Skip to main content

tv   Key Capitol Hill Hearings  CSPAN  June 28, 2016 2:00am-4:01am EDT

2:00 am
prosperity. in conclusion, the lack of leadership from over the past few days has been unprecedented. we recognize that any further threats or vacuum exacerbate uncertainty. we know the prime minister is planning to leave and we wish him well, but can we have an absolute assurance that his government will finally start to take a firm grip of the situation we all sadly find ourselves in. >> first about what i say is that our focus should be to get the very best deal for the united kingdom outside the european union and that should mean the very best deal for scotland as well. i actually agree with the despicable acts of racism that have taken place in many reassure him we will take every step that we can. yes question specifically about interest rate. that is for the monetary policy committee then they are out their views in advance of the referendum. he asked about budget and now be
2:01 am
a matter for future government. let me say this, scotland benefits from being in two separate markets, the united kingdom and the european market, in my view, the best outlook is to keep scotland in both. >> sir william cash. >> thank you mr. speaker, may first of all pay tribute to the prime minister for the dignity which he addressed the nation from ten downing street yesterday. mr. speaker will my friends take a positive and simple message to the leaders of the other 27 member states and the european council tomorrow, namely the voters of the united kingdom have demonstrated a value of that great principle, the principle of democracy for which people fought and died.
2:02 am
>> let me take my honorable friend of course when i go to the council tomorrow i'll report on the do resultant decision of the british people and no one should be in any doubt about that. i think it's important that we set off on this path of exiting from the european union. we've tried to build as much goodwill as possible on both sides. >> can i pay tribute to the prime minister following the announcement of his resignation on friday. of course we have and agreed but his commitment to historic bipartisanship during the coalition government and his energetic commitment to the remain campaign was favorable to the tribalism of others. he has my respect and my thanks. i also, i also respect the outcome of the referendum but i still feel passionately that britain's interest are better served at the heart of europe in the european union. i can accept his speech but i
2:03 am
will not give up. i have not changed my belief. with the promises of the leave campaign unraveling and no leadership being shown by the opposition, will the prime minister confirmed that the free movement of people and access to the single market are paramount to the stability of britain and will heal launch an investigation to the whereabouts >> it's not up to me to ensure attendance in the chamber. i have many responsibilities but that's not one of them. let me thank him about what he said about my leadership and how much i enjoyed being on a platform with him as a final rally as we fought together and gordon brown with the unique and unpersuasive trilogy. i have to say gordon brown gave fantastic speeches. i think he's right that the
2:04 am
decision we are going to take, and it will be for the next government about how we get the best possible access to the single target, i think that will be one of the single most important decisions that the government must take on because we must bear in mind the importance of safeguarding our economy and its jobs. i think that will be very considerate. : a britain does best when we make
2:05 am
our voice heard through these organizations and we should continue to do so. >> harriet harman. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i never thought i would see the day what i wish a tory prime minister would when a vote last thursday i did and i think the country will pay a bitter price for the fact that he got this one. leaving aside the constitutional turmoil, the damage to the economy and the uncertainty that hangs over britain's place in the world, the leaders of the brexit campaign have engendered atmosphere for some people believe it is open season now for racism. will the prime minister say very clearly that when it comes to the difficulties of getting the job -- >> with it comes a difficult of getting the job problems in nhs or housing or schools, that is the responsibility of his government to sort out, not
2:06 am
migrants from the eu or indeed anywhere else. >> and i first of all praise the right honorable lady for her decision to cross party lines and a with others on platforms to make the argument as she makes a very persuasively and it rightly should be. it. she's absolutely right we must be very clear about our commitment to tolerance, diversity and our complete intolerance of racism and hateful hate crimes we've seen in recent days. i know that is of the view of honorable members in this house whatever side of the debate they were on. that message needs to go out loud and clear. >> doctor julia louis. >> does the prime minister recall that when we held the vote in september this last year on the eu referendum bill, not a single conservative, and only one labour honorable member voted against it. so isn't it a bit late now for people to talk about blocking
2:07 am
the implementation of the result just because they disagree with it? and finally it's always good to end on a positive note. would you care to bring in the vote for the tried and successive submarine before he leaves office? [laughter] >> i think it's very clear when it comes to numbers he wants for some brains and one referendum. i think i've got the message very clearly. he makes a good point which is when the house voted, it was by a margin of six to one told the referendum. we will be coming forward with a plan for all the other decisions that can be made during the remainder of this parliamentary session. i would include the one he mentioned. >> nick clegg. >> i would like to add my thanks for service to the nation as five years of prime minister of a stable, successful coalition government at about the time for many things that he and i disagreed on but i always appreciated his good humor on
2:08 am
display here again today, and usability which is rare in politics to see politics of other people people's points of. i think all of those qualities ensure the stability that was a necessary as the country was recovering from the economic shock of 2008, and for that he should be warmly thanked. mr. speaker, i've heard a lot about democratic principles. would be agreed with me that it surely cannot be right as a matter of democratic principle that only members of the conservative party constituting 0.003% of the total electorate should be the only people who have a say to elect the new prime minister, a new government with new priorities utterly different than when he's got elected unless to court should there be an early general election? >> first of all let me thank them for his kind words. we did work together i think very successfully and i know that he paid a very large personal and political price for
2:09 am
the support he gave to that government which i do think helped deliver economic stability and make real progress in the country and i think for the. what i would say about the election that will not take place and the other point you put, first of all parties have the rules for electing leaders that are by the democratically. we have ours and will be followed. the only other point is in the coalition agreed that we agree a fixed term parliaments -- with which many of my colleagues have misgivings about her i happen to think it is a good measure that as a result i think the right thing is for new prime minister take office and will be for them to decide whether to fulfill the terms of this parliament or something else. >> my honorable friend will know the are a large number of people in my constituency who work in the service industry, particularly the financial service industry. they've seen this weekend -- they are worried about their future. may need not to access to the
2:10 am
single market. they need to be up to the very part of the single market. and so as this country as we currently have a 20 billion pounds of surplus. will my honorable friend ensure that that is given the highest priority in the national interest in our negotiations? >> my right honorable friend makes an important point. nothing changes in the uk's trading relations with europe and to actually leave the european union. so there is a period where service companies, financial services, maintain that possible and one of the most important task of the new government will be to negotiate the best possible arrangement with a single market. that will be debated endlessly in the south. there's a strong case for trying to remain in tha that single mat in some form but that would be a decision for the new government and for the parliament. >> thank you very much, mr. speaker.
2:11 am
[shouting] >> as the process of leaving european union unfolds, we will continue to face a large number of international challenges, the crisis in syria, climate change and the threat from terrorism among them, and get we risked seeing our voice in the world diminish. does the prime minister agree that into negotiations, every effort should be made to ensure that we continue to have practical cooperation with our european allies so that we can maintain the kind of influence in the world that is so important to our prosperity and our security? >> he and i agree on this issue and we spent some time on the campaign discussing it. what i would say is that it is important to use all of these forms to maximize britain's influence, and we will have to find a way under the new government to work out how to work with the european union to get the maximum effect for the
2:12 am
british start on climate change, on syria, iran how we can prevent refugees crossing, leaving libby and all the rest oof the. social all the issues for future government, but i know from all that happened in the campaign is this is not about britain withdrawing from the world or playing less of a role in the world. we will have to work out the way forward. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i would like to add my voice to tribute to the prime minister from across the south. he is a true statement was the oxfordshire proud and we will miss them. but with the prime minister take this opportunity to reassure the site innovation sector that the government will fight to protect access not just do arise in 202020 funding but also to valuable research, it also to effective and proven and retention of the brightest and best of du researchers? they are essential to our economy and deserve to know that the will be a priority in ongoing negotiations. >> i think this is one of the, i think my honorable friend for
2:13 am
kind remarks and it's been a great pleasure and privilege being her constituency neighbor. and working together i think this issue of how we maintain the british science and competitors over universities will be one of the issues this du unit will want to look at. clearly we've done very well. to look at the evidence of that and that we can continue to move forward. >> i would like them and the prime minister for the way that he handled this very, very diplomatic and kind speech he made today. i would say to ask them to continue to show the leadership of the next month or two to ensure some of the -- about what could happen to our country is actually kept under control. and could ask you also to say today and to condemn very clearly those people who are almost implying that decent people all over this country who
2:14 am
voted to leave the european union are somehow racist? >> let me say it i've been on the other side to the honorable lady in this debate but i know takes a lot of courage to stand out in the way that she has. i reflect one of my first jobs in politics was that the conservative candidates researcher, and if i'd known then that should be part of my nemesis made of would've worked even harder. [laughter] but she's right, there are many people on both sides of this debate who have very strong views about tolerance, about diversity at all the rest of it and we need to make sure that shines through in the coming days. >> thank you, mr. speaker. as the prime minister and i haven't always agreed with him on issues, but as equally knows i've always been very supportive of him personally and didn't want to make the announcement that he did last week. but having said that, does come
2:15 am
will be prime minister agree with me that when he says the country needs to come together, it is right to do so, does he accept the first part of that is that everybody has got to accept the result of the referendum, whether they like it or not? and the talk of a second referendum is for the birds? when he goes to see his european counterparts we did pass on the message that what the british because it is that that we are very happy to come to you with our 68 billion pounds trade deficit with the european union by trading with them, but in return we are not going to accept three -- free movement of people are contradicting to the european budget? >> he's outsold by we must accept the results and the cabinet has added think everybody should but what has happened out is translating that into action and choosing the correct pathway to lead the european union and the creek relationship to have with the. that's going to take a lot of complex decision-making by the new government entity has a very clear view about what that
2:16 am
should involve. it will involve lots of different decisions buddies right, the decision must be accepted. >> many of my constituents are european citizens, and they are fearful of their future. the prime minister has talked with a group of officials set up to determine what brexit will need. can he give any comfort to these people? and if not can you give a timetable for when they will no how they can apply to remain in the uk? >> i think there will be many people watching this with exactly this impression the honorable lady is as. the technically correct answer is that while we are members of the european union there is no change in the right sort of circumstances of people coming to live and work and in britain for britain's going to live and work in other european union countries. i think i would add to that the leave campaign was fairly clear they want to protect the rights of people who come to live and work and study who were already
2:17 am
here but the final verification of this and other rights abridged people living in other parts of european union will have to wait for the complex negotiations. >> can i thank prime minister for giving the british people the opportunity to vote on this issue for the first time in decades, and can i think those, giving -- on friday. i also welcome the new unit -- does the prime minister plan to publish a white paper for the next step? >> no, i don't think that will be possible. i think what will happen is that this new unit has got to get up and running and it's got to go through all of the complex issues that need to be sorted outcome was about agriculture payments or borders or situation in northern ireland, complex issues about which british laws need to be rewritten because imagine a lot of eu law and all the rest of the.
