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gettysburg college in gettysburg for the annual civil war institute's summer conference as authors, historians, and professors examine topics that could threaten our newly unified country, such as refugee camps with abigail cooper, assistant professor of history at brandeis, reconstruction in the north with andrew -- an associate professor of history at east tennessee state. and the post-civil war gran career of ulysses s. grant. conversations on the return of the confederate veteran and the origins of the lost cause. al civil war institute summer conference. live all day saturday beginning at 1:00 p.m. saturday on c-span's american history tv. for the complete weekend schedule, go to c-span.org. >> in response to the mass shooting at an orlando, florida,
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nightclub, that killed 49 people, house democrats are calling for a vote on the bill that would bar individuals on the no-fly list from buying firearms. democratic leaders discussed the measure in a news briefing at the capitol. this is 20 minutes. rep. becerra: good morning. xavier becerra, chairman of the house democratic caucus, joined by our democratic leadership including congressman steve israel, chair of our communications and policy committee. we just had another discussion in caucus about doing something, taking action as a result of this weekend's mass killings, the atrocities that occurred in orlando, florida. to all those who are thinking about the victims and their families, we say, #standwithorlando and in
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spanish, hash tag. [speaking spanish] i just have to note that for the latino community, this has hit especially hard because when you see the names, they're human beings but i don't believe in the latino community people would have expected that so many of the names would have had spanish language surnames and it brings home to so many of us that this could be your family, as well. i think we have a pretty simple message coming out of our democratic caucus. this congress should not leave this week without giving us a vote on something very simple. no-fly, no-buy. if you can't fly because you're on a watch list by our government, and you are not
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allowed on an airplane, you should not be allowed to enter a gun shop and walk out with an assault weapon. we're now beginning to hear some republicans, including presumptive republican nominee for president, donald trump, say that there's something to no-fly, no-buy. the difficulty is this -- this congress is asleep at the wheel. it's been a do-nothing congress, especially when it comes to the issue of gun safety. and there's no guarantee that anyone in congress will have an opportunity to vote to prohibit someone who's on a no-fly list from being able to purchase a weapon. between 2004 and 2014, 2,000 terror suspects legally -- legally purchased guns in the united states. and so it's time to stand with orlando, or san bernardino, or charleston, or newtown -- and
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the list could go on and on. it's time for us to stand and do something, not just hold moments of silence. it's time to stand with orlando. [speaking spanish] i now yield to our leader, nancy pelosi. rep. pelosi: thank you very much for your thoughts and leadership in bringing us together now two days since the deaths in orlando. yes, we are orlando. this is so tragic, so sad in so many ways. it does offer an opportunity for us, though, to do something immediately about it and i would hope that we could reach out to our republican colleagues and say, the least we can do is the no-fly, no-buy legislation. we want more, of course. we want regional background checks and the rest and we think
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we have the votes for that on the floor of the house if the speaker would bring up the bill but right now our focus is to say to the republicans in congress, if 80-some-percent of the american people, 70% of n.r.a -- owners -- republicans, democrats, independents, all support passing the no-fly, no-buy bill -- if you're not allowed to fly, you shouldn't be allowed to buy the gun. let us prove to them, disprove what they suspect, that the republican majority in the congress of the united states is a wholly owned subsidiary of the national rifle association and that is what is standing in the way of our being able to protect the american people. we call upon them to disprove that, at least in this instant. our friends, the lgbt community, our friends in the gun safety community, our friends in the african-american community, who offer gun violence, so many
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-- who suffer gun violence, so \many people suffer gun violence every day of the week in their neighborhoods. mr. clyburn will address the one-year anniversary of what happened in south carolina. so if we can organize all of those folks, all expert in mobilization, all successful in changing the public mind and the public policy in relationship to issues of concern, i think we have to act immediately and i think that we can be successful. but in the meantime, the very least the republicans would do is to pass the no fly, no buy. and i'm pleased to yield to the distinguished whip, mr. hoyer. mr. hoyer: thank you very much, madam leader. first, we need to empathize with the fear that the lgbt community is experiencing right now.
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unfortunately, today we are going to adopt a rule which precludes the expression of congress that we will not discriminate against those who are lgbt members. how sad. that is one thing we could do today. say to all americans, you will not discriminate. we will not discriminate, our government will not discriminate against citizens who are members of the lgbt community. and our chairman of the caucus is correct as well. normally we discriminate against somebody based upon the origin of their nationality or surname. so those are two things we could do right now, stand up. speak out for what america believes in. that is equality for all.
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secondly, a moment of silence is appropriate. but days and weeks and months of action to preclude the violence that is occurring and taking the lives of so many of america is absolutely essential. no fly, no buy is a start. it is an important start, and as the leader points out, it is a start that the american people have broad consensus on. let us start there. let us have an amendment on the floor that says no discrimination. let us have action today or later next week at the very latest on no fly, no buy. and thirdly, although i would
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urge all of our members to vote for three bills that have already passed, americans ought not to be deceived that that's action. we have already passed those bills. they are in the united states senate. and the republican leader ought to move those bills. so let us not pretend to take action, let us take action. no discrimination. no fly, no buy. no simply moment of silence, but days of action. i now yield to my dear friend, the assistant leader, jim clyburn of south carolina. mr. clyburn: thank you, mr. whip, madam leader. i offer a quote from martin luther king jr.'s iconic, and i think timely, letter from the
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birmingham city jail when he wrote, we are going to be made to repent. not just for the hateful words and deeds of bad people, but for the appalling silence of good people. now, from friday the 17th, we will be celebrating or commemorating the first anniversary of what i call the charleston 12. nine people who died and three people who survived a targeted massacre. that church was targeted. that bible study class was targeted. just as this nightclub was targeted. both of these are domestic terrorist issues, yet what's
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coming to the floor is limited to foreign terrorism. that's not addressing what the problem is here today. and i think that on two counts, there are three bills that we've got before the floor. my bill deals with closing that loophole, because this young man was not eligible to be buying a gun. but somebody put in the wrong information, i.e. intentionally misled the folks to ride out the three-day rule, or somebody keyed in the wrong information. and that loophole that says you can purchase a gun if the background check is not completed within three days should be closed. in the case of orlando, someone
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said earlier, i was last arrested for my civil rights activities in 1961. between 1960 and march 1961, i was arrested several times. that record is still there. yet we say a person that was on the no fly list, once you close the case, they come off the no fly list and then they can go and purchase a gun. this gentleman, if he were treated, his record were treated the way mine was treated, would not have been able to get this gun. why is it that my record from 1961 is still sitting in the f.b.i., and still brought to my attention every now and then, and no one is bothered about his record? i think that we need to get real about this. we need to be serious about
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this. we need to break our silence on this issue. with that, i'm pleased to yield to mr. crowley, our vice chair. mr. crowley: thank you for your efforts in terms of reminding us of the tragedy of just one year ago, but quite frankly it's about every week we have had a moment of silence over this last year, and we also think about the times when there are individuals who were killed by gun violence that are not criminally related where there is no moment of silence, no recognition of their loss as well. unlike these major tragic events where we have moments of silence. we just came from a conference or caucus meeting where the level of frustration within our caucus is rising. the democratic caucus is frustrated because the republican caucus continues to
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do nothing while there are mass slaughters going on weekly in the united states. will the no fly, no buy bill be a panacea? no. will it solve all the problems? no. but it is a start. that's what the american people are looking for from congress. they want the republicans in the congress who are in the majority to understand they will not tolerate any longer nothing. that's what they have been dealing with so far. that's what they've seen come out of the house of representatives. nothing. we have had 12 votes on no fly, no buy in this congress. and each time, the republican caucus has defeated it. if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. and that's what my republican caucus colleagues don't understand.
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they are part of the problem because they refuse to recognize any step that would diminish gun violence in america. and that needs to change. and our caucus may be frustrated, but we are also energized. we are energized and we are moving forward. we will not sit complacently while our republican colleagues continue to frustrate this system, to not allow any bill of substance to pass when it comes to the issue of gun violence. we will not sit by silently and allow for that to go on any longer. with that, i will recognize the gentleman from new york, my good friend, steve israel. mr. israel: thank you very much. i don't mind house republicans being out of touch. i mind them being dangerously, recklessly out of touch. and on this issue, they couldn't be more out of touch with the american people.
