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as part of our spotlig on magazines. you can join our conversation on phone, facebook, and >> the great state of wisconsin. [applause] >> with our victory tonight in sevensin, we have now won out of eight of the last caucuses. [applause] ♪ the wide margins of victory over their front running rivals in wisconsin last night. ted cruz and bernie sanders breeds new life into their respective presidential campaigns. breathe
life into their respective presidential campaigns. resultsreaking down the , digging into exit poll numbers and getting your thoughts on what the wisconsin primary means on the road to the white house. our phone lines are open. republicans can call 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. .ndependents, 202-748-8002 a special line for wisconsin voters, 202-748-8003. you can catch up with us on social media come on twitter http://twitter.com/cspanwj and facebook. both donald trump and hillary clinton had a chance to put away their rivals.
99% reporting from those constant primary best from the wisconsin -- reporting from the wisconsin primary. 57%, hillarys at clinton at 43%. while poll numbers are important, the delegate map is even more important. the delegate count from last night come on the republican side, ted cruz won 33 delegates. 3 thre rump won delegates. 45 delegates., 31 delegates.n, here is where the total delegate numbers and stand right now. will trumpet 740. -- donald trump with 740.
john kasich with 143. hillary clinton with 1743. bernie sanders with 1056. those include the unpledged superdelegates. those elected officials who get votes. if you take the numbers without the unpledged superdelegates, it becomes a tighter race. hillary clinton with 1274 and bernie sanders with 1025. win, 2383.needed to wisconsin, paper in "the wisconsin state journal." victory,ders claimed momentum. here's the front page of "usa
today." runners. blunts front a picture of ted cruz getting a hug from scott walker. there is bernie sanders with his wife, jane, waving to supporters. the front page of "the washington times." sanders gets closer to contested convention. the front page of "the washington post" this morning. a reset on both sides. cruz declares his dominant wind a turning point. here's a bit from ted cruz last night. [video clip] wisconsin, a state that just three weeks ago, the media had written off, three weeks ago the me just said was a perfect state for donald said was adia perfect state for donald trump.
the hard-working men and women of wisconsin campaigned tirelessly to make sure tonight was a victory for every american. [applause] >> four very different states. utah, colorado, north dakota, wisconsin. four victories. host: that was ted cruz last night talking about the all-important ther delegate mat. we will go through the calendar for you. most important, taking your calls. you can call in this morning to talk about the wisconsin primaries. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000.
independents, 202-748-8002. badger state voters, 202-748-8003. we start in ohio with thailand calling in on the line for republicans. -- diane calling in on the line for republicans. thank c-spant to for taking my call. i just think this is outrageous. , the gopole state one ofan work to block their candidates regardless of who that candidate is, i think it is a travesty. governed by the people come of the people and for the people. obviously, the people don't count. i believe in fairness, i believe everyone has the same, level playing field and it should be
that way in every state. this was not a win for ted cruz. this was dirty pool, blocking donald trump. i think it is horrible. people's voices aren't being heard, the republican party is fractured. there will be no republican party by the time this has ended. they have about to block tromp in every state from here on in. how is that fair political strategy? --tever happened to the days i'm dating myself, i'm 73 years old. i campaigned for john f. kennedy when i was 17 and cannot vote. i was a tried and true democrat for many years and then switched to the republican party. i'm just blown out of the
woodwork. i have zero faith in the gop party. zero faith in our government as a whole. god help united states, is all i can say. dirty deals and backdoor deals and this "block tromp" stuff. trump" stuff. what if they decided to block cruz? host: a statement last night after the results came in. there was a trump campaign statement as reported by "washington post."
that is from the trump campaign last night. we are getting your thoughts on "washington journal." gainesville, virginia. democrat. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for taking my call. i'm a supporter of bernie sanders. i fully endorse his version for this great country. i used to be a supporter for
clinton. the more i read into them, i 's areed clinton millionaires is supported by the millionaire class. change this to country. travel 35 miles every morning to washington, d.c. to go to work. sometimes come it takes me three hours to travel 34 miles. says we should spend trillions to build our infrastructure and put our people to work. why not? that's exactly correct. the lady who called just before -- america is no longer by, for and of the people. it is the billionaire class.
that is the point of bernie's campaign. please read about bernie's campaign. bernie sanders was in wyoming last night because wyoming is holding its state democratic caucus this coming weekend. 18 delegates will be at stake on saturday when wyoming caucuses. he gave us comments about wisconsin, his victory in wisconsin from wyoming. here is a bit from that speech last night. [video clip] >> i'm headed to new york. [applause] about thea little bit office. i spent the first 18 years of my life in brooklyn, new york. [applause] >> please keep this a secret.
do not tell secretary clinton, she is getting a little nervous and i don't want her to get more nervous. i believe we have an excellent chance to win in new york and a lot of delegates not state. -- a lot of delegates in that state. [applause] >> and then, we are going to head after some other states on the east coast come out to the west coast. we all have an excellent chance to win in oregon and california. [applause] >> and i think a lot of these superdelegates are going to be looking around them saying "which candidate has the momentum? which candidate is
bringing out huge numbers of huge'--and creating which candidate can bring out large groups of people?" we will win in november if there is a large voter turnout. the mcreynolds and progressives win when there is a large voter turnout. republicans win when voters are demoralized. this campaign is giving energy and enthusiasm to millions of americans. host: bernie sanders talking about the road ahead for the campaign. all eyes turned to new york now because of how many delegates are at stake there. 95 republican delegates at stake.
291 democratic delegates at stake on april 19. the next big primary day after ,hat come in the last big one connecticut, delaware, maryland, pennsylvania and rhode island boat, 229 republican delegates up for grabs that they, 462 delegates for the democrats. vote, 229sland republican delegates up for grabs that day, 462 delegates for the democrats. go ahead, darrell. mistakesrump made some at the start of all this. he made some mistakes like with taking off the week before the wisconsin primary and allowing the media to control them.
the wisconsin vote come if you look at the exit polls come it doesn't make any sense. the wisconsin vote, if you look at the exit polls, it doesn't make any sense. ted cruz is one of the biggest free traders in washington. he wanted to increase the visas by 500%. he raised more wall street money than any other candidate, including hillary clinton. ,e has a foreign-policy team his foreign-policy advisers are full of neocons and warmongers. ted cruz should be easily marginalized as a candidate because he has such a horrible, horrible record. with the trump campaign hasn't cruz's talk about ted record on trade, foreign-policy and his wall street connections and his connections to goldman sachs.
his wife works for goldman sachs and pushed for a north american union where you have open borders. ted cruz would not even go after china when it comes to currency manipulation. why wisconsin would vote for ted cruz doesn't make any sense. you mentioned the exit polls. the new york times" citing exit polling. on the issue of government spending, ted cruz won 51%. terrorism, ted trump's 50% to donald 36%. we will keep going through the exit poll numbers for you throughout the first hour of the program today.
we especially want to hear from wisconsin voters. 202-748-8003. where maxndependents is waiting in essex bill, michigan. caller: i think last night's results show bernie is a much stronger candidate. the people are not giving him credit for it. hillary is a much weaker candidate than a lot of people are recognizing. whole campaign's is based on her candy sending view toward a lot of the voters -- condescending view toward a lot of the voters. they don't care what the superdelegates say, they don't care what debbie wasserman schultz says or the rich donors
say. the voters are sick of the status quo and sick of people like hillary clinton that defend the status quo. i think bernie will do well from here on out. if bernie is not the nominee, it will be very hard for democrats to win in november. here's a few fundraising numbers to sort through. bernie sanders raise more than hillary clinton in march, marking the third straight month that his fundraising has topped hers. raising $109s million to hillary clinton's $75 million. hillary clinton before that had straightin three fundraising quarters. hillary had about one million total donors, bernie sanders with about 2 million total donors.
up next in philadelphia, pennsylvania. republican. 70%er: i'm pretty much everything trump has to say, i'm against it. it doesn't make sense, but he is right about one thing. he is not being treated fairly by the press. example, like what's happening is these local television stations are the recipients of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of really vile anti-trump adds pulling a lot of viewers because they are so outrageous. is somethingip that is important to the local television station because it
increases the fees they can get for advertising. all that political advertising in terms of fees they get is something that encourages them to air these ads. , all theok at c-span people who carry these local stations who are running these anti-trump adds are on c-span's board of directors. cox committeeble, can's, they are getting billions -- coxansmission fees communications, they are getting billions in transmission fees for these anti-trump adds. host: how would you change the system? do you think there should not be political ads that are run in the campaign cycle? you had a guy from "the
milwaukee sentinel" on. large stakes in local television stations who are broadcasting this anti-trump stuff. he is not going to go against his own executives and officers in the milwaukee sentinel. when you introduce the people like this, you have to expose the conflict of interest. you have to also say that your board of directors may have a conflict of interest. indirectly, they are receiving so much in retransmission fees from the stations airing the anti-trump adds. you should investigate this. i looked into it and it looks to me like trump is right. he's getting a really bad treatment from the press, including c-span. host: how would you fix the system?
should there be no advertising allowed -- caller: i would simply have a caveat, when you, c-span, give coverage to these anti-trump adds, whether it's his picture z, you have to qualify it and say we have a conflict of interest here. we are going to put it out, but i want you to know that our c-span coverage may not be -- is probably biased him a to some extent because our board of lamb, susan,ryan you guys are getting $4 billion a year in salaries. your board of directors getting rich by the anti-trump adds -- swain andand susan this guy, kennedy, are getting billions from them.