2:18 am
what i envision happening is a series of papers being worked through, being discussed by the cabinet and being prepared for the new government as it comes in. >> given the enormity of this decision and the repercussions of the negotiation process, the arrangement -- effectively saying members should go have an informal chat with the right honorable member. he's leading a dangerous political vacuum. can i urge him to look at much broader arrangements to build a wider consensus, including to set up a joint committee of both houses of parliament, look at what arrangements for all across the country in what negotiations about our future alongside the eu should be? because britain feels very divided now and all of us have a responsibility to build a new consensus for the future.
2:19 am
>> i don't disagree with a lot of what the right honorable lady esslinger parliament will want to consider select committee so want to consider how they can best produce evidence and take research and take interviews to add to this process. i see the role of the government is clear we are moving from one situation membership of the eu to leaving the eu, and we need to describe any dispassionate and mutual and objectively what all the different outcomes look like and what are the advantages and disadvantages of all the different outcomes. the trade deal like candidate, the situation like norway, that froze -- the pros and cons of being in or out of the single market to our constituents can actually see what are the disadvantages in each case but that's what the government should do the parliament house of commons complete its part, too. >> mr. speaker, may also pay to
2:20 am
become a part of a friend for the british people the chance to take this historic decision? that i also share his views that britain will continue to be engaged with the rest of the world. i have a more positive fashion. i'm very disappointed that my right honorable friend decided to stand down. i wonder i if you might not like to reconsider that decision? i think because he as a star at the dispatch box. for the morpheus demonstrated today he will rather miss it if he is not here to do it. >> i'm sure there many things i will miss, and statements that go on for at least three hours, that's one of them. [laughter] what on earth will it do to fill my time? [laughter] but the reason for my decision to resign is that the country has made it very clear decision to go in a particular direction and they really do believe it needs someone, fresh leadership,
2:21 am
a fresh pair of eyes, committees to the path into getting it right for britain. i think it does require change and that's what made the decisions i did. i will not change my mind. >> at 9:00 this morning the right honorable member for oxbridge welcomed the stabilization of the house. at lunchtime, fell to a 31 year low against the dollar. if you break it, you own it. so who owns this particular adjustment? is at the prime minister will call the referendum on the right honorable member for oxford who exploited a? >> i'll be very frank. look, the government was elected on a manifesto promise to hold a referendum. we have held a referendum. that country has made its decision and this government is responsible now for sending out the steps that we need to take and we are doing all that is necessary to stabilize the economy.
2:22 am
we took a choice to ask the people this very good question. because i believe in our democracy but when it comes to debate the decisions i i think it's right to consult the people, but this government takes responsibility. >> with dignity, the wishes of the electorate, does the prime minister except that he had announced a pivotal role to play in encouraging all sides to come together and talk the country up? optimism is required. we are a great country and we have a very bright future ahead of us. >> i certainly believe we all have a responsibility to bring the country together and to make this new pathway work as well as it does not we have to do it from a position of realism. we don't know exactly what some of the economic and other effects will be so glad to take great caution and care in the coming days in the coming weeks to respond to that as well as coming together to get the best pathway for our country to lead this organization.
2:23 am
>> friday the leader of the opposition suggested we should rush to invoke article 50 renegotiation now. i disagree. i believe it would be in the good sound order for our economy and to secure a stable transition to make sure that those, article 50 is not triggered until at least the new year. >> the triggering of article 50 is important to establish. i think what matters is that we do as much work as possible to determine the best possible model that we want to try to negotiate, that must be a matter for the new prime minister. and then he or she will make that decision to trigger article 50. >> trembling. voters in my constituency voted more than any other place to lead. it is a nice level of immigration in the country to i'm keenly aware that those migrants are my constituents, too. that does the prime minister agree with me that we owe it to
2:24 am
the will of the people that live in my constituency to deliver on the promises to reform immigration and increase spending on the nhs if we are to retain their faith in this place? >> i think what we must continue to do is to enact our manifesto promises, which was to set up an immigration impact fund and we need to set that up and establish a. hopefully on an all party basis. we should continue to deliver for the nhs as we promised on our manifesto, and we've done so. but clearly one of the key issues in this negotiation is how to try to balance the difficult decisions of access to the single market and better control of immigration, and i think i will go to the heart of what the country needs to do. >> thank you very much, mr. speaker. the prime minister and i were on different sides of this argument but when he spoke on friday he did so with his dignity, his principal and his honor intact. trundle i'm very grateful for them into getting the
2:25 am
discussions will commence this week on the comedy but can ask the prime minister to dismiss the notion that there could be a border -- to dismiss the notion that the royal institutions will veto on this process and to resolve but only with the collective will to do with our national interest -- this united kingdom? >> first of all can't i thank him for his kind remarks. i think is right is that it's important we get the issues around the common travel area right. they are complex, difficult. if northern ireland's going to be the frontier between united kingdom outside the european union and the european union. on the issue of a border poll, the rules that are set out clearly in the good friday agreement at a don't believe they have been triggered. and in terms of the decision to leave the eu and how we do it that is principally a matter for the westminster united kingdom parliament.
2:26 am
>> the prime minister patch of decency and courage that my predecessor harold macmillan would have respected her i think harold would have wept for the day this has happened come everyday the prime minister get past. will he see it's a very clear legally that article 50 is the only proper means of exiting from the european union, that any attempt to circumvent that will be wrong and will involve this country in a breach of its international negotiations which no decent leader of this country should ever contemplate? >> let me thank him for his remarks. he's right that the only legal way set out to lead the eu does by triggering article 50, and that is clearly what our partners want us to do, although not all of them believe that we have to do it immediately and that is why think we have some time to examine the right model we want to negotiate for and then pull the trigger that it is as i understand the only legal way that the job can get done.
2:27 am
>> during the campaign we had quite a lot of criticism about politicians, so can ask the prime minister about a promise made by the lead save justice? the honorable member for oxford said he wants to maintain full access to the single market. can the prime minister many country that has dual axis to the single market but which does not also have to accept free movement? >> i think the technical answer to the right honorable gentleman's question is that is in the country today that has full access to the single mark without intruding to the budget or accepting free movement of people. but i think where we should try to seek cross party agreement, whatever the eventual decision to make sure that we are as close as possible economically
2:28 am
to our friends and partners in the european union. that is going to have to be negotiated and personally my view is that the closer the better. >> thank you, mr. speaker. and somebody of polish origin, i'm very proud of the contribution that poll said they to this country not just -- >> here, here. >> not just to the battle of britain where the polish squadron was one of the largest but also in recent years. as chairman of the all party group of poland i invited the chairman of the polish cultural center to come to the house of comment to show solidarity for the appalling attack and a very much hope the prime minister will potentially join us for that meeting. >> let me commend my honorable friend for his work with the polish community here in the united kingdom and for for the relations between britain and poland. i spoke to the polish prime minister this afternoon to say how concerned it was about the
2:29 am
terror attacks and to reassure we did everything we could to protect polish citizens in our country. poland is a country that is very sad to see britain to leave the european union because we are like-minded on some issues about open markets and enterprise and the nature of the opinion but we must make sure we work for the strongest bilateral relationship between britain and poland in the years ahead. >> can i commend the prime minister on the way he is excepted the voting of united kingdom wide referendum? i think the rest of the house should accept that verdict the way he has. when it comes to implementing it, could he tell the house whether he tends to replace our commissioner and what he intends to set up a special -- while? >> first of all let me congratulate the honorable lady and the role she played in the campaign as a very key spokesman for that side of the argument. on the issue of the commissioner, let me pay tribute to johnson hills, lord hill's who were concurrently hard.