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refusing to enact no fly, no buy is a form of political criminal negligence. it is also a form of stunning political malpractice. 80% of americans support no fly, no buy. 77% of republicans support no fly, no buy. 85% of independents support no fly, no buy. "the new england journal of medicine" did a study, 82% of gun owners support no fly, no buy, and 75% of n.r.a. members support no fly, no buy. and this speaker of the house of representatives and republican majority dangerously turn their backs on the majority of americans and common sense. i've got to tell you something. every time speaker ryan tries to gavel us down, we are going to speak louder.
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he may be able to use a gavel as a tool against us, but we are going to use common sense and public sentiment as a tool against them. you can absolutely count on that. reporter: you mentioned this is just a start. mr. clyburn mentioned it wouldn't have done anything in south carolina. and there are plenty of other mass shootings where it would not have made a difference. why not go bigger and try for that assault weapons ban? mr. becerra: i will see if my colleagues want to respond as well. we are not saying we are going to try to do one thing. we are saying we want to do this. we are tired of not being able to do anything. as mr. israel just pointed out, once again, we are not asking for things that only a fraction of the american people support. we are not asking for things that aren't tested and doable. we are simply trying to get this congress to do its job and do something. no fly, no buy is in front of us. republicans have had an
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opportunity to vote for it. we can do it now. we certainly have a number of us who are supporters of the assault weapon ban. but let's try to get something done, and let's see how far republicans are willing to go. at this stage, it doesn't look like they want to do anything. mr. israel: let me respond really quickly. what frustrates the american people is that we will disagree on certain issues, and we are not going to be able to pass issues where we disagree. but what they want us to do is pass what we can agree on. when 80%, 75% of the american people can agree on no fly, no buy, there is no excuse not to pass that immediately. and then, go on to the other issues. reporter: question regarding getting republican support, because there has been peter king, from your fellow state of new york, bob dold from illinois. is there democratic outreach ongoing now to try to get republicans on board this bill, and how successful is that? mr. crowley: we have a motion to
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recommit. i think there are 178, 180 members on it. we are looking for republican colleagues to support that. as i said before, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. there is a vehicle on the floor right now that if we get a majority of democrats, republicans to support, that bill will come to the floor. the no fly, no buy. i support an assault weapons ban. i looked at these types of weapons, semiautomatic as well as machine guns. i recognize they are made to kill people, and as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time. they are weapons of war. they are not for hunting. they are not for sportsmanship. there is nothing sportmanship about them. i do think we need to do more. there's no question. but we can't get the republican congress to do what i think is the minimalist, that is to pass something that as congressman israel mentioned, there's
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overwhelming support from the american people, both gun owners and n.r.a. supporters. it's remarkable how much power the nra has in the house of representatives. people talk about special interest and their influence on house members, no one, no entity has more power in the united states today in the house of representatives than the republican caucus than the n.r.a. no one. and they are demonstrating it over and over again because they won't even pass a bill that has the majority support of all americans, 75% plus of americans. that's how much power they have, and that needs to come to an end. it's not representative of the american people. it's not even representative of our congress. i know that they don't want this to be the case, but they are so afraid of their own shadow and the n.r.a., they won't move on. mr. clyburn: if i may. the fact of the matter is, i
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think the votes are there. the bill has to come to the floor. only one person can do that. if the speaker would allow any one of these three bills to come to the floor, i think the votes would pass it. that's an issue. reporter: donald trump is meeting with the n.r.a., and he's going to push them on this watch list and no fly list. do you think that will trickle down to congress? you're in agreement with donald trump. mr. israel: if donald trump decides today he supports no fly, no buy, it will be the latest disagreement the republicans have with him. it is irrelevant. mr. crowley: if they can convince the n.r.a. to move forward on this, god bless him, but again, it just goes to show the power of the n.r.a., that their presidential nominee will go on hands and knee begging for them to give them a pass on this issue so they can trickle down to the republican members of the house.
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it's ludicrous. it is crazy. but that's where we are at right now. mr. becerra: i would simply add that we are watching the party of lincoln become the party of trump. we'll see how far they go to become the party of trump. with that, we thank you all for being part of this. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] -- [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] john brennan testifies this morning and an open hearing of the senate select intelligence committee about the cia's operations around the world. you can watch it live beginning at 9:00 a.m. eastern on c-span 3 and c-span.org.
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thea direct result of deepening sectarianism, the civil war in the arab east, the security vacuum that exists in the perception that somehow the arab spring could change the existing order. >> go to book tv.org for the complete weekend schedule. am pleased that the senate as a body has come to this conclusion. the senate will undoubtedly provide citizens with greater access and exposure to the actions of this body. this access will help all better informed of the problems and issues which face this nation on a day by day basis. brought us here is not partisanship but the conduct of one man who happens to be the
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president. be elected by the people and given the most solemn responsibility in the nation to be the chief law enforcement officer of the land, and he failed miserably in that responsibility and he deserves to be impeached. >> i appoint suzanne collins super -- perform the duties of the chair. >> the majority leader is recognize. >> madam president, perhaps you have already noticed my colleagues that the senate seems to be extraordinarily well organized and effective today, and there is a reason for that. with apologies from the chaplain and the majority leader, i think we should note a significant milestone in the 210 year course of the senate history has taken place today. before has a team composed entirely of women members and
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staff opened the day's proceedings. >> celebrating 30 years of coverage of the u.s. senate on c-span 2. the house a bipartisan group of members of congress read at 12 page victim impact statement written by one who was of stanford campus university. members expressed outrage that her attacker only received a six-month jail sentence. this is just under an hour. leader. speier speier thank you, mr. speaker -- ms. speier: thank you, mr. speaker. we are doing something tonight that's never been done before on the house floor. we will read the entire gut wrenching statement of a sexual assault survivor who was attacked on the stanford campus last year. the sexual predator received a sentence of six months in county jail, of which he will serve only three. for committing a violent crime.
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we are not moved by the felon's excuse of alcohol, we are not moved by the judge who said a longer sentence would have a, quote, severe impact, unquote, on the offender. we are not moved by the felon's father who said that his son should not serve jail time for, quote, 20 minutes of action, unquote. emily d.o.e. is a survivor in every -- doe is a survivor in every sense of the word and her worded deserve to be amplified. mr. speaker, i -- words -- words deserve to be amplified. mr. speaker, i ask unanimous conentent -- consent that we read the statement in its entirety without yielding by name to each member to preserve the continuity of the reading. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. ms. speier: your honor, if it's all right, for the majority of this statement, i would like to address the defendant directly. you don't know me. but you have been inside me. and that's why we're here today.
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on january 17, 2015, it was a quiet saturday night at home. my dad made some dinner and i sat at the table with my younger sister who was visiting for the weekend. i was working full time and it was approaching my bed time. i planned to stay at home by myself, watch some tv and read. while she went to a party with her friends. then i decided it was my only night with her. i had nothing better to do. so why not? there's a dumb party 10 minutes from my house, i would go, dance like a fool and embarrass my younger sister. on the way there, i joked that undergrad guys would have braces. my sister teased me for wearing a beige cardigan to a frat party like a librarian. i called myself big mama. because i knew i'd be the oldest one there. i made silly faces, let my guard down and drank liquor too fast. not factoring in that my
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tolerance had significantly lowered since college. the next thing i remembered, i was in a gurney in a hallway. i had dry blood and bandages on the backs of my hands and elbows. i thought maybe i had fallen and was in an admin office on campus. ms. clark: he was very calm and wondering where my sister was. a deputy explained i had been assaulted. i still remained calm, assured he was speaking to the wrong person. i knew no one at this party. when i was finally allowed to use the restroom, i pulled down the hospital pants they had given me, went to pull down my underwear and felt nothing. i still remember the feeling of my hands touching my skin and grabbing nothing. i looked down and there was nothing. the thin piece of fabric, the only thing between my vagina
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and anything else was missing. and everything inside me was silenced. i still don't have words for that feeling. in order to keep breathing, i thought, maybe the policeman used scissors to cut them off for evidence. then i felt the pine needles scratching the back of my neck and started pulling them out of my hair. i thought maybe the pine needles had fallen from a tree onto my head. my brain was talking my gut into not collapsing. because my gut was saying, help me, help me. i shuffled from room to room with a blanket wrapped around me, pine needles trailing behind me, i left a little pile in every room i sat in. i was asked to sign papers that said, rape victim. and i thought, something has really happened. my clothes were confiscated and
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i stood naked while nurses held a ruler to various abrasions on my body and photographed them. the three of us worked to comb the pine needles out of my hair . six hands to fill one paper bag. to calm me down, they said, it's just the flora and fauna. i had multiple swabs inserted into my have a jigea and anus nikon na and anus, had a pointed right into my spread legs. my vagina smeared with cold, blue paint to check for brasions. >> after a few hours of this, they let me shower. i stood there examining my body beneath the steam, and the sided i didn't want my body anymore. i didn't know what had been in
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it. i wanted to take off my body like a jacket and leave it at the hospital with everything else. that morning, all that i was told was that i had been found behind a dumpster, potentially penetrated by a stranger, and i should get retested for h.i.v. because results don't always show up immediately. but for now, i should go home and get back to my normal life. imagine stepping back into the world with only that information. they gave me huge hugs and i walked out of the hospital into the parking lot wearing the new sweatshirt and sweat pants they provided me, they only allowed me to keep my necklace and shoes. my sister picked me up, face wet with tears and contorted in anguish. immediately and instinctively i wanted to take away her pain. i smiled at her and said look at me, i'm right here, everything is ok. my hair is washed and clean they gave me the strangest shampoo, calm down and look at me.
