district court in this country so we can stop putting people in jail and get them on the road to recovery. is from maureen gates. one -- what the big would you do about isis? governer christie: i wouldn't ignore them for a number of years like the president did. this is the same president that said we will have a reset button with russia. here's what happened. now they are invading ukraine and the taken crimea. first, we have to understand and
learn from our lessons of iraq. i don't want the was to be an occupying power in the middle east so let's start first with our allies there. want this fight. they want to take on isis. let's train them all the way down the battalion level unless give them the best intelligence we can get. because isis is everywhere. it's not like going after a nationstate. and let's use the air force to soften up the targets. i wouldn't say i would never use american troops. we may have to so they cannot come here but that should not be our first resort. we should let the allies on the ground help them to fix the problem and the last part is the need a president who knows when he gives his word, he's going to
keep it. when he did use chemical weapons, the president said never mind. allies cannot count on you and the enemies don't fear you. if i'm president come allies will know america is their friend. host: take a couple minutes to talk about your plan. governer christie: there are four steps you need to take to secure the border. first is to build fencing or wallowing in appropriate places. i'm not a guy who favors a wall across the border. it doesn't make sense and it never seen a wall or fence that has deterred a human being. areas particular, you ing. fencing or wall
and what i said about agents on the border. and we need to use surveillance in the most remote parts of the border to send information back to the agents so they know where best to send human intelligence and border patrol agents. fourth, remember what's happening here. unlike with hillary clinton, these people are not coming over the border to vote and become citizens. they're coming here to work. if they knew the only way was to come legally, they would stop coming. we need to find businesses in a big way who don't use e-verify. is partness community
of the problem. they want cheaper labor to make bigger profits. higher americans and legal citizens. do not hire illegals. we're going to secure the border and move on to do with the rest of the legal immigration issue. host: we only have a couple minutes left. i want to end with brian's question. >> governor, how can you assure voters that once you get into the white house and office, that your campaign promises and policies will become programs and laws when you're faced with the inertia, the partisanship, and politics in washington and on debtu comment may be reduction as an example of how he would embrace that? host: about two minutes. governer christie: two minutes
to solve that problem. let's do it. you have to look at our record and what we've done. i don't think as a governor in this country who has operated and more hostile territory and i've not used it as an excuse for not getting things done. do you know how many private sector jobs we grew in new jersey in eight years? zero. we came in and that a $2.3 billion tax cut and we cut spending. we balanced a budget with an $11 billion deficit and we did it by cutting over 800 programs. and we got things done with the democratic legislature. you need to take a look at what you've done before. more important than that is he have to be willing to work with congress. i will stand up to them when i need to but you also develop a personal relationship important and governing. it's not an excuse any longer to closed on the government. do your job. that means developing
relationships. it's stunning to me to find out the first time speaker boehner has ever been on air force one. this president has them working with him for nearly seven years. i don't care who the speaker is, come to camp david, sit in the oval office, whatever you want to do. we have to get in know each other and work with each other. on a debt reduction, only two ways to lower the debt. spend less and grow the economy. you are not going to cut our way out of this. we have to do both. we have a detailed plan on growing the economy and look at what i've done in new jersey. we have spent $2.5 billion less on general fund spending today than we did in fiscal year 2008. that's less actual dollars. try to find another state where that's going on.
i done it before and i will use my persuasion to get it done again. time weat's all the have but keep in mind this conversation continues online. morel find 30 minutes questions from our audience. thank you for watching and thank you to governor christie from being here. [applause] >> on the next washington journal, we take a look at the pope's visit to the u.s. washington journal is live every morning at seven :00 a.m. eastern on c-span and you can join the conversation with your calls and comments on facebook and twitter. next, a conversation with
lincoln chafee. he was a republican and is now running for president as a democrat. he set down with an interview mur in new hampshire. >> this is a commitment 2016 special with financial support from save the children action network. now, "conversation with the candidate." tonight, former rhode island governor lincoln chafee. host: good evening, everyone. welcome to our camera station with the candidate series. tonight we're getting to know governor chafee and where he stands on all the key issues in this race. i will be asking the candidates questions and then we go to our their takeence for on this.
before we start, a quick look at israel graffiti -- at his biography. >> lincoln chafee of a degree in classics from brown in 1975 and attended montana state university and worked as a blacksmith. islandeturning to rhode for he worked in manufacturing, he served on the city council and was elected mayor and was reelected three times. in 1999, he was appointed as a republican to the u.s. senate. in 2000, he was elected to a full six-year term and was elected governor of rhode island as an independent in 2010. he is running for president as a democrat and believes in removing certain loopholes and tax cuts for the wealthy and working to reduce greenhouse gases. he is married and has three children. host: good to see you.
horseshoe in school. how did that happen? mr. chafee: i worked construction in the summers in college and i wanted to get a trade so i saw an ad for the horseshoe school so i went to the school and did well and went off shoeing harness resources. about 5000 horses in my career. host: that is unique in the presidential field no doubt. let's talk about your campaign. outside of the region, a lot of people are unfamiliar with lincoln chafee. why are you running? mr. chafee: i care about the future. i have three children and i care deeply about where we are going i have been and mayor, a senator, and a governor. i'm the only one that has that local, federal, and state
experience. ethicale had high standards, no scandals. the experience, the character, and the vision of having a more peaceful world and bringing resources home and working together with our u.n. partners and that's my vision for the world. host: how do you break through in a field with the national front runner and according to some polls, bernie is leading. martin o'malley is working very hard. how do you break through? mr. chafee: it's a long process. history shows -- john kerry really wasn't going anywhere until the very end. people weren't putting him in the picture in 2004 and people start to focus in december and january and if you have a good record with what you've done and public service and your
character and vision for the future, i think that will eventually sift through to the voters and get momentum in those states. of thehat d make possibility of joe biden entering? mr. chafee: i think he's going to get in. dynamics are changing with the front runner and different issues occurring but we will see. i welcome everyone to the race. i heard from new hampshire voters and people were saying i'm glad you're running, we want choices. so it's another choice. host: let me ask about our political history. how did you morph from becoming republican to democrat? mr. chafee: i never change on the issues. i've been pro-choice my entire career, antiwar, for the environment, for social programs. that hasn't