2:30 am
i'm very sad to see him cooper i think we should try to seek a replacement because the fact is we're a full member of this organization, a contributing member, a paying member and to relieve and so, therefore, we should have a commission. i'm sure that will be a challenge. as for brussels, it is ably led by sir ivan rogers and hope he will remain in place and continue to give excellent advice he's given to date. >> does the honorable lady -- is right. [inaudible] the topic of racism since we've seen since thursday. a tweak to a young black woman, go home hashtag we voted leave. try to make britain great again by getting rid of you blacks, asians and immigrants. a genie appears to be let out of the bottle.
2:31 am
i am certain that both sides of the referendum campaign, could ask my right honorable friend to specific questions? first, that the police and the proper authorities have the resources to bring cases against perpetrators of this? and secondly, to use his good offices for the leadership of both of the referendum campaigns to call out this abuse for what it is and to bring a stop to it now? >> here, here. >> my honorable friend is right. this is hideous language that we saw and it's very important and what comes out and condemns the system as possible. on a specific question, the police do a resource because we have protected -- bitterness or lost as well to prosecute hate crimes. on the issue of those campaigns as far as i'm concerned these campaigns no longer exist.
2:32 am
there is no one government with one view which is we have to find the right path for the future. i think the sooner we can do that the better. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i am proud to say publicly that he voted for britain to remain in the european union. i'm sure the prime minister would, too. but also respect and recognize that people across this house voted differently. all of us now need to help those at the sharp end of this decision. so can he tell specifically what measures his government is going to put in place for all those small businesses who are now facing a lot or a boston contracts as a result of the decision on thursday? >> the business secretary has been consulting with businesses throughout the campaign but is having a very large meeting with businesses to work or i will be doing more of that later in the week. the true position is at this, that as long as we're in this
2:33 am
organization, and to exit, all the rules about trade, about services, about financial passports, access to markets to none of those changed and what needs to happen now is formed by the work of this eu unit is we seek very possible, but very best possible deal to make sure that businesses can still benefit from access to european markets. >> the prime minister and the chancellor and the governor of the bank of england have tremendously acted swiftly to restore calm to the markets and confidence in our country and our economy. however, the prime minister knows there are many people -- had a second referendum is possible and that it could be run on different rules. what with the prime minister say to those people who are encouraging others to believe that that is a possibility? >> i think people would not be surprised to read that i'm not accepting a second referendum. look, we have to accept the results, get on and deliver it.
2:34 am
and as would his way seek the best possible deal and, obviously, this house should be involved in that process. >> the scare stories about immigration that were spoken about by people leaving the leave campaign at outright is frankly shameful. but we do have a divided country, divided country between our cities and small town britain. immigration was the number one issue. the impact of which is for although i saw to abolish some years ago, can the prime minister fisherman but in the weeks before the house -- we can look more deeply into what other questions on her small town communities, the employment sectors, some of the abuses going on with the increase in housing and rent? and can i just simply say -- chile say to the prime minister i'm somewhat surprised that the new eu unit and vital does not include the homelessness.
2:35 am
>> first of all hamas point, this new eu, they will be working with every department because every department is affected by this decision. the home office will be playing a leading role in trying to work out what the options are for leaving the eu but maintaining levels of cooperation over crime, borders, information and terrorism and all the rest of the. packages work that can be done before my successor takes office. i a great immigration was a key issue in this election. i think we have to look as a country what more we can do to help people to integrate and her country, to examine the pressures on various public services i made a series of suggestions about well for changes which that will be coming in which i am sad about but we need to find some alternatives to those to reassure people that we can have a good and fair and managed system for immigration, both from outside the eu and from inside the eu. >> thank you, mr. speaker.
2:36 am
all i would like to do t today s thank my right humble friend the prime minister or his years of service to the party of the country. and say had the result in the other way around to my side would've behaved with dignity and nobility that he has shown. spinning cat i think my honorable friend or his kind remarks and the spirit in which they were given. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the prime minister said that there is no collective government and cabinet responsibility. in that context and i asked him can he say on behalf of the members of southeast and the member for oxbridge that we will have a vote in this house before article 50 is triggered? >> first of all on a technical issue the member is not a member of the government.
2:37 am
important point. but i can't get that guarantee. the issue for triggering article 50, decision, would be for the next prime minister and the next cabinet, and the arrangement they put in place must be for them to respond. >> not responsible for the member of oxfordshire. he must be quite pleased he is not responsible for. sir peter bone. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the prime minister must take a great credit for delivering the referendum and great credit for the way he campaigned because undoubtedly the remaining vote was high because of that. and also the way his reaction afterwards. kind of ask the prime minister, we were talking just about collective responsibility, with all his ministers now be behind the prime minister in leaving the eu? and it is some talk today, sir, that the exit of the transfer will be earlier now come
2:38 am
sometime around the end of august. could he comment on that as well? >> on collective responsibility at what i said. is suspended for the good of his campaign but it is now come back into place and some members of the government, members of the e cabinet are the ones you and i want you must be that we deliver the country's will to exit the european union. although the key decisions that will be taken by the next prime minister. as for the arrangement for the leadership election, there are all sorts of bodies, 22, a body board and all the rest of it to make decisions. i am your servant as it were. i want to make sure that we have stability and continuity in government of this country and we take the necessary steps to stabilizing but i know that the right thing to do is to hand over to a new team and a new leader to take positions forwa forward. >> can i welcome the emphasis of the prime minister now put on coming back together as a community?
2:39 am
the our people now living in fear anyway the honorable member described. it is down to us to put the decency back into our democracy. but can the prime minister not understand the rage that many feel at what appeared to be miss truths coming out of the european union? such as, for example, an extra 350 billion pounds a week for the national service? cannot press the prime minister on anon the answer that he gavey right honorable friend? we're about to go into some of the most dangerous waters his country is ever into. it would be strange if in this house we carried on with arrangements as if business was just going on as usual. transparency is the best guarantee against anymore miss truths. sure this parliamentary to our parliamentary arrangement must be strengthened to provide oversight of the right arranged for leaving the european union. >> for so he's right that we need a duplicate the decency into our democracy. is right that we must stamp out
2:40 am
this hatred and intolerance but it don't believe we need to go and fight the referendum campaign all over again. where i will reflect on what he said, of course i think is a very big task for government ever parliament to set out and examine in an objective and fact-based way what are the alternative models for leaving the european union. one of the damage and disadvantages. i do think this house has a big role. whether it needs a new joint committee or the existing select committees, i'm very happy to receive advice and it is from honorable members. shortly this house should play a proper role in inform the public and make sure we get the decision right. >> mr. speaker, the prime minister is helpful to write all of us who voted on three main side must accept the results intandwhere best to influence is will as possible. can i say the manner and tone of his resignation speech in sydney today is absolutely in keeping with the unifying one nation
2:41 am
tourism with which he has done so much for. mr. speaker, in the wake of the referendum, many and people feel let down by their parents and grandparents. would my right honorable friend agree that in the weeks ahead with the current government that the government seizes opportunities to reassure young people for the opportunity and benefits which many of them see in europe will still be available for them after the process of leaving the european union? >> i think my honorable friend makes an important point. we must accept the result. this debate, though the many arguments people who want to look at for how to exit the eu and the relationship we have at the end. buwhat will it mean for young people in terms of traveling, working, studying. these are all questions. we are not talking theoretical alternatives to membership i ife are talking about the actual alternatives to membership in we
2:42 am
need a maximum amount of detail, transparency and debate so people can make their voices heard. >> i am keen to accommodate collect but there's a premium on brevity. spent i applaud the prime minister at a welcome his statement. now that withdrawal from the european union is the policy of her majesty's government has the prime minister confirmed that some of the architects of the vote leave campaign not just -- will be involved in the work of the new cabinet office unit? >> well, first of all, obviously the government and the cabinet includes many people who were prominent in both campaigns but as i said the campaigns are now over. there was one government, one government policy. they take issue with him about our civil service but. they are in partial, hard-working, the best of british. they do a very fine job and i'm sure they will help us deliver this incredibly important and difficult challenge.