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look at these funny new sweat pants and sweatshirt, i look like a p.e. teacher. let's go home, let's eat something. she didn't know that beneath my sweat suit i had scratches and bandages on the skin. my vagina was sore, my underwear was missing and i felt too empty to continue ospeak. i was also afraid, i was also devastated. that day we drove home and for hours , in silence , my younger sister held me. my boyfriend didn't know what happened but called that day and said, quote, i was really worried about you last night you scared me. did you make it home ok? end quote. i was horrified. that's when i learn id had called him that night in my blackout, left an incomprehensible voice mail that we had also spoken on the phone but i was slurring so heavily he was scared for me and he repeat think told me to go find my
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sister. again he asked me, what happened last night? did you make it home ok? i said yes and hung up to cry. >> i was not ready to tell my boyfriend or parent that i may have been raped behind a dumpster but i don't know by who or when or how. fi told them i'd see the fear on their faces and mine would multiply by tenfold. so i pretended the whole thing wasn't real. i tried to push it out of my mind but it was so heavy, i didn't talking didn't eat, didn't sleep. i didn't interact with anyone. after work, i would drive to a secluded place to scream. i didn't talk, i didn't eat, i didn't sleep, i didn't interact with anyone and i became isolated from the ones i loved most. ms. tsongas: for over a week after the incident i didn't get any calls or updates about what happened to me. the only symbol that proved it
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hadn't been a bad dream was a sweatshirt from the hospital in my drawer. one day i was at work, scrolling through the news on my phone and came across an article. in it, i read and learned for the first time about how i was found unconscious with my hair disheveled, long necklace wrapped around my neck, bra pulled out of my dress, dress pulled over my shoulders and pulled above my waist, that i was butt naked all the day way down to my boots, legs spread apart and ben traited with a foreign object by someone i didn't recognize. this is how i learned what happened to me. sitting at my desk, reading the news at work. i learned what happened to me at the same time everyone else that the world learned what happened to me. that's when the pine needles in my hair made sense. they didn't fall from a tree. he'd taken off my underwear, his fingers had been inside me. i didn't know this person. i still don't know this person. when i read about me leek this, i said, this can't be me. this can't be me. i couldn't digest or accept any
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of this information. >> i could not imagine my family having to read about this online. in the next paragraph i read something i will never forgive. i read that according to him i liked it, i liked it. ms. waters: again, i do not have words for these feelings. it's like if you were to read an article where a car was hit and found dented in a ditch, but maybe the car enjoyed being hit. maybe the other car didn't mean to hit it, just bump it up a little bit. cars get in accidents all the time. people aren't always paying attention. can we really say who is at fault? and then, at the bottom of the article, after i learned about the graphic details of my own
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sexual assault, the article listed his swimming times. she was found breathing, unresponsive, with her underwear six inches away from her bare stomach, curled in fetal position. by the way, he's really good at swimming. throw in my mile time if that's what we're doing. i'm good at cooking. put that in there. i think the end is where you list your extracurriculars to cancel out all the sickening things that have happened. the night, the -- the night the news came out, i sat my parents down and told them that i had been assaulted. to not look at the news because it's upsetting. just know that i'm ok, i'm right here, and i'm ok. but halfway through telling them, my mom had to hold me because i could no longer stand up. the night after it happened, he said he didn't know my name. said he wouldn't be able to
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identify my face in a lineup. didn't mention any dialogue between us, no words, only dancing and kissing. dancing is a cute term. was it snapping fingers and twirling dances? or just bodies grinding up against each other in a crowded room? i wonder if kissing was just faces sloppily pressed up against each other. when the detective asked if he had planned on taking me back to his dorm, he said no. when the detective asked how we ended up behind the dumpster , he said he didn't know. he admitted to kissing other girls at that party. one of whom was my own sister who pushed him away. he admitted to wanting to hook up with someone. i was the wounded animal of the herd. completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself. and he chose me.
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>> sometimes i think if i hadn't gone this never would have happened, but then i realize it would have happened, just to somebody else. you're about to enter four years of access to drunk girls and parties and if this is the foot you started off on, then it is right you did not continue. the night after it happened, he said he thought i liked it because i rubbed his back. a back rub. never mentioned me voicing consent, never mentioned us even speaking of back rubs. one more time in public news, i learned that my ass and vagina were completely exposed outside. my breasts had been groped, fingers had been jabbed inside me along with pine needles and debris. my bare skin and head had been rubbing against the ground erect a dumpster while an freshman was humping my half naked, unconscious body. but i don't remember. so how do i prove i didn't like
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it? i thought there's no way this is going to trial. there were witnesses. there was dirt in my body he ran but he was caught. he's going to settle. formally apologize. and we will both move on. instead, i was told he hired a powerful attorney, expert witnesses, private investigators, who are going to try to find details about my personal life to use against me. find loopholes in my story to invalidate me and my sister in order to show that this sexual assault was in fact a misunderstanding. that he was going to go to any length to convince the world he had simply been confused. i was not only told that i was assaulted, i was told that because i couldn't remember, i technically couldn't prove it was unwanted. and that distorted me, damaged me, almost broke me. it is the saddest type of confusion to be told i was assaulted and nearly raped
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blatantly out in the open, but we don't know if it counts as assault yet. i had to fight for an entire year to make it clear that there was something wrong with this situation. when i was told to be prepared in case we didn't win, i said, i can't prepare for that >> he was guilty the minute i woke up. no one could talk me out of the hurt he caused me. worst of all i was warned because he now knows you don't remember, he's going to get to write the script. he can say whatever he wants and no one can contest it. i had no power. i had no voice. i was defenseless. my memory loss would be used against me. my testimony was weak, was incomplete, and i was made to believe that perhaps i am not enough to win this. his attorney constantly remind the jury the only one we can believe in is brock because she doesn't remember. that helplessness was traumatizing.
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instead of taking time to heal, i was taking time to recall the night in excruciating detail in order to prepare for the attorneys' questions that would be invasive, aggressive and designed to steer me off course, to contradict myself, my sister, freased in ways to manipulate my answers. ms. chu: instead of his attorney saying, did you notice any abrasions? he said, you didn't notice any abrasions, right? this was a game of strategy, as if i could be tricked out of my own worth. the sexual assault had been so clear, but instead here i was at the trial, answering questions like, how old are you? how much do you weigh? what did you eat that day? what did you have for dinner? who made dinner? did you drink with dinner? no. not even water? when did you drink? how much did you drink? what container did you drink out of? who gave you the drink? how much do you usually drink?
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who dropped you off at this party? at what time? where exactly? what were you wearing? why were you going to this party? what did you co-when you got there? will you sure you did that? what time did you do that? what does this text mean? who were you texting? when did you urinate? where did you urinate? with whom did you urinate outside? was your phone on silent when your sister called? do you remember silencing it? really, because on page 53 i'd like to point out that you said it was set to ring. did you drink in college? you said you were a party animal. how many times did you black out? id you party at frats? >> are you serious with your boyfriend? are you sexually active with him? when did you start dating? would you ever cheat? do you have a history of cheating? what do you mean when you said you wanted to reward him? do you remember what time you
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woke up? were you wearing your cardigan? what color was your cardigan? do you remember any more from that night? no? ok. well. we'll let brock fill it in. i was pummeled with narrow, pointed questions that dissected my personal life, love life, ast life, family life, inane question, accumulating trivial details to try and find an excuse for this guy who had me half naked before even boston toring ask for my name. ms. eshoo: after a physical assault, i was assaulted with questions designed to attack me. to say see, her facts don't line up. she's out of her mind. she's practically an alcoholic. she probably wanted to hook up. he's like an athlete. right.