host: we bring this information to our viewers to let you decide. that's why we try to have this open forum here. rodney in booty, maryland. bowie, maryland. democrat. caller: as a lifelong democrat, i am a hillary supporter. we had to be realistic. we live in a divided country where many of the proposals from bernie sanders would never see the light of day. congress, they hate government as a general rule. when you look at college tuition being free and all these other items that bernie sanders is not being he is realistic because we live in a divided nation with a republican
congress that would never pass any proposals. that's why i'm sticking with hillary. what troubles me about the trump supporters, 500,000 people who voted for ted cruz yesterday did not have guns to their heads. they decided to vote for ted cruz. i don't understand why whenever trump loses, he blames everyone else except for himself and his message. that's my comment. host: one other wisconsin paper to show you this morning. sentinel."e journal shaking things up. june is up next in wisconsin. independent. caller: good morning. we have this new voter id thing. i'm a registered voter, i get to
the polls and the guy is flipping through the book and he cannot find my name. he says, you will have to register all over again and stand in the registration line. it was extremely long, so i left. rightis something not because i knew i was supposed to be in the book. he said they cut off at a certain something or whatever. that was very disappointing. trumpody is not down on -- he is right about one thing. ,he constitution is very clear you have to be a natural born citizen. ted cruz is not. we know the supreme court will push around the words in the constitution.
a well regulated militia means everyone can have a gun. i don't know where that came from. it is ridiculous. what is going to happen if ted cruz gets the nomination? he cannot be president. we know the supreme court does strange things. i'm hoping for the best. drop voter id if they are not going to do it right. that is insane. i had my id, i was supposed to be registered already. god bless us all. a special line for wisconsin voters this morning following yesterday's primaries. 3 is the number for you to call in from the badger state. jordan in maryland. line for democrats. caller: i just heard a man call in saying he was a hillary supporter, saying he was impressed with bernie but
thought his proposals are too progressive and will not gain any traction in congress. don't have that negative attitude and don't forget that we have so many congressional seats up for grabs this year. bernie is so much more authentic than hillary. just say that he cannot get his ideas passed in congress, so let's both for somebody who may or may not believe the things they are claiming to believe. hillary is not authentic and i think the penama papers are going to prove that all of bernie's about this 1% and the billionaire class are true. a lackason why we have of tax dollars to fund the ideas bernie has because we have so money people hiding their tax dollars and
corporations getting government subsidies and hiding their income. we cannot afford ideas like bernie has. they are part of governments all over the world in developed nations and we are running this billionaire class -- letting this billionaire class tell us we cannot do these things and it is not true and we cannot buy into that. host: jordan in maryland. a few of the exit polling numbers on the democratic side. sanders-clinton dichotomy appeared and result in which the candidate seen as more inspiring -- more picked sanders, 59% -- nine in 10 identified sanders as honest and trustworthy.
twice as many democratic voters and said they are excited about what sanders would do in office as seaid the same about clinton. bernie sanders mining men yesterday in wisconsin. that's winning men yesterday in wisconsin. can see bernie sanders with wide margins among younger 18-29-year-olds, he won by 81%. hillary clinton doing better among older voters. independents where joe is waiting in north charleston, south carolina. caller: i would like to respond to brian who had some comments a while back. he made some good points.
is still the best deal going, let me tell you. "washington journal" and c-span is the place where people can call in and express their opinions. you might have a personal agenda, but you don't express it. it is a real no spin zone. host: we try, joe. what did you think about last night? they had more republican turnout last night that democrat turnout. what does this mean? it may mean nothing. i've been following this from the start. virginia, michigan, florida, had more republicans because of john kasich. does that spell trouble for the democrats in november?
maybe, maybe not. we know who is responsible for the record turnout. it is donald trump, except for maybe last night. mean florida will go with their 29 electoral votes go ind in november -- red november? ohio -- tedchigan, cruz beat hillary? i don't think he can. donald is the main reason people are turning out. if they pull any kind of nonsense at that convention, we will sit home. that is a sad commentary, but it could happen. young people like bernie. everyone wants to go to college for free.
i'm 62 years old and i've never gone to college. with all the millions of people who want to go to college for free, who decides who gets to go? you know everybody is going to apply. you have to come up with a better plan than that. i think this may spell trouble for the republicans in november based on the republican turnout in states that went blue in 2008 and 2012. barbara is up next in conway, arkansas. good morning. caller: good morning. cruznk the only reason ted won last night was because of the super pac putting all those negative ads in and the governor making speeches for him.
everybody is against trump. i am a democrat. but i voted for trump. because we need somebody in that will do what he says he will do. the republicans that have sat there for eight years and done nothing. ridiculous. i don't think we need the super pacs going in and buying all these anti-trump ads and putting them out to turn people against trump. the republican party needs to concentrate on doing their business in congress. obamassing that guy that
put up for the judge. instead, they're putting him off because they're too busy trying to get rid of trump. host: you mentioned scott walker's support for donald trump. scott walker not the only former presidential candidate who has endorsed ted cruz. here is ted cruz talking about the endorsement he has received from other candidates. [video clip] >> we are winning because we are uniting the republican party. of the 17 candidates who started this race, a terrific, talented, dynamic field, five have now endorsed this campaign. [applause] >> rick perry and lindsey graham and jeb bush and carly fiorina.
[applause] and wisconsin's own governor scott walker. [applause] >> when you toss in senator mike lee and mark levine -- [applause] >> we've got the full spectrum of the republican party coming together and uniting behind this campaign. host: ted cruz last night. we want to hear from you this morning, especially from wisconsin voters. 202-748-8003. bruce is on that line in cambridge, wisconsin. a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. nice to speak with you. those democrats in
wisconsin who was not allowed to vote yesterday. the reason i was not allowed to vote is my social security card not "bruce" but ." iis are so bad, i've never noticed. eyes are so bad, i've never noticed. i went to get the card, they look at everything and said this "s all fine except or this "l that somebody typed into your social security card. by that basis, they would not let me vote. i've been voting at the same station in the same town in every single election for 28 years. in a small town where everybody knows me, they sign -- they cash my checks.
they know my face, they know my name. so, i'm pretty upset. i called the governor's office and told them off. host: who were you trying to vote for? .aller: bernie sanders proudly at the age of 68, it's about time we had his revolution. bigeople cannot think enough to dream about revolution, then america really is gone. hopefully you get that issue taken care of before the general election. here's some more papers from wisconsin. press" hasbay sanders, cruz claim victory as the headline. also, papers from around the country as well. sanders and says he is the headline in usa today.
clinton still has the map. th, thoset of that ma superdelegates, elected officials and the democratic party, party leaders who get delegate votes as the convention -- at the convention. superdelegates, hillary clinton has a wide lead 469.0 some of those superdelegates are coming under pressure to change their vote to say they are voting for bernie sanders instead of hillary clinton ahead of the democratic convention. here's the story in the wall street journal about that superdelegate pool coming under pressure. -- amitment from colorado congressman from colorado
acknowledged the pressure on him to change his position in a state where bernie sanders handily won the democratic caucus. he is part of the delegate count to keep an eye on as those superdelegates may start shifting in light of the momentum that bernie sanders seems to have. theie sanders has won 6 of 7 states since march 22. idaho, utah,s one washington and last night in wisconsin, bernie sanders with another win. columbus, ohio. mark. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for having me.
last night's results in wisconsin proved to me that money is still the ruler of america. conservatism is so out of style now. the one thing donald trump has said that i basically agree with is he has never met a man that flexible. he may be successful. bernie sanders supporter. hurting donalds trump right now because he does not have enough to fight all the money. , they sayocratic side tell people what to do, hillary clinton will be the next is what they've been
saying for four years now. hillary is not to be trusted. we need to get away from hillary. hillary clinton is all about money, too. it's a shame that's what america is about. if you have enough money, you can have whatever you want in america, including the presidency. host: donald trump with an active twitter account. that donald trump's twitter account has gone dark. nothing since 13 hours ago. hillary clinton on her twitter page last night, congratulating bernie sanders on his win.
congrats to bernie sanders on winning wisconsin. looking ahead to the primaries down the road. going back to that chart we showed from "wall street journal" about polling numbers, donors for the bernie sanders campaign versus a hillary clinton's campaign. sanders had doubled number of individual donors to hillary's last month. that speaks volumes. in youngstown, ohio, ann is a democrat. good morning. caller: i've never seen such a divisive campaign. i'm a baby boomer. i have a lot of conflicts here, and i met progressive. -- i am a progressive.
hillary has taken women and the -- ted cruz isas a reaction here. ball.is a nut he cannot run government like a business. come on. trump has a business and he tells these people what to do, you know? -- i likee a conflict sanders, i agree with everything he's said, but can he win? i think the pac money has destroyed the political system.
is the truest candidate. he is raising so much money -- i heard kerry last night on charlie rose. awesome. people don't understand what is going on in the middle east. obama's take on all this. it was just fascinating. i think the american people don't do their homework, they don't find out about things. and they vote on soundbites. i'm really concerned if cruz were to become president, it will be the end of all the progress as baby boomers have made -- us baby boomers have made in the last 40 years.
that is my comment. thank you. host: good morning. go ahead, ben. caller: i really admit that i'm a liberal conservative. cruz, canadian crazed cruz is probably wasting his time if we go by the constitution. germany if anybody from can hear us this morning. tearing down that wall effect you? keep out the to mexicans -- liberal means means thatnservative
his quote. -- means a status quote. everybody's comment on that -- inrd "social" australia outcome if you want to be a doctor or carpenter, if you you havetest and prove enough intelligence, you can go to college for free over there. sanders, who i think will be our i don'tt, hopefully -- think it would be sensible to put everybody into college for free. australia. these young kids going to college, a lot of them are just going there for fun.