2:43 am
>> whatever the final call of her exit negotiations on european union take, it is clear to everyone that we will need to strengthen operating relationships with other economies around the world. the prime minister is right to set up this eu exit unit in the cabinet office, but what steps is he taking to supercharge the business department so they can have a team of crack trade officials to start negotiating such trade agreements? >> that's exactly the sort of issue we'll be looking at but, of course, it may be the case that we have to negotiate our exit from the eu first before being able to make a lot of those arrangement. we should be doing the research, the work, afford office can help, as can the business department itself. >> can i think the prime minister, that i suffered closely the work he did during this that i'm very grateful for that. he will recognize that some of my constituents amongst the poorest in britain, in these
2:44 am
very tough economic times it is the poorest that will suffer. and does he recognize that young people, poor people and actually many middle-class people who voted to remain want a plan, not lies behind the call for a second referendum on the detail. >> as i said what i think it needs to happen is that we have to set out the options for the model of leaving. the next government will make those decision and the next government will have to confront the issues that it raises about to involve parliament in those decision. that's going to be something for the ever parliament and not for me. >> can echo many people's comments that the prime minister is been a tremendous leader for not just of this country but also for the party? if it was a friend we would not have such a diverse members of parliament behind him. but could also say that in my
2:45 am
constituency, many businesses are concerned that trade missions abroad will be put on hold? can we make sure in this, we were still in europe that those missions can continue? we must continue to work for this country. >> i thank my honorable friend for her kind remarks. i can give her the assurance that trade missions will continue. if anything they need to be stepped up. >> might i take the transfer back to the resignation of our european commissioner? given the importance of this role, might we expect they will make the replacement within days rather than months? >> i'm moving on this as fast as we can obviously the process of getting your commission appointed includes healing of the european parliament and all the rest of the. but as i say as a full bank phone number i think we are entitled to have a full commissioner. >> cannot put on record my sincere thanks to the prime minister for the sport he is given to the six and a thousand
2:46 am
men and women many of them are fantasies and graduates -- the prime minister has visited that site more often to all of his predecessors combined. such a level of dedication to have asked the prime minister some reassurance that people to work -- that this government will continue to do everything we can to secure their futures? >> i'm very grateful to my friends remarked the other continue to do everything i can to support be a system. i enjoyed watching them fly over on armed forces that on saturday, and i will continue to work as hard as a kid to make sure we secure orders abroad. >> -- [inaudible] about the consequences for brexit will have on the economy, jobs and growth. include that's a concern the whole country. given the financial sector relies on retaining rights to
2:47 am
the european market, with the government guarantee that this will be a top priority for negotiations with the eu come and does the prime minister agree with the mayor of london that london needs a seat at the table for the forthcoming negotiations with the eu? >> as i said and i said the mayor of london, the london assembly should be involved. financial services are 7% of our economy, two-thirds of the jobs are outside london. access to the single market is vital as i hope they will make their voice heard very strongly in making sure we seek the closest possible relationship economically with europe. >> economic progress must be to settle short-term uncertainty and position ourselves make the most of opportunities in the longer. whilst adjusting the referendum results on a way forward with the right honorable friend the prime minister agree with me that we should concentrate on our economy's strong fundamentals and not on our
2:48 am
economy and our country down? >> my honorable friend is right. we must talk of our strengths and they continue to be the case but we did need to be realistic in beating the challenge and difficulties that we will face. >> rachel rees. >> here, here. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the treasury select committee in its report into our membership of the european union look at the short run risk and volatility manifesting itself with short falling, the volatility of the stock exchange and with government bond yield as all time low. what actions are the government taking to protect british jobs, growth and living standards? >> the honorable lady is record the treasury committee to look at this and we've seen a lot of the volatility give seen a bank of england and treasury reaction as well as the volatility. we have to look out for the dangers of uncertainty and the
2:49 am
government stands ready to in any what it it can. part of this will be reassuring this is that all the credit relationships continue while we're in this negotiation but she tried to say though be challenges ahead spent the right honorable lady has started bombing i think we should hear hearing. bubble bobble. >> thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, while we have to accept, not accept the referendum decision, is it not the case that the problem we run is the in the course of the campaign statements have been made by those advocating vote lead which are false and sadly many case -- isn't one of the things that came out so clearly from this referendum campaign, the increasing disconnect between the public and those of us in this house who are in how they would see it, in a 40? what do we do and what should we be doing to restore that trust?
2:50 am
i have faith in a viable friend who has been impeccable in this matter and does like to pay thanks for his service to this country. but if we do not restore that trust then it seems to me that the role of the south is fatally undermined. [inaudible] [laughter] >> let me thank my right honorable friend for this kind remarks. i think he's right that one of the concerns that came through in this referendum is about people i very disaffected with politics and politicians but also expert opinion as well. and i think what we need to do is recognize we are moving from describing a situation we have today at a number of hypothetical situations to no real choice and i think is where perhaps this house and the government and all of the rest of it can come into their own. setting of the very cool neutral way what these alternatives are and what the costs and benefits are and then perhaps we can restore some of the trust.
2:51 am
>> this morning the chancellor said that action to address the impact of the referendum on our economy and public finances will not be taken until the autumn. at a time of such risk and uncertainty and continued weaknesses in our economy, i find that staggering. so will the prime minister reconsider this decision and bring forward a proper plan, particularly to secure the private and public sector investment that our economy will need to whether the incoming storm? >> what i would say is i think the chancellor was referring to the idea of there being fiscal measures that might be necessary if the economic impacts of leaving are as bad as some of the independent forecasters suggested it was the idea of some form of budget he was referring to. the government stands ready with the bank of england and others to take any necessary measures to help create the stability in
2:52 am
markets that might be necessary. >> thank you, mr. speaker. can i warmly thank my right honorable friend restated today? i've long hoped for this deficit i stood right here in first moved the motion that there should be a referendum on our membership of the european union back in october 24 in 2011. mr. speaker, can ask the right of a friend, what does he think it says about the nature of the european union that simple member countries reportedly want to push the uk simply because the majority of people have -- to vote to leave the? >> first of all let me congratulate my honorable friend on his long campaign. i would say to him that i think when you look at the reaction of the european union to these events we should be very careful not to entirely take it through the filter of media outlets that we want to see one reaction.
2:53 am
what i'm sensing from the conversations i've had with the germans, the french, the polls, the italians and others is there genuinely sad to see the united kingdom go. they genuinely want to have a good and strong relationship with us when we leave obviously they like us have to think of their own interest to us as we think of our own interest. so the fact that the 27 member states are going to be meeting without the united kingdom after the european council, yet we shouldn't see that as surprising. in fact, many of us said that would happen if we were to lead. we will fight like mad for our interest but they will fight for theirs. what we've had to do is try to convince them and try to maintain in ourselves good and open and strong relations with them so that after this becomes a dialogue leading to a mutually beneficial result rather than a war of words or something worse that then leads to a painful divorce.
2:54 am
>> prime minister's response to my right honorable friend the member for murray was quite simply awful. scotland voted overwhelming to remain within the european union 62%. we value and eu membership the what does he now said to the people of scotland who believe that we should remain within the european union quick what do we do now? >> what we do now is to make sure we get the very best outcome from this negotiation so it's good for the united kingdom and good for scotland. it is all very well in waving his finger. that is actually what matters most of the people of scotland. >> thank you very much, mr. speaker. i pictured it to my right honorable friend for his leadership over many years and thank you for the. but i also pay tribute to the german chancellor for her measure and wise words over the weekend which i believe has set
2:55 am
a good tone for the negotiations? and could ask my right honorable friend what measures are being taken to ensure that we strengthen the bilateral relations right now between us and all other 27 other members of the european union now that we would not be dealing with them through the filter of the european union in the future? >> let me thank my friend was kind remarks. obviously, one of the great roles of a foreign office going forward is to concentrate on those o i met a relations even s we conduct this very complicated and difficult negotiation. we do have embassies in every single european country. we do have strong bilateral relations. i was the first british prime minister to visit some of the -- and i will do everything i can to keep those bilateral relations, it is that will our negotiation for a future in europe. [inaudible] -- picked up a leaflet this morning in my london flat which was the official leaflet of the leave campaign which said that
2:56 am
the nhs could get an extra 350 million pounds per week as result of the vote to leave. can the prime minister tells when nhs can expect to receive that money? >> i think -- obviously, and deal we leave the european union will continue with our contributions to the european union and at that moment my successor will have to explain where the money is going. [laughter] >> thank you, mr. speaker. the city of london bought some of the best global voters anywhere in the world. can urge the prime minister can he speak to the loss of sight of scotland, a lost society of northern i'm at a loss society of england and will to make sure we get the very best british lawyers who will undertake the negotiation teams efforts because he makes an important point. to talk about this unit would love best and brightest from the
2:57 am
civil service it's also important to get the best and brightest from the private sector, the private sector, with his lawyers or financial experts or trade experts. we want all of this expertise to come forward. what is going to be massive national endeavor. >> i understand why there are produces prefaces to be questioned and i think that is appreciated in the house but that we really will be great if we could have single, short supplementary question because the prime minister is giving admirably succinct replies. >> does the prime minister think precipitating a collapse in the value of sterling, a fall in the value of our equities, the suspension training our banks amount to a person taking back control? spent i think i said to our financial consequences that we need to manage candidates in the weeks ahead. >> thank you, mr. speaker. for the to the question, does
2:58 am