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they were both drunk. whatever the hospital stuff she remembers, it's after the fact. why take it into account? brock has a lot at stake so he's having a really hard time right now. and then, it came for him to testify and i learned what it meant to be revictimized. i want to remind you the night after it happened , he said he never planned to take me back to his dorm. he said he didn't know why we were behind a dumpster he got up to leave because he wasn't feeling well. when he was suddenly chased and attacked. then he learned i could not remember. so one year later, as predicted, a new dialogue emerged. brock had a strange new story. almost sounded like a poorly written young adult novel with kissing and dancing and hand
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holding and lovingly tumbling onto the ground and most importantly in this new story, there was suddenly consent. one year after the incident, he remembered, oh, yeah. by the way, she actually said yes. to everything. so, he said he had asked if i wanted to dance. apparently, i said yes. he asked if i wanted to go to his dorm. i said yes. then he asked if he could finger me. and i said yes. most guys don't ask, can i finger you. usually there's a natural progression of things unfolding consensually. not a q&a. but apparently, i granted full permission. he's in the clear. even in his story, i only said a total of three words.
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yes, yes, yes. before he had me half naked on he ground. >> for future reference, if you are confused about whether a girl can consent, see if she can speak an entire sentence. you couldn't even do that. just one coherent string of words. where was the confusion? this is common sense. human decency. according to him, the only reason we were on the ground was because i fell down. note, if a girl falls down, help her get back up. if she is too drunk to even walk and falls down, do not mount her, hump her, take off her underwear and insert your hand inside her vagina. tack tack if a girl -- mr. takano: if a girl falls down,
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-- mr. takano: if a girl falls down, help her up. if she's wearing a cardigan over her dress, don't take it off so you can touch her breasts. maybe she's cold. maybe that's why she wore the cardigan. next in the story, two swedes on bicycles approached you. and you ran. when they tackled you, why didn't you say, stop, everything's ok, go ask her, she's right over there, she'll tell you? i mean, you had just asked for my consent, right? i was awake, right? when the police arrived and interviewed the evil swede who tackled you, he was crying so hard he couldn't speak because of what he had seen. your attorney has repeatedly pointed out, well, we don't know exactly when she became unconscious. and you're right. maybe i was still fluttering my
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eyes and wasn't completely limp yet. that was never the point. i was too drunk to speak english, too drunk to consent way before i was on the ground. i should never have been touched in the first place. barack stated, at no time -- broc k-stated, at no time did i say that she was not responding. if at any time i thought she was not responding, i would ave stopped immediately. here's one thing, if your plan was to stop only when i became unresponsive, then you still do not understand. you didn't even stop when i was unconscious anyway. someone else stop you. two guys on bikes noticed i wasn't moving in the dark and had to tackle you. how did you not notice while on top of me? you said you would have stopped and gotten help. you say that, but i want you to explain how you would have
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helped me step by step, walk me through this. i want to know if those evil swedes, if those evil swedes had not found me, how the night would have played out. >> i'm asking you, would you have pulled my underwear back on over my boots? untangled the necklace wrap around my neck? closed my legs? cover me? picked the pine needles from my hair? asked if the abrasions on my neck and bottom hurt? would you then go find a friend an said -- and say, will you help me get her somewhere warm and soft? i don't sleep when i think about the way it could have gone if the two guys had never come. what would have happened to me? that's what you'll never have a good answer for. mrs. dingell: that's what you can't explain, even after a
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year. on top of all of this, he claimed that i orgasmed after one minute of digital penetration. the nurse said that there had been abrasions, lass rations and dirt in my genitalia. was that before or after i came? to sit under oath and inform all of us that, yes, i wanted it, yes, i permitted it, and that you are the true victim attacked by swedes for reasons unknown to you is appalling, it isdy meanted, -- is demented, is selfish, is danieling. it is enough to be suffering -- damaging. it is enough to be suffering. it's another thing to have someone ruthlessly working to diminish the gratitude of vappedity of this suffering -- validity of this suffering. my family had to see pictures of my head strapped to a gurney full of pine needles, of my body in the dirt with my eyes closed, hair messed up, limbs
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bent and dress hiked up. and even after that, my family had to listen to your attorney say the pictures were after the fact, we can dismiss them. to say, yes, her nurse confirmed that there was redness and abrasions inside of her, significant trauma to her genitalia, but that's what happens when you finger someone, and he's already admitted to that. to listen to your attorney attempt to paint a picture of me, the face of girls gone wild , if somehow that would make it so, that i had this coming to me. to listen to him say, i sounded drunk on the phone because i'm silly and that's my goofy way of speaking. to point out that in the voicemail i said i would reward my boyfriend and we'd all know what i was thinking. i assure you, my rewards program is nontransferable. especially to any nameless man hat approaches me.
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ms. kaptur: he has done irreversible damage to me and my family during the trial. and we have sat silently, listening to him shape the evening. but in the end, his unsupported statements and his attorney's twisted logic fooled no one. the truth won. the truth spoke for itself. you are guilty. 12 jurors convicted you guilty. of three felony counts, beyond reasonable doubt. that's 12 votes per count. 36 yeses confirming guilt. that's 100% unanimous guilt. and i thought, finally, it's over. finally he will own up to what he did, truly apologize, and we
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will both move on and get better. and then i read your statement. if you are hoping that one of my organs will implode from anger and i will die, i am almost there. you are very close. this is not a story of another drunk college hookup with poor decision making. assault is not an accident. somehow you still don't get it. somehow you still sound confused. i will now read portions of the defendant's statement and respond to them. you said, being drunk, i just couldn't make the best decisions and neither could she. alcohol is not an he can cuse. -- an excuse. is it a facter? yes, but alcohol was not the one who stripped me, fingered me, had my head dragging against the ground with me almost fully naked, having too
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much to drink was an amateur mistake that i admit to. but it is not criminal. everyone in this room has had a night where they regretted drinking too much. or know someone -- knows someone close to them has had a night where they regretted drinking too much. regretting drinking is not the same as regretting sexual assault. we were both drunk. the difference is, i did not take off your pants and underwear, touch you inappropriately and run away. that's the difference. you said, if i wanted to get to know her i should have asked for her number rather than asking her to go back to my room. i'm not mad because you didn't ask for my number. even if you did know me, i would not want to be in this situation. my own boyfriend knows me, but if he asked to finger me behind a dumpster, i would slap him. no girl wants to be in this situation.
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nobody. i don't care if you know their phone number or not. you said, i stupidly thought it was ok for me to do what everyone around me was doing, which was drinking. i was wrong. >> again, you were not wrong for drinking. everyone around you was not sexual assaulting me. you were wrong for doing what nobody else was doing. ms. gabbard: which was pushing your erect dick in your pants against my naked, defenseless body, concealed in a dark where arey party goers could no longer see or protection me -- protect me and my own sister could not find me. sipping fireball is not your crime. peeling off and discarding my underwear like a candy wrapper to insert your finger into my body is where you went wrong. why am i still explaining this? you said during the trial, i didn't want to victimize her at
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all. that was just my attorney. and his way of approaching the case. your attorney is not your scapegoat. he represents you. did your attorney say some incredulously infuriating, degrading things? absolutely. he said you had an erection because it was cold. you said, you're in the process of establishing a program for high school and college students in which you speak about your experience to, quote, speak out against the college campus drinking culture and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that. end of quote. campus drinking culture. that's what we're speaking out against? you think that's what i've spent the past year fighting for? not awareness about campus sexual assault or rape or learning to recognize consent, campus drinking culture. down with jack daniels. down with sky vodka. if you want to talk to people
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about drinking, go to an a.a. meeting. you realize, having a drinking problem is different than drinking and then forcefully trying to have sex with someone? show men how to respect women. not how to drink less. drinking culture and the sexual promiscuity thatty that goes along with that. goes along with that. like a side effect. like fries on the side of your order. where does promiscuity even come into play? i don't see headlines that read, brock turner, guilty of drinking too much and sexual promiscuity that goes along with that. campus sexual assault. there's your first power point slide. rest assured, if you fail to fix the topic of your talk, i will follow you to every school you go to and give a follow-up resentation. >> mr. poe: lastly, you said, i
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want to shee people that one night of drinking can ruin a life. one life, a life, yours, you forgot about mipe. let me rephrase it for you. i want to show people that one night of drinking can ruin two lives. you and me. you are the cause, i am the effect. you have dragged me through this hell with you. dipped me back into that night again and again and again. you knocked down both of our towers. i collapsed at the same time you did. if you think i was spared, came out unscathed, that today i ride off into the sunset while you suffer the greatest blow, you are mistaken. my independence, my natural joy , gentleness and steady lifestyle that i had been enjoying became distorted because of recognition.