human nature takes over and we've got all these people that have a problem with having an abortion because human nature takes over. host: a few programming notes on where the candidates will be today in c-span's coverage of the candidates, john kasich is holding his ohio state of the state address today. we will be airing that live at 7:00. hillary clinton holding a rally today in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. that is at 6:00 on c-span3. auto trump holding his own rally in new york -- donald trump holding his own rally in new york on c-span2. the c-span bus continues its travels to visit this year's student cam winners across the country. on monday, the bus made a stop in nevada to recognize justice
justice for her video on the wild horse population in the u.s. to mike bowerss majority communication -- mike bowers, charter communications for coordinating that visit. to watch all the winning videos from this year's competition, please visit studentcam.org. to get more information on the commute of and the bus schedule, visit www.c-span.org and find "community" at the bottom of the home page. 10 minutes left on "washington journal" to get your thoughts on wisconsin. we will be joined by a political
reporter from "the hill," jonathan swann to go over his work covering the campaign and the road ahead. david in alexandria, minnesota. independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to say a couple things here. donald trump, although he's had -- he had two things that he said that made a lot of sense. the biggest theft in history has been taking the 60,000 factories to china andy over these other countries. that's the biggest theft in history. the communist manifesto states the capitalistic money system
will be toppled -- that is what communist china's been doing. wisconsin, voter suppression took place when they are charging students $37 to get a id they should be giving them an id for free. host: you talk about u.s. jobs moving overseas. , ford business section plans to build a factory in mexico. about 2800 jobs and shipping small car production from the u.s. at a time when moving jobs south of the border has been a major issue in the presidential campaign. president said ford is a global company that builds cars where it makes the most financial sense.
the new plant would build small cars starting at 2018. marlboro, maryland. democrat. caller: good morning. i wanted to make a quick comment . congratulations to bernie sanders. wisconsin is crediting him for his achievements -- his proposals are achievable. if he gets california and new york, that is just a start. about 300 congressmen and women will be up for reelection this year alone. we can change the course if we go out and vote them out. not thatle who will bernie sanders or any
president's proposals pass. he is the man and we need to keep supporting him to make this happen. supporters are hypocrites. they need to look at the man himself. he makes his ties and hats in china and mexico. look at their candidate and see he is the person -- he is one of those millionaires, billionaires taking american jobs away. bernie all the way. believeillary, but i bernie has more authentic and sincere and real. -- is more authentic and sincere and real. thank you so much. host: bill in fort madison, iowa. republican. caller: good morning. i'mt, i would like to say
probably one of the most educated people you've ever had on this show. religion,psychology, all religion and all their origins, history, war, the history of war, the art of war -- host: in all your studies, what do you think about the 2016 election and what happened last night? caller: basically, it is a crime -- donald trump is dealing one who has business knowledge. -- is the only one that has business knowledge. government is always going to be corrupt. anytime you have staggering amounts of money -- look how much our government took in last year. $2.35 trillion. that is where the 1/10 of 1% has the same wealth as the rest of
americans. is you are lobbyists, that is your organized crime -- that is your lobbyists, that is your organized crime. the reason america fails all the time is because politicians to have any business experience at all. -- don't have any business experience and altered look at nafta, there is only one way you can bring down a nation with a single shot, take away their jobs. janice is up next in michigan. republican. good morning. caller: good morning. , looking on sick leave on healthdidates
care. deductibles, it .as $10,000 last year that has changed due to obamacare. it is really hard for us. to see this delegate problem. i never thought our country would come to this, to think turn toer pacs would stop the candidate that is the front runner. someoneto destroy through the media, false ads -- they are right out front with
it. it is across the country in every state, people in the republican party are out working on the delegates to make sure they stop trump. host: you are a donald trump supporter? caller: definitely. , thether was a businessman president of michigan bell. when they were regulated by the government, he always felt we needed a businessman. to break up the elite class. i never realized the power they have. for the special interests to go after a man like that -- pac adsme of the super have promoted this idea that donald trump has a problem with women voters.
looking at polling, the gap is wide for support for him among female voters. do you think he has a problem? caller: no. employees, at his they have the highest-paid women in his company. he was one of the first people to employ women in the top spots. his own daughter is practically running his own company. all you have to do is look at the way he runs his business. we need someone very, very bold right now to take on these problems we have. for him to be able to stand up to the negative things being done to him, of course people view ase a negative they hear all this and don't understand where it's coming from. for the gop to think that they can actually -- it is a circus.
they publicly say they will stop him. mitt romney came out and gave a speech to take him down. he said to vote for rubio in one state and vote for john kasich in another. the thing is, cruz and kashich kasich think and they will get a spot, they will turn around and put paul ryan in there. phil inet's go to centerville, massachusetts. line for independents. caller: the guy from south
carolina saying bernie came telling kids they can go to school for free. california did it before ronald reagan became governor. it worked well then. reagan came in changed america to what it is today. peoplegrubbing, greedy in business. for american people to sit up here and constantly vote for that republican party who is working against us on a constant basis where they are saying we are the government -- the government belongs to the people. the more they keep taking from the government, the more they keep taking from us. bernie is the most honest, that has comeon
along in this time. .hat we need now is a break we have been struggling so long for pennies. they are trying to give us more money for minimum wage, which is not even a living wage it self. but that is all we have. but if people can wraparound this dream of a better america where everyone get a break or get a shot at doing something they want to do, they are never going to bring those jobs back here it's a what are we going to do as a nation? our kidst want to give in school a proper education. they cut art and cut music. ted cruz talking about getting rid of the irs.
who is going to collect our money? for department position is money for the government. host: we are going to be talking about tax plans of the different candidates later on the program. next, we will be talking to jonathan swan of "the hill" newspaper, talking more about the wisconsin primary and the 2016.head and campaign that is coming up here on the "washington journal." ♪
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c-span fan. >> "washington journal" continues. jonathan swann joins us now to break down the wisconsin primaries. yesterday, you wrote an article that ted cruz and bernie sanders were looking for game-changing wins in wisconsin. 24 hours later, has the game changed? guest: it has certainly changed to some extent. both ted cruz and bernie sanders over performed. i had a conversation with a top pollster in wisconsin, and he was expecting a sanders victory by four percentage points. looks like bernie sanders won by , which is really important 13. it is -- bernie sanders won by 13. it is a state he should have
10, but the fact he won by points will give his supporters comfort. ted cruz performed slightly over expectations. it makes a contested convention on the republican side much more likely. agencies are now saying it is more likely that we will go into a contested convention. what was the reason for the over performance by bernie sanders? guest: we do not quite know yet. sandersg with bernie that he needs to do is a tight victory for him as these days is not a victory, frankly. he needs to make up ground on the delegate count. areeeds big wins like this
to get close to where he needs to be unpledged delegates, he needed to win by five by 16 win last he needed to night by 16 points. withill felt well short african-americans. but in wisconsin, it did not have a huge bearing. looking ahead to new york, he needs the minority vote. it is such a huge problem for bernie sanders. nets 14 delegates last night. the magic number is 2383. bernie sanders behind by about 700 delegates right now. new york, obviously, well over 100 delegates and play -- in
play. the caucus is happening this saturday. what are the expectations for that caucus? guest: there has been no polling out of wyoming. there is not even a projection for it. it is a caucus state, so logic would tell you that bernie sanders could do well there and probably win. caucuses tended to have more intense, enthusiastic, and often smaller voter turnouts, which tends to favor bernie sanders. i think the main thing wyoming will do -- it is insignificant in terms of delegate amounts, as last night was, but if he wins, he would have won seven out of eight of the last contest. spin it for another week leading into new york. host: in new york, i sent over
delegatest is 291 available on the democratic side. the colorado republican conventions, the actual convention, is happening on saturday. explain what is happening in colorado for republicans right now. guest: what people need to keep in mind is there are sort of two tracks going on for the republicans. one is the one you see every so often, like last night, where people actually vote. the winner gives a speech. there is a press conference. the newspapers say trump wins or cruz wins. the other one is quieter. people forget that elegance are actually human beings -- people forget that delegates are actually human beings, and most of them have not been selected yet. at the republican convention,
they will select who will fill positions.ate ted cruz is showing organizational strength. what we're seeing is donald trump is a being outmaneuvered at that delegate level. ted cruz is actually winning delegates. that is something to look out for in colorado this weekend. it is truly a pure organizational effort. any guide, ted cruz will do better than donald trump. for: if this is confusing viewers, we have about 45 minutes to break it on. jonathan swan is with "the hill" newspaper. #cspanchat democrats, 202-748-8000.
republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. and we have a special line for wisconsin voters. caller: good morning. something that is very puzzling that i have seen and have been paying attention to with the major media and some of the blogs is the complete dehumanization of trump. you see pretty much everybody lineup against this guy, everybody, from the major media and even aipac, which he spoke at. and the gop brought mitt romney out to discredit him. his own party. here we have a man who appears to be pretty much going against the grain in terms of a globalist policy. here is a man that has a strong nationalistic policy.