the prime minister except that it was a very clear perspective so to the electorate who voted to leave which included an explicit promise to end unskilled migration from the european union this is explicit. this is what they voted for. does he believe that can be delivered the? >> i think one of the greatest challenges as this is going to be negotiating at this possible access for the single market and balancing the issue of the best management and control migration. that will be a decision for the future prime minister but it will be one of the most important that he or she and the cabinet will have to take. >> 70% of my concentric voted to remain in no small part due to the constitution that you mixed to both higher education and a large financial services sector in edinburgh. what is the prime minister doing to reassure my constituents all over this country of the uncertainty he is created by calling the referendum --
2:59 am
referendum and article 50 being introduced after the article 50 and beyond brexit? because uncertainty and they're worried about their jobs and the future. >> what i with this result with respect the outcome of the referendum. i think it's right not to trigger article 50 because that starts the process that within two years has result in an exit and a mighty and unmanaged exit if it started to sing. but to people working in fincial services gloating the 1000 that work in edinburgh, a very important part of our economy, we need to work as hard as we can and including aberdeen, and including aberdeen asset management to give them a plug as well. had to do editing we can to get the best possible access to the single market. >> in addition to the work that you of the chance to of lancashire will begin to look outward into the european union
3:00 am
and our relations with them, will he also look at the preservation of the united kingdom? >> yes. >> splendid. [inaudible] to hear of some terrible incidences recently. in fact, during the course of this debate i was a message -- were told to go home. this is your home and she is very welcome here. >> here, here. >> will be prime minister therefore agreed -- cross party mission to look at hate crimes that we can eradicate the scourge of our society? >> she's probably right in the points you make and that's what our position she mentions. i will look into it. >> one of the greatest achievements and to make the job of eliminating youth unemployment no longer an impossible dream but an
3:01 am
achievable mission. what, i agreed we must accept the outcome of this referendum. what degree whoever is his successor, he or she should ensure that the opportunities for young people at the life chances by the heart of our mission? >> i think my friend is right at one of the challenge whatever route we take through this difficult pathway of access to the single market and control of migration from one of the best ways to control migration is to increase the apprenticeships and opportunities to our own young people in her own country to fulfill the jobs that aren't economy is creating. [inaudible] -- the reluctant european access and depend what heavily on migrant workers to meet labour shortage. the scottish government is meeting with stakeholders in its attempt to steer through the struggle at times, but what is
3:02 am
the government doing to shore up confidence in these up confidence in the sector sports can the prime minister give us any indication when you will be in a position to indicate what the status of eu workers will be beyond -- >> fertile i in terms of rejectd this is in different sectors my friend of the business sector will be doing the. he's holding a large meeting tomorrow with a business. i will be doing the same player in the we. happy to look at some interest that should mention. entrance of the answer i gave on the rights of eu workers, they continue until we leave this organization. if i heard correctly what those who want us to leave have said, that the rights of those already here, students and workers, will be protected. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i, too, pay tribute to the prime minister but does he agree in negotiating the acted it is absolutely crucial that each of the nation that had came to our formerly represented? >> yes, it is important that the negotiation and the negotiation is made it is want with
3:03 am
involvement of all those, the constituent parts of the uk. >> thank you, mr. speaker. >> here, here. >> thank you, mr. speaker. can the prime minister tell us what justification the leader of the house and the secretary of state for northern ireland have given him for claiming that she would lead the european union, there would be 350 million pounds a week spent on the nhl's? >> i don't want to refine the campaign. obviously, there was a disagreement about whether this moment, we would have less money or by leaving the eu we would have more money. we can now putting to the test and the results will be clear for all to see. ..
3:04 am
in the agenda she talks about an important week. >> given that they go by many environmental protections, can you tell me what will be taken as the european union looks at the fitness of this and will we still be implementing the economy package. >> we remain full members of the eu and as members of the eu including the existing directors that we have and i think that's important but obviously those matters will be matters for a future government. in the meantime we continue
3:05 am
obeying the rules. >> there's another group of people who are hurting since the result of the referendum on thursday and that the elderly. they have been told time and time again that they let down written in the use of this country. will the prime minister confirmed that the elderly are of equal merit to those of the young people and that we value them greatly. >> of course, the key thing about a referendum is that every vote in every part of the country is heard the same. >> single questions. >> with the majority of my constituents and scotland board of the union, does the prime minister believe it will be a democratic outrage that we will now be stripped of our european citizenship. >> what i want is the best
3:06 am
possible outcome for the country and the best outcome for scotland as well. >> speaking out against racism and hatred, i voted for 16 and 17-year-old have a vote in the referendum but i also have the utmost respect for people of all ages who voted, whether there is the elderly. many served our nation in years of peril. >> congratulation on speaking out on racism. he's right to do so. >> does the government agree the terms of the negotiation, is that another time that this house should make a judgment about whether the terms of negotiation match the promises made by the leave campaign. this house should make that judgment before goes forward. >> this house is sovereign and actually under the reform of the government, this has all sorts
3:07 am
of opportunities to take onto itself an issue and vote on it. that happens much more than when i first became a member of parliament. my advice would be that the house except the will of the country. honestly the next government is going to have to bring forward its proposal on article 50. >> thank you mr. speaker. with the prime minister agree that it makes little sense for us to betray ourselves in the central market and it would be for scotland to put itself at 90% of a external market. >> i think they bring up an important point which is that we want to make sure scotland benefits from two single markets and i'm confident to keep it in one and is close to the other. >> if the prime minister can't guarantee today that there are 350 million pounds in the nhs and the other promises made, then what does that do to politics and what does it say
3:08 am
about the leader of the house and the former mayor of london? >> i don't plan to redo the campaign. the point is this, what will happen in the house is that the two sides have different arguments. one was that if the economy reduced inside there would be lower taxes and less money available. the other said they'll be more money available because work leaving the eu. as we leave the eu and time we will be able to tell which of those answers is the right one. >> what assessment have you made of the opportunities for preliminary negotiations before triggering article 50? >> the assessment i have made is that it is a sovereign decision to trigger article 50 so i think it is right for this government to prepare the ground for the next government to choose the model it thinks is the right one to pursue, to hold some
3:09 am
discussion and then trigger the article 50 process which just of the house fully understand, is a two year limit that can only be extended by unanimous vote of all 27 members and at the end of that two-year period, if you don't have an arrangement you just moved to wto's. we go by that deliberately and sensibly to get the right decision for country. >> mr. speaker, dozens of my constituents are employed in the financial sector which is the second biggest in the uk. can the prime minister give me his assurance of the uk government will work with the scottish government to make sure that my constituents jobs don't faces similar threat to all the people in the city of london where up to 70000 jobs could be at risk in the next 12 months. >> it's an important industry and our economy. the jobs in scotland, they jobs
3:10 am
in bristol are just as volatile as the jobs in london and i will keep as many of them as possible >> some have been told to get out of the country and others were told i cannot wait to send the garbage that you stand for back to the third world dump that you stand for. will the prime minister ensure that you indulge such beer you generate hate. >> i would add to that that you not only generate hate but you commit a crime and can be prosecuted. [inaudible] these fears fear referendum of a
3:11 am
punishment. [inaudible] >> let me say now what i set up the time is that nobody wants to have an extra budget or any difficult measures for taxes or spending but obviously any government has to react to the economic circumstances. let's hope the economic circumstances aren't as bad as the experts predicted. >> over the next five years the northeast is due to receive 726 million pounds in eu funding. will the prime minister give some much needed reassurance to the region currently relying on hundreds of millions of pounds of eu funding that they will still receive the same amount? >> i can't give that assurance today but we heard during the
3:12 am
campaign those who were arguing we should leave that we are to try to do everything we can to help disadvantaged areas of the country, those that need the best situation that we can i'm sure that will happen. >> there has been no mention in this debate. we been speaking for one hour 38 minutes. will the prime minister agree to speak out for our future prosperity and commit our best as he can for our place in the european economic area. >> i've spoken that indeed i have been on the platform with the honorable members who just spoke, but certainly that trio, brilliant as it was wasn't enough to convince the people of wales to remain in. it is important that we make sure the welch choices are clear and benefit from a lot of investment from companies that
3:13 am
want to come in invest in britain because we are in the single market. i would say to all those businesses to make sure their voices are heard as we work out the best plan for the future many of my constituents rely on the sector and it gave all of the logistics sector, given there's been concern about what's happening, what insurance can the prime minister give to the industry at the border will remain and will not find itself. [inaudible] >> certainly we support continuing the treaty that was established that has the border and we will do everything to persuade the french to keep their side of the bargain and continue as we are. >> thank you mr. speaker, the prime minister would urge them to move quickly to make sure this is living and working in scotland. in the highland we need eu citizens. they are essential for our
3:14 am
economy and they are friends and neighbors. they said today, i'm sorry i'm not too prepared have these beaches. i'm sorry it's a speech. what i want is a one sentence question. all the gentlemen have to do is what is asked to do. now please, one sentence. >> he said in his statement that there was a question, us there would be no immediate changes in their circumstances. shouldn't the people of scotland have a chance to decide. >> this is the decision that's going to have to be made by the new government as it negotiates our position but i was very much hope that the rights and allowances given two-year pin union citizens now working and studying contributing will continue. >> i wonder if the prime minister regrets not giving
3:15 am
16-year-olds and 17-year-olds a chance to have a say in the future. >> i've always believe 18 is the right age to have that vote and i've always followed accordingly >> thank you mr. speaker. this is a government of the sovereign elect and you have a referendum that scotland didn't want and now scotland has been taking out of the eu against their will. do you believe there has been a fundamental change from september 2014? >> what i say is that we need to focus on getting the best deal for the united kingdom, getting the best deal for scotland and it's worth looking at the daily record poles which indicate that it is not the case necessarily that scotland is looking for a second referendum. just because you don't like what you hear doesn't mean you shouldn't read it. >> mr. speaker, prime minister keeps saying that our economic fundamentals are strong.