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became closed off, angry, self-deprecating, tired, irritable, empty, the isolation at times was unbearable. you cannot get me back the life i had before that night either. while you worry about your shattered reputation, i refrigerated spoons every night so that when i woke up and my eyes were puffy from crying, i could hold a spoon on my eye to lessen the swelling. so i could see. i showed up an hour late to work every morning and excused myself to cry in the stairwells. i can tell you all the best places in that building to cry where no one can hear you. the pain became so bad that i had to explain the private details to my boss to let her know why i was leaving. i needed time because continuing day to day was just
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not possible. i used my savings to go away as far as i could. i did not return to work full-time because -- full time because i knew i'd have to take weeks off in the future for the hearing and the trial. that were constantly being rescheduled. my life was put on hold for over a year, my structure had collapsed. i can't sleep alone at night without having the light on. like a 5-year-old. because i have nightmares of being touched where i cannot wake up. i did this thing where i waited until the sun came up and i felt safe enough to go to sleep. for three months i went to bed at 6:00 in the morning. nobody wins. we all have been devastated. we all have been trying to find some meaning in all of this suffering. your damage was concrete. stripped of your titles, degrees, enrollment. my damage was internal.
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unseen. i carry it with me. you took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my safety, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice. until today. see, one thing we have in common is that we are both unable to get up in the morning. i'm no stranger to suffering. you made me a victim. in newspapers my name was unconscious intoxicated woman. 10 syllables, nothing more than that. . for a while i believed that, that's all i was. i had to force myself to relearn my real name, my identity, to relearn that this is not all that i am. that i'm not just a drunk victim at a frat party. found behind a dumpster while you are the all american swimmer at a top university. innocent until proven guilty,
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with so much at stake. i am a human being. who has been irreversibly hurt. my life was put on hold for over a year. waiting to figure out if i was worth something. i used to pride myself on my independence. now i'm afraid to go on walks in the evening, to attend social events with drinking among friends where i should be comfortable. i have become a little barnacle, always needing to be at someone's side. to have my boyfriend standing next to me, sleeping beside me, protecting me. it is embarrassing, how feeble i feel, how timidly i move through life. always guarded, ready to defend myself, ready to be angry. you have no idea how hard i was worked to rebuild parts of me that are still weak. it took me eight months to even talk about what happened to me. i could no longer connect with friends, with everyone around
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me. i would scream at thinkmy boyfriend , my own family whenever they brought this up. you never let me forget what happened to me. >> at the end of the hearing, the trial, i was too tired to speak. i would leave drain, silent. i would go home, turn off my phone and for days i would not speak, you bought me a ticket to a planet where i lived by myself. every time a new article came out, i lived with the paranoia that my entire hometown would find out and know me as the girl who got assaulted. i didn't want anyone's pity and i'm still learning to accept victim as part of my identity. you made my own hometown an uncomfortable place to be. you cannot give me back my sleepless night the way i have broken down sobbing uncontrollably if i'm watching a movie and a woman is harmed. mr. swalwell: to say it lightly
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this experience has expanded my empathy for victims. i have lost weight from stress. when people commented, i said i'm running a lot lately. there are times i don't want to be touched. i have to relearn i'm not fragile, i'm capable, i'm wholesome, not just livid and weak. when i see my younger sister hurt, when she is unable to keep up in school, when she's deprived joy, when she's not sleep, when she's crying so hard on the phone she's barely breathing, telling me over and over again she's sorry for leaving me alone that night. sorry. sorry. sorry. when she feels more guilt than you. then i do not forgive you. that night i had called her to try to find her but you found me first. your attorney's closing statement began, in quotes, her sister said she was fine and who knows her better than her sister, end quote. you tried to use my own sister against me. your points of attack were so weak.
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so low. it was almost embarrassing. you do not touch her. you should have never done this to me. secondly, you should have never made me fight so long to tell you you should have never done this to me. but here we are. the damage is done. no one can undo it. and now we both have a choice. we can let this destroy us, i can remain angry and hurt and you can be in denial. or we can face it head on. i accept the pain, you accept the punishment, and we move on. your life is not over. you have decades of years ahead to rewrite your story. the world is huge, it is so much bigger than pa la alto an stanford. and you will make a place for yourself in it where you can be useful and happy, but right now you do not get to shrug your shoulders and be confused anymore. you do not get to pretend there were no red flags. you have been convicted of violating me, intentionally,
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forcibly, sexually, with malicious intent and all you can admit to doing is consuming alcohol? do not talk about the sad way your life was upturned because alcohol made you do bad things. figure out how to take responsibility for your own conduct. >> now, to address the sentencing. when i read the probation officer's report, i was in isbelief, consumed by anger. which eventually quieted down to profound sadness. my statements have been slimmed down to distortion and taken out of context. i fought hard during this trial and will not have the outcome minimized by a probation officer who attempted to evaluate my current state and my wishes in a 15-minute conversation. ms. sanchez: the majority of which was spent answering
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questions i had about the legal system. the context is also important. brock has yet to issue a statement and i had not read his remarks. my life has been on hold for over a year. a year of anger and anguish and uncertainty. until a jury of my peers rendered a judgment that validated the injustices i had endured. had brock admitted guilt and remorse and offered to settle early on, i would have considered a lighter sentence. respecting his honesty. grateful to be able to move our lives forward. instead, he took the risk of going to trial, added insult to injury, and forced me to relive
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the hurt as details about my personal life and sexual assault were brutally dissected before the public. he pushed me and my family through a year of inexplicable, unnecessary suffering. and he should face the consequences of challenging his crime, of putting my pain into question, and of making us wait so long. issue so long for justice. >> i told the probation officer that i do not want brock to rot away in prison. i did not say he does not deserve to be behind bars. the probation officer's recommendation of a year or less in county jail is a soft time
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out. a mockery. a mockery of the seriousness of his assault, an insult to me and all women. it gives a message that a stranger can be inside you without proper consent and he will receive less than what has been defined as the minimum sentence. mrs. davis: probation should be denied. i also told the probation officer that what i truly wanted was for brock to get it. to understand. and admit to his wrongdoing. unfortunately, after reading the defendant's report, i am severely disappointed and feel that he has failed to exhibit sincere remorse or responsibility for his conduct. i fully respected his right to a trial.
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but even after 12 jurors unanimously convicted him guilty f three felonies, all he has admitted is doing -- all he has admitted doing is ingesting alcohol? someone who cannot take full accountability for his actions does not deserve a mitigating sentence. it is deeply offensive that he would try and dilute rape with a .uggestion of promiscuity by definition, rape is not the absence of promiscuity. rape is the absence of consent. and it perturbs me deeply that he can't even see that distinction. >> the probation officer
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factored in that the defendant is youthful and has no prior convictions. in my opinion, he's old enough to know what he did was wrong. when you are 18 in this country, you can go to war. when you are 19, you are old enough to pay the consequence for attempting to rape someone. he is young. but he is old enough to know better. as this is his first offense, i can see where leniency would beckon. on the other hand, as a society, we cannot forgive everyone's first sexual assault or digital rape. mr. gosar: it doesn't make sense. the seriousness of rape has to be communicated clearly. we should not create a culture that suggests we learn that rape is wrong through trial and error. the consequences of sexual assault needs to be severe enough that people feel enough fear to exercise good judgment even if they are drunk. severe enough to be preventive. the probation officer weighed the fact that he has surrendered a hard-earned swimming scholarship how much fast brock swims does not lessen the
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severity of what happened to me and should not lessen the severity of his punishment. if a first-time offender from an underprivileged background was accused of three felonies and displayed no accountability for his actions other than drinking, what would be his sentence? the fact that brock was an athlete at a private university should not be seen as an entitlement to leniency but as an opportunity to send a message. that sexual assault is against the law, regardless of social class. >> the plobation officer has stated that this case, when compared to other crimes of similar nature may be considered less serious due to the defendant's level of intoxication. it felt serious, that's all i'm going to say. what has he done to demonstrate that he deserves a break? he has only apologized for drinking and has yet to define what he did to me as sexual
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assault. he has revictimized me continually, relentlessly. he has been found guilty of three serious felonies and it's time for him to accept the consequences of his actions. he will not be quietly excused. he is a lifetime sex registrant. that doesn't expire. just like what he did to me doesn't expire. doesn't just go away after a set number of years. it stays with me. it's part of my identity. it has forever changed the way i carry myself the way i live, the -- the way i live the rest of my life. to conclude, i want to say thank you to everyone from the intern who made me oatmeal when i woke up at the hospital that morning,
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to the deputy who waited beside me, to the nurses who calmed me, to the detective who listened to me and never judged me. ms. kuster: to my advocates who stood unwaveringly beside me. to my therapist who taught me to find courage in vulnerability. to my boss, for being kind and understanding. to my incredible parents, who teach me how to turn pain into strength. to my grandma, who snuck chocolate into the courtroom throughout this to give to me. my friends, who remind me how to be happy. to my boyfriend, who is patient and loving. to my uncomparable sister, who is the other half of my heart. alaila, my idol, who fought tirelessly and never doubted me.