it appears that the gop machine, and even the dnc, do not want somebody who is going to upset the apple cart, who is going to roll back globalism, and push forward policies which would affect free-trade. my question to mr. swan is, do you think donald trump is unpredictable and dangerous to the power elites and not so much the american people? thank you. guest: well, i cannot speak for the american people. i would never try to do that, especially with my accent. but i think your first point is certainly correct in that republican elites are terrified of donald trump. thatn, one thing shows more than anything. i spent yesterday on the hill talking to a number of -- ilicans, and ted cruz
mean, you cannot possibly understand how despised and hated he is by republicans on the hill. a are now viewing ted cruz in an increasingly favorable light. poisonz was described as at donald trump as being shocked, but now they are saying they would rather ted cruz. the republican establishment is making their choice, and i think your assessment of globalism is spot on. donald trump has taken a view that the united states needs to revive its trade policies and revise its immigration policies. paul ryan is diametrically opposed to donald trump on those issues. host: last night in a victory speech, talking about efforts ahead of the general election. here is a bit of that speech. [video clip]
to joincruz: i ask you us as we continue to unite republicans, independents, libertarians, reagan democrats, and americans who care about our future, who want jobs, freedom, and security. just as we have done in wisconsin, we are doing all across this country. [cheers and applause] senator cruz: and governor, let me tell you, i look forward to coming back to the state of wisconsin this fall. [cheers and applause] senator cruz: and in november, for the first time since 1984, painting the badger state bright republican red. [cheers and applause]
[crowd chanting: cruz] senator cruz: so let me just say, hillary, get ready, here we come. host: the governor that ted cruz turned to was governors scott cruz., who endorsed ted governor walker was gone after by donald trump for doing that. how much did that endorsement and that back and forth with trump play into less night's results? guest: speaking to the top pollsters and strategists on the ground in wisconsin, one of the described it as weapons grade stupidity for donald trump to attack scott walker. ofple forget, outside
wisconsin, yes, scott walker is a divisive figure nationally. yes, he is despised by democrats in wisconsin. that he is still loved by wisconsin republicans. his approval rating among wisconsin primary voters in the republican party is high. so to attack the sitting governor, not many people think that was an intelligent strategy. of course, scott walker time to his endorsement of ted cruz for maximum impact. we do not know. added fournow, it percentage points to his vote, but it certainly helped. host: a democrat on the line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have got a couple of comments to make. meold grand-pappy raised that i owed a minimum of four years of my life to this
country. i did my service. when i got out, i spent over 20 years out on the road driving a big rig. i was doing my part to keep this country going. it is my opinion that this mr. trump feller would make a good used car self men, because he says what he knows people want to hear -- would make a good used car salesman, because he says what he knows people want to hear. in my opinion, he has been using our constitution for toilet paper, and he ought to be tarred and feathered. i hope you folks have good day, and i appreciate hearing what you have to say. host: chris is up next in wisconsin, that line for wisconsin voters. chris is an independent. who did you vote for yesterday? caller: hi, this is a very difficult election for me. my husband and i are both very
hard workers. before the election, my husband and i said, who are we going to vote for? candidates are so extreme. we have donald trump, who wants to eliminate social security. we have bernie sanders, who wants to pay for everybody's tuition. we have hillary clinton, who has a history of dishonesty. this is a very, very, very tough election. candidates, even talking with some of our peers, it was like -- where do we go? who is really going to be the best candidate this year?
a difficult, difficult choice, because they are so extreme. host: what does it come down to for you? well, after looking at all the stances, i actually favored rubio. unfortunately, he did not have a chance here at the end. cruz, but,for honestly, i -- it was not somebody that i totally, totally back at this point because i am still so unsure of all of their stances.
we really have to take a hard look at where these candidates -- what they are wanting to do to our country. host: you mentioned marco rubio. marco rubio and the delegates he accumulated early on in the process could still be a factor come convention time if donald trump does not enter the convention with that 1237 number needed. guest: i was looking at the overall delegate tout this morning. marco rubio is still ahead of john kasich feared marco rubio had more delegates than john , yes, they matter, but the misconception is the idea that marco rubio can tell these people what to do. it will be a free-for-all. unbound,eople who are
and it is up to ted cruz, donald trump, and john kasich to twist arms and get the support. host: looking at the superdelegates, the unpledged delegates who could change their votes. can't super delegates change their minds ahead of the convention? there is a story in "the wall street journal" about super delegates coming under pressure right now in light of the momentum the bernie sanders campaign is starting to show. guest: yes, a superdelegate is simply someone who can do whatever they want. they say, yes, we are supporting hillary clinton, but that does not necessarily mean they will end up to 40 hillary clinton. if bernie sanders, by some as medical miracle for him, defeated hillary clinton in pledged delegates, there will be a number of superdelegates that
to say,under pressure well, my state voted 70% sanders over clinton, so am i then subverting the will of the people bicycle -- by supporting clinton? so the answer is yes, they can switch their votes. host: jonathan swan of "the hill" newspaper. the home page this morning and you can read the story at thehill.com or call in and ask a question. , phone number republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002.
.emocrats, 202-748-8000 of thisi am so sick groep. donald trump at a thing in the paper that ted cruz cheated. cheated and trump bragged about it. every state he goes to, he says, oh, i love it here, i think i am going to buy property. or when obama went to cuba, oh, i think it will build a hotel down there. it is all about donald trump. he does not care about the people. where he has borrowed against everything he owns that he is worth. people need to wake up. he is for donald trump and his family. he is nothing more than -- i mean, it is sad. he is in it for him. he is a chump. the cheated people out of money.
they go in and buy these condos and all, and he sells the trump name. he does not build anything. he has not. his father did it. host: that was a call from maryland. did you want to weigh in? guest: i will decline. caller: james in fort worth, texas, a democrat. thanks good morning, and for c-span. i want to talk about the dishonesty garbage from the loop clinton. -- for hillary clinton. she has been fighting a system that has robbed the middle class and their standards. aty have been throwing mud her ever since. the people believe this stuff and buy it on television. they need to look at her accomplishments and the things she has done, her consistency, honesty, and her dedication to the lower income people, to the middle class, to the children of our future, and support some of the is dishonest as donald
trump? hillary clinton is probably the most qualified, the most educated him and the most sincere of any of them going. and if the republicans want to win this white house, the only chance they have got is to put john kasich improv there. ted cruz is a fraud. donald trump is completely dishonest. thank you very much for taking my call. host: on the honesty issue, exit polling from wisconsin shall nearly nine in 10 polled identified sanders as honest. said the same about hillary clinton. twice as many democratic voters said they are excited about what sanders would do in office. some interesting findings in wisconsin reflecting some of the larger trends in the race here. guest: yeah, look, people should
not, i think, get to exercised. the dishonesty question has plagued hillary clinton. she is 100% name id and has been in the public 30 to 40 years, so it is probably hard to change that. but hillary clinton would be favored to win. host: independent line, mary calling in. caller: good morning. i would like to talk about the power structure of the dnc and r nc, their delegates, and the , the people, apparently, our votes do not count. the fact that we pay for these primaries in each state, the citizens. my family has a saying -- who sayin.e payin does the
meaning, whoever pays the bills in the household, they get to decide what the rules are. dnc have the rnc and decided that they are the ones who get to do the deciding. saying, soo do the they need to start do in the paying. and the american taxpayer should not be paying for these primaries. and i do not believe -- i am going to make it my personal mission to try and get this practice stopped. if they want to choose who is going to be the nominee, then they better start paying for these primaries, because we can use that money for our roads, our bridges, our education, and so on. i plan to meet with my representative this friday in hometown during a town hall. i am going to say the very same thing to him.
to see him friday, and i am going to tell him the same thing. thank you very much, folks, and america, wake up. swan, on then process ands in the convention rules going forward that we will be finding were about as these conventions or congested content -- or contested conventions continue to come up. guest: people should really start paying attention to what happens in a contested convention. it is now more likely are not that it will happen. there is all sorts of misinformation about the rules. yes, every, convention, the rules are set by the rules committee. there are a set of rules used in 2012, but those were sent by mitt romney's people. they will be revisited, re-voted
on, redrafted. people should just know, we do not know anything yet. but we are very likely heading towards a contested convention. host: jonathan swan, first time guest on our program, national political reporter at "the hill" newspaper. you mentioned your accent, former reporter at the sydney morning herald in australia. you can follow him on twitter and on the hill. milwaukee, a democrat. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. my comment goes to bernie sanders, democrats in general. have started building a coalition as far back as 2010. c-span returned a
--sus card, dissipating participating in the system. get people tonot respond where they live, how can you prevent gerrymandering? in 2010, the democrats never showed up and we lost the house. 2014, never showed up, lost the senate. startocrats need to building the understanding that this is not just a presidential on alln, but it is aspects of government that people need to be involved. host: jonathan swan, thoughts on how the top of the ticket is impacting some of these congressional races, whether it be house or senate races? depends onbviously who is at the top of the ticket. i have spent a lot of time talking to republican super pac's and donors, and there is a
great deal of concern for members of congress and the republican establishment that having donald trump or even ted cruz could essentially put the and maybe theer house if it is donald trump. hillary clinton is winning by margins that are concerning that theyrepublicans are saying this could put the senate in peril. thousand oaks, california, independent. sam, go ahead. caller: good morning. given the current state of the primary process, should the u.s. to a party system like many other countries have? host: jonathan swan? the possibility of that happening? guest: i do not know whether it should happen or not. what i think is becoming
increasingly evident to any objective observer is that the republican party and the democratic party are both under strain, particularly the republican party. if donald trump is at the top of the ticket, you would put money on the notion that there will be a third-party running. a lot of conservatives, led by ands like bill kristol others, want a proper constitutional conservative to run, and the republican party is already so divided. realm of outside the possibility that a third-party will emerge over the next -- will emerge over the next few years. it has happened before and can happen again. host: the slower pace of primaries and caucuses in april first is march. has that benefited one candidate more than others? guest: it has not and if it'd
donald -- it has not benefited donald trump. when you start carrying water -- he lost in utah and lost in wisconsin it we -- in wisconsin to now we have two weeks before new york. the media does not stop with these stories. the stories always reflect the most recent results. what donald trump can expect now is two weeks of negative news coverage, and that will not help him at all. df anything, it has benefite ted cruz purely will see if donald trump has a resounding victory in new york, which the polls are expecting. but this two or three weeks will not be good for donald trump. republican on our line for wisconsin voters. caller: good morning. actually, i not necessarily republican or democrat.