3:16 am
our membership of the you was one of those economic fundamentals. >> can i ask you to. >> guest: the chancellor to step up and set up a plan for the brexit recession and including the north. >> i don't think what she says is entirely fair. you made a clear statement this morning but the argument i can give her is that he and i will remain in our post until a new government arrives and the action we need to take and reassurances we need to give and we will do all we can to make sure our economy continues to succeed. >> eu people living in my area are worried. he said there will no immediate change to their circumstances. >> let me try and reassure, the only reason i'm saying no
3:17 am
changes is i'm trying to accurately reflect the legal situation which is this. people who are free at the moment to come and live and work in the united kingdom, let me repeat, if if they come here and they come to support themselves, which you asked them to leave. that's important. that's been the case for some time. as long as we are members of the european union, that, that continues. the point at which we go a government will have to make a decision about what to negotiate with the rest of europe about the right of europeans to come and live and work here, whether they will be visas or work permits or what have you and then there will be consequences potentially for british citizens going to live and work in europe the house has to debate all these things. you will contribute to all these debates and conversations but i must answer accurately and the fact is that what i can say is as long as we stay in the eu, those rights are protected. i've gone further than that and set everything i've heard from those were campaigning to leave
3:18 am
his those rights will continue after. >> to the point to accept their maintaining very strong uk participation with scientific research collaboration needs to be an important strand of the work going forward. >> i very much agree with the gentleman. it's an area where we have more out of europe than we put in and we clearly want to work on the future. >> thank you mr. speaker, there were enough people in scotland to keep scotland in the eu. >> you could make the converse point which is of course the scotland had voted to leave the united kingdom it would've left the eu already. >> thank you. thank you mr. speaker. can i have some discussion
3:19 am
during the statement that were involved around the response of members of this house to the decision of last week. they suggest to him that throughout my career of 24 years in this house, i regarded my prime responsibility to the people who voted 2 - 1 for remaining in the european union. thus i would oppose any measures to come before this house which would seek to undermine that. >> are usually members of this house have to vote as they see fit by the senses but it would be wrong to disregard the will of the british people but clearly in the future this house will be confronted with all the decisions about the nature of her relationship with europe and the rules and regulations that we will live - can i ask the prime minister if mechanisms were to emerge that of yet be unseen that would allow us to
3:20 am
remain in the eu while allowing england and wales to leave would they entertain that for the scottish people to have their own self-government. >> avidly i want scotland to stay inside the united kingdom and it is the united kingdom decision to leave the eu. what we should focus on is the best deal for the united kingdom and the best deal for stalin. could there be a referendum or should there be a wreck for referendum. >> one of the most positive things that we could do in the time left him would be to ensure that this house has the opportunity to vote before the summer solstice. >> there are a number of decisions that we are going to have to look at in the light of the new circumstances with which we are faced. i will be doing that over the next coming days.
3:21 am
i want to make sure this parliament is still debating and describing important issues. is this not the biggest form policy disaster? [inaudible] if this is back for the scottish people, calls for the referendum for scotland and europe, you must see to the wishes of the scottish people and hear that referendum mac the point i would make is not could there be a second referendum, but should there be a second referendum him. i don't believe there should be. that is the point i would make it if you look at the daily record poll today, is not clear that the scottish people want a scottish referendum. they want to focus on getting the best relationship for the
3:22 am
united kingdom for europe. >> thank you mr. speaker. over the weekend i received an e-mail from my constituency saying children from ethnic minority in eu heritage background were crying and telling me they were going to have to leave. others said their parents were proud and it was great. the teacher said we reassured all the children and talked about everyone here being able to stay but that community was afraid. what guidance are they giving to teachers and head teachers? >> what i say to the honorable lady is we should be very proud of our diversity in this country and we are proud of the contribution that they make. this is not going to make us a less tolerant, less diverse nation. from whatever side of the debate that we are on.
3:23 am
[inaudible] had scotland voted to leave the united kingdom it would be an act of the european union. you don't have to have many conversations with the spanish prime minister to know how difficult it would be to get back in. mr. speaker on the regular visitor, what's happening in the north of iron and republic. i never thought i would see that border go but i be back the thought of it returning. can the prime minister tell us what discussions he's had since friday about northern ireland?
3:24 am
>> i've spoken to them and will be seeing them again tomorrow. he's taking in a constructive and helpful approach. he's of his labor he said that decided to leave the eu with relationship between britain and the republic is stronger than it's been for many, many years. all we have to do is sit down with officials in northern iron, officials in the republican workout what is the best way of conserving and keeping all the parts of the common travel area that have been so beneficial and how can we do that in a world which were not in the eu. it will be difficult but we have to find a way through. >> i don't see how this can be done through a two-year period can the prime minister confirmed that the involvement in the role of scotland. [inaudible] >> the cabinet agreed there should be great involvement with sculling, wales, northern,
3:25 am
northern ireland in drawing up an understanding, all the challenges we need to meet in this negotiation. >> the level of lives, malice, exaggerations of both campaigns degraded a level of discourse to a state where no one who believed politicians in the future. this is a threat to the whole state of politics and democracy. >> i don't actually agree with that. i think the turnout showed that people took this referendum campaign very seriously. >> this is complex negotiation prior to triggering article 50 will shed the future of britain. wouldn't it be right in a collective way for the british public to have a referendum and the fact in the in front of them, the future to be able to remain in europe if they still wished. >> we had a referendum on a very important principle question
3:26 am
about in or out. now what needs to happen is the different models of out need to be properly examined, parliament should debate them. the government should make a decision and that's what should be carried out. >> why doesn't the prime minister just commit to match the money to the whales, the north east and other areas that presently receive support from the eu. i'll do a deal with him, if he does i will make a contribution toward building a statue of him somewhere in wales. >> one certainly that my resignation set off such a chain reaction including the honorable gentlemen. it's like a leaky bucket per the more you for in, i forgot what the question was not. the money, it's the point at which written leave the european union that a future government will have to make the decision,
3:27 am
have to match the money for wales and the money for farming. that's not a commitment i can give now. i very much hope that a future government will be able to but it will depend on the economic circumstances and the decision of the time. >> can you understand the democratic existence. [inaudible] >> my constituency voted by majority to leave the european union as did but we are one united kingdom and we take this decision on the united kingdom basis. >> there are one and a half million 16 and 17 -year-olds in the uk. the referendum was won or lost by one and a half votes. do you still have no regrets about allowing them to vote.
3:28 am
>> i don't take it would be right to change my mind about an issue simply because it would've helped my side in the debate. quiet you in the back. that is why i stuck to the view i have taken all along that 18 is the right age. you very often find, there's quite strong support to keep the age of 18. >> what's the message about the concern of the impact in future years? we had the edinburgh agreement
3:29 am
and that meant they were part of the united kingdom and the united kingdom has had a vote in its union. that is how we do things. their employers are concerned about the future. what assurances can you give that the industry face outside the european union. >> the industry is a classic example of one that needs to make its voice heard and i'll make sure this happens and we get a good negotiation because at the end of two years britain were to come how the european union and without an adequate deal, we could be facing quite large tariffs around ceramic projects. at the very good argument about why we need to think this through carefully, then trigger article 50 and make sure during that process we protect the access of those in this type of market.
3:30 am
>> they describe the financial and economic reaction to the adjustment that was met with a euphemism. the threat of tens of thousands of jobs is just an adjustment. >> the reason i use adjustment is this, there are short-term financial volatility affects and we've seen that. my worry is there will be longer on term uncertainty affect. it just talking about is the people and businesses will be concerned about the access of the uk to crucial markets and it might be more fundamental adjustment. what we need to do now is to make sure. >> and asked the prime minister the future of the regeneration project and the jobs that will
3:31 am
lead to those projects. >> what i can say is the budget money is set out from 2014 - 2020. all that money, while we are members of the eu will continue to be spent. the crucial decision will be for the next government at the point of departure which could be 2017 or 2018 or 2019 or later. at that point to then give reassurances to him and his constituents about how that european money might be replaced with something else. >> if everybody could get in, the questions have to be shorter or they won't do it and then i'll be upset. very short questions please. >> how do we address the legitimate concerns that good decent working-class people have on immigration and the consequent alienation they feel about their current political leadership - immigration was a
3:32 am
key issue and i was hoping that the restrictions i had negotiated would help to address that. there's a clear response in this country that you should have something for nothing. people should pay them before they take out. clearly that wasn't enough to reassure people. also i think there has been a lot of immigration from outside the eu and people want to see the system brought under better control management and that's what needs to happen. we need to have a rational debate about it. there's a lot of common ground between the two parties about it. that's what we should get on with. [inaudible] >> honestly i set i thought our economy would be better off if we stayed. they've made a different decision and now we need to make sure we safeguard the economy and our new reality. >> have they accepted problem the uk that we have no experience negotiation in the
3:33 am
civil service. what are they now doing to train the people to be able to negotiate from trade deals? >> we will increase our capacity in that area. over the years, you gave me in my community the great order of commemorating, since that she in the european union has delivered peace and prosperity for europe. does the british government, led by this not agree with my community that they have delivered us. >> what this government has delivered for scotland is actually record growth in business growth is part of a successful economy. people of the united kingdom have decided to take a different part and we must do all we can to safeguard all the united kingdom.