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mr. gohmert: thank you to everyone involved in the trial for their time and attention. thank you to girls across the nation that wrote cards to my d.a. to give to me. so many strangers who cared for me. most importantly, thank you to the two men who saved me. who i have yet to meet. i sleep with two bicycles that i drew taped above my head -- bf my bed to remind -- above my bed to remind myself that there are heros in this story, that we are looking out for one another. to have known all these people, to have felt their protection and love is something i will ever forget. ms. speier: and finally, to girls everywhere, i am with you. on nights when you feel alone, i am with you. when people doubt you, or dismiss you, i am with you.
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i fought every day for you, so never stop fighting. i believe you. as the author anne lamott once wrote, lighthouses don't go running all over the island looking for boats to save they just stand there shining. although i can't save every boat, i hope that by speaking today, you absorb a small amount of light, a small knowing that you can't be silenced. a small satisfaction that justice was served. a small assurance that we are getting somewhere. and a big, big knowing that you are important. unquestionably. you are untouchable. you are beautiful. you are to be valued, respected, undeniably, every minute of
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every day, you are powerful and nobody can take that away from you. to girls everywhere, i am with you. thank you. >> on the next "washington journal" they discuss the mass shooting in orlando and u.s. gun laws and we'll talk about the enlistment of nonstens in the u.s. army. "washington journal" at 7:00 a.m. eastern time on c-span. >> i often say 50 is not the new 30 and 50 is the new 50 and it looks good and it's ok and that people are to own their age and we ought not be talking about being over 50 as a klein.
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a" julian night on "q& jenkins talks about the health and financial challenges older americans face and what aarp is doing to assist them and is author of the book "disrupt aging, a bold new path at living your life at any age." >> the fastest growing is people over 85 and second is people over the age of 100. when these programs were put in place life expect eabs was 67 or 68. not only are there more people in the system but they're living longer. we have to be able to look at these programs and make meaningful adjustments that is going to allow people to live with dignity at a much longer period of time. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." after the surrender at appomattox, the united states
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faced more than a decade of challenges during reconstruction, and policies snute at that time had a lasting impact on american history. this saturday, starting at 1:00 p.m. eastern, american history tv on c-span 3 is live from gettysburg college from gettysburg, pennsylvania, for the annual civil war institute civil conference as professor look at issues that confronted our country with freed people camps with abigail cooper, sistant professor at the amberdice university and the post civil war career of ulysses s. grant with brook simpson from arizona state university and hear conversations on the return of the confederate veteran and origins of the lost cause. the annual civil war institute summer conference, live all day
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saturday beginning at 1:00 p.m. eastern on c-span 3's american history tv for the complete american history tv weekend schedule, go to c-span.org. >> citizens of the united kingdom will vote next week whether or not to stay members of the european union. prime minister cameron has made the case for staying in this week's question of prime minister's questions. this is 40 minutes. >> order. questions to the prime inister. number one, please, mr. speaker. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i know the whole house will join me in sending our profound sympathies to the family and friends of the 49 people who died in the horrific attack in orlando on sunday. this was an evil attack of
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terrorism and homophobic hatred and we utterly condemn both of them. this attack along with the callous murder of a french police couple monday is a stark reminder of the challenge we face to defeat the poisonous ideology. i believe together with our friends and allies and with our common values we will prevail. it has enormous potential for
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serving the ugochi: even market. does the prime minister share my concern that this opportunity would unnecessarily be placed at risk. f the u.k. leaves the e.u. i certainly share his concern. >> next week we have an opportunity to put our place in the single market beyond doubt and hope we wake up june 24 knowing businesses will invest more in our country, create more jobs in our country and see more jobs in our country because that will help the families in our country and unemployment figures show another fall in unemployment and see continued progress to see our country moving forward. >> thank you, mr. speaker, i concur and join with the prime
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minister in his remarks about the terrible deaths in orlando. on monday i joined a vigil of thousands of lgbt people in sojo in london to mourn the deaths of the 49 and also we want to say thank to you all those all over the country who attended vigils monday night to show their concern and their horror about it. quite simply we defeat such atrocities through our love and solidarity and we need to send that message out. three years ago, mr. speaker, there was a cross party agreement for the implementation of section 40 of the crime and courts act and to proceed, once criminal prosecutions were concluded. the prime minister will be aware that today there is a lobby of parliament by the victims of phone hacking. the prime minister said a few years ago we all did too much cozying up to rupert murdoch. well, some of his colleagues are certainly cozying up to rupert murdoch at the moment but will the prime minister give a commitment today that he will meet the victims and
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ensure them he will keep his promise on this? >> first of all, let me echo what he said about the orlando bombings. in terms of the levenson issue, we said we'd make a decision about the second stage this inquiry once the criminal investigations and prosecutions were out of the way. they are still continuing so that is the situation there. i have met with victims of press intrusion and am happy to continue to do so again. i think right now people can accuse me of many things but cozying up to rupert murdoch is probably not one of them. >> mr. speaker, my question was those of ate meet phone hacking? he promised. in the lead campaign, i quote, if it were up to me i'd privatize the national health service. another member said if people have to pay for n.h.s. services
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they will value them more. an honorable member has put the n.h.s. in record deficit. these people are now masquerading as the saviors of the n.h.s., wolves in sheep's clothing. didn't the honorable member get it right when she rejected the cue -- duplicity in the lead campaign and decided to join the other campaign? >> i'm delighted what my honorable friend said about wanting about changing her mind which is a brave thing for politicians to do and saying that she thought the n.h.s. would be safer if we remain inside a reformed european union and i believe that very profoundly because the key to a strong n.h.s. is a strong economy and don't think there can be any doubt the 10 economists and governor of the bank of england and the oecd
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and all other organizations saying our economy will be stronger and it's a strong economy that deliver as strong n.h.s. 6 >> last week the prime minister gave a welcomed commitment to the closing of the loophole in the posting of workers' directive. we'll hold him to take. -- to that. i'm concerned about the exploitation of migrant workers and the undercutting of wages in this country as a result of that. on that issue, will the prime minister today commit to the outlawing of the practice of agencies that only advertise abroad for jobs that are in reality jobs in this country? >> first of all, we absolutely agree about the evils of modern slavery and why this government passed the bill with all parties support and doubled the fine which is can be put on companies for exploiting labor in this way. we strengthened the gang master's licensing authority and they've commenced and carried out a number of prosecutions, including in the
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east of england where i was yesterday so we'll continue to take action on every level to make sure that people are paid the wages that they should be paid and the protections are there on the minimum wage and now on the national living wage. i think all of those are vitally important and we'll continue with those measures and want people to get a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. >> mr. speaker, my question was about outlawing the practice of advertising by agencies only in other countries. tens of thousands of e.u. and other people have migrated to britain and work in our public services and do a fantastic job. many people in britain are also concerned about immigration and their local communities. surely, mr. speaker, what communities need is practical solutions like the migrant impact fund set up by gordon brown when he was prime minister to deal with the extra pressure on housing, schools and hospitals. will the prime minister now concede that it was a mistake to abolish that fund when he
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worked with us to reinstate us as a matter of urgency. to give support to those communities on doctor surgeries? >> he's absolutely right. to answer the question about advertising and workers agencies and employment agencies that only advertise for overseas workers, we're looking at that to see if we can -- we announced it already to see if we can ban that practice because we don't believe that's right. of course the answer to so many of these questions is to actually make sure we are training, educating and employing british people and getting them the qualifications they need to take on the jobs our economy is creating and today's unemployment figures are another reminder of that. in terms of funds to help communities impacted by migration, we have a pledge in our manifesto which we are looking forward to bringing forward a controlled migration fund to make sure we put money into communities where there are pressures because of course there are some pressures and we do need to address
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and i'm happy that we will be will to work on a cross party basis to do that. there are good ways of controlling migration, and one of them is the important role so people do not get instant access to our welfare system, that there are bad ways of controlling immigration, and wrecking our economy is one of them. economy is certainly them. thank you, mr. speaker. today campaigning on fishing quotas not going to the u.k. domestic reach. look out the window and i haven't seen them come yet, but reasonably on the way. the prime minister will be aware that reforms that were made three years ago actually put the power back into the hands of member states and it's the u.k. government giving nearly two thirds of the english and welsh fishing quotas to just three companies.if excluding small communities all along our coast.