kasich.oted for john he seems like the most reasonable choice out of all candidates, either democrat or republican. -- the amount of support that donald trump seems to have, i mean come of the fact that people actually -- it is almost like a wonderland or something. all he talks about is everything being great. he is not actually ever really saying anything. and then ted cruz, i mean, you -- john kasich was definitely the most reasonable choice. host: talk about the road ahead for john kasich. guest: mathematically, he cannot win at the ballot box to it he
needs to win more than 100% of the remaining delegates. that is impossible. black, whoed charlie worked the floor for ronald was a the last time there contested convention in 1976. john kasich's strategy is to convince as many party regulars and republican delegates that he last callerhat the said, the most reasonable choice. john kasich performs debtor -- better against hillary clinton and head-to-head polling. so his argument will be i am the guy who can win against chile clinton. whether that argument can work is a very large question. host: bob, pennsylvania, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call.
i listen to your program as much as i can. my question is this -- it was either the sunday that just passed or the sunday before, a caller stated that he had done all the research and there is no such person by the name of ted cruz. and the person on the program said that, well, he is using that name because his name does not sound american. well, now, how can he run under a fictitious name and sign that? isn't that illegal? why is the name that ted cruz uses so important to you? caller: well, because i was born, and on my birth certificate, i have a name, and
i am proud of it. host: does it say bob or does it say robert? caller: it says bob on it. and his name is not ted cruz. and for him to sign a legal document with the name ted cruz, which he has not legally changed his name two, is against the law . that is forgery. and he should not be allowed to run for the president. in pennsylvania. have you heard this concern from those who are not supporting ted cruz in this election? , itt: we should point out is notlegal -- it illegal. anything ted cruz is doing with his name, there is nothing illegal about it. canada has been coming up. that has more traction than his
name itself. kevin,aldorf, maryland, democrat. caller: good morning. hypothetically, if mr. trump wins, will he get the cooperation from the senate, the house, and everybody he needs cooperation from, plus the people he has verbally abused in public, to get some of the things accomplished that he says he would get accomplished? i look at it like this -- a president of the united states has a hard time getting things done, and he is not even half as abrasive as mr. trump, and they said he was going to be a one-term president. plus, if donald trump does not get elected, he does not have to go to washington and deal with all those people that he verbally abused and he will go back to being donald trump. my main question, will he get the cooperation that he really needs to get things done like he
says he would get to make america great? thank you. host: jonathan swan, your thoughts? winning, victory, has its own effect. we have already seen -- if anyone ever said to me that the sitting governor of new jersey, chris christie, who, two years ago, was the establishment's great hope within be onstage endorsing donald trump, i would say you are crazy. of course, that happened. if donald trump did win, a lot of republicans would fall in line because that is what they do. a number will stay in that "never trump" coalition. remember, it does not get more loathed than ted cruz in the
senate. you see someone like lindsey graham. he did not talk about israel and his speech. he talked about ted cruz. he talked about why everything ted cruz said was horrible and wrong. but now we have lindsey graham doing fundraisers for ted cruz. so things can change. we have no way of knowing. host: on the same idea, cooperation for potential future presidency. if sanders can get the congress he needs, he will terrify the 1% at he says that is a good thing. -- let's go texas to texas, maria, a democrat. aller: please, this is question i wish somebody would answer to me. is akeep saying hillary liar and is dishonest. please, 25 years i know this
lady, and i follow her all these years. i try to find where she lives, where she cheated. please, somebody tell me where she was all this. can some of the tell me? host: as republicans put these attack ads out against hillary clinton on the topic of trustworthiness, where have they found the most effective avenue? thet: obviously, there are e-mails. again, this is not a question -- a lot of things are being is the together, and it republicans' advantage to do that. they are trying to portray her as secretive, and even hillary sheton's allies will admit has had this time in the public life to you know, she set up the private e-mails. i will not describe her motive,
but that was obviously and move aimed at controlling her own information. i think that will be the most aggressive line. the other thing republicans will continue to say is she has been inconsistent on most of the big issues. she was for the transpacific partnership trade agreementb. . efore, she was against it. there was the pipeline that she against it had been they will look at what she has done in the senate or as secretary of state. and they will bring up her husband's presidency. the bill clinton presidency and democratic party is unrecognizable from today's democratic party. he was effectively continuing a lot of ronald reagan's policies. in themuch more centrist
democratic party than what we see today. so they will use her husband's legislation and say that you supported the crime bill and supported welfare reform, etc., and now you are on the other side of the issue. few minutes left with jonathan swan of "the hill." sharon is a republican from arkansas. caller: yes, good morning. as i listened to the people who at c-span, i am absolutely astounded that the people who are for bernie we live in a representative republic. we have a constitution. socialism is the exact opposite of our constitution. mando people think that
would get anything done? his policies are so wacky. it is amazing. to me.mazing what we need is a constitutional conservative -- ted cruz. he loves this country. we have got to take care of our children, folks. socialism, not going to get it. donald trump is all about donald trump. thank you. to mike in silver , maryland, and independent. caller: i am not a ted cruz supporter, but the caller that said he is not using his legal name, i want to say that my grandfather was first generation born in washington, d.c. he had his italian name on his
birth certificate. all through his life, he used the english equivalent, except the last name. first name and middle name, the english equivalent. ted cruz is using ted. but my birth name is michael. it is completely legal. i do not support him, but i will stand for his right to use ted cruz. have a good day. host: all right. illinois, independent. make a i want to comment. a lady called in and wanted to know where hillary ever light. four minutes ago, she gave an interview and said she did nothing she had ever knowingly lied. in 2007, when she got up the airplane in kosovo, she said she -- to run from the carmack from the tarmac because she was under sniper fire here but a video showed her walking slowly and shaking hands. benghazisurvivors of
families of people were killed because of a video, which she knew was a lie. everybody in the military with a government clearance knows she has violated three government felonies by having a server in e-mailingby classified information to a nongovernment employee, and by e-mailing and having a server even outside in colorado. there are numerous others. i just wanted to touch on points to these people who think she has never lied. host: anything you want to jump in on? guest: i will wait for that. host: a call on the line for wisconsin voters on a democrat. caller: thank you for c-span. my question is regarding reporting. read so muche and
sensationalism. i would like facts, facts on the candidates. therefore or against this -- they are for or against this good this is their voting record. instead of attacking. i wish of the ads would be dropped. you can only talk about yourself, not the other candidate. i appreciate your response. guest: i agree with you on the coverage. i think the coverage has been pretty disappointing. biased, but i think trent has been slightly print than tv -- i think has been slightly better than tv. i think if you're going to you'rest trump rallies, giving him 45 minutes of toettered airtime, it is up
you to do that or to actually fact check things he said. he said his university had an a-rating. well, that is not true. they should be corrected real time, but it is hard when there .re a number of accuracies the networks do a pretty lousy job of holding these candidates to account. covers onthan swan "the hill." thehill.com. guest: and i am sure you can find terrible things i have done, too. host: we will be breaking down the tax policies of different candidates with kyle pomerleau of the tax foundation. we will be going issue by issue. next 45 minutes on the "washington journal."
jonathan swan, democrat from d.c. .aller: i want to say one thing i am a hillary rodham clinton supporter. i will tell you why. hillary rodham clinton had a lot of hearings. she was secretary of state for the president for many years. flew in air force one all over the world. all these things like the e-mails are just witchhunts. she's the most qualified of all the candidates running for president. had top-secret clearance, same clearance she had. what is going on right now is unwarranted. we need to elect a president and
commander-in-chief. she is going to be commander-in-chief of this country. she flew air force one all over the world. and she was under harm's way. every time she got up in these plans and went to these places all over the world, she knows. host: we are running out of time. jonathan swan, i want to give you the last minute. any predictions for the all-important new york race, early looks into the storyline? guest: well, on the democratic side, bernie sanders is going to poorrallies in some of the parts of new york. a huge rally in the bronx. hillary clinton, her strength in new york, i think she is up some are new 20 points, and that will hold. donald trump is way ahead in new york.
what ted cruz will probably do is look at a congressional district level and try to go to certain districts. i think he will see a trump victory, unless something profamily changes. the bigger point on the republican side is that now it is hard for donald trump to get to 1237. he will have to change things. he will have to be winning more than 50% of the remaining delegates. people should look at new york but not get carried away with what happens. the biggest storyline is hillary clinton still looks like she is going to win the nomination or the republican race is heading towards a contested convention. host: jonathan swan, appreciate your time. next, as we get ready for tax day in this country, we will spend time looking at the candidates' tax plans. later in the week, the spotlight magazine segment, looking at school nutrition screenings and
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before "washington journal." >> "washington journal" continues. host: each candidate has developed their own individual and corporate tax plan. kyle pomerleau studies at the tax foundation. this is your chance to call and to ask about the candidates' tax plans. if you have questions about whether they are proposing or changes they are proposing, now is the time to call. kyle pomerleau, let's take this one tax issue at a time, starting with individual rates on ordinary income. what are the range of changes the candidates are proposing on individual rates? guest: thanks for having me. if you think about the tax plans, the changes are very diverse, especially individual income. we will start with ted cruz he is changing the individual income tax to a flat rate tax system, 10%.