3:34 am
>> you've played an active role in the remain campaign, we all no, for a huge number of people who voted to leave, immigration was the top concern. they believe this renegotiation would lead to them ending free movement. now i regret that, but does he believe that those people are now trying to airbrush that out when they inherit the situation or end in tears. >> as i said can i think one of the most difficult decisions for future government would be how to balance access to the single market and decisions about immigration. i don't know what exactly can be found. the answer i found was welfare reform which was bold and brave because it meant reducing welfare payment to newly arrived migrants. changes that won't go ahead so that extra dry will continue for the next couple years. we had to find answers to that problem. that's the problem that has that by the british people. we want access to the single
3:35 am
market and we recognize the argument but you have to do better when it comes to immigration. [inaudible] >> that's not what i was doing. scotland is an incredibly part of your our united kingdom and i believe profoundly in the importance of the scottish nation and all that it brings to our united kingdom. i'm simply making the point that when you have a uk wide decision, not everybody gets what they want. >> the minister is capable of living up to themselves when they address addressed this house, very comprehensively and attends to all of our questions, he is invited to a courtesy hearing and not being consistently heckled. >> i think them.
3:36 am
[inaudible] it was built 50 years ago when the same generation of polls in the battle of britain and the battle of the atlantic. does the minister express. [inaudible] >> i'm happy to do that. i know some of those polish centers and restaurants very well. they made a tremendous contribution to our country and we should always remember the that and i do all the time i go past the polish war memorial. you're welcome, you can stay and to these attacks are hateful. >> do you blame. >> can i asked the prime minister what specifically he will do to reassurance for young people who have the opportunity to work across the eu have been
3:37 am
taken away from them. >> what i would urge young people to do is to make their voice heard so as they go into this negotiation to leave the eu we try to get the best arrangements for people's ability to study and travel and work and all the benefits that young people want. >> we rely heavily on funding for the european union. you suggest nothing changes immediately but for research and is something that feels immediate and real. can you tell us what support you will give to people to help him through the uncertain times. >> the point he would like to add to what i said before is all contracts will be honored so if a british university has won a contract under the horizon contractor or whatever, that will continue during the life of that contract. the key decision will about post leaving on how we put in safeguards going forward. >> the prime minister has
3:38 am
rightly condemned the racism post brexit. can you commit to the certainty. [inaudible] >> i said i think we should continue with the prevent strategy. i'm happy to look at any ideas for things we can do to strengthen our attack on hate crime. >> this will be affected by this vote almost more than any other. they to work promised a continuation of all the subsidies and support. what reassurance can you give us that this will indeed. >> i can say what i've said during the campaign which is that as far as i'm concerned, i want want a living working countryside where we continue to support our farmers. that was guaranteed as part of the eu and now what's going to happen as those farm plans continue up until we leave in
3:39 am
the point of which we leave a new government will have to make a decision. certainly i will be pressing fortress continued support for agriculture because as i say our countryside is the way it is because of how it's farmed. >> citizens are unimpressed by party leaders who simply say they did their best in this campaign. when you take the opportunity at the end of this long session to say sorry for what you've done? what i would say is that i made a pledge of holding a renegotiation and a referendum and i kept that pledge and we carried through and i'm sure, all i can say that i threw everything into that campaign. i believe in what i was saying. i was actually convinced that i did everything i could to get it across. in the end, if you hold a vote like that and you lose, you have to accept the verdict of the british people in my view of
3:40 am
excepting it means you have to accept that it's time for someone else to take the leadership of this great country forward and that's what i've done what i've done. we've all got things that are lessons to be learned but i'm proud of the action that i took. >> 48% of the country woke up sick at heart and angry. now large numbers of people who voted for brexit are also waking up sick and angry when they find there was not money for the nhs and immigration. how does the prime minister hope to build unity in this country with the government they may well include people misled the public in this vote and referendum. >> we now have to come back is one government which has accepted the will of the british people to leave the european union. we have to find the best way for our country as we do that. we've had the campaign, we've
3:41 am
had the decision and now make it as best for our country as we can. >> i take this opportunity for thanking the prime minister for attending the event of a national armed forces. he pled very appreciative after the events of the previous 48 hours. could i returned to the subject by saying that although the prime minister was clearly stated this, perhaps he can reaffirm the nagging doubts. [inaudible] >> can i think the welcome he gave me. instead of hiding away after the referendum, i was there on the stage on armed forces they and there was an enormous crowd with
3:42 am
the brilliance display. what i say is a lot of people say you will never hold a referendum. you'll never have a renegotiation. all these things did happen and now it is happen is you have to pay the will of the british people. we are a democracy, that's what we do. >> i think all colleagues but in particular the 110 ventures that question the prime minister and i think the prime minister for the enormous dignity of good humor which he displayed in detail and at length to our inquiries. wednesday, we are back in the house of british comments. 7:00 a.m.ing at eastern over on c-span two. -- comingup on cpac
3:43 am
up on c-span, oral arguments in the supreme court in which they turned over the decision on robert mcdonald. then the future of nato followed by hillary clinton campaigning with senator elizabeth warren. announcer: c-span's washington journal. live every day. ruled 5-3e court against the abortion law. and coming up, washington journal correspondent sam baker talks about the decision. and the president of the discusseslity center this ruling and others. shares hisor thoughts on the issues this supreme court faces. to watch c-span washington
3:44 am
at 7:00 a.m.men this morning. join the discussion. delivers arump speech today on train and the economy and sylvania. 2:30 pmit live at eastern here on c-span. use of theng on the term "radical islam" in fighting terrorism. you can see the event live on c-span3 at 2:30 p.m. eastern. >> the hard-fought the 16 primary season is over, with the conventions to follow this summer. watch c-span as the delegates consider the nomination of the first woman ever to head a major
3:45 am
party. watch live on c-span. listen on the c-span radio up. video from our archives on c-span.org. all beginning monday on july 18. >> the supreme court unanimously overturned the bribery of robert that mcdonald, holding that the definition of an official act used to convict the governor is to prod. chief justice roberts wrote the and said it was with the broader limitations of the government's boundless limitation of the federal bribery statute. next, the hour-long argument from this april. >> we will hear an argument this
3:46 am
morning in case 15474, mcdonnell v. united states. v. united states. mr. francisco? mr. francisco: mr. chief justice, and may it please the court, the government argues that in quid pro quo bribery, "official action" encompasses anything within the range of official duties. in order to reach that conclusion, it asks that you disregard the 9-0 decision of this court. the government is wrong. in order to engage in "official action," an official must either make a government decision or urge someone else to do so. the line is between access to decision makers on the one hand and trying to influence those
3:47 am
decisions on the other. justice kennedy: and that's the sun-diamond case, the 9-0 case that you refer to. mr. francisco: yes, your honor, the sun-diamond case, the 9-0 case. and i think what sun-diamond confirms is that when an official simply refers someone to another official, an independent decision maker for an objective decision, he hasn't crossed that line into prohibited "official action." justice kennedy: i take it all parties concede that the act of the university official to undertake or not to undertake a research study would be an "official action." mr. francisco: yes, your honor. and the question is, did the governor cross the line into influencing officials to undertake that action and was the jury properly instructed? justice kennedy: can you tell me the posture of the case with reference to, under virginia law, the government the governor's authority or lack of authority to tell the university, you will engage in this research or you will not engage? mr. francisco: sure, your honor, -- justice kennedy: what is the state of the law, and do the parties agree on this point? mr. francisco: your honor, i think that the parties agree that the governor at least had a bully pulpit authority, but he had very little authority to actually direct any university
3:48 am
researcher to do anything. and here i think one of the critical -- there are two critical questions -- one, was the jury told that it even had to find that he tried to do that and here it wasn't, and, two, did he in fact do that. and we would assert that he clearly didn't. justice ginsburg: would it have made a difference if the medical faculties had agreed to the testing? mr. francisco: your honor, if they had agreed to the testing, i still don't think it would have made a difference in terms of whether governor mcdonnell tried to influence their decision on that, because he didn't. and it still wouldn't have made a difference on the jury instructions because the jury still wasn't instructed that it had to find that governor mcdonnell tried to influence a particular governmental decision, because it wasn't so instructed. justice kagan: mr. francisco, could i ask the line you're drawing between exercising influence and providing access, just to sort of test that with a hypothetical, suppose that somebody knew that there was a contractor who was going to award a very large contract to one of two or three firms that he was meeting with. and a company paid to make sure that they were on the meet list, to be one of those two or three firms, in other words, bribed -
3:49 am
mr. francisco: sure. justice kagan: an official in order to become one of those two or three firms from which that - mr. francisco: right. justice kagan: this billion-dollar contract would emerge, would that be sufficient? mr. francisco: your honor, i think that probably would be "official action" because there the only way you can even get a decision in your favor is by being one of three people on that list. so being on that list is a prerequisite to getting a decision. being denied on that list is a denial of the decision, and that's an official governmental action. here the jury wasn't instructed on any of this. they didn't have to find that governor mcdonnell tried to
3:50 am
influence anything. indeed, it would have been required to convict under these instructions if governor mcdonnell had called up a staff member and said, i'd like to you to meet with this fellow, jonnie williams. i don't really trust him. his product is a little hinky, but you're the expert. so meet with the guy and exercise your complete and unfettered judgment. justice kagan: can i -- justice alito: let me just change the hypothetical a little bit. suppose that a governor is going to make a eventually going to make a decision that will help either a or b and hurt either a or b, and the governor says, you know, i'm going to have a preliminary discussion about this with members of my staff. we're not going to come to any decision, but we're going to talk about it. and whichever of you pays the most money will be able to sit
3:51 am
in on this staff meeting. what about that? mr. francisco: sure. well, your honor,i think i'd want to know, are there facts suggesting that it really isn't just a payment to sit in on the staff meeting? it's a payment to try to influence the meeting. justice alito: just a payment to sit in. mr. francisco: to sit on the i think it would violate a whole lot of other laws, but i don't think, unless there was any kind of indicia that you were trying to influence the outcome, you would cross that line into prohibited "official action" corruption. after all, these laws are not meant to be comprehensive codes of ethical conduct, as this court said in sun-diamond. they're meant to target the worst form of ethical misconduct, the corruption of official decision making.