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can the prime minister stop blaming brussels and tell our sustainable fishing community what action he will take to allow them to continue their work and indeed go further out in collecting fish. >> first of all, can i thank him for the reforms we carry through in the last parliament in my honorable friend was actually crucial in delivering those changes. what was actually seen in the last five years is an increase in the value of the u.k. fishing industry is something like 20%. the points i would make is to export every year a billion pounds of fish to the e.u. and there's no country in the world that has a trade agreement that doesn't involve tariffs, taxes on the sale of its fish. there's no way to get a better deal from the outside them until they get on the inside. working with our fishermen, keeping the market open in
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making sure that we manage our stocks locally and appropriately as part of our plan. >> the government still did end quote is over to three very large companies at the expense of small communities around written. i hope he will reflect on that. but just eight days to go before the referendum, the labor position is we are going to be voting to remain because they believe it is the best way to stop tad to protect jobs and public services. we would oppose any budget just as they've opposed any austerity budget proposed by this government. for the prime minister take this opportunity to condemn the opportunism of 57 colleagues who have sent in the numbers to back the bedroom tax, and care for the elderly who suddenly have
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now had a devastating version to the entire stare at a movement. does he have any message for him at all? >> what i say to the right honorable gentleman is there are very few times when he and i are on the same side of an argument. this may save the people watching back in home doing it got the leader of the labour party and indeed almost all of the labour party conservative government, and the scottish national party saying we have huge disagreements, but on this issue, the best option for britain is to remain in the european union. this is a huge choice for our country. choices have consequences. if we wake up and we remain in our economy and continue to move
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forward, if we thought out, the experts warn us will have a smaller economy, less employment, lower wages and less tax receipts. that is why we would have to have measures to address a huge hole in our public finances. nobody wants to have an emergency budget. nobody wants cuts in public services. nobody wants tax increases. but i would say this. there's only one thing worse than not addressing the crisis in public finances and that is ignoring it. if you ignore crisis, you see your economy go into a tailspin. confident that your country reduce. we can avoid all of this by voting next week. [shouting] thank you, mr. speaker. [inaudible]
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the finest answer like the taste from many brewed locally recognized the u.k. can the prime minister -- they must benefit small and medium-sized arrays in the country. >> happy to agree with my honorable friend. having spent last week, i agree with eric that a large quantity is one of the best ways to get through this referendum campaign and i would recommend it to everybody. the british industry is in good health because of the duty cuts for my right honorable friend a chance there because of the microburst tax regime. they've got cry still coming through in our country. it's an industry in good state did they want the single market open and they want us to remain in.
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thank you, mr. speaker. on orlando and on the death of condolence has been expressed by the prime minister and leader of the opposition, we are now a week away from the biggest question of the u.k. has faced in a long time and that is the continuing membership of the european union. exports of goods and services from this irish economy are massively important. hundreds of thousands of jobs depend on them come and meanwhile public services including the nhs are supported by many hard-working people from elsewhere. does the prime minister agree with me if we want to protect jobs, protect public services, we must vote to remain in the european union. >> i do believe the most important argument, but the most important is the future of our economy and it seems obvious to me you can listen to experts or make a commonsense argument today we have full access to 500 million people for an
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economy like scotland. there is no way we get a better deal with a single market on the outside can we get on the inside. if we've laughed, we would see our economy suffered. we would be job suffered. that is just plain common sense. i agree with him for jobs and for likely does we should remain in. but as a consequence for finances because if our economy is doing well, public finances would be doing a spell and have consequences for scotland, too. >> on that issue, may raise that with the prime minister. today we've learned from a conservative chant the ibx checker in the former labour chancellor that they would be likely to be 30 billion pounds in cuts to public services or tax writers. what impact would that have on public services in scotland? please can we learn now before
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we vote what impact would that have on the budget in scotland that pays for the nhs and for all key public services. another reason we must go to remain in the european. the >> what i say is that these figures are not days on what the chancellor of the exchequer is saying. they are based on the institute of fiscal studies and economic social research talking about 20 to 40 billion hole in our public finances if you were to go ahead. these organizations often quoted across this house many times against the government because they respected for independence. clearly if that is the impact on public finances, decisions to cut public spending in the u.k. budget to have an impact on scotland. to anyone who says these warnings of coors could be wrong
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or inaccurate. this uncomfortable point to make to the right honorable gentleman. there were warnings before the scottish referendum. it turned out to be worse than the experts warn. thank you, mr. speaker. since the terrorist attack in paris and brussels, many of my constituents are worried that remaining in the e.u. with fears exacerbated by people like nigel for roche. does my right honorable friend agree that they are helped, not hindered by the e.u. >> out save directly to my honorable friend i've done this job for six years. i'd working with the secretary, seeing how closely intelligence and security services work with other services around the world.
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by the way we work and i am in no doubt the increasing extent of information exchange and takes place through the european union is a direct benefit to our country here at its not just that you need a border. you also need information and intelligence to police the border properly. the passenger name records. of course outside the e.u. we could negotiate and we are and then driving them and making them keep people safe in our country. >> mr. speaker, they expect to receive 10 million pounds in e.u. funding over the next three years. they keep to attract businesses to the qvc which created 2.5000 jobs. isn't the case that this important funding from the e.u. could be lost if we both leave
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the european union. >> the gentleman makes an important point, which if you look at the independent report, they say there is no financial saving from leaving the e.u. the issue for fiscal studies conclude that leaving the e.u. would not leave more money to spend on the nhs. preferably by spending less on public services are taxing more. i would argue that there is a dividend from remaining inside the e.u. and we start to feel it next friday. britain made a decision and investors would know that britain meant business and they are investing in our country. there's no saving from leaving and that's what the experts agree. thank you, mr. speaker. the number of children growing up in something nearly half a million since 2010. will the prime minister continue
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wages are no more jobs in a growing economy. >> i think my honorable friend is right that the most important thing we can do is to help them get the job to earn a living and provide for their family and in our strategy measuring work crews i think are really important in helping to ensure we continue to let children out of poverty. the >> mr. speaker, we live in businesses but the chairman said tonight the votes next week are hurt by the trail of immigrants that the first friends on sunday and are considering leaving permanently if we exit the e.u. while the prime minister to stay as they are highly valued.
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>> there are many people who work hard and make a contribution and help to build our communities. it is important to get the numbers in some days. e.u. nationals, italians, germans and the rest of it. only five are going to be e.u. and national spirit as he says, but get nhs pay 50,000 e.u. nationals working as doctors and nurses. 60,000 e.u. nationals helping to look after elderly relatives with dementia and other conditions as they come towards the end of our life. pointing to make sure people who come here make a contribution but we should celebrate the contribution they make. the thank you, mr. speaker. given the government enthusiasm for making forecasts and predictions, can the prime minister please tell the house in which year will we meet our manifesto commitment to reduce
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immigration into the tens of thousands? last year for which e.u. migration with imbalance and british nationals leaving our shores to work in europe and a number of e.u. nationals coming to live and work here. the last year that was imbalance was 2008. i would say to my honorable friend we need to do more to control migration from outside the e.u. and we are doing that with the closure of colleges and other measures and we are doing more inside the e.u., not saying if they don't get a job after six months they have to leave. if they do work, they have to contribute for years before they get access to the welfare system. those are sensible ways of controlling immigration. a non-sensible way is damaging jobs, economy and having to explain why we self imposed a recession on our economy.