it allows for a large standard deduction, or income exemption for lower income individuals. everything else is taxed at 10%. most itemized deductions, except for the charitable contribution deduction and home mortgage interest and hillary clinton does not really change all that much. ofyou're in the median taxpayers, you will not face much of a difference. most of her land focuses at the top. taxand ask a 30% minimum and it cap on itemized deductions, meaning the value is not as great anymore. a lot of people do not see big tax savings on video under current law. she has a 4% surtax on incomes over $5 million. if you are an ordinary income, you will not see much change. bernie sanders is doing a sweeping change. in order to enact a lot of his
social policies, he wants to an on top of income tax what we already have. he also introduces a new surtax bracket system above the new one. under the current system, progressive rates go up to 39.6%. those off at 28% for ordinary income. then he adds on surtax brackets. the difference is how you calculate income. current law, you get your personal exemption and itemized deductions. these surtax is no longer get those for wealthy individuals, about $200,000 agi, you will see big tax increases. marginal tax rates increase of to 54%. the amount of income being taxed increases because you no longer get any deductions against your income. his plan is more
of a broad-based, just cut tax rates across the board. if you are an individual, you are likely going to see a lower tax burden on your ordinary income. 25%.s a top rate of he is also an acting very large standard deductions. a family of four will be exempted for the first $50,000 of earned income, which is significant. for donald trump, his plan is a big tax cut, so it is cutting taxes for basically everyone. is that it loses a bunch of revenue. of course, john kasich, it is unclear. he has said he has a few principles for tax reform, cutting the top marginal rate to 28%. but no real word on exactly what is going on.
all the other candidates have been really detailed in their plans. john kasich has just laid out some basic principles. it seems like he wants to do a tax cut. his plan looks a lot more like jeb bush's plan, traditional conservative tax reforms. pomerleau of the tax foundation, taxfoundation.org. all of that is in a very helpful taxfoundation.org, comparing the tax reform proposals. candidatesck on the you want to compare, the different kinds of tax issues, and you can run through all of what we ran through in a very helpful chart. if you have questions, now is the time to call in. kyle pomerleau has studied all the different tax plans. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000.
and independents, 202-748-8002. you touched on this, but i want to come back to itemized deductions and which plan represents the most drastic change. it is an issue a lot of people are dealing with right now as they are putting their taxes together. who would change that process the most? guest: good question. i am not entirely sure. it pans on how you interpret it. it depends on what type of taxpayer you are. -- it depends on how you interpret it. for most taxpayers, it will not make that big of a difference. for those who itemize, one of the biggest changes may be ted cruz's plan that eliminates most itemized deductions, broadening the tax base. benefit two you can from our charitable and home mortgage interest deductions. state and local tax deductions
are no longer there. broad-based tax, it will likely be a tax cut for anyone anyway because the rate is so low. other have the biggest target on their back just in general. hillary clinton wants to attack the value of them. bernie sanders has a tax scheme that eliminates all itemized tax deductions. donald trump does the least to itemize tax deductions. , it iseally not basically a surtax. deductions itemized and you take more than $202,000, we will add a little bit back to your income. it doesn't affect your decision to take itemized deductions, he
sort of strengthens that provision. he increases taxes on people deductions.emized he doesn't touch any of it. will take some calls. mitchell, indiana, a democrat. question.have a i was wondering if no matter who doesn't thees are, house in the senate have to approve of it? i have a comment. i think the united states would be a lot better off if we would quit giving money to foreign countries. thank you. that's a good question about the presidential candidate has a great tax plan that they like a lot and they think would
do wonders. they get into office, and the house and senate say, no thank you. that is a challenge there. it has been a challenge for the last eight years. there hasn't been much agreement between the administration and the house on what the meaning of tax reform and how lawmakers should go about it. .ou are right at the end of the day it has to pass the house and senate. it is a question as to whether that would happen. host: north carolina, republican. caller: good morning. i like donald trump's plan. ted cruz's plan, when he the it's a flat 10%, are rich not going to pay less tax? the poor people don't seem to be worried about 10% or 15%, because are not making now much anyway.
as far as bernie sanders is concerned, you cannot take from the rich and support the poor. what we need our jobs. challengesof the with past proposals is that our current system is very progressive. other taxes make it less progressive. once you take those high tax rates, reduce them and apply to high income earners, you are giving big tax cuts to them. muchctivity, or how productivity to consider going to a flat tax and erase all of cut taxesoes disproportionately at the top as complained to the bottom. the biggest changes the candidates are proposing a tax credits. guest: for tax credits is is a
mixed bag. -- it is a mixed back. of thez eliminates a lot tax credits, but he keeps the child tax credit, and he keeps up the earned income tax credit. $1000.ld credit is it is a per child tax credit. he keeps that one. he also keeps the earned income tax credit. it is very similar to the child tax credit and how it operates, but it is focused at the low end of the income scale. he expands the earned income tax credit, one piece of his plan that we have not touched on, he replaces huge blocks of the tax code with what he calls a business land tax. it is really of value added tax. ted cruz eliminates the payroll
fund socialx to security and medicare, eliminates those entirely and eliminates the corporate income tax, 35% corporate tax. he replaces it with a 16% .usiness transfer tax basically it is a tax on what the business earns, profit, minus its cost of goods. any purchases of machines, inventory is factored in. it is tax on the profit plus what it pays employees. the value added of business. tax, it raisesad a bunch of revenue. the concern with attacks like that is a could be regressive. it may hit the bottom more than at the top. accentult of that he and
expanded income tax credit to make sure no one is worse off under the program. you can go to tax foundation.org, nonprofit, nonpartisan think tank that studies these issues. i've been at the tax foundation for about three years. was at georgetown working at public policy. host: marilyn, republican. caller: good morning. i would like to ask your guest if he could go through the difference -- different proposals by the various candidates, and explain what the effect on the deficit is of these different plans. comment. additional
the purpose of raising taxes is to support the government. it sure seems like there has to be a simpler way just to raise the kind of money. thank you. guest: these plans, they do have an impact on the amount of revenue that the government would raise. if we were to hold spending completely constant, the republican plants in general are --ng to be big increases there will be tax cuts. ted cruz's plan, depending on how it will impact -- if you will impact spending, may increase deficits up to $4 trillion over a decade. donald trump's plan, very big by -- theay reduce deficit by 12 trillion in a decade. democratic side, hillary clinton 's plan would reduce the
deficit, but she does want to expand programs. bernie sanders plan would raise about $13.5 trillion, a very big tax increase. he wants to also expand social programs. it's not clear how we will impact the overall deficit, given the fact that we are not sure his spending programs will cost. dayton, ohio, line for democrats. caller: good morning. i'd like to have a little fun with the ted cruz plan. like when he spoke at one of the universities, he said he would like to see it us fellow that taxes on a postcard. then he said he would eliminate the irs. where are you mailing a postcard to? host: that's a very good
question. the federal government needs to collect tax revenue to fund its program. ted cruz keeps in place tax collection. the question is, if you are going to get rid of the irs, you are simply going to move the tax collection somewhere out? to another agency? it will look very close or identical to the irs. are not sure what he means by eliminating the irs. yesterdaypresident also brought up the irs. specifically, the efforts that the treasury department is trying to implement to keep the corporate inversions that are happening with corporations moving their headquarters overseas, to try to temper down that process.
explain what the treasury department is doing to try to cut back on this. corporate immersion, is when a u.s. company merges with a foreign company in order to move their headquarters overseas. legally move their headquarters overseas. the reason that he would do this is for tax reasons. under current law, the u.s. government taxes the profits of corporations that are earned here in the united states plus the profits that are earned overseas. those profits are deferred from taxation until the profits are brought back to the united states. for a lot of multinational corporations, there is a bunch of money overseas that they have earned, and if they pay taxes to france,ed kingdom and they would like to bring it back to the u.s., but there is an additional tax cost and they don't want to face that. to escapeompanies,
this worldwide system, they are treated in a territorial system, which most of the world economies use. when a company is able to invert, it makes it easier to do caused earnings stripping, they increase cost to the u.s., increase profit in a lower taxed jurisdiction to lower their overall tax burden. for the past few years, this is what has been happening. a lot of multinational corporations have done this. burger king is now a canadian company. there has been a lot of political pressure to do something about it. the house and senate have not done much legislatively, the treasury has gone about and increased regulation. the two things they did, yesterday was one, change the
rules. very smally that is overseas is acquiring a big one, the treasury would say no. the second rule is allowing the irs discretion to reclassified debt transactions, which are deductible in the you -- in the u.s.. this is supposed to target -- this is a picture of the president and the white house yesterday. rules could be putting jet -- drug giants pfizer, putting together this $160 billion merger that they announced last november, noting that the proposed merger is now being reviewed by those companies in light of what the
president's announcement. about corporate -- candidates tax plans and corporate inversion. line, good morning. kyl, let me explain her situation. my mother has been in a nursing home and she will be 100 years old in october. , medicalr nursing home itemized deduction. 's plan would cruz that deduction disappear and throw her into a 10% income bracket? that would be disastrous for people like my mother, who take it vantage of the medical deductions. i would like to have your comments on that.