3:52 am
justice alito: what if it's not just sitting in? maybe i wasn't -- i should sharpen this. suppose the party is allowed to speak and present its point of view. mr. francisco: your honor, again, the more facts that you put on to suggest that it is more of an attempt to influence the decision, it's not just a meeting, i think the more likely you are to get to that "official act" -- justice sotomayor: so tell me, what do we do with the evidence in the case that the university individuals who were assessing whether or not to do these studies themselves felt pressured? there is both testimony and documents in which the pros and cons of accepting these studies was discussed. mr. francisco: right. justice sotomayor: and in the pro and con, it was, the governor really wants us to do this. the governor is pressuring us to
3:53 am
do this. we just don't think it's a good idea. they were honorable people, obviously. but the point is, what do we do with the fact that they perceived that he was trying to influence them? mr. francisco: i have two responses, your honor, a legal one and a factual one. legally, you still need to instruct the jury that it had to find that governor mcdonnell tried to actually influence a government decision. and here it wasn't instructed, so they could have completely agreed - justice sotomayor: but why? isn't this -- i thought that this crime was taking money knowing that it was being paid to influence an "official act." so aren't all of these examples of "official acts," whether they
3:54 am
aren't, irrelevant? the question is, what was his intent at the moment he took the money? and why couldn't -- mr. francisco: yeah. justice sotomayor: a jury infer at that moment that he took it with the intent to commit an "official act" the way mr. williams wanted it committed? mr. francisco: so again, your honor, two responses. even assuming that the jury could have inferred it, you still need to tell them what an "official act" is, that an "official act" is an attempt to influence a governmental decision. justice sotomayor: well -- mr. francisco: understand -- justice sotomayor: to study these dietary supplements. mr. francisco: well, to actually, you know, conduct tobacco commission-funded state studies, but you still need to tell them what that is. but i'll get directly to your question. why is it that the actual "official acts" are relevant? and that's because both the district court and the courts of appeals' opinions made clear. here in this case, the corrupt agreement turned entirely upon, as the district court case said. it hinged upon whether the five specific acts were, in fact, "official acts," because in the absence of any direct evidence of a corrupt agreement, the government's argument was that you could infer one from the pattern of actual "official acts" on the one hand and the
3:55 am
pattern of gifts and loans on the other and the temporal connection between the two. justice kennedy: and so is it your position at page 60 of the supplemental joint appendix the instructions aren't numbered, which makes it a little hard, but the judge instructs the jury that "official actions" are set forth in the five paragraphs of the indictment. and is it your position that at least some of those are not "official acts"? mr. francisco: yes, your honor, and certainly the five things that were proved in this case are not "official acts." and likewise, i don't think any of those things, as they actually came into evidence, demonstrated "official acts" because in none of them did governor mcdonnell cross that line in trying to influence the outcome of any particular decision. and just as critically, the jury was never told it had to find that. so the jury in this case, justice sotomayor, could have completely agreed with our version of the facts. it could have agreed that as we argued very vigorously that the most that governor mcdonnell did here was refer jonnie - justice sotomayor: the matter -- justice kennedy: well, this gets back somewhat to justice alito's hypothetical about arranging the meeting, and we and we can up the ante to see how close the meeting came to be an "official
3:56 am
act." but i take it that at some point your position is that a governmental that an "official act" must be the exercise of governmental power. is that your position? mr. francisco: well, your honor, it's either making a decision on an exercise of governmental power, trying to influence it, as in the birdsall case, where the defendants there were trying to persuade the grant of clemency. but if you're simply setting up a meeting so that somebody can appeal to the independent judgment of an independent decision maker and you're not trying to put your thumb on the scale of the outcome of that meeting, then that simple referral can't possibly be official action. after all, government officials refer friends and benefactors to staff members all the time in order to avoid taking official action. justice ginsburg: do you do you concede that there is sufficient evidence in this record -- let's say we accept your argument about the charge being insufficient. but this could go back, and a jury could be asked, did the governor try to influence a decision on the part of the medical faculties? mr. francisco: your honor, we don't concede there was
3:57 am
sufficient evidence. but regardless, we also argue that the jury was improperly instructed on this, which, justice sotomayor, goes to the point, i think, you were making. if the jury was improperly instructed, then you don't actually assume all of the evidence in favor of the government. the question then becomes, would a properly instructed juror have been required to convict? here, even if the jury completely agreed with us, and they very well may have, under these erroneous instructions they still would have been required to convict, because under these instructions, simply referring somebody to a meeting without trying to influence the outcome of that meeting constitutes official governmental action. justice roberts: well, suppose arranging a meeting could be official government action, if that were your job. in other words, you're not just a secretary, but your job was to manage the governor's schedule. you decided who met with him, you decided when, and that
3:58 am
that's your job. that's so anything that individual does, i suppose, would be an official act. mr. francisco: i think that's possible, chief justice. of course, in this case we don't have anything like that. we simply have referrals to meetings with other officials so that, at best, the alleged bribe payor here, jonnie williams, can try to persuade them to his cause. justice kagan: well, can i follow up on that? because what you just suggested, right, is that you could suppose that there were a scheduler for a governor or for the president or whatever, and that scheduler was selling meetings. so you would think that's part of her job? and if i just understood you correctly, that falls within the statute? mr. francisco: no, your honor. i think that would be a very close case. that would be a very close case, because at the end of the day, if you're not actually making a governmental decision or influencing the outcome of an actual governmental decision, i think you -- and, chief justice, you might actually be violating a lot of other laws, including the separate provision in section 201 that prohibits you from undertaking any act in violation of your official
3:59 am
duties in exchange for money, or 5 u.s.c. 7353, which prohibits you from taking anything from anyone whose interests could be affected by the performance or nonperformance of your duties. but i think that the line has to be, and the only line that comes out through the cases is, you're actually either making a decision on because of the government, or you're urging someone else to do so. you're trying to pushing them in a certain direction. justice breyer: it seems to me when you say "urging" now, wait. see, i can go back to a lot of different commission, the brown commission, the senate s1, the language of the statute, and i read "official action," something quite similar to the statute here, "a decision, opinion, recommendation, judgment, vote, or other conduct," perhaps other similar conduct," involving an exercise of discretion." so in this case, the official action we're talking about is giving money to a group of people in the university to conduct a study. now, the governor didn't do that. but a person who tries to influence an official action and is also in the government is also guilty. but wait. that's the indian case. mr. francisco: yes, you're correct. justice breyer: but wait. the word "influence" is too broad, because every day of the week politicians write on behalf
4:00 am
of constituents letters to different parts of the government, saying, will you please look at the case of mrs. so and so who was evicted last week? and that's so common, you can't pick that up. but then you use the word "urge." that's not exactly a legal word. and what i'm looking for is a set of words that will describe in both sides' positions what we should write as the words that describe the criminal activity involved in talking to or influencing the person who does create the official act, like give a pardon. like award a contract. like vote. etcetera. now, those are the words that i can't find, and i'd appreciate your opinion. mr. francisco: sure, your honor. and i think that the answer is that what district courts have to do is understand the general rule, which i think at some level has to be an attempt to influence, and then flesh it out in a way that's appropriate to the facts of the case. justice breyer: you want to use "attempt to influence"? my

14 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on