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>> many from my constituency are struggling to make ends meet. the world trade organization say if we leave the e.u. we could save major terrorist state and would have to renegotiate over 163 agreements. does the prime minister agree with me that leaving the e.u. but take the cost of living is too big a risk to take. >> it is always the poorest of those and economy suffers a recession. there are two ways in which the cost of living could be a factor. if we lived the single market, go to wto rules, we'll have tariffs imposed on the goods they sell to europe and that would make us suffer. many independent experts forecast the cost of living rises in the cost of family shop rises in holiday rancid and
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she's right it's not worth the risk. we should keep our country safe. thank you, mr. speaker. file in the chance is very welcome announcement to the growth commission, could the prime minister outlined the focus to deliver the much-needed infrastructure and economic development that would allow my wonderful constituent did. >> whenever i get a question, i remember how grateful i am that she is sitting or rochester and representing happy days. [shouting] in terms of the 2050 growth commission from the key areas are still in infrastructure and there is a serious amount of money committed to the infrastructure and we need to look at things including the crossing to make sure they can make the most of
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its potential. thank you, mr. speaker. 2.5000 in my constituency jobs are dependent on e.u. trade. the rights are protected by the chapter and may have been rebuilt. are they producing more spend than a potter's wheel? despite europe's loss, they could give us picking up the pieces of a broke and economy for years to come. >> i'm going to make that sound bite. it's a good one. the honorable lady is spray. if we leave the single market and the european union, the process probably takes two years
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and after that you then have to negotiate a trade deal with the european union undergoes a trade deal like canada, that could take seven years and we're seven years and we're looking at decade of uncertainty for our economy. i am advised by my parliamentary private sector before they did do a worthwhile job of working in that industry -- [laughter] [shouting] he may not be spending pots anymore, but a spinning from effectively. we exported 38 billion pounds in china to the e.u. and if we were outside without a trade deal, there would be a 12% tax. i don't want to stay british manufacturers, car makers. we should be investing in most industries in helping them support and not making the situation difficult. thank you, mr. speaker. 30 years ago when i was a little
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flat, my parents quit their jobs jobs -- [laughter] 30 years ago, my parents quit their jobs and founded a school manufacturing business around our kitchen table. today, british manufacturers were particularly small businesses are worried. they are worried because if we leave the european union, they'll continue to make their product to common european standards because they value the free market. they value the single market. they value and want to export. they are aware the united kingdom will have no say whatsoever in the formulation of those standards and their competitive advantage will be destroyed. what advice does my right honorable friend have for my parents, for small businesses and for the millions of jobs that depend on them.
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>> i always assumed that honorable friend was under 30. i'm shocked to get this news. he makes an important point that if we were to leave, we lose the seat around a table that fits the rules of a single market. sometimes those rules can be annoying or burdensome. at the end of the day they are the most we have to meet. if you have no say over those rules, you don't gain control, users control. that's an absolutely crucial argument on why small businesses are back in the e.u. as well as a large majority of. >> dr. alastair make donald. >> mr. speaker, could i endorse the comments that the comments of the prime minister about our window and pirates of the death they are. could assured the prime minister it is fully behind them fully behind him in his efforts to secure.
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but the campaigners have been securing our borders are spending more crime. when it comes to building order for the u.k. and the rest of the e.u. we are dismissed until would change there. he returned to customs passport checks and hard border would be critical -- critical economic issue. can the prime minister once and for all tell the people of northern ireland what will become of the border if the u.k. wants to leave the european union. >> and thank him for his remarks about dear linda shooting. on this issue if we vote to stay in, we know what the situation is. when of the common travel area works. we know it can continue under can continue to never one can have confidence. if we were to leave and make a big issue about borders, outside the european union and therefore
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you could only you there have been new border controls between the republic and northern ireland for which we would regret some sort of checks on people as they left belfast or other parts of northern ireland to come to the rest of the united kingdom. we can avoid these risks. risk to her children's jobs, risks to economic future, border community. i say avoid the risks. thank you, mr. speaker. next week i'll be visiting 25 stores in my constituency to explain both sides of the referendum argument to the most heavily impacted by a decision which they cannot make. but the prime minister have been a worse for the young people for the remaining segment? >> and very grateful. but i would say it this is a vote for those people in the schools unable to vote will affect their futures. i hope they will talk to their
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parents and grandparents after being inspired by the honorable friend about wanting to grow up in a country with opportunity. we are bound to have more if we remain in a reformed european union with 27 other countries. also it goes to a point about wizard of country want our children to grow up in. not just one of economic job opportunities, but were country is able to effect change and get this done in the world. we don't diminish ourselves, we enhance the power britain and the greatness of our country. [shouting] thank you, mr. speaker. approximately 11,000 most loyal employees with overt or a tv or service are about to get a serious pay cut. cuts to sunday pay, holiday and antisocial hours pay almeida on the back of the national living wage means they'll take home less next year than they do this
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year with some losing up to 2000 pounds. this is not just any pay cut. this is a take that marketing expenses pay cut. could the prime minister agree with his chancellor that anywhere else on the back of the national living wage is wrong and if so, will to make this possible? >> obviously we want the national living wage feeding through into people that having higher take-home pay, not lower take-home pay would urge all companies to make sure that is the case. i haven't seen the information, but they now like any retailer that they need to attract and retain and motivate what they have. it is crucial in retail particularly with competition online that they continue to do that and they won't do that if they cut people's pay. >> mr. speaker, i agree with the prime minister and europe. on the night of november last
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year, and i quote, some people seem to say britain couldn't do it for the european union. i don't think that is true. the argument is the mother they could survive. of course it could. so despite the panic driven negativity from the remaining street, the british people vote next week to become a nation again. will my right honorable friend join me and racing the optimism and opportunity and people in this momentous decision. >> i say to my honorable friend. of course britain can survive outside the e.u. no one is questioning now. the question is how are we going to create the most jobs? how will we create the most investment and opportunities for children?
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how are we going to get things done? i'm all those issues covered the arguments are on the side. thank you, mr. speaker. that i associate myself and indeed all of my party across the country with the remarkss td
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pushed low in people further into crippling debt. there is a long-term economic plan on offering which economic those people who are hard-working families not to suffer and the folks remain on thursday. >> e. and i are off and on opposing sides of arguments, but it says volumes about the breadth of the campaign to remain in a european you that we have built democrats as well as the trade unions, business and so many others coming from different areas but i'll save crucially our economy will be better off so families will be better off if we remain in. he's absolutely right when he says about interest rates. the last thing homeowners need an homebuyer state and the last thing our country needs is a hike in interest rates damaging our economy. i'm glad he supports the plan and as part of his plan remaining and a reformed european union. thank you, mr. speaker. can i congratulate my right honorable friend for delivering
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this historic referendum. unfortunately, we have hers done hysterical scaremongering during this debate and there are those in this house and in the other place to which they believed the british people decide to leave the e.u. there should be a second referendum. can he assure the house in the country do whatever the results on june 24th, his government will carry out the wishes of the british people and will remain and if the vote is to leave, then we leave. >> and they're happy to agree with my honorable friend. it means we remain in a reformed european union. out means they come out. as the late campaigners have said can out inside of the european union, out of the single market, out of the council of ministers, out of all of those things. and it means a process of delivering that which would take
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at least two years in delivering a trade deal which could take as many as seven years. i would say to anyone still in doubt and there are members in this house still again about how to vote. if you haven't made up your mind yet, if you are uncertain, when you think of the decade of uncertainty, don't risk in and remain. >> mr. speaker, the hospital accident and emergency unit is in complete meltdown. will the prime minister committee taking swift actions to tackle this crisis? >> well, i do understand it's a very busy unit. as received 13,600 patients in april alone, but it's managed to carry out 40,000 operations and 62,000 diagnostic tests every year. if we look at what has happened since 2010 there is 20 more doctors, 280 nurses recruited
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the trust. they will monitor this closely. this comes to the core argument if we remain in, we have to make sure we take the proceeds of growth and continue to put them into the nhs as i've always done. the >> mr. speaker, i'm looking forward to the british people giving many opportunities for the vindictive emergency. though my right honorable friend explained that if the government is so strapped for cash, why is it still intent on spending 50 billion pounds? >> we will be strapped for cash if you believe the institute for fiscal studies at the national institute of economic and social research both impeccably independent state there at rio: our public finances between 20 and 40 billion. you don't have to be an economic

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