one thing that is certain about a lot of his plans are there a big trade-offs. the issue will itemized deductions, i believe that would go on -- away under the plan. consideringly know your personal situation, but it seems to me that a lot of people would be significantly worse off that -- because he increases the standard deduction. if you are an individual -- i don't remember exactly what the standard deduction is, it may be $10,000, which is a significant increase. deductions areed not that great, then the standard induction covers you. but you bring up an important general point about tax reform is that there are trade-offs. some people may win and some people may lose. it is all about constructing a plan that overall raises revenue
in the most re-forward way. point.ng up an important they may do this in order to lower the corporate tax rate. florida, a democrat. caller: good morning. i am an accountant and have done taxes. individual and corporate for years. talkingme i hear ted about his 10% in the postcard, i cringe. recall, in the last the 10-10, ---10 program. this was about the flat tax. the various authorities came out 17 said it would take a
percent flat tax to bring in the same amount of income to the government they were collecting at the time. the 10% flat tax is not going to make it. a postcard might work for individuals. but what about corporate tax filings? who is going to do the returns from small businesses, cooperations -- corporations. you have to have something like the irs to review those tax returns, or are we going to to turne multinationals in an accurate return. and who will collect the money in the end. ted cruz plan is bogus. there is no doubt in my mind that people are relying on deductions to get them through
difficult things like various medical expenses, if you have a lot of children. can they deduct the cost of doing business, need special tools or clothing. that would not be allowed either. most of that does occur in the lower brackets. then the earned income credit. how are people going to do that as well? ted cruz is program is more like pie in the face to anyone probably with a taxable income of under $50,000. in most difficult thing filing the return is not paying the tax. -- it is called your taxable income. can i let kyle jump in?
cruz also expands it and keeps the child tax credit. for those things -- those things stick around. he keeps the home mortgage deduction as well. eight 10%ght that flat tax on income -- he defines it as earned income plus investment income, would in no way cover the revenue of the current federal government. a this value in added tax is a. well. as he asked that behind the 10% income tax. returns, there will be no more corporate income tax. corporations will still have to
do the filing. they will likely be much more complex than an individual's return. it might be a much larger postcard for a multinational corporation. program, gains in his because he is moving away from the corporate income tax to the value added tax, which is a straightforward tax. plan thatherman cain i think she was referring to, plan? a 10-10-10 ted cruz's plan is like a 10-16. very similar plans, one of the nines in the 9-9-9 land is a valid lu plan.
-- is a value added plan. don't wantid i parent taxes. i'm going to take that nine and add it to the nine back and go for a 16-10 plan. host: new jersey, republican. caller: good morning. ago, carl called in and asked what would it have -- what would it have impacted the deficit. are they geared towards a growth, could you go over each to talk about what kind of girl that would have? and to make the government much more hospitable to business. host: as you do this, the
production -- the project and, are you crunching the numbers, or are these what the campaigns have said they will do? we have analyzed all of these plans and looked at how they impact growth and how that growth impacts revenue at the end of the day. republicans in general have focused a lot of their tax aform effort on eliminating lot of the biases in the current tax code in savings and investment. ted cruz's plan, he eliminates the corporate income tax, which is the most distorted tax in the tax code, very complex and has a lot of features which reduce a lot of features. that is a pro growth measure clear -- progrowth measure. it is efficient
because it is on consumption rather than income. a consumption tax is more progrowth. we found that in the long run this plan would increase the level of gdp by 13.9%. wouldncrease in growth reduce the deficit impact of trillion toom $4 $800 billion over a decade. it can still be a tax cut on net, but smaller on the growth aspect. donald trump's plan, he puts it forth as a very progress plan. he focuses on rate reductions. those are great for taxpayers, not great for the government. also not that great for economic growth in total. he reduces the cost of investing, reduces taxes on individuals, but he keeps a lot of the current bias in a lot of
the tax code and keeps a lot of the complications in the corporate code. a lot of the deductions and credits that discourage labor force, so the economic growth in his plan, only would increase the gdp in the long run by about 11%. even after the growth aspects we are still talking about it deficit of 10 or -- $10 trillion. host: can you put those numbers i on the tax foundation website. how much push back have you gotten from the campaigns? guest: when campaigns put these out, they expect that their plan will be the best, and it will be very pro-growth. for the most part, ted cruz's plan has honed in a lot of those places.
he gets rid of those. that's the reason his plan is slightly more progrowth. it doesn't cost as much as revenue at the same time. for donald trump's plan, a little bit of pushback. spear -- cuticans taxes and the economy will grow. the economy doesn't really work that way. income taxes have less impact on the economy and rates don't make changes on the base. things that economists talk about all the time. analysis,leased his there are growth aspects to it. but it in no way covers up front costs.
tax foundation.org if you want to go through this for yourself. a republican is next. in panama there is a big scandal. -- bill clinton foundation. with the irs, investigated in that terms? guest: this is not something we have looked into. host: rate in washington, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for putting me on. i enjoy your show. really thing that i why hasn'tiscuss is anybody said anything about the tax loopholes that wealthy people have? we need to get rid of the loopholes.
one other thing -- most: which one are you concerned about? the tax loopholes. nobody has said anything about that. don't you agree that those new to go away? guest: i guess it depends on what your definition of a loophole is. realm, loophole -- itatchall phrase for seems to me that someone down the street is not paying as much taxes i am. more specifically, loopholes may be considered itemized deductions, something that individuals are taking to reduce their tax liability. most of the candidates plans address these concerns about itemized reductions. fact, social spending or social programs through the taxco -- tax code.
if the government were to pursue , for example, the home mortgage interest reduction. some people are concerned, you may think that is a worthwhile goal, but maybe on the spending side better. there are a lot of those things in the tax code and by and large candidates have looked at them, eliminating those itemized deductions. crystal lake, illinois, and independent. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am 75 and my wife is 75. s crop up all the time. bills, realcal estate taxes, various amounts of
taxes. our houses depreciate -- depreciating and our taxes keep going up. if they eliminate those medical whoctions and local taxes, will put a tax on social security? that will crush the middle class. i will hang up and wait for your answer. thank you. social security, i don't think anyone is coaching -- touching social security. itemized deductions, still the same, the concern that anyone will have, that a lot of people benefit from these deductions. thatnk that is something candidates need to consider. a good tax system raises revenue. if we do want to keep benefits perhaps we move those
to the spending side of the ledger, roger than the other side. from thee pomerleau tax foundation. thank you for your time today. , our weekly spotlight on magazine segment here we will be talking about the recent issue about school nutrition and bmi screenings and the emerging evidence that they can be triggering eating disorders in children. that is coming up next here on "washington journal." book tv has 48 hours of nonfiction books and authors every weekend.
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one of the casualty's you guest:?t in your story rosie is again woman who grew up in the detroit area. when sheme this story was in second grade, seven years old. class, they had a bmi screening. in front of the entire class, each kid was weighed and measured and their bmi was calculated. after everybody's bmi was calculated, the pe teacher called out the names of the girl and the boy with the lowest bmi and had it everyone applaud for that. rosie had always been pretty small, but she didn't have the lowest bmi in the class. perfectionist, that drove her nuts.
that was very upsetting to her. from that day forward, she started cutting back on her food and eating more. what rosie didn't know is that she also had a family history of eating disorders, anorexia in particular. within a few weeks, she was very ill. at that time, 14 years ago, there really weren't any eating disorder professionals who are familiar with symptoms in young children. by the time she finally got treatment and found a therapist, she had been ill for almost 10 years and continues to struggle to this day at age 22. host: rosie is not alone, to the point where there has become a lobbying effort to try to change these bmi screening process. guest: rosie is one of those voices.
scary,kes her story so is how, it has become. when i spoke with eating disorder professionals around the country, a lot of them were 10 or 15 years before, a lot of the people coming in would say that there is eating disorder started with an innocent high, with an get with your cross country team. now we are seeing elementary sixol age children, five or years old who are coming in and say they are coming in and saying they are learning how fat is bad, how sugar is that, and they need to lose weight. that is starting eating disorders much younger. itis a slightly different, much more concerned with heavy
-- healthy eating than dieting. 202-748, 8000. a special line for those who have experience with eating 202-7 48-8002. greetings, where did a proven toom, have be effective in helping make healthier kids? guest: sure. the bmi screenings trace back to about 1999. the cdc published its first official report on childhood obesity, showing that it really was becoming a problem among
younger -- younger children. there is increasing concern about the health of children, led people to start discussing issues and ways of addressing this problem among younger children, to help prevent the issue from becoming so serious and potentially contributing to medical problems when people get older. as a result, one of the suggestions was doing bmi screenings. since children spend so much of their day at schools, and bmi is , it iseasy to calculate easily done in a classroom setting. starting in 2003, arkansas was the first state to do this. it began sending home what they reportemi home car -- cards, factoring a great and whether there bmi was healthy or
at riskher they were for becoming overweight or over -- obese or whether they were already in a category for concern. kidsyou are dealing with in a school setting, things don't always stay private. thatdc has always advised if you are going to do these screenings at school, they should be done privately with care and concern. as rosie's story shows, that didn't always happen. the cdc guidelines are not hard and fast rules. that requiresg schools to even do them. even from the start, there was .oncern about bullying even on related stories show that the top source of bullying in the younger set. how do you prove that bmi
screenings are doing more harm than good? do you throw out the screenings, and the effort to try to make healthier children, it or is it a matter of doing it differently? hard to prove that they do cause harm. but researchers have gone in and things, do they decrease rates of obesity, or theease the rate at which children who are screened become overweight and obese. that is not the case at all. it has been shown in arkansas and california and a recent study in new york that these screenings had no affect at all. even just antidotal reports of harm combined with the fact that they haven't been shown to benefit, is really what is creating the concern.
host: carry arnold is a freelance science journalist, the youngest casualties in the war on obesity. it is the march 4 issue of pacific standard. virginia, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i am a school bus driver. that kids, especially the overweight kids, they are kind of quiet. it looks like they don't engage other kids, they sit by themselves. i as a parent, and as an american errand, we forget our kids. parents work five days a week. ready,me home, no food
they don't teach the girls how to cook. sometimes i saw 12 or 13 years old have taken the morning. it is not only that we should bring the overweight kids -- the to get are not engaging them outside in the park and run around. the has righto, now we don't trust anybody. we don't send our kids outside to play. on the role of parents. ofst: there are a host that areoblems contributing to issues of health in children. it's not just screening the emi and putting it on the children healthy,mily to get
but there are issues of parents working multiple jobs and having time to cook and prepare perhaps healthier foods. of children not having a place to play. there's the issue of school lunches, and making them more nutritious and also taste good. right in that it is not just an individual problem, it is a larger structural social issue that we really need to address. kristy on twitter: rights who is measuring students bmi? is this government overreach at its finest. on can join the conversation twitter. we have lines set up regionally. line for those who have experience with an eating
disorder. jim is in ohio,. good morning. caller: good morning. all make this as quick as we can. up, i went to grade school in the mid-50's. kids were active. we were active in school, we were active outside. were always, we running around, getting in trouble, doing things. a couple of so-called fat kids. there were one or two and everybody -- in every grade. shiftms like now with the in generation, fast food has a lot to do with it. there is so much that needs to be addressed and not just organize exercise for a half an hour.
get your kids out of the house. get them moving. when we were kids we could not waito get out of school, so we could go build a fort. host: how do you feel about bmi screenings in school? i think as long as the measuring and the singling out the kids that way, that's an overreach. it in the army and it was embarrassing there. it became a competition between all of us, who had the worst body mass index than the other one. we could deal with it, we were grown men. kids in school, it could become a stigma host:. this is the concern. a concern. is especially with something that is very much personal medical information, whether it is the job of the schools to deal with this is something
that should be dealt with between a child, their parents and their pediatrician. members of congress are getting involved in this issue, with eatingders, disorder awareness week happening earlier this year. one of the members in the house that talked about this was congresswoman gwen graham from florida. here's a bit from her speech. rise in recognition of national eating disorder awareness week. millions of americans across the country are suffering from eating disorders. it affects their health, their happiness, and can take their lives. understand what they're going through, because i personally struggled with an eating disorder as a teenager and a young woman. in theeaking of today
hopes of raising awareness and providing hope. i want other young men and women who are struggling as i did to know that they, too, can overcome this. i want to tell them that i know it is difficult, but don't wait mr.eek out help or did speaker, by raising awareness, promoting treatment, and with early intervention, we can save lives. some stats on eating disorders from the national institute of mental health. they frequently appear during teen and young adult, 2.7% of 18-year-olds have a severe eating disorder. rates among women and girls are 2.5 times greater. major types are anaerobes -- anorexia and bulimia. for peopleial line with bad experience with eating
disorders, alex is on that line in new york city. good morning. caller: good morning. my comment is simply that i am a recovering eating disorder person. i am 50 years old. i have lost 100 plus pounds in the last half-dozen years or so. it is clear to me, i was also a high school teacher. it is clear that the young children are sort of told by commercials and everything that it is ok to eat too much and eat unhealthy foods. i know this is nothing new, but it seems like there is a lot of money be made at the expense of the kids. for me, an adult, it is like being hungry is just the normal state of being a human being. you are hungry for several hours and you eat a little bit and the hunger dolls a little bit. children are not taught basic things like that.
that's my comment. certainly, you are right in that there is a lot of advertising of high calorie high-fat foods geared toward children. addressing that, i think, is part of the issue, especially thereith school lunches is fast food served in school .unches and in health class this is what they are being served. of telling them what to eat, one of the researchers i talked to, for help -- perhaps just improving the food that is served in schools and letting the issue drop, and not necessarily talking to the
children, but talking to the parents were doing the food shopping. is our national legislation working its way through to address some of these issues you're talking about? guest: certain states have different rules and regulations around this. there are also federal rules around the school and programs. a couple years ago, there was a schools who are receiving funding from school lunch programs had to have wellness plans in place for the school. developede schools the wellness plans developed the did bmi as well. carri arnolde, she is our guest for the next 10 minutes.
caller: good morning. this.stening to all of let me put it bluntly. 78 and for most of my life from when i was a child, i have an eating disorder. an eating disorder is not a kid going home from school and buying hershey bar. is a feelingorder -- in a child that continues of feeling unloved, of feeling empty inside. this woman, at the beginning was talking about eating disorders if you put wonderful food on the table, the child will eat it,
and then they will find other things when you're not looking. that is an eating disorder. an eating disorder can get so ok, what do you think these very very heavy people have? the ones that are now getting bands on their stomach to lose weight? that is an eating disorder. host: the color getting into the binge -- the caller is getting into the binge eating. guest: right. i don't know that a lot of people appreciate about binge eating disorder is that even as with thingsexia like food restrictions, that is
associated with bulimia and binge eating disorder as well. in response to that, people overeat. does whent the body it has been start, is it tries to replaces energy stores. the guiding culture is not only to anorexia by promoting girlsrds of thinness that and boys are -- pressure to achieve. it inadvertently promotes bulimia and binge eating disorder by encouraging people to be in these days of energy deprivation that results in rebound binge eating. pennsylvania, renee. good morning. caller: good morning c-span. thank you for taking my call. point to get back to the for screening of bmis in elementary school or any kind of school setting.
to me, as a health care practitioner, that goes against a standards for privacy. i feel those bmi screenings should be done in a doctors office alone and not in a public setting. i would like to know how that became legal to do that. to me it's against the law to do any kind of health screenings outside of the doctor's office. emit: typically, before the screenings the school sent home a note to get permission from the parents. that would, i imagine, take care of any legal issue. you are right about the privacy of children and their medical concerns being a major issue. haven't heard of people addressing the problem from a h ippa standpoint. that's a good point. host: are there states or
localities that have banned these bmi screening process in elementary schools are middle ofools guest:? the state massachusetts just did, i believe it is 2014, but i could be wrong on the year. there was a mother i spoke with who has a son that was just a larger young man, a football player, and really healthy. she got a letter home saying that he was obese. a number of his friends also got similar letters. it didn't really affect her son, and she laughed it off. she knew he was muscular and it didn't bother him very much. but the mother saw the effects it was having on his friends and the increase in diet talk. the increase in unhealthy weight loss haters. on the a local -- equivalent of a local city
council. she began to address this at latertage -- state budget -- stagen -- legislature. cat: michael you are on with arnold. why are we calling it a war? why can't we call it the education of obesity. callon't these schools and it nutritional education when young people start school, so they have a nutritional awareness. the reason i say that to -- is i have been in the nursing field and i retired in 2005. i have the privilege of working with the major weight loss program. marie asman is one of the spokesperson. --osmond.
i worked with a modeling agency on getting rid of weight. when you lose something you have to look for it. if i can move it -- if i can lose it, it is gone. this should be moved into the education. also, because my daughter when she was younger, she had a problem with eating. it stemmed because of us, the adults. we stimulated her, you'll eat everything on your dish. come on, you're too skinny. in the intro, too, why don't return back to children taking recess, playing kickball in soccer, basketball, running. doing a variety of physical exercises that we did as children when we were young back in the 50's.
host: on the language we use around eating in this country. out anhe pointed interesting aspect of calling it a war on obesity. in selecting and running the headline, i chose that language because that is how it is frequently used. to educate people about obesity, it is 20 -- eliminate obesity. how the issue is framed. war onue of calling it a obesity is that all too often it has become a war on the obese. there is a lot more weight stigma which inadvertently contributes to the problem. frame being the issues does play an important
role. of minutes left before we head to the senate commerce hearing this morning. sarah in new hampshire on the line caller:. yeah. i think they should throw out the bmi thing altogether. go by his height and weight. it doesn't speak to the muscle mass. you can be short and muscular bmi chart.s a i'm a truck driver and i have to go for a d.o.t. every couple of years. i have worked very hard my whole life in agriculture and construction work. i have lost a couple of inches because of that. i have a hard time. i can't really pass that. i don't smoke or drink. i have no other health issues.
what they should be teaching kids is what is food? by amething is produced food scientist, is it really food anymore? when i shop i try to shop around outside of the grocery store and buy things that have single ingredients, meat and vegetables and whatnot. the other thing is a government corn,y towards raising .oy, and all these grains instead of subsidizing fruit and vegetable growing and not and things like -- and nuts and things like we have incorporated firms in oursthat. date two school programs and a lot of schools are doing gardening programs so that they know where food comes from. .hat is a food
that is my comment. thank you. bmi screenings, why do stick around and continue to be used? guest: i think people want it to be effective. i think people really want to improve children's health. these are very well intended effort. i think the issue is being if children's and families knew more, if they knew their children's weight and bmi than they would make different choices, that they would change. it is notm is that the case, these are embedded in larger social cultural issues. it is really not that simple. it seems like a obesity are framed by the world health
organization and the cdc as lifestyle diseases. but when you don't have any grocery stores or have a place to play, these are your personal choices. these are part of the larger context of host: let's see if we can get in douglas. can you make it quick? caller: so many things to correct. i was mentioning that sometimes you don't see the forest for the trees. i don't remember having this problem growing up. dessert was a big deal. .e did get exercise i think this whole idea with the sugar industry and the way we got brought up watching commercials and eating food that is available. i think a lot has to do with education. i don't know if it is a cultural